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I bet most new builders have the attitude that they can figure it all out; I still have that attitude sometimes when people give me advice I didn't ask for. I realized last night that I can be a little overbearing with advice - I don't mean to be, it's just that I get so excited when something new I try works well, I want to spread the gospel and get frustrated when others don't "see the light" - but it's their build, so to each his own!

I do also suspect, though, that staying stuck in the "I can figure it out myself" mode will hamper progression, not just in building but in any endeavor
Yeah I agree with Chef Meg, your a hero too, your never overbearing in the sense that you suggest there is only one way of doing something. You were actually open to trying my fralien which was a different vape for you so if anything you're the opposite of overbearing. And if anyone is gonna give advice it should be a person like you cause you are posting all the time, you are trying all the time, new things all the time, and you've come an amazingly long way, so I have nothing but admiration for you. I have this feeling like all the good builders feel the same way about each other, generally speaking and support one another and that's why I love being here.
 

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Yeah I agree with Chef Meg, your a hero too, your never overbearing in the sense that you suggest there is only one way of doing something. You were actually open to trying my fralien which was a different vape for you so if anything you're the opposite of overbearing. And if anyone is gonna give advice it should be a person like you cause you are posting all the time, you are trying all the time, new things all the time, and you've come an amazingly long way, so I have nothing but admiration for you. I have this feeling like all the good builders feel the same way about each other, generally speaking and support one another and that's why I love being here.

If my you boost my ego any further, my head will explode :eek: thanks for the words

Here's a build
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From two nights ago when I tried narrower and narrower ribbon stacks, this is 4x.3

0.22 ohms, 60 watts, pretty dang good so far
 
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@raymo2u and @CrazyChef v2.0 are two, literally, professional builders who post and give advice on this forum all the time.

Edit: Plus for a lot of us, making aliens and fraliens is easy work. We are all looking up to guys like Raymo and taking inspiration from what he posts. So to generalize as if the majority of people here don't know what they are doing is not really accurate. We are just sharing different ways of doing things with each other. I have this crazy idea, you could actually post a BUILD in this forum. I know it sounds wild but you could give it a shot. I've gone back pages and haven't seen you post any builds. You might be the best builder on the site, I dunno, but you've got a lot of criticism posts and not so many build posts.
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One reason why you haven't seen me post any builds is because they are buried deep underneath all the noise, just like the useful advice from pro builders who left the place ages ago. Another reason is I don't actually even like or need to build that often... I guess you could say I like to spend more time reading the useful advice instead of driving in circles posting the same type of shit not just a couple of times, but doing it over and over and over calling it "progress" with 95% just talk about things like why people think it must be called that, while the 5% useful advice is still getting buried underneath that like usual, and, if two is the number of pro builders you can come up with who are still active here, then IMO you have already kind of proven my point.
 

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What does one consider a pro builder? Cuz Meg's looking pretty fucking professional now adays

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I've made money from it, that's the only requirement to be "professional," by definition lol

Edit: Buried under noise, indeed! Lmfao! :facepalm::tantrum: @Carambrda if you don't read your own posts then I guess they don't count as noise to you, do they?!?!
 

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Ive had the same view on building since the beginning.

Its not a skill your born with, its learned. This means anyone with motivation and time can do it with practice. There is always a easier way, try looking at the problem from a different perspective and find a work around. The best way to build is the way that uses the smallest bit of effort/time with the most functionality.

If a build it hard and your failing a certain part or area, walk away. Come back and assess what it causing the issue and determine if its the way your holding a fuse/decore or is it the way the wire is attached. If everything looks perfect and thats not the issue then try again and examine how much tension your using as tension is the main culprit in many issues.

You want paraclap to be laid as close to 90 degrees as possible. Make sure before laying paraclap or decore you wash your hands with soap, this allows the wire to slip through your fingers easier and that reduces unwanted tension....which is a large problem for aliens and staggering. When laying paraclap the paraclap needs to be laid as close to perfect through the entire length as you can, any moment where tension is added or taken the angle of the paraclap changes on a microscopic scale. This is what causes you to weave later, as the difference gradually becomes a problem as you fuse, the more times the angle was changed when laying paraclap-the more of a pain in the ass it will be later. Consistency is what you want and it takes practice.

Make sure you wash your hands beforehand.
Make sure your wire pulls off your spool without catching or snagging
Remember to keep your angle as close to 90 as possible (paraclap)
Be consistent with tension the whole way through, any time your wire dips from pinch tension-your paraclap angle changes for that moment
Make sure your swivels are clean and spin freely, if your ribbon is twisting too much when para-clapping it, that also can change the angle.
Go your own speed, dont rush any part of it....good results are worth taking your time.
@KingPin! Can posts like these be gathered and stickied somewhere please?
 

