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KarmicRage

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If youve actually been sucessful with aliens then you would know to set up your cores the same way. After all it is a 3 core build right? "Tieing" to the center wire is one of your problems.

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There's no "if" I've been successful with alien wire as the pic below shows. Yeah it's a 3 core build and even though it was only secured to the middle wire at the swivel it came out alright. No snapped wires like I have been getting with triple staggered fused clapton at least. I'll be trying the method of securing the 2 outer wires at the swivel and seeing how I get on.
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Dustyjeans

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There's no "if" I've been successful with alien wire as the pic below shows. Yeah it's a 3 core build and even though it was only secured to the middle wire at the swivel it came out alright. No snapped wires like I have been getting with triple staggered fused clapton at least. I'll be trying the method of securing the 2 outer wires at the swivel and seeing how I get on.
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Ok cool good luck!

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Took your advice @whiteowl84 and put some quad 316L aliens on my mech at .08 and it vapes much better thanks! Still getting the hang of trying to figure out what works between coil ramp up (too much wire I guess) and resistance for power. Made my first all ribbon staple(staggerton) today for one of my regulated mods. Also getting a new phone next week with a much better camera. 16x .3R A1, 40gN80. BigassStaplestag.jpg
 

Jriley

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Took your advice @whiteowl84 and put some quad 316L aliens on my mech at .08 and it vapes much better thanks! Still getting the hang of trying to figure out what works between coil ramp up (too much wire I guess) and resistance for power. Made my first all ribbon staple(staggerton) today for one of my regulated mods. Also getting a new phone next week with a much better camera. 16x .3R A1, 40gN80. View attachment 86771
Fucking nice th3t
 

Brad Mitchell

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There's no "if" I've been successful with alien wire as the pic below shows. Yeah it's a 3 core build and even though it was only secured to the middle wire at the swivel it came out alright. No snapped wires like I have been getting with triple staggered fused clapton at least. I'll be trying the method of securing the 2 outer wires at the swivel and seeing how I get on.
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What I did and I'm no expert was clip 3 wires straighten them out. Secured each wire to the swivel. Followed the three cores keeping them flat with my fingers and clipped even. Then secured to drill and used a key ring to keep flat moving it every inch.
 

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Nothing crazy..maybe my 3rd or 4th build to date. I tried something new and did 10 wraps of 24gauge kanthal around a 3.0mm bit..ohming out at a 0.47 vaping at 52 watts..my favourite so far it's SMOOTH AF. Nice balance of clouds n flavour :) IMG_20170713_152618_836.jpg
 

Dustyjeans

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Took your advice @whiteowl84 and put some quad 316L aliens on my mech at .08 and it vapes much better thanks! Still getting the hang of trying to figure out what works between coil ramp up (too much wire I guess) and resistance for power. Made my first all ribbon staple(staggerton) today for one of my regulated mods. Also getting a new phone next week with a much better camera. 16x .3R A1, 40gN80. View attachment 86771
Looks great brutha! What does it clock in at?

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whiteowl84

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Took your advice @whiteowl84 and put some quad 316L aliens on my mech at .08 and it vapes much better thanks! Still getting the hang of trying to figure out what works between coil ramp up (too much wire I guess) and resistance for power. Made my first all ribbon staple(staggerton) today for one of my regulated mods. Also getting a new phone next week with a much better camera. 16x .3R A1, 40gN80. View attachment 86771

Glad to hear it. For a faster ramp use 38g or higher. Nice Staggs btw.
5x 28g n80 is what raymo likes in his.
I got the DPRO in today so I'll need to make some quads to go in it after I take pictures of it. It's actually a pretty impressive looking flavor RDA with loads of room for builds.
 
