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Tpat591

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Tpat591

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So tell us more about the QRS11. POTUS grounded 4% of the fleet yesterday because he knows something. MilSpecOpsMonkey is pinning the blame there citing Field McConnell. They using Chinese Chips in these that might have back door access in addition to the official back door that doesn't exist?


Trump Orders Grounding Of All 737 Max Planes

"Planes that are in the air will be grounded...upon landing at the destination...All airlines are agreeing with this."


POTUS is trying to keep them from crashing planes in retribution for what he is about to do. If they find an issue he can expand the grounding. The scrutiny alone can discourage incidents. F22 & F35 fleets have already reportedly been rechipped & corrected.

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chopdoc

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Its the 737-max that is in questions, not 777, F22 or any installed chips.

Was reading some of the technical stuff on it last night. Because of the design of the aircraft they mounted the engines farther forward than previously installed on 737's. These engine and the location can cause a high angle of attack under heavy loads. The aircraft is designed to automatically counter this condition. What is being speculated in both crashes is the pilots was not properly trained and in both instances the pilots fought the auto correction causing both crashes when they could of disengaged the system and not had to fight the controls yet because they was not properly trained they was unaware of this. US pilots are some of the best trained pilots in the world which is why the FAA didnt deem it necessary to ground the American fleet.

The angle of attack mentioned is an imaginary line from the leading edge of an airfoil (wing) to the trailing edge. This line in reference to the airflow (wind) is the angle of attack. As the angle of attack increases, the lift produced by the wings decreases and at a certain point the airfoil will no longer maintain lift.

Both the crash in October and the one last week was pilot error. They did not understand the aircraft or its design.

From Boing

"A pitch augmentation control law (MCAS) was implemented on the 737 MAX to improve aircraft handling characteristics and decrease pitch-up tendency at elevated angles of attack. It was put through flight testing as part of the certification process prior to the airplane entering service. MCAS does not control the airplane in normal flight; it improves the behavior of the airplane in a non-normal part of the operating envelope. "



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So tell us more about the QRS11. POTUS grounded 4% of the fleet yesterday because he knows something. MilSpecOpsMonkey is pinning the blame there citing Field McConnell. They using Chinese Chips in these that might have back door access in addition to the official back door that doesn't exist?


POTUS is trying to keep them from crashing planes in retribution for what he is about to do. If they find an issue he can expand the grounding. The scrutiny alone can discourage incidents. F22 & F35 fleets have already reportedly been rechipped & corrected.

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Tpat591

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Its the 737-max that is in questions, not 777, F22 or any installed chips.

Was reading some of the technical stuff on it last night. Because of the design of the aircraft they mounted the engines farther forward than previously installed on 737's. These engine and the location can cause a high angle of attack under heavy loads. The aircraft is designed to automatically counter this condition. What is being speculated in both crashes is the pilots was not properly trained and in both instances the pilots fought the auto correction causing both crashes when they could of disengaged the system and not had to fight the controls yet because they was not properly trained they was unaware of this. US pilots are some of the best trained pilots in the world which is why the FAA didnt deem it necessary to ground the American fleet.

The angle of attack mentioned is an imaginary line from the leading edge of an airfoil (wing) to the trailing edge. This line in reference to the airflow (wind) is the angle of attack. As the angle of attack increases, the lift produced by the wings decreases and at a certain point the airfoil will no longer maintain lift.

Both the crash in October and the one last week was pilot error. They did not understand the aircraft or its design.

From Boing

"A pitch augmentation control law (MCAS) was implemented on the 737 MAX to improve aircraft handling characteristics and decrease pitch-up tendency at elevated angles of attack. It was put through flight testing as part of the certification process prior to the airplane entering service. MCAS does not control the airplane in normal flight; it improves the behavior of the airplane in a non-normal part of the operating envelope. "
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So these correlations from NY Times are the MCAS?

A lot of people are reading this tweet as saying much more than it appears

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They think POTUS is Promising Death Penalty Executions for the Stone Cold Killers Crashing 737s
 
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What is being speculated in both crashes is the pilots was not properly trained and in both instances the pilots fought the auto correction causing both crashes when they could of disengaged the system and not had to fight the controls yet because they was not properly trained they was unaware of this. US pilots are some of the best trained pilots in the world which is why the FAA didnt deem it necessary to ground the American fleet.
Exactly.

The Lion Air crash occurred after the previous crew who flew that airplane reported problems with it, but the previous crews just shut the MCAS system off and did what pilots are supposed to do: Aviate.

The Ethiopian Air flight had a 29 year old Pilot-In Command. He supposedly had 8000 total hours, which I question, because I'm not sure how that's even remotely possible for someone only 29 years old. And his co-pilot had a whopping 200 hours total. I've got nearly 200 hours logged myself, but I'm sure as hell not qualified to fly a 737!

In the US, you need an absolute minimum of 1000 hours before you can get an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot license), and realistically, it's 1500.
 
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chopdoc

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So these correlations from NY Times are the MCAS?

