How bad is vaping compared to not smoking/vaping at all?

[Cynical18]

I mean as in how detrimental is it to one's health, not compared to smoking, but compared to not doing anything at all?

(I've tried smoking a cigarette or 2 before and I didn't like it, the burning paper, the way they tasted etc but I think vaping might be for me)

How bad would be...say 1ml(that's 7 cig's worth right?) a week?

 

[Lefty]

1ml a week is not realistic. While vaping is much safer alternative to smoking not doing either has got to be a better solution in the long run.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Come back in 20-50 years, if vaping is still around, then maybe we'll have the answer

 

[pulsevape]

I mean as in how detrimental is it to one's health, not compared to smoking, but compared to not doing anything at all?

(I've tried smoking a cigarette or 2 before and I didn't like it, the burning paper, the way they tasted etc but I think vaping might be for me)

How bad would be...say 1ml(that's 7 cig's worth right?) a week?

nothing belongs in your lungs except air....vaping was created as a nicotine replacment therapy and as a tool to help smokers get off an incrediblly deadly addiction.It was NOT created to be a cult,a fad, or an accessory to a hipster identity.....if you are not a smoker, it is idotic to put anything in your lungs that is not air.and that includes vapor.

 

[Whiskey]

What he said^^^^

 

[nightshard]

We don't know what the long term effects are if any, but we know smoking is a lot worst.

If you're not a smoker, don't become a smoker or a vaper.

If someone tells you that you should start smoking or vaping because it's cool, then he's a fucken retard.

 

[MercuryVaper]

nothing belongs in your lungs except air....vaping was created as a nicotine replacment therapy and as a tool to help smokers get off an incrediblly deadly addiction.It was NOT created to be a cult,a fad, or an accessory to a hipster identity.....if you are not a smoker, it is idotic to put anything in your lungs that is not air.and that includes vapor.

Glad you said this. I was biting my tongue when I saw this post....If you don't smoke consider yourself fortunate. If you don't vape, no reason to do so. Don't be a victim of peer pressure. Make your life your own.

 

[Cynical18]

Thank you. It's not peer pressure, it's something I wanted to try.. you guys are making it seem black and white, I think it's grey. If you can add more depth and fun to your life at very little risk, why not? I've seen vaping being compared to consuming caffeine which practically everyone does.

(This part edited out per rules of the forum)

 

[fozzy71]

WTF sorta depth and fun does vaping flavors add to your life?

 

[KDodds]

nothing belongs in your lungs except air....vaping was created as a nicotine replacment therapy and as a tool to help smokers get off an incrediblly deadly addiction.It was NOT created to be a cult,a fad, or an accessory to a hipster identity.....if you are not a smoker, it is idotic to put anything in your lungs that is not air.and that includes vapor.

Yep. Yep. Yep. And we were kind of just nicely coasting along until "vaping is cool" put a hair up the FDA's bunghole.

Come back in 20-50 years, if vaping is still around, then maybe we'll have the answer

This is probably the most important and honest answer to someone who wants to start vaping versus someone who wants to quit smoking.

The building next to our offices used to be occupied by an aroma/flavorings company some ten years ago. They've since moved out. BUT, the handlers, the people who worked with the aromas/flavorings on a daily basis, didn't walk around in jeans and t-shirts all day. They wore ventilation masks, eye guards, hazard suits. Our exposure using these flavorings is, of course, FAR less than someone who works with them in this fashion, but still... the potential for hazard is there. There is no proof, one way or the other. And you know what? The way health statistics are collected with regards to "tobacco products", there likely never will be an honest representation. But, I think we can all agree that NOT starting is probably healthier and definitely less risky.

Look at it this way, OP. You're asking, "how do I not die while skydiving". And experienced skydivers, some of whom have seen friends die while skydiving, are telling you the answer is simple, "don't do it."

 

[KDodds]

Thank you. It's not peer pressure, it's something I wanted to try.. you guys are making it seem black and white, I think it's grey. If you can add more depth and fun to your life at very little risk, why not? I've seen vaping being compared to consuming caffeine which practically everyone does.