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whiteowl84

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Well I think you're wrong white owl. You obviously didn't read my post properly because I made no mention of spacing being bad, my spacing comes out perfect every time. It's the wrapping part I have trouble with. Further to that, it's only triple core staggered and up I'm having problems with. So not everything needs "revamping", try and be helpful rather than just sniping.
Carambdra I have watched that video a few times. I use the techniques but wrapping at the speed he does just makes a mess for me. It was, however, due to that video that I was able to start doing standard staggered fused claptons so I agree it's worth the watch.

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You know, this was going to be the part where I make a build and take pictures of the process and then write several paragraphs with a broken digitizer just for you like I've done for so many others here. I'll make aliens for customers instead.



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KarmicRage

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You know, this was going to be the part where I make a build and take pictures of the process and then write several paragraphs with a broken digitizer just for you like I've done for so many others here. I'll make aliens for customers instead.



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It's alright, someone has already furnished me with the relevant information that resulted in a clean build, without any attitude I might add. No skin off my nose. Maybe I would of got there quicker if you would have asked questions about how I build rather than speculating that everything is off about my building. Like because I'm a newbie here I mustn't have a jar of glue. Hopefully those buying the coils off you don't have to watch you blow your own trumpet before getting them.

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whiteowl84

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Questions? I don't need to know how you build to make you a tutorial.
It's pretty sad if you think I had an attitude for saying your prep was off. Did you want me to say you were doing a great job?
You know how many people I've told here that their prep was wrong that didn't get butt hurt about it? Probably everyone at one time or another. And look...now everyone preaches the float.

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KarmicRage

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Questions? I don't need to know how you build to make you a tutorial.
It's pretty sad if you think I had an attitude for saying your prep was off. Did you want me to say you were doing a great job?
You know how many people I've told here that their prep was wrong that didn't get butt hurt about it? Probably everyone at one time or another. And look...now everyone preaches the float.

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I'm not butt hurt about you coming over giving me your two cents. You do have an attitude because you were too eager to tell me everything was wrong about my building while knowing nothing about my technique. You haven't watched me build so you don't know everything's off. Even now in your statement you have attitude. I don't need telling I'm doing a great job, thanks. Pointers are helpful but you can't give specific pointers without asking questions. Of which there were none of in your first reply. So yeah, try and tell me you were giving constructive criticism, the posts speak for themselves.

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BKTOAD

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I'm not butt hurt about you coming over giving me your two cents. You do have an attitude because you were too eager to tell me everything was wrong about my building while knowing nothing about my technique. You haven't watched me build so you don't know everything's off. Even now in your statement you have attitude. I don't need telling I'm doing a great job, thanks. Pointers are helpful but you can't give specific pointers without asking questions. Of which there were none of in your first reply. So yeah, try and tell me you were giving constructive criticism, the posts speak for themselves.

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VU is not a "safe-space"

The truth is spoken here.

@whiteowl84 has helped dozens of builders here. Every time he told me I was doing something wrong, I was. And, rather than taking offense like a child, I took heed. His methods will not only help you with your current build, but help with the next more advanced builds.

The dude can build circles around 99% of builders.

Do you think maybe he has some advice to give? Like how you should stretch your alien decore less, since it is overstretched. Or does constructive criticism upset you?

Welcome to VU. Get a helmet.
 
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Eggen

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decided I wanted 2 of those staggered fused claptons. I agree that @whiteowl84 is an amazing builder and judging by prevous posts he meant no offense, he is by far one of the top builders on this forrum and could teach most anyone a thing or two. as hard as it is sometimes, we have to put our ego aside and re think the methods that worked for previous builds. as far as you can get building on your own for a year I can guarentee that you will get twice as far in the same time if you take the advice you find in this thread. the way I was raised is all criticism is constructive, it just depends on how you look at it. there are some amazing builders here and you cant post here and not expect a great builder to give their input if you say that you are having problems. Thats what makes this place so awesome.
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Dustyjeans

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Glad to hear it. For a faster ramp use 38g or higher. Nice Staggs btw.
5x 28g n80 is what raymo likes in his.
I got the DPRO in today so I'll need to make some quads to go in it after I take pictures of it. It's actually a pretty impressive looking flavor RDA with loads of room for builds.
I just checked out that dpro. Very cool setting for builds. How wide are the postless holes? Big enough for wide stags?

