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Zohmbiebuilds

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What is cheapest drill that will work good. I've heard about a 20 dollar drill at Walmart but the tough brand doesn't seem like the cordless comes with a Chuck. I know there's a Chuck, but it doesn't come to a point on the outside, it looks like it's inside the drill.

If you can't post a link could someone pm me.. I have outgrown any hand made coil. I like hive and quad twisted but not having a drill Is killing me.

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When it comes to buying tools I never buy a cheap POS because over the years I find they break at the most inopportune times. Spend a little more on something decent and the life you get out of it will pay for itself.
 

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This one's $30 https://www.walmart.com/ip/BLACK-DE...75035&wl11=online&wl12=23903700&wl13=&veh=sem
The one that's $20 is just open all the way so you can't see it. I honestly don't think it's missing. Here's my drill fully open.
The $30 one I posted has a better battery anyways imo.
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I take that back, looking at the pics I don't think the chuck sticks out good enough for making coils. Can't see it at all inn this pic
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I own the corded one and also the small cordless one from walmart. The chuck on the. Cordless one is great and its a nice little drill that sits flush and is easy to control. The corded DOES have a chuck with a recessed tip. The chuck isn't very good for clamping wires but it is usable. I use a chucky in it and it works great like that. Its responsive to foot pedal controls and spins way faster than the cordless.

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Zohmbiebuilds

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Ok I'm going to get it as soon as I've got enough for wire as well. I want to be able to get the drill and go to town. Make up for lost time spent twisting hive wire lol. I love my hive wire but simply put the coils I got from you fudgeyfinger have completed spoiled me. I am pretty good with my hands and know I can prep I learn very well and easy by watching. I can't wait. I am super excited.

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I own the corded one and also the small cordless one from walmart. The chuck on the. Cordless one is great and its a nice little drill that sits flush and is easy to control. The corded DOES have a chuck with a recessed tip. The chuck isn't very good for clamping wires but it is usable. I use a chucky in it and it works great like that. Its responsive to foot pedal controls and spins way faster than the cordless.

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You have the one pictured??

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I believe that's the one, though it's hard to tell from the picture. When I was in the store there were 2 little cordless ones. The one that I have the battery pack sits on a table and it makes your drill sit perpendicular to the table. The other one that looks similar would sit at an angle and it has a chuck that would suck for holding cores. The angle that it sits at would be hell to spin wires with.

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I think it might be a month before I can get all this together, I need a good set of flush cuts too. I have waited this long, what's another month. Lol

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Get a decent Variable Speed high speed drill, that is the most important. I also highly recommend a keyless chuck.

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I also highly recommend a keyless chuck.

I am not sure if they make a Keyed Chuck anymore except for real Heavy Duty Commercial applications. Used to hate the keyless when they first came out!
 

Zohmbiebuilds

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My buddy just gave me an old old rigid electrical corded drill. It does have a key Chuck. If it don't work that's ok. It was free. My buddy works on houses. It's not big, but it's heavy. I think a heavier drill would be better for stability. It's variable speed to.

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If the chuck is a pain to use then clamp a key ring or something in the jaws of the chuck. Then instead of clamping your cores in you can just twist the ends around the key ring. I hope that makes sense.

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For drills with large diameter chucks you use a mandrel

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You might but I don't. If someone is really strapped for cash and just trying to throw together a drill set up, a key ring will be easy to find I stead of spending $5 on a mandrel.

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I am not sure if they make a Keyed Chuck anymore except for real Heavy Duty Commercial applications. Used to hate the keyless when they first came out!
They're still around, especially with the cheaper drills

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You might but I don't. If someone is really strapped for cash and just trying to throw together a drill set up, a key ring will be easy to find I stead of spending $5 on a mandrel.

How do you keep a key ring centered in a chuck?
 

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How do you keep a key ring centered in a chuck?
Open the chuck a good amount. Then when you tighten it down use some pliers and it will bend it inside the chuck between 2 of the jaws. It's not perfect but if you have unusable jaws it's better than nothing. I tried it with my corded drill before I got my chucky. It takes some adjusting to get it straight but once you get it placed you don't have to mess with it.

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Open the chuck a good amount. Then when you tighten it down use some pliers and it will bend it inside the chuck between 2 of the jaws. It's not perfect but if you have unusable jaws it's better than nothing. I tried it with my corded drill before I got my chucky. It takes some adjusting to get it straight but once you get it placed you don't have to mess with it.

Easier to double up or triple up a strand of wire, Will stay more centered but my suggestion will work for the untrained more easily.
 