You're misreading, or being mislead. Nicotine usage is comparable to caffeine in many ways, not vaping. The difference being all of the rest of the additives that exist in vapor products. Most doctors who are informed on the topic agree that nicotine isn't the issue, although it still does have risks. It's the flavorings that we really just don't know enough about yet. But we are learning more daily. It's just going to take decades for more comprehensive and closer to definitive answers.

 

[Huckleberried]

Thank you. It's not peer pressure, it's something I wanted to try.. you guys are making it seem black and white, I think it's grey. If you can add more depth and fun to your life at very little risk, why not? I've seen vaping being compared to consuming caffeine which practically everyone does.

(This part edited out per rules of the forum)

Since you're here, it would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with the rules of the forum. Last post was edited out.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/rules-of-the-forum.255/

 

[JuicyLucy]

Thank you. It's not peer pressure, it's something I wanted to try.. you guys are making it seem black and white, I think it's grey. If you can add more depth and fun to your life at very little risk, why not? I've seen vaping being compared to consuming caffeine which practically everyone does.

(This part edited out per rules of the forum)

I'm not against non-smokers becoming vapers - simply because of reasons you stated on your first post: non-smokers become smokers every single day of the year. If you are a non-smoker interested in nicotine, then by all means please take up vaping and not smoking.

Vapers should embrace everyone who wants to become a vaper - even if they are non-smokers. What? We should wait to help them vape after they become addicted to tobacco?

I would encourage you not to take up smoking or vaping - simply because vaping isn't risk free and the fact is no one yet knows the long-term health consequences - good or bad. So it is a risk.

It's best not to do either, but if you are going to, vape instead.

Welcome to the community - whether you vape or not

 

[Huckleberried]

Good points, Lucy.

To the OP, for myself, and most of the people on this forum, we vape because we wanted to quit smoking. For depth and fun just hit me kinda strangely.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Good points, Lucy.

To the OP, for myself, and most of the people on this forum, we vape because we wanted to quit smoking. For depth and fun just hit me kinda strangely.

I used to be firmly in the "don't do it if you don't smoke" column - until it was pointed out to me the sorry truth that new smokers are created everyday.

That kind of addiction I wouldn't wish on anyone.

With the FDA attempting to make vaping as we know it much more difficult while cigarettes and the like continue to be readily available, I think it's more important than ever to steer potential smokers towards vaping instead.

I would never help someone become a smoker, but will help people become vapers, whether they smoke or not.

 

[pulsevape]

I think the OP made it clear...

"I mean as in how detrimental is it to one's health, not compared to smoking, but compared to not doing anything at all?"

but,compared to not doing anything at all......that is what we are talking about...doing nothing at all. vaping is not what your lungs are designed to do.

 

[Huckleberried]

Also a good point, Pulse. My initial reaction, was thinking it was "one of those" threads. Still on the fence...

That kind of addiction I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Oh hell no. That right there. But, vaping sure did make it easier than anything ever, more success than anything else, and my habits are just not the same as with a cigarette.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I think the OP made it clear...

"I mean as in how detrimental is it to one's health, not compared to smoking, but compared to not doing anything at all?"

but,compared to not doing anything at all......that is what we are talking about...doing nothing at all. vaping is not what your lungs are designed to do.

I agree that not vaping and not smoking are best.

Op also stated:

(I've tried smoking a cigarette or 2 before and I didn't like it, the burning paper, the way they tasted etc but I think vaping might be for me)

I doubt very many of us former smokers enjoyed our first few cigarettes. I didn't and still managed to pick up a terrible habit I couldn't kick for 37 years.

As experienced vapers, I think we owe it to potential smokers to help them vape instead if they ask for help.

 

[Cynical18]

I would never help someone become a smoker, but will help people become vapers, whether they smoke or not.

I absolutely loathe cigarettes so I'd never do 'em, and I agree.

To the OP, for myself, and most of the people on this forum, we vape because we wanted to quit smoking. For depth and fun just hit me kinda strangely.

How's that strange? Why does one start smoking/drinking/any bad habit in the first place? besides peer pressure? Fun.