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One reason why you haven't seen me post any builds is because they are buried deep underneath all the noise, just like the useful advice from pro builders who left the place ages ago. Another reason is I don't actually even like or need to build that often... I guess you could say I like to spend more time reading the useful advice instead of driving in circles posting the same type of shit not just a couple of times, but doing it over and over and over calling it "progress" with 95% just talk about things like why people think it must be called that, while the 5% useful advice is still getting buried underneath that like usual, and, if two is the number of pro builders you can come up with who are still active here, then IMO you have already kind of proven my point.
I have no choice but to completely ignore you going forward. I just can't take you seriously.:giggle:
 
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@KingPin! Can posts like these be gathered and stickied somewhere please?

It’s what the all “official” threads were created for I believe ...Mach1nes content page to locate all of them is stickied ....admittedly don’t think one exists right now for para Clapton techniques unless I’m mistaken
 

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It’s what the all “official” threads were created for I believe ...Mach1nes content page to locate all of them is stickied ....admittedly don’t think one exists right now for para Clapton techniques unless I’m mistaken
Its just more of a post that I wouldnt say are tips, more like diagnostic and basic knowledge for aliens/paraclapping. Maybe someday Ill write our a massive post on small things like that...

Some of the best qoutes to remember when doing anything...

Thomas A. Edison:
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
“If we all did the things we are really capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves.”
“Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.”
“Negative results are just what I want. They’re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don’t.”

Johnny Cash:
“You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.”

Coco Chanel:
“Success is most often achieved by those who don't know that failure is inevitable.”

Henry Ford:
“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”

Winston Churchill:
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

Denis Waitley:
“Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing.”
 
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Carambrda

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You can't say people, including myself haven't made progress since starting to post here, it's just not factually correct. If you're a builder building is fun and you want to share your builds cause every single build comes out a little bit different and the evolution of it comes in baby steps not giant leaps. This is a POST YOUR BUILDS FORUM. The evidence shows that you don't share your builds and you even admit that you don't build that much. So you really have no point. And almost nobody likes or relates to your posts. So why do you even bother coming on here and complaining? I gave you the names of two professionals who are on this forum all the time. You just ignored me and said the same thing over again. The only thing you really like about being a part of this forum is stirring things up to create arguments. You enjoying arguing with a keyboard. That's the only point you have made since May 20th. So go ahead and argue some more about your metaphorical "noise" and keep accusing people of not making progress when every single one of the people you accuse has sure as **** made more progress than you, cause you don't post builds, and before you forget I'll remind you one more time, THIS IS A POST YOUR BUILDS FORUM. I have no choice but to eternally ignore you from this point forward.:banana:
Well actually I never said that you haven't made progress, and, I do share my builds because they're right here for everyone to see, just like the useful advice from pro builders is, if you care to spend the time to search for it before you post. By "noise" I was only referring to my observation that useful advice is still continuing to get buried underneath all the endless chitchat so if the fact you put me on ignore is going to help reduce your own endless chitchat, then I consider that a good thing.
 

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Well actually I never said that you haven't made progress, and, I do share my builds because they're right here for everyone to see, just like the useful advice from pro builders is, if you care to spend the time to search for it before you post. By "noise" I was only referring to my observation that useful advice is still continuing to get buried underneath all the endless chitchat so if the fact you put me on ignore is going to help reduce your own endless chitchat, then I consider that a good thing.
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I've made money from it, that's the only requirement to be "professional," by definition lol

Edit: Buried under noise, indeed! Lmfao! :facepalm::tantrum: @Carambrda if you don't read your own posts then I guess they don't count as noise to you, do they?!?!
Sometimes you have to combat fire with fire. :D
 

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Its just more of a post that I wouldnt say are tips, more like diagnostic and basic knowledge for aliens/paraclapping. Maybe someday Ill write our a massive post on small things like that...

Some of the best qoutes to remember when doing anything...

Thomas A. Edison:
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
“If we all did the things we are really capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves.”
“Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.”
“Negative results are just what I want. They’re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don’t.”

Johnny Cash:
“You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.”

Coco Chanel:
“Success is most often achieved by those who don't know that failure is inevitable.”

Henry Ford:
“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”

Winston Churchill:
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

Denis Waitley:
“Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing.”
I always liked this:

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KingPin!

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Its just more of a post that I wouldnt say are tips, more like diagnostic and basic knowledge for aliens/paraclapping. Maybe someday Ill write our a massive post on small things like that...