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Dustyjeans

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I'm not butt hurt about you coming over giving me your two cents. You do have an attitude because you were too eager to tell me everything was wrong about my building while knowing nothing about my technique. You haven't watched me build so you don't know everything's off. Even now in your statement you have attitude. I don't need telling I'm doing a great job, thanks. Pointers are helpful but you can't give specific pointers without asking questions. Of which there were none of in your first reply. So yeah, try and tell me you were giving constructive criticism, the posts speak for themselves.

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KR you said you have alot of build experience like over a year and you have most "wires" down to a T. Touting your own sucess and then asking questions about basic building processes doesnt add up to me. Good luck getting help in the future.

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Brad Mitchell

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I'm not butt hurt about you coming over giving me your two cents. You do have an attitude because you were too eager to tell me everything was wrong about my building while knowing nothing about my technique. You haven't watched me build so you don't know everything's off. Even now in your statement you have attitude. I don't need telling I'm doing a great job, thanks. Pointers are helpful but you can't give specific pointers without asking questions. Of which there were none of in your first reply. So yeah, try and tell me you were giving constructive criticism, the posts speak for themselves.

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He is a dick and was being short BUT what he said was true and I pointed out to you how what he said was true. Your build prep was way off. You shouldn't be snapping wires when building fused Clapton or aliens. In another thread he was a dick about regulated mods but as it turns out he was right though a little more explanation is helpful and I found it. Point is I wasn't butt hurt and I am backing him up now.
 

Brad Mitchell

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decided I wanted 2 of those staggered fused claptons. I agree that @whiteowl84 is an amazing builder and judging by prevous posts he meant no offense, he is by far one of the top builders on this forrum and could teach most anyone a thing or two. as hard as it is sometimes, we have to put our ego aside and re think the methods that worked for previous builds. as far as you can get building on your own for a year I can guarentee that you will get twice as far in the same time if you take the advice you find in this thread. the way I was raised is all criticism is constructive, it just depends on how you look at it. there are some amazing builders here and you cant post here and not expect a great builder to give their input if you say that you are having problems. Thats what makes this place so awesome.
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I would like to add for new builders not to be afraid to post people know it's hard at first. Y'all should see some of the great builders first coils. And as a new builder there wouldn't be any criticism only pointers or the good job keep at it. But as stated if asked for help ir opinions criticism will be offered to help better you.
 

Iliketurtles

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The first step to becoming an expert is knowing nothing. It's where everyone starts and everybody here has always respected that. There is great advice on all kinds of things in this thread.

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Dustyjeans

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The first step to becoming an expert is knowing nothing. It's where everyone starts and everybody here has always respected that. There is great advice on all kinds of things in this thread.

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Rite! You don't know how little you know until you know it. Lol

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KarmicRage

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Too many of ya have taken offense at me standing my ground, not to the advice, of which none was expressed in the first message, but to how he came across. Gakudzu you were quite warm in your welcome and I appreciated that also brad with your advice on something I hadn't heard about and until this point hadn't needed if I'm honest. It worked btw and thank you for that. BKTOAD I haven't got a problem with constructive criticism, already stated that. I used Brad's advice, since he was the first to give it and explain it to me. Worked a charm again. Only reason I took exception to whiteowl is because he offered no help at all. It was just a dig of a post and as a newcomer it's hard enough coming into what is already a click of people. There's better ways to go about it. Don't need a helmet or yours and dusty jeans attitude thanks.
I hope that deals with everyone who took exception but for those unaffected, don't worry, I'll get round to pissing you off at some point I'm sure. Thank you to gakudzu and Brad for being the actually helpful ones.

