Has Vaping hit a plateau ?

Robert B · Feb 18, 2016

I realize there are more juices and equipment available than ever before, but has this industry hit a plateau?

I don't seem to see the activity as much anymore on the forums, juice companies are discounting like never before, online stores seem to be sending out more and more spam emails, my local vape shops are nowhere near as busy as they once seemed to be. There seems to be more hardware for sale in the classifieds, with people either quitting vaping altogether, or downsizing like crazy.

Doesn't seem to be the energy there once was for trade shows, or cloud chucking comps. Has the fad died down for young people to vape "just because it's cool to do tricks"?

I'd be interested to see the real website hit stats on the forums stretched out over a two year period.

What do you guys think?

centella4u · Feb 18, 2016

Dunno, I'm still climbing, lol.

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Robert B · Feb 18, 2016

I just watched a video from a Vape convention in Kansas City from a couple days ago. The place was like a ghost town. Yosh was doing the video, and even said "same old shit". Same juice vendors, hardly any hardware vendors, and few people walking around. Nothing like a year ago when the place would be asshole to elbow with people.

pulsevape · Feb 18, 2016

I don't know about plateau....but vaping has got to the point of cigarettes....China has totally captured the market.Todays vapers want convinience and they want it at a chinese price....I would say vaping is seeing it's "Walmart" days....We have a glut of Walmart vapers,vaping Mc Nugget tanks on robomods....it's convinient.......
I think ceramics is going to be a big change for vaping in the near future.....It's hard to predict...at one time spending more than 30.00 dollars on an atty was insane...then spending 150.00 on an atty was common, now buying cheap ass chinese tanks for under 50.00 is common....but a new development can change the face of vaping over night...it's always been that way.The thing I find that is different about the current trends in vaping is the number of people willing to trust the saftey of the shit that China produces.

Robert B · Feb 18, 2016

pulsevape said:
The thing I find that is different about the current trends in vaping is the number of people willing to trust the saftey of the shit that China produces.

As far as that goes, I think it's more of distrust of the chinese online stores. So many have been screwed by them, sending out wrong or broken items then blaming it on the customer, and refusing to do anything. The flashlight people are finding the same thing. People order a 50 dollar item that arrives either damaged or DOA, Banggood or Gearbest either offers a 10 dollar store credit or ignores them.

I regards to vaping, I'm not seeing the forum participation anywhere like it was even 6 months ago. Here, ECF, Reddit, etc... I know that's not what the forums want to see since advertising $$ depends on high traffic.

pulsevape · Feb 18, 2016

I think the first generation of vapers have found a style and the gear that they like and so they don't really need to stay in touch with the forums...the biggest development in the vape scene has been in convinience not in the quality of the vape,most experinced vapers have been building for a long time, and so building for them is not an inconvinience, they can do it blind drunk or asleep.

HRC · Feb 18, 2016

Or the ex-smokers turned vapors and slowly weaned themselves off and are now smoke/vape free.
That's my goal this time around.

Faceless Vapes · Feb 18, 2016

IDK. The market is just so saturated.

skiibo4200 · Feb 18, 2016

I belive the products have just got so advanced and produce a nice vape you don't have to but a mech an rda and learn to build to get a decent vape.. go buy a tfv4 crown articv8 herkilies.. the list goes on.

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pulsevape · Feb 18, 2016

skiibo4200 said:
I belive the products have just got so advanced and produce a nice vape you don't have to but a mech an rda and learn to build to get a decent vape.. go buy a tfv4 crown articv8 herkilies.. the list goes on.

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pulsevape · Feb 18, 2016

pulsevape said:

no interested in a decent vape...I wanna great vape.

burley · Feb 18, 2016

skiibo4200 said:
I belive the products have just got so advanced and produce a nice vape you don't have to but a mech an rda and learn to build to get a decent vape.. go buy a tfv4 crown articv8 herkilies.. the list goes on.

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I agree. While there's a niche part of the community that enjoys having that level of involvement with their hobby, like building for RTAs and/or drippers for instance, there's a much bigger, much less vocal and "community involved" people that are getting along just fine (and probably will for years) with a Crown and a simple VW/TC mod. The products that are out are ... well, fool-proof and proven. Simple. Plug 'n play. They don't need to research new wicking materials, they don't even need to know Ohm's law. You get X disposable atomizers for $X at X, change atomizers when the one you're using sucks - that's about the limit of knowledge that's needed going in.