Some of the best qoutes to remember when doing anything...

Thomas A. Edison:
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
“If we all did the things we are really capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves.”
“Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.”
“Negative results are just what I want. They’re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don’t.”

Johnny Cash:
“You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.”

Coco Chanel:
“Success is most often achieved by those who don't know that failure is inevitable.”

Henry Ford:
“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothingu.”

Winston Churchill:
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

Denis Waitley:
“Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing.”

Wasn’t meant for you mate ;) But saw you posted in there as well which is great :cheers: I’d say that was a tip for sure

encouragement and sharing as we go in here is the whole point ...without taking on board Raymos ,chefs, warriors, machines, owls and many others encouragement and tips I’d never had passed the fused Clapton stage especially as machine had to talk me into joining this thread in the first place. Sure I watched all the pioneer vids same as everyone else does but it’s that personal encounter and chit chat with others... you just can’t beat it to try the next thing...

...in fact I remember saying to machine I didn’t feel deserving of showing my shitty early builds in the coil porn thread ...but it’s never been a place for egos at least since I’ve been here and hope it never gets that way either!

Wish I got more time to build than I do and post up myself it’s why I largely watch from afar these days and try not to interfere with everyone who is posting builds daily

Keep it up build fam you’re doing great!
 

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Its just more of a post that I wouldnt say are tips, more like diagnostic and basic knowledge for aliens/paraclapping. Maybe someday Ill write our a massive post on small things like that...

Some of the best qoutes to remember when doing anything...

Thomas A. Edison:
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
“If we all did the things we are really capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves.”
“Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is always to try just one more time.”
“Negative results are just what I want. They’re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don’t.”

Johnny Cash:
“You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.”

Coco Chanel:
“Success is most often achieved by those who don't know that failure is inevitable.”

Henry Ford:
“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”

Winston Churchill:
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

Denis Waitley:
“Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing.”
I think you forgot one.

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To prove a point to all the new comers
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My first ever alien attempt huge hurdle for me plenty of swearing and wasted wire involved thereafter but didn’t get shit thrown my way but instead encouragement and tips to improve


what I can produce these days thanks to this thread
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I think you forgot one.

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When the education community puts Nikola Tesla in the History books and hold him to a higher standard then Einstein....then Ill give him credit for anything hes done. Einstein was intelligent and he had some incredible findings, but the only reason why hes known of is because he fell in line and was used to push the establishment.
One quote I will give you that Einstein did say...
Einstein was asked how it felt to be the smartest man on Earth, Einstein replied, "I wouldn't know. Ask Nikola Tesla"

Almost everything we have today in a technological aspect is a derivative of Tesla's work....but you wont find him in any book taught in schools, even decent schools that arent deep into indoctrination. Tesla was the smartest and greatest genius of all time but was suppressed heavily, made to look crazy, isnt recognized by the masses for all of his achievements and findings we take for granted today.

It reminds me of how America's population has devolved to a point where they no longer recognize important historical facts or care of why they are important (such as why we celebrate the 4th of July!). Idiocracy is in realtime. We are only given what they decide to give us for education and people have become so self infatuated that they dont care to learn anything beyond that....leaving important figures, dates, events, and other historical data to slowly dissolve and be forgotten. If you dont believe me...watch some of these videos, then ask yourself how far has education come in the last 100 years? What types of legislation are being passed as these people are voters who decide on very important issues. Where does it lead to in 20-30 years? "Brawndo has what plants crave" is all I hear when thinking about it.

I have hope though, there are some people that still have work ethic, have morals, independent thought, push to educate themselves, and look for meaningful ways to spend their time. Thats why I love the building community, its a hobby with invested individuals......the types of people that have these qualities. I believe people with Hobbies and a good sense of humor are some of the only "real people" in the world.

Dont mind the rant, I just felt like sharing my thoughts. I come for chitchat, builds, and good beer, but you fuckers dont seem to help pay the beer tab....o_O:blah:
 
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Carambrda

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When education community puts Nikola Tesla in the History and hold him higher then Einstein....then Ill give him credit for anything hes done. He was intelligent and he had some incredible findings, but the only reason why hes known of is because he fell in line and was used to push the establishment.
One quote I will give you that Einstein did say...
Einstein was asked how it felt to be the smartest man on Earth, Einstein replied, "I wouldn't know. Ask Nikola Tesla"

Almost everything we have today in a technological aspect is a derivative of Tesla's work....but you wont find him in any book taught in schools, even decent schools that arent deep into indoctrination. Tesla was the smartest and greatest genius of all time but was suppressed heavily, isnt recognized by the masses for all of his achievements and findings we take for granted today.