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SignMan

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I didn't mean I used sliders with this build. I've used them for alien wire and fused claptons before. The way I managed to get the wire parallel on the triple core was to just tie the middle wire to the swivel and tie the other 2 wires to that. Seemed to work alright I just twisted the parallel wire together at the end. What is this "floating the middle wire" though? It's not a term I've come across with the videos I've watched.

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Welcome to the forum man! Have you looked into a jewelers vice? Its very helpful keeping the cores flat in the beginning but down the strand it gets more tricky. Also, have you tried using less pressure when fusing? That was my problem for a while. I wanted everything nice and tight but I was holding the spool too tight during the fuse and it would triangle my cores every single time. Now I focus on fusing with the least amount of pressure possible.
 

SignMan

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Took your advice @whiteowl84 and put some quad 316L aliens on my mech at .08 and it vapes much better thanks! Still getting the hang of trying to figure out what works between coil ramp up (too much wire I guess) and resistance for power. Made my first all ribbon staple(staggerton) today for one of my regulated mods. Also getting a new phone next week with a much better camera. 16x .3R A1, 40gN80. View attachment 86771
Dude you NEED a new camera so we can really see the beauty that you made! Thats impressive as hell brother even if the pic is a little hard to see. The camera isn't giving you justice. Do you have a macro lens yet for your phone?
 

KarmicRage

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Welcome to the forum man! Have you looked into a jewelers vice? Its very helpful keeping the cores flat in the beginning but down the strand it gets more tricky. Also, have you tried using less pressure when fusing? That was my problem for a while. I wanted everything nice and tight but I was holding the spool too tight during the fuse and it would triangle my cores every single time. Now I focus on fusing with the least amount of pressure possible.
Thank you signman, much appreciated. I can't say I've thought about buying a jewellers vice, I do have a jewellers hammer on its way to me atm. I have tried a few things to keep the wires parallel. Originally it would just triangle up as you've said,that's what gave me the idea about twisting it at the end because the wire just looked a beast to me, kind of like a fractal. The advice about floating the middle wire helped tremendously at keeping the wires flatter, if I found it was starting to bunch together I would just flatten it out with some ceramic tweezers and continue as normal. I think it turned out pretty nice when I finished but it took longer than I would have liked. Practice makes perfect though so hopefully it will just get easier.
Thanks for the advice man.
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SignMan

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Thank you signman, much appreciated. I can't say I've thought about buying a jewellers vice, I do have a jewellers hammer on its way to me atm. I have tried a few things to keep the wires parallel. Originally it would just triangle up as you've said,that's what gave me the idea about twisting it at the end because the wire just looked a beast to me, kind of like a fractal. The advice about floating the middle wire helped tremendously at keeping the wires flatter, if I found it was starting to bunch together I would just flatten it out with some ceramic tweezers and continue as normal. I think it turned out pretty nice when I finished but it took longer than I would have liked. Practice makes perfect though so hopefully it will just get easier.
Thanks for the advice man.
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Hell yea thats great! One little piece of advice and you nailed it! Floating the wire helped me out tremendously....especially with ribbon.
 

Cormic

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Well at least you can be relatively certain it won't get harder :) while a hand vise is on my wish list for sure, I found dropping to a higher gauge wire made controlling the tension a lot easier. Though I still struggle with holding my wrap spool to tight. Particularly when I start to concentrate (my fingers tighten reflexively). I feel like I'm almost ready to try some 40~40+ gauge and N80. It's really weird, my goal was to make some simple coils that work good for me, which I did. And now all the sudden wrapping patterns will pop into my head out of no where and I feel compelled to keep building my skill. Anyway welcome.
 