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I make a lot of coils. I mean, a LOT of coils. I use 2 drills, and they're both very cheap. The Drillmaster series from Harbor Freight. The cordless I use primarily for straightening wire, and the corded I use for everything else. The keyless chucks will grip onto pretty much any gauge wire that you need them to. There's no need to spend extra $$$ for a drill that will work in wood for hours on end. You're spinning wire.



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the only cordless drill I've used making coils is my pos work drill my boss skimped out on. This puppy works just fine 28+ years old and still running. The cord fell off so 5min of soldering and taping and good as new. Use what's available to you. Youre not using it all day at a construction site so anything you get will last longer than the professionals will say...it's like a guest bed. If you're comparing options higher rpm's are always better but from my experience having a good trigger mech with a smooth ease from low to high rpms is more important. I have a one speed corded drill I've had to resort to a few times, and although I pulled it off, doing more complicated builds where finesse is key is frustrating at best with a drill you don't have a lot of control over.


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I use a Bobby pin now, guess that's a little easier to get in there.

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On this topic of keeping your wider coils flat.... I've never tried any of these techniques...I might in the future. I've always wrapped a semi thin gauge like 36 a couple dozen times around the end going in the chuck, tight enough for the wires to no have any play, but not too tight so as to draw all the wires together. Use pliers to compress the wire flat and then throw that fucker in the chuck. I usually bend my wire at a 90 degree(no motown). I don't bend them down at a 90 but rather to the side if that makes any sense....so if you were to set the wire down it would lay flat with the bend and all. This will allow you to secure the ankle you bent between two teeth in the chuck while still allowing the "claptoned" portion of the wire you made to be centered in the drill. For wider builds you may need to put the bulk of the wire between the same two teeth as your ankle.
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I've found while fusing 3 or more cores(especially when you get closer to the middle) the wires will want to come together and not lay flat. I've tried using paper clips and sliding them as I go. It kinda works. I know it takes a wee bit longer I've found the wrap itself and the correct tension while wrapping is the best "paper clip. Go slower if you need to and gently compress the wraps and flatten the wire with the inner portion of your pliers.


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Zohmbiebuilds

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I got me a drill on the way super cheap. Thing is, can I use an old one like yours with a keyed Chuck and no variable speed???????????

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I got me a drill on the way super cheap. Thing is, can I use an old one like yours with a keyed Chuck and no variable speed???????????

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No Variable Speed?

You're going to have major issues

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No Variable Speed?

You're going to have major issues

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I don't believe he will but I could be wrong. I've found I have more control without variable speed but just by squeezing the trigger very gradually. Every time I've used variable speed it's either off or on at the speed I set it, but the non-variable speed ones seem to be more responsive to how hard you pull the trigger.

Like I said though I could be wrong as I'm only speaking from my experience with 5 or so drills.

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I don't believe he will but I could be wrong. I've found I have more control without variable speed but just by squeezing the trigger very gradually. Every time I've used variable speed it's either off or on at the speed I set it, but the non-variable speed ones seem to be more responsive to how hard you pull the trigger.

Like I said though I could be wrong as I'm only speaking from my experience with 5 or so drills.

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Must have had some really shitty variable speed drills then

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Yeah even that $20 HF Drill Dr cordless works better than you describe.

Actually, the HF one works just as well for spinning wire as my ridgid gen5x. Quieter too.

I do like the fuel gage on the battery packs of the Ridgid though and 2100rpm is nice.

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I got me a drill on the way super cheap. Thing is, can I use an old one like yours with a keyed Chuck and no variable speed???????????

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Yes but...it’s a pain in the ass. If I’m not mistaken variable speed is simply the ability to increase or decrease the rpm based on the pressure applied to the trigger. I have a shitty drill without this feature. I’ve had to resort to using it on occasion and it’s a royal pain in the ass depending on the build. Something like single core or dual core fused Clapton’s...no problem. Anything more complicated I’d rather hand wrap than have a high rpm you can’t regulate via trigger finger. But with persistence you’ll figure it out.


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I don't believe he will but I could be wrong. I've found I have more control without variable speed but just by squeezing the trigger very gradually. Every time I've used variable speed it's either off or on at the speed I set it, but the non-variable speed ones seem to be more responsive to how hard you pull the trigger.

Like I said though I could be wrong as I'm only speaking from my experience with 5 or so drills.

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I think the inherit definition of variable speed is that the trigger pressure determines the speed of the drill. What you're talking about sounds like you had a trigger lock on which makes it go full speed no matter what
 

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What's up with this Craftsman drill? Will I be able to get a wire centered with it...? All the way closed, it has a big gap in the middle
 

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That should work so long as your cores line up.