It reminds me of how America's population has devolved to a point where they no longer recognize important historical facts or care of why they are important (such as why we celebrate the 4th of July!). Idiocracy and ignorance is real time. We are only given what they decide to give and people have become so self infatuated they dont care to learn anything beyond that....leaving important figures, dates, events, and other historical data to slowly dissolve and be forgotten. If you dont believe me...watch some of these videos, then ask yourself how far has education come in the last 100 years, what types of legislation are being passed more often. Where does it lead to in 20-30 years? "Brawndo has what plants crave" is all I hear when thinking about it.

I have hope though, there are some people that still have work ethic, have morals, independent thought, push to educate themselves, and look for meaningful ways to spend their time. Thats why I love the building community, its a hobby with invested individuals......the types of people that have these qualities. I believe people with Hobbies and a good sense of humor are some of the only "real people" in the world.

Dont mind the rant, I just felt like sharing my thoughts. I come for chitchat, builds, and good beer, but you fuckers dont seem to help pay the beer tab....o_O:blah:
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mojo21

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Very well said
@raymo2u and @CrazyChef v2.0 are two, literally, professional builders who post and give advice on this forum all the time.

Edit: Plus for a lot of us, making aliens and fraliens is easy work. We are all looking up to guys like Raymo and taking inspiration from what he posts. So to generalize as if the majority of people here don't know what they are doing is not really accurate. We are just sharing different ways of doing things with each other. I have this crazy idea, you could actually post a BUILD in this forum. I know it sounds wild but you could give it a shot. I've gone back pages and haven't seen you post any builds. You might be the best builder on the site, I dunno, but you've got a lot of criticism posts and not so many build posts.
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mojo21

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I have got to second that motion . Ur tips and advice help alot . I'm struggling with fact that I'm going to have to start pre-stretching my de-core instead of no stretch method . It such a pain to pre stretch . Get tangled all the time and shit
You've come a very long way in a very short time. You have every right to be excited and to share what you've learned. And for the record, I've never noticed anything you've written as being overbearing.

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mojo21

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Ive had the same view on building since the beginning.

Its not a skill your born with, its learned. This means anyone with motivation and time can do it with practice. There is always a easier way, try looking at the problem from a different perspective and find a work around. The best way to build is the way that uses the smallest bit of effort/time with the most functionality.

If a build it hard and your failing a certain part or area, walk away. Come back and assess what it causing the issue and determine if its the way your holding a fuse/decore or is it the way the wire is attached. If everything looks perfect and thats not the issue then try again and examine how much tension your using as tension is the main culprit in many issues.

You want paraclap to be laid as close to 90 degrees as possible. Make sure before laying paraclap or decore you wash your hands with soap, this allows the wire to slip through your fingers easier and that reduces unwanted tension....which is a large problem for aliens and staggering. When laying paraclap the paraclap needs to be laid as close to perfect through the entire length as you can, any moment where tension is added or taken the angle of the paraclap changes on a microscopic scale. This is what causes you to weave later, as the difference gradually becomes a problem as you fuse, the more times the angle was changed when laying paraclap-the more of a pain in the ass it will be later. Consistency is what you want and it takes practice.

Make sure you wash your hands beforehand.
Make sure your wire pulls off your spool without catching or snagging
Remember to keep your angle as close to 90 as possible (paraclap)
Be consistent with tension the whole way through, any time your wire dips from pinch tension-your paraclap angle changes for that moment
Make sure your swivels are clean and spin freely, if your ribbon is twisting too much when para-clapping it, that also can change the angle.
Go your own speed, dont rush any part of it....good results are worth taking your time.
Well said . I always wash my hands right before a build it helps alot

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mojo21

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I get to try some SS wrapped aliens tonight, a la Sparky :D

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Just got my wire order today to . Gonna try some diff. Combos of all n80 and all SS . Since I've been building I always used kanthal for cores and n80 for wrap and the flavor was on point so I never tried anything else but been curious to try some diff. Wire. Combos so gonna give it a go tonight . Cheers all !
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BoostedTrini

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People build for different reasons. Some do it for fun, others for stress release, fame, use, supply. The way I see it is to give advice when you can and show as often as you can. It helps, even if the person isn't a member or doesn't post. I build a lot but it is to supply a few small shops. So I rarely do builds for the sake of doing it or because it looks pretty...and when I do decide on a spec it isn't good enough to do it once or 10 times...I need to be able to do it 100 time consistently in a time frame so what others can put up with I may not and what I may do or need to do others may not. There is a real difference in needing to build 10 coils in a day and 100.
 

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