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Well at least you can be relatively certain it won't get harder :) while a hand vise is on my wish list for sure, I found dropping to a higher gauge wire made controlling the tension a lot easier. Though I still struggle with holding my wrap spool to tight. Particularly when I start to concentrate (my fingers tighten reflexively). I feel like I'm almost ready to try some 40~40+ gauge and N80. It's really weird, my goal was to make some simple coils that work good for me, which I did. And now all the sudden wrapping patterns will pop into my head out of no where and I feel compelled to keep building my skill. Anyway welcome.
Thanks for the welcome. I have used thicker gauges of wire and agree it does make things easier. I'm not confident enough to use such small gauges yet, although it is appealing to me to try miniature versions of some of the more complex coils. Have you tried the method of strapping a screwdriver to your finger and only using your thumb for tension? I found that worked quite well for me when wrapping coils but instead I use an Allen key so the spool doesn't fall off if I'm not paying attention to the angle of my wrapping hand. I know what you mean about things just popping into your head you just want to try. I didn't intend to ever get an rda when I first started vaping, now it's become more of a hobby than an alternative to smoking haha. I do quite enjoy making my own juice as well and experimenting there but maybe that's a conversation for another thread, I'm not sure :)

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Down to a single light now so pictures arent as great as they could be...bare with me.

Some Stagg Variants:

Double Frame Stagg:
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Basic Staggerton:
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Beetle Build:
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whiteowl84

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Here's one goofy build I tossed in the DPRO. Seems like an awesome atty so far. Domed cap, goon tips, and a postless deck with the holes cut in right direction. I never use RDAs but this is one I'll probably use around the house for smaller 14ply and under builds.
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This is the offset staggerton. It didn't turn out like I'd hoped and I knew it was heading that direction as I put the first fuse on the second layer but I figured I'd truck on and see what it looked like.
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Here's my revised SSFC method.
Make a 20" stick of spaced clapton, glue the ends and middle then cut it all apart so you have 2 10" frames.
Get your 8" stack of ribbon ready by wrapping 3 times on each end with 40g then lay it flat on the table.
Bring your frames to either side and center it between them so there's an equal amount of frame sticking out on both ends. Glue the stack and ribbon together, bind lightly in the gaps if you need to hold the ribbon in place. Usually I don't use sliders or bonding on SSFCs but I grabbed this ribbon from two failed builds so I had to make sure it wouldn't fuck around.
Now just bind both ends of the frame together, put one in the drill, hook one in the swivel. When you get close to the binding just hook a clothespin to it then keep fusing. As the drill turns the binding will unwrap and fall off.
The binding is alot easier on SSFCs than the sliders but they aren't as good imo.
 

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Here's one goofy build I tossed in the DPRO. Seems like an awesome atty so far. Domed cap, goon tips, and a postless deck with the holes cut in right direction. I never use RDAs but this is one I'll probably use around the house for smaller 14ply and under builds.
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This is the offset staggerton. It didn't turn out like I'd hoped and I knew it was heading that direction as I put the first fuse on the second layer but I figured I'd truck on and see what it looked like.
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Here's my revised SSFC method.
Make a 20" stick of spaced clapton, glue the ends and middle then cut it all apart so you have 2 10" frames.
Get your 8" stack of ribbon ready by wrapping 3 times on each end with 40g then lay it flat on the table.
Bring your frames to either side and center it between them so there's an equal amount of frame sticking out on both ends. Glue the stack and ribbon together, bind lightly in the gaps if you need to hold the ribbon in place. Usually I don't use sliders or bonding on SSFCs but I grabbed this ribbon from two failed builds so I had to make sure it wouldn't fuck around.
Now just bind both ends of the frame together, put one in the drill, hook one in the swivel. When you get close to the binding just hook a clothespin to it then keep fusing. As the drill turns the binding will unwrap and fall off.
The binding is alot easier on SSFCs than the sliders but they aren't as good imo.
Instead of bindings and a clothespin, you can just use a keyring:
Code:
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I also found that wrapping the ribbon stack around the swivel tool in such a way that you can still detach/re-attach it helps because then you can relieve the tension from it the moment you see it wanting to force itself outside of the frames. To facilitate this trick I use another keyring that acts as the link between the swivel tool and the ribbon stack so it's easier to detach/re-attach the ribbon stack when needed. When I first tried this my spaced clapton frames were just a single long fused clapton folded around this same keyring. It worked, but one of the hardest parts for me was to line up the frames so I didn't have to keep zigzagging the lead wire while fusing everything together. But anyway it was my first coil build I ever did, so still very glad it worked:

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On a normal SSFC? You don't need a keyring to hold ribbon in place. The frames should be doing that. This one had binding because the stack was cut from 2 different builds. Basically it just wouldn't stack.
There's alot of reasons I can't use key rings.
Firstly a paperclip is enough to make it wobble really badly so I'd have to go really slow to make the keyring work. I'd probably have to fuse in low gear. Secondly I refuse to put anything on there that can mess up the spacing. I'd probably have to totally stop to remove the keyring then reposition it somewhere else several times and it would only squeeze the build flat, it wouldn't do anything to keep my stack from separating.
Thirdly when you're adding 2 or 3 individually fused layers to something, the keyring would just sit on the clapton because it's taller than what you're adding... Especially if you're adding 0.3mm to a 0.4mm stagg core.
If I'm building aliens, staggertons or SSFCs from scratch I don't do half the prep I did in this tutorial thing.
I don't glue the ribbon in and I don't even bind the stack or anything but the ends. I just use permanent sliders on both ends.
Usually I just stack ribbon, lay it on the table then sit the frames around it. Pick it up, ribbon slider, ribbon slider, swivel, drill, fuse. 2 minutes later it's done.
Usually in tutorials I'll include every possible way of easily keeping the build together because for whatever reason it takes practice to get the prep to do the work for you. I'd wrather someone trying to build something not have to waste anything because they couldn't get it to stay together because I never told them to bind or add sliders (stuff I thought was a given but the other guy just didn't know).

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Carambrda

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On a normal SSFC? You don't need a keyring to hold ribbon in place. The frames should be doing that. This one had binding because the stack was cut from 2 different builds. Basically it just wouldn't stack.
There's alot of reasons I can't use key rings.
Firstly a paperclip is enough to make it wobble really badly so I'd have to go really slow to make the keyring work. I'd probably have to fuse in low gear. Secondly I refuse to put anything on there that can mess up the spacing. I'd probably have to totally stop to remove the keyring then reposition it somewhere else several times and it would only squeeze the build flat, it wouldn't do anything to keep my stack from separating.
Thirdly when you're adding 2 or 3 individually fused layers to something, the keyring would just sit on the clapton because it's taller than what you're adding... Especially if you're adding 0.3mm to a 0.4mm stagg core.
If I'm building aliens, staggertons or SSFCs from scratch I don't do half the prep I did in this tutorial thing.
I don't glue the ribbon in and I don't even bind the stack or anything but the ends. I just use permanent sliders on both ends.
Usually I just stack ribbon, lay it on the table then sit the frames around it. Pick it up, ribbon slider, ribbon slider, swivel, drill, fuse. 2 minutes later it's done.
Usually in tutorials I'll include every possible way of easily keeping the build together because for whatever reason it takes practice to get the prep to do the work for you. I'd wrather someone trying to build something not have to waste anything because they couldn't get it to stay together because I never told them to bind or add sliders (stuff I thought was a given but the other guy just didn't know).

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Thanks for your advice. You can see for yourself in the video I linked the keyring doesn't make it wobble in any way, but that's only because the keyring is positioned so it's nice and center making it spin around its own center of gravity. Else, yes it would be swinging everything around just like a skipping cord, but I wrapped some masking tape around my keyring to keep it from wanting to slide off of the frames, and, to keep the keyring from messing up the spacing, I used some more masking tape to act like a cushion between the keyring and the frames. Without the keyring for some reason my ribbon stack just wanted to keep moving away from the frames. Next time I do this type of build I'll remember to give your method a try.
 