A lot of people are reading this tweet as saying much more than it appears

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Trump is my guy, he is my president but he is not right on everything. Im not like the Obamaites who think their messiah can do no wrong. I know Trump can and this is one of the things he is dead wrong on. Adding a $100 mill tax to vaping is also dead wrong in my opinion. My guy is far from perfect and I do not always agree with him :p

I been retired/disabled for going on 3 years now but I am still plugged into the aviation grapevine. Pilot error is whats being said on these two crashes and the data I have seen this makes sense.
 

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Exactly.

The Lion Air crash occurred after the previous crew who flew that airplane reported problems with it, but the previous crews just shut the MCAS system off and did what pilots are supposed to do: Aviate.

The Ethiopian Air flight had a 29 year old Pilot-In Command. He supposedly had 8000 total hours, which I question, because I'm not sure how that's even remotely possible for someone only 29 years old And his co-pilot had a whopping 200 hours total. Hell, I've got nearly 200 hours logged myself, but I'm sure as hell not qualified to fly a 737!

In the US, you need an absolute minimum of 1000 hours before you can get an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot license), and realistically, it's 1500.

The problem was with the stall warning system. The previous pilots shutting it off was what the pilots that crashed should of done and if they was properly trained, good chance they would have. What is even more alarming to me is they previously had issues yet why wasnt that aircraft grounded until it was properly repaired? In the US it is illegal to fly any aircraft with an open write up aka complaint. So once again I ask why the first plane that crashed with a problem with the stall warning system was not grounded and repaired before being returned to flight. That is also on the pilots in the US. There is no laws stating an airworthy aircraft must be presented to the pilot. The legal requirements falls on the pilot to ensure the aircraft is airworthy.
 

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Rossum

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What I am starting to wonder is if they are saving this for 2020? Are we going to see a parade of Democrats going to jail as the next election is in full swing?
Hope springs eternal.

Are you crazy..Trump won't even arrest illegal aliens ..he isn't gonna do shit to the Democrats...
Sadly, I think you're right. Anyone who isn't fully stocked before November of 2020 is a fool.
 

chopdoc

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Exactly.

The Lion Air crash occurred after the previous crew who flew that airplane reported problems with it, but the previous crews just shut the MCAS system off and did what pilots are supposed to do: Aviate.

The Ethiopian Air flight had a 29 year old Pilot-In Command. He supposedly had 8000 total hours, which I question, because I'm not sure how that's even remotely possible for someone only 29 years old. And his co-pilot had a whopping 200 hours total. I've got nearly 200 hours logged myself, but I'm sure as hell not qualified to fly a 737!

In the US, you need an absolute minimum of 1000 hours before you can get an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot license), and realistically, it's 1500.


I hold a privates myself, have well over 500 hours sleeping in a helicopter in flight :p and I thought the ATP requirement was 1500 hrs.

As a pilot I am sure your are aware of what an MEL is. What I am curious is if the previous crew had problems with the system, why was it still operational? To MEL an item requires that you isolate that item that is malfunctioning and as long as its not a safety of flight item it can fly for so long before repairs must be made as per current FAR's which are for only US aircraft but the world follows our lead. I think if I remember right Cat A was 24 hours, Cat B was 3 days, Cat C which is the one we used the most when I was working is 10 days and Cat D is 120 days that the broke item can be deferred. Electrical items we would pull the curcuit breaker and put a tye wrap on them because the dumb ass pilot would always try to push it back in even tho it is broke.
As I said earlier, I am wondering why it was allowed to continue to fly with a known discrepancy. Even if they would of MEL'd it, the pilots would of known there was a problem instead of finding out right before becoming a lawn dart.
 

chopdoc

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Are you crazy..Trump won't even arrest illegal aliens ..he isn't gonna do shit to the Democrats...

Funny thing is Trump has to work within the laws while Democrats all over the nation wipes their ass with the laws. What makes it even harder for Trump is the Republicans are more interested in seeing the Democrats succeed than Trump and America succeed.
 

Rossum

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I thought the ATP requirement was 1500 hrs.
I think if you were a military pilot or you got an aviation degree at someplace like Embry-Riddle, you can get an ATP with only 1000 hours, otherwise it's 1500.

As I said earlier, I am wondering why it was allowed to continue to fly with a known discrepancy.
What I read is that they did some work on the MCAS system before that last Lion Air flight, but the work was inadequate.
 

chopdoc

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I think if you were a military pilot or you got an aviation degree at someplace like Embry-Riddle, you can get an ATP with only 1000 hours, otherwise it's 1500.


What I read is that they did some work on the MCAS system before that last Lion Air flight, but the work was inadequate.


If thats the case, then maintenance was a contributing factor to those fatalities.


And we was both wrong and both right on the ATP. It all depends on how ya squint :p

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Democrats upset over Omar seeking primary challenger

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433970-democrats-upset-over-omar-seeking-primary-challenger

Some Minnesota Democrats, aghast at controversial comments made by Rep. Ilhan Omar (D), are taking initial steps to recruit a candidate to run against her in next year’s primary election, seeking to buck history in one of the nation’s most progressive legislative districts.

Several party leaders said they have had discussions about finding a candidate to take on Omar, just two months into her first term in Congress.
 
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