I guess based no one knows how risky it'll be, but studies so far that I've read are promising. If you can, correct me if I'm wrong-

Apparently cigarettes have 750 times more diacetyl than e-cigs. To get the amount of diacetyl that 1 normal cigarette would give me, I'd have to smoke 750 e-cigarettes, right? I've smoked 1 cigarette before, so in its place I could've done 750 of its vaping equivalents? So the diacetyl/popcorn lungs scares seems like a political motive. The additives are apparently fit for ingestion not inhalation so I suppose that is a legitimate concern. As far as you know, what are the harms of e-cigs or vapes?(No I'm not too lazy to look it up, it's just been confusing)

 

[Cynical18]

I doubt very many of us former smokers enjoyed our first few cigarettes. I didn't and still managed to pick up a terrible habit I couldn't kick for 37 years.

How? So peer pressure?
That burning paper, the smell and feeling of whatever else was burning made me never want to smoke again. I didn't even feel any rush. It's either occasional vaping or nothing at all for me.

 

[Cynical18]

Also if people smoke cigarettes and live to tell the tale of smoking for even 10+ years, and e-cigarettes are 95% less harmful... I mean, it'll cut short my 2000 year lifespan?

 

[JuicyLucy]

JuicyLucy said: ↑
I doubt very many of us former smokers enjoyed our first few cigarettes. I didn't and still managed to pick up a terrible habit I couldn't kick for 37 years.
How? So peer pressure?

Almost all the adults and teenagers in my family smoked and to me it was a rite of passage to adulthood. No different than shaving, getting a drivers license, first date, etc.

To me, smoking meant adulthood and I took it up as soon as I could.

 

[Huckleberried]

How's that strange? Why does one start smoking/drinking/any bad habit in the first place? besides peer pressure? Fun.

No, I didn't have my first cigarette for fun, or peer pressure. I was alone and curious, my mom was a smoker. Then that feeling hit me, I didn't consider it fun, I considered it a "need" at that point. I was hooked. That's why I started smoking. Much like how someone becomes an alcoholic, they don't know what feeling they're chasing until they find the vehicle for that feeling.

And also strange, because we've all seen enough posts here that make us somewhat leery because of the delicate state that vaping is currently in, namely due to the FDA. Call it paranoia, call it whatever you like, but we don't know that everyone here is actually a vaper, or even interested. So, yeah, some of us post cautiously.

for even 10+ years,

I smoked for 30 years, some here, even way longer than that.

 

[KDodds]

I absolutely loathe cigarettes so I'd never do 'em, and I agree.



How's that strange? Why does one start smoking/drinking/any bad habit in the first place? besides peer pressure? Fun.

I guess based no one knows how risky it'll be, but studies so far that I've read are promising. If you can, correct me if I'm wrong-

Apparently cigarettes have 750 times more diacetyl than e-cigs. To get the amount of diacetyl that 1 normal cigarette would give me, I'd have to smoke 750 e-cigarettes, right? I've smoked 1 cigarette before, so in its place I could've done 750 of its vaping equivalents? So the diacetyl/popcorn lungs scares seems like a political motive. The additives are apparently fit for ingestion not inhalation so I suppose that is a legitimate concern. As far as you know, what are the harms of e-cigs or vapes?(No I'm not too lazy to look it up, it's just been confusing)

To be fair to your research, you are not proposing moving from smoking to vaping, so comparing the two is irrelevant. It's kind of like saying, "well, I don't want to murder, so is first degree assault ok?" Maybe not that drastic, but it's relative to the next statement. If you're interested in comparing one state to another, you really should be comparing not vaping to vaping. How much diacetyl are you inhaling without vaping? And with? So you're not looking at harm reduction and reduced risk, you're looking at potential increased harm and risk. This may or may not go hand in hand with other risks and/or benefits, we just don't know.
Any one of us who are former smokers can tell you the same thing, we feel healthier, most of our doctors agree that we are healthier. But that's anecdotal and has no bearing on statements that can be made empirically. Be that as it may, we, the, I think, largest part of the vaping community are not qualified, on any level, to tell you what harms you can expect. We have absolutely no frame of reference to make statements of that kind because we didn't move from inhaling air to vaping, we moved in the opposite direction from inhaling smoke to vaping. So getting even an anecdotal response to your query is going to be nigh on impossible. And statements you can get are far more likely to be biased.