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Here's one goofy build I tossed in the DPRO. Seems like an awesome atty so far. Domed cap, goon tips, and a postless deck with the holes cut in right direction. I never use RDAs but this is one I'll probably use around the house for smaller 14ply and under builds.
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This is the offset staggerton. It didn't turn out like I'd hoped and I knew it was heading that direction as I put the first fuse on the second layer but I figured I'd truck on and see what it looked like.
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Here's my revised SSFC method.
Make a 20" stick of spaced clapton, glue the ends and middle then cut it all apart so you have 2 10" frames.
Get your 8" stack of ribbon ready by wrapping 3 times on each end with 40g then lay it flat on the table.
Bring your frames to either side and center it between them so there's an equal amount of frame sticking out on both ends. Glue the stack and ribbon together, bind lightly in the gaps if you need to hold the ribbon in place. Usually I don't use sliders or bonding on SSFCs but I grabbed this ribbon from two failed builds so I had to make sure it wouldn't fuck around.
Now just bind both ends of the frame together, put one in the drill, hook one in the swivel. When you get close to the binding just hook a clothespin to it then keep fusing. As the drill turns the binding will unwrap and fall off.
The binding is alot easier on SSFCs than the sliders but they aren't as good imo.
Looking good. I have to order that dpro. Cant believe someone finally made a postless that has holes oriented the right way. Great idea using the clothespin to remove the wire binding as you fuse!

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Dustyjeans

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Whiteowl. Did you mix KA1 & Ni80 in your ribbon stack?! Are the 4 unoxidized ribbons (still silver) the ka1?

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Whiteowl. Did you mix KA1 & Ni80 in your ribbon stack?! Are the 4 unoxidized ribbons (still silver) the ka1?

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Hey whiteowl i just spotted something else you did! In the 6th pic i zoomed in to see you took the binding wire for the stack and wrapped it around each side of the frames! Frickin great idea. Does that let you pull lightly on the stack to get the ribbon perfect before binding the other end? That one trick may make me a floating convert. Im gonna try it!

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The ribbon came from some failed builds. I didn't know what was in it till I colored it. All I did know was it wouldn't stack and the binding is how I fix stuff like that. Or if I need a new layer of ribbon to conform to a twisted core? Start at the closed and and force the ribbon around that twist and bind it in place. Works every time.
The ribbon is SS/A1. The color isn't from oxygen, SS changes internally as well because of the chromium. A1, KD, n80 and any metal that colors it the same way. The oxide layer isn't visible to the eye and it's what keeps aluminum and SS from rusting.

As for the stack. This one had fucked up ends where it was cut with tin snips from other builds. I stacked it and bound it on the ends to keep the misshapen ribbon from prying it apart. Then I only had the gaps in the stack to worry about. Bind it too over the frames.
Everything is laid out on the table then glued together on the ends. After that everything will tighten in the drill when the frames are pulled. The binding was keeping the ribbon from coming apart because it was all curved different.
On SSFCs I'm gluing both ends at once while it's tight and parallel with no tension so it'll all work when it's pulled.
Staggs are floated with the ribbons loop still in tact and the new layers bending around it so I'm working to get it straight and bound from the loop end to the drill end so any extra length in the new ribbon or frame had to work it's way to the drille end before being glued. Gluing is the last step for that reason.


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Dustyjeans

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Got these today all Kanthal .95 ohms/pair
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You bought another set of mondo heaters for the modfather?! Hehe you run the biggest coils of anyone i know! It looks like you may have a tough time setting them up and getting hot spots out. The decore they used was a little big. See the gap where the alien wrap goes around the frame? Not trying to be hyper critical just something to watch for when your setting them up.

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If you hold your tounge slightly to the left and bite it with your right upper canine tooth, use your left hand to cover your left eye, and make sure you hold the spool with your toes you'll nail it every time!
Rofl!!!

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If you hold your tounge slightly to the left and bite it with your right upper canine tooth, use your left hand to cover your left eye, and make sure you hold the spool with your toes you'll nail it every time!
thanks @SignMan i was going to post that tip, but you beat me to it...but i would like to add, that sometimes i only half cover my eye and hold my breath...
 

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