That's not a bad thing, at all - I believe it's quite the reverse actually, it's the best thing that could happen for vaping and people looking to get into vaping. There's nowhere else, really, for things to go to further improve on a mainstream standard. (Then again, I'm sure that's been said and disproven a million times before.)

There's still the issue of getting people past the cigalike phase, I'm sure there's scores of people who would really take to a good, decent vape that won't ever give it a try because of a shitty Vuze experience. I'm glad to see certain companies putting out ego-style battery and refillable bottom-coil tanks, I see those in blister packs more and more often at gas stations and whatnot. Give it another couple of years (cross your fingers), bet you'll see Kanger sub-tank starter blister packs in their place.

pulsevape · Feb 18, 2016

fool proof huh....how about all those fools putting their mc nugget tanks on hybrid mech mods and blowing themselves up. you underestimate fools...

Time · Feb 18, 2016

burley said:
I agree. While there's a niche part of the community that enjoys having that level of involvement with their hobby, like building for RTAs and/or drippers for instance, there's a much bigger, much less vocal and "community involved" people that are getting along just fine (and probably will for years) with a Crown and a simple VW/TC mod. The products that are out are ... well, fool-proof and proven. Simple. Plug 'n play. They don't need to research new wicking materials, they don't even need to know Ohm's law. You get X disposable atomizers for $X at X, change atomizers when the one you're using sucks - that's about the limit of knowledge that's needed going in.

That's not a bad thing, at all - I believe it's quite the reverse actually, it's the best thing that could happen for vaping and people looking to get into vaping. There's nowhere else, really, for things to go to further improve on a mainstream standard. (Then again, I'm sure that's been said and disproven a million times before.)

There's still the issue of getting people past the cigalike phase, I'm sure there's scores of people who would really take to a good, decent vape that won't ever give it a try because of a shitty Vuze experience. I'm glad to see certain companies putting out ego-style battery and refillable bottom-coil tanks, I see those in blister packs more and more often at gas stations and whatnot. Give it another couple of years (cross your fingers), bet you'll see Kanger sub-tank starter blister packs in their place.

^This^ for the most part. It used to be that you needed to build on an RDA and use a mech so people had to learn something. Lots of the "newest and greatest" coming out every month or so. Last year and a half was busy with all the new higher power mods and subtanks. Now I hardly hear about anything new and what there has been seems just more of the same.

Also, there are more people in the know, so to speak, so people are just doing what their friends tell them(subtank and mod) to do. They don't need to search the internet.

burley · Feb 18, 2016

pulsevape said:
fool proof huh....how about all those fools putting their mc nugget tanks on hybrid mech mods and blowing themselves up. you underestimate fools...

That is the unfortunate side effect of lack of knowledge, lack of wanting to learn that knowledge, and lack of responsibility on the vendors' and their employees' parts. I wish no one blew their face off. But, simple fact of the matter is that there's going to be a percentage of dumb-dumbs (either side of the counter, really) that are going to do that. There's a number of people with broken thumbs from missing a swing with the hammer. The best we can do is to try and educate (at the very least "this is safe, this is not" type stuff - level one type stuff) and hope the backlash from the inevitable isn't unlivable.

But for Joe Schmoe, "I don't want to smoke anymore, I'll give this vaping thing a shot," that's a different creature than "Woa bro, sick cloud, I want to be cool too, where can I get one of those 'hard hitting' mechs?"

SailCat · Feb 19, 2016

Faceless Vapes said:
IDK. The market is just so saturated.

And that sound you hear is the bubble bursting, particularly in the e-liquid realm where ,so many rushed to make insane buttloads of easy cash. It ain't so easy now. If a product can't be sold on value (as it should), the only alternative is to dump it at a discount. Two-for ones, three for ones, big bottle, small price, free gear if you please just buy this shit.

I'd pity the newroid with minimal e-liquid mixology experience and little business sense thinking there's still a score to be made if it wasn't such an obvious fast-track to failure in 2016, Your friends and family from whom you borrowed money to launch this 'sure thing' will lose all respect for you. If you put your house up to pull it off, you're gonna be homeless.

Hmph. I must be in a mood today, What a sad post, albeit accurate and factual.

Barbara E