 

[otto85]

Not sure if your trolling or actually serious. Here's my thoughts, you tried smoking a cig or 2 didn't like it, so now ur thinking about vaping in order to add some depth and fun to your life? Ok so here's the thing weither you want to admit it your looking into this as something "fun & cool" yo do with your life!!!! You where dropped as a kid wherent you? There is so much more you can do to add depth and fun to your life like getting out there and finding new hobbies something to help you achieve the sense of being kewl that your obviously aching for


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[otto85]

And before I catch flak for my post here's my reasons
1. Op mentions having smoked 1 or 2 cigs, and does not mention any other nicotine intake such as dip.
2. Op doesn't mention anything such as " looking for something to help cut cravings to help improve diabetes".
3. Op states that he/she is looking into vaping to add depth and fun to life.
All this added up to, the op does not use nicotine and is not looking to help a medical condition and is looking to look or feel "cool". We are under attack by the fda and their main argument is that "kids are choosing to vape because it looks cool, if that is true I put a lot of "IF" in there, who is giving the appearance of "ohhh that's cool" to kids? People like the op here.



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[Cynical18]

Not sure if your trolling or actually serious. Here's my thoughts, you tried smoking a cig or 2 didn't like it, so now ur thinking about vaping in order to add some depth and fun to your life? Ok so here's the thing weither you want to admit it your looking into this as something "fun & cool" yo do with your life!!!! You where dropped as a kid wherent you? There is so much more you can do to add depth and fun to your life like getting out there and finding new hobbies something to help you achieve the sense of being kewl that your obviously aching for


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What a cringe.
It's not "being kewl", it's curiosity and the potential to have some fun. And that fun comes with a risk so I'm wondering HOW MUCH risk.

 

[JuicyLucy]

What a cringe.
It's not "being kewl", it's curiosity and the potential to have some fun. And that fun comes with a risk so I'm wondering HOW MUCH risk.

Like others stated, that risk is unknown

The Royal College of Physicians estimates it is 95% less harmful than actual tobacco.

Note, they estimate, not conclude conclusively.

 

[otto85]

What a cringe.
It's not "being kewl", it's curiosity and the potential to have some fun. And that fun comes with a risk so I'm wondering HOW MUCH risk.

You want fun don't pick up a habit and get out in the world bud that's my point


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[Cynical18]

How much diacetyl are you inhaling without vaping? And with? So you're not looking at harm reduction and reduced risk, you're looking at potential increased harm and risk. This may or may not go hand in hand with other risks and/or benefits, we just don't know.

I risk getting run over by a car to go buy a packet of cheetos too, it's just not something I worry about.

Any one of us who are former smokers can tell you the same thing, we feel healthier, most of our doctors agree that we are healthier. But that's anecdotal and has no bearing on statements that can be made empirically. Be that as it may, we, the, I think, largest part of the vaping community are not qualified, on any level, to tell you what harms you can expect. We have absolutely no frame of reference to make statements of that kind because we didn't move from inhaling air to vaping, we moved in the opposite direction from inhaling smoke to vaping. So getting even an anecdotal response to your query is going to be nigh on impossible. And statements you can get are far more likely to be biased.

I see. I'm back at square 0 then.

 

[Jimi D]

I'll probably die faster eating American food, and breathing pollutants. Vape on muthafucka !

 

[Time]

LOL.

Horses, motorcycles, skydiving, swimming, driving, and literally thousands of things people do is enjoyable despite the risk. They are all dangerous.

Vaping is enjoyable. Nicotine is good stuff. Vapes are delicious.

Vaping is more dangerous than not vaping. Vaping is also more enjoyable than not vaping, or we wouldn't do it.

If a person wants to vape, non smoker or not, enjoys it and knows there is risk then that's just fine.

@Cynical18 You'll have to forgive the old fuddy duddies. They are afraid that if you vape(in general terms, non smoker) that the government will take away their vape. They have not come to the realization that the government does not care about you or them. The government cares about it's income. And it should be obvious by now as the regulation is already here.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I'll probably die faster eating American food, and breathing pollutants. Vape on muthafucka !

hahahha, that's what I should have said from the beginning, lol

 

[Huckleberried]

<<<< old fuddy duddy

 

[The Cromwell]

I mean as in how detrimental is it to one's health, not compared to smoking, but compared to not doing anything at all?