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Yeah. I just have to be extra careful and bend little legs for every strand, I can't just twist them then stick them in the middle like Ohm Boy Josh does in his fused clapton tutorial
 

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Every day Im going to practice, good willing, I've picked this as my hobby to help keep me kinda sane through my addiction. It's helped. I owe it to the hobby.

I couldn't believe how much better I got within less that 24hrs. I fused Clapton before I even Claptoned wire... Lol. I threw a Clapton together geez that's easy.
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Zohmbiebuilds

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Brother I have both a coil jig, and I also have a UD wrapper... For getting my cores to lay flat the coiling jig like the coil master, or kuro coiler is an invaluable tool. I don't use the winder part, the handle on the tool itself gives you the leverage you need to make life a little easier.

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What's up with this Craftsman drill? Will I be able to get a wire centered with it...? All the way closed, it has a big gap in the middle

Many drills have a gap in the middle. I've not come across a drill that didn't, but then again I've never worked with industrial-level tools. You can get the wire to remain centered by bending one end at a 90-degree angle. That's how I keep all my dual-core (and sometimes tri-core) coils nicely centered. Of course, you'll also have to use a couple extra inches of wire to compensate for the bend.
 

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Many drills have a gap in the middle. I've not come across a drill that didn't, but then again I've never worked with industrial-level tools. You can get the wire to remain centered by bending one end at a 90-degree angle. That's how I keep all my dual-core (and sometimes tri-core) coils nicely centered. Of course, you'll also have to use a couple extra inches of wire to compensate for the bend.

The gap on mine seems much bigger than others, and so without a swivel stand, my wire will flop even if I insert it perfectly centered. Not a big deal for just claptoning but I will need to get swivels set up to do my next planned builds, and hopefully a drill with an easier to press trigger so my thumb doesn't get so worn out.
 

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The gap on mine seems much bigger than others, and so without a swivel stand, my wire will flop even if I insert it perfectly centered. Not a big deal for just claptoning but I will need to get swivels set up to do my next planned builds, and hopefully a drill with an easier to press trigger so my thumb doesn't get so worn out.
Can you throw a bobby pin in that gap?

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What is cheapest drill that will work good. I've heard about a 20 dollar drill at Walmart but the tough brand doesn't seem like the cordless comes with a Chuck. I know there's a Chuck, but it doesn't come to a point on the outside, it looks like it's inside the drill.

If you can't post a link could someone pm me.. I have outgrown any hand made coil. I like hive and quad twisted but not having a drill Is killing me.

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I use a Black & Decker LBXR20 myself. Not as good as your DeWalts or your Craftsmans, but still very reliable in my experience, and cheap too compared to the DeWalts. I got it at Walmart for $30 I believe it was with tax and everything. I can make quite a few coils off a full charge.

You're going to need an adjustable speed drill though. It's kind of a pain in the ass not having the option of variable speed because you can't go slow on them. They'll only spin quick, and God help you if you fuck up a wrap on a clapton, which I have done a hundred times while learning. Not that it'll taste nasty or anything, but it's going to underperform compared to a clean clapton.
 
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Zohmbiebuilds

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I use a Black & Decker LBXR20 myself. Not as good as your DeWalts or your Craftsmans, but still very reliable in my experience, and cheap too compared to the DeWalts. I got it at Walmart for $30 I believe it was with tax and everything. I can make quite a few coils off a full charge.

You're going to need an adjustable speed drill though. It's kind of a pain in the ass not having the option of variable speed because you can't go slow on them. They'll only spin quick, and God help you if you fuck up a wrap on a clapton, which I have done a hundred times while learning. Not that it'll taste nasty or anything, but it's going to underperform compared to a clean clapton.
I got my drill. I've now got quite a few successfull build, even before the drill. I am a bit of an undercover nerd. I felt that the black n Decker they had for 90, I got it on sale. Its not a rechargable, but it's vs, great Chuck, and it goes super slow, and fast. I don't know how to explain it other than the throw of the button seems very fair and not too touchy.

Fused Claptons changed the vape game for me. They were everything pre built crap coils weren't. I'm thankful to all those crappy coils. They were cool at first, now, unless I can make it, I won't vape it. I loved the Staples my dude gave me, so that's next that, or I'll never vape Staples again.

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What's up with this Craftsman drill? Will I be able to get a wire centered with it...? All the way closed, it has a big gap in the middle
Mines a 3/8 Chuck I think yours is just the one above 3/8s. No biggie tho. Your doing so good. I'm proud of how your coming along in coiling.

I finally can free hand alien wrap

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