(I've tried smoking a cigarette or 2 before and I didn't like it, the burning paper, the way they tasted etc but I think vaping might be for me)

How bad would be...say 1ml(that's 7 cig's worth right?) a week?

Why do you feel the need to do either?
It is better not to do either.
No one yet knows any risks involved with long or even medium term vapig.
It dose so far appear to be far safer than smoking but not totally safe.

 

[Cynical18]

Why do you feel the need to do either?
It is better not to do either.
No one yet knows any risks involved with long or even medium term vapig.
It dose so far appear to be far safer than smoking but not totally safe.

Why do you feel the need to go for a drive, have a drink(even coke or coffee), eat pizza...

I got that, it's safer than smoking but not safer than doing nothing. I'm wondering how detrimental it is, if not in pure facts or research then an estimate(example "nicotine is about as bad as caffeine") but I guess word's not out on that stuff.

 

[The Cromwell]

Why do you feel the need to go for a drive, have a drink(even coke or coffee), eat pizza...

I got that, it's safer than smoking but not safer than doing nothing. I'm wondering how detrimental it is, if not in pure facts or research then an estimate(example "nicotine is about as bad as caffeine") but I guess word's not out on that stuff.

No one knows what the long term effects of inhaling the PG/VG/flavorings/sweeteners, etc are.
Other than being addicting Nicotine may be the safest ingredient?
Time will tell.
That said as I vape on. But less bad for me than the 30+ years of smoking was.

Also if you are in the USA It may not be a good time to start vaping as it may be virtually gone in a couple of years.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Why do you feel the need to go for a drive, have a drink(even coke or coffee), eat pizza...

I got that, it's safer than smoking but not safer than doing nothing. I'm wondering how detrimental it is, if not in pure facts or research then an estimate(example "nicotine is about as bad as caffeine") but I guess word's not out on that stuff.

Vaping has not been out long enough to prove or disprove any long-term health claims, good or bad.

 

[The Cromwell]

I go for a drive to get some where. I drink and eat to keep from dying.
Often my drive involves getting things to eat or drink.

 

[Cynical18]

Also if you are in the USA It may not be a good time to start vaping as it may be virtually gone in a couple of years.

I'm not. And yeah, that's f*cked up but probably true.

 

[KDodds]

I risk getting run over by a car to go buy a packet of cheetos too, it's just not something I worry about.


I see. I'm back at square 0 then.

If you're not concerned about the risk, and you're frustrated about their being no answers, why did you even ask the question? I'm serious, I'm not baiting here. But, to be honest, it does appear that you are. Baiting that is. Someone else mentioned that as a concern, and it definitely is a legitimate concern. I don't know if you are or not, but it does appear, at least somewhat, that you are fishing for a response that will lead to, "Aha! Gotcha!" I seriously don't think that will happen here because folks are very open an honest, unlike big tobacco, big pharma, and, of course the FDA and government as a whole.

 

[celticluvr]

I absolutely loathe cigarettes so I'd never do 'em, and I agree.



How's that strange? Why does one start smoking/drinking/any bad habit in the first place? besides peer pressure? Fun.

I guess based no one knows how risky it'll be, but studies so far that I've read are promising. If you can, correct me if I'm wrong-

Apparently cigarettes have 750 times more diacetyl than e-cigs. To get the amount of diacetyl that 1 normal cigarette would give me, I'd have to smoke 750 e-cigarettes, right? I've smoked 1 cigarette before, so in its place I could've done 750 of its vaping equivalents? So the diacetyl/popcorn lungs scares seems like a political motive. The additives are apparently fit for ingestion not inhalation so I suppose that is a legitimate concern. As far as you know, what are the harms of e-cigs or vapes?(No I'm not too lazy to look it up, it's just been confusing)

Seriously one of the only ways you get popcorn lung is if you go to a popcorn factory and stick your head into the powdered buttery stuff and take a few deep inhales... Just saying.

 

[celticluvr]

LOL.

Horses, motorcycles, skydiving, swimming, driving, and literally thousands of things people do is enjoyable despite the risk. They are all dangerous.

Vaping is enjoyable. Nicotine is good stuff. Vapes are delicious.

Vaping is more dangerous than not vaping. Vaping is also more enjoyable than not vaping, or we wouldn't do it.

If a person wants to vape, non smoker or not, enjoys it and knows there is risk then that's just fine.

@Cynical18 You'll have to forgive the old fuddy duddies. They are afraid that if you vape(in general terms, non smoker) that the government will take away their vape. They have not come to the realization that the government does not care about you or them. The government cares about it's income. And it should be obvious by now as the regulation is already here.

Thank you for saying this

I agree with you.

 

[Cynical18]

If you're not concerned about the risk, and you're frustrated about their being no answers, why did you even ask the question? I'm serious, I'm not baiting here. But, to be honest, it does appear that you are. Baiting that is. Someone else mentioned that as a concern, and it definitely is a legitimate concern. I don't know if you are or not, but it does appear, at least somewhat, that you are fishing for a response that will lead to, "Aha! Gotcha!" I seriously don't think that will happen here because folks are very open an honest, unlike big tobacco, big pharma, and, of course the FDA and government as a whole.

I have no idea what "baiting" in his context is. I asked because I thought people on a vaping forum would know more about the risks in detail than a dude who watched a few YouTube videos and read some blogs on it. I was wrong. Thanks to everyone who answered, close this thread now.

 

[Huckleberried]

Sorry, we can't close 'em. Only in the trading areas are we allowed to do so.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I have no idea what "baiting" in his context is.

We sometimes get knew members on here who post questions like yours who are not really looking for an answer, they are looking for an argument.

From what I've seen, you are a genuine person looking for legitimate answers. Unfortunately, the answers you seek do not yet exist.

 

[Time]

I have no idea what "baiting" in his context is. I asked because I thought people on a vaping forum would know more about the risks in detail than a dude who watched a few YouTube videos and read some blogs on it. I was wrong. Thanks to everyone who answered, close this thread now.

Nobody knows. I thought that was fairly clear from the first few posts.

I'm sure you can find someone to say it will kill you and someone that will say it will have zero effect, if you keep asking. But, nobody really knows.

 

[Whiskey]

We sometimes get knew members on here who post questions like yours who are not really looking for an answer, they are looking for an argument.

From what I've seen, you are a genuine person looking for legitimate answers. Unfortunately, the answers you seek do not yet exist.

Very well put

 

[SnapDragon NY]

Why do you feel the need to go for a drive, have a drink(even coke or coffee), eat pizza...

I got that, it's safer than smoking but not safer than doing nothing. I'm wondering how detrimental it is, if not in pure facts or research then an estimate(example "nicotine is about as bad as caffeine") but I guess word's not out on that stuff.

There are many many many great articles on vaping , safety and health -pro and con- Maybe do some of your own research on the topic. Google is your friend!
Many people here have given you as honest of an answer that they can on vaping and long term effects, no one really knows that answer yet. Part of being an adult are making choices that are good for YOU, your decision! I started vaping to be able to quit my 30+ year smoking habit! Was vaping a magic bullet- no, but ecigs along with my determination to quit cigarettes(will power) I have not had a cigarette in almost 2 years and am vaping at 3nic.
We as adults make the decision, is vaping better than smoking?To me yes, articles I have read online suggest 95% better than cigarettes! To others of my friends they think I am trading one bad habit for another, quitting cold turkey is the way to go!
If you are not vaping or smoking then don't start- good luck on your decision!

 

[SnapDragon NY]

I have no idea what "baiting" in his context is. I asked because I thought people on a vaping forum would know more about the risks in detail than a dude who watched a few YouTube videos and read some blogs on it. I was wrong. Thanks to everyone who answered, close this thread now.

Why would you think vapers on a forum would know more, I am not a scientists! We read many articles and make an informed decision for ourselves. I took up vaping for a completely different reason than you- I vape to quit a 30+ year smoking habit- not for some hobby because it looks like fun. Vaping is 95% safer than smoking- but 100% safer is not doing it at all!
To close this thread because you are not getting the answers you want? People have taken the time to try to answer you and maybe this thread would help someone else who has the same questions as you!
Do your own research and make up your own mind whether vaping is Safe?
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2016...arettes-Study/4861471635809/?spt=su&or=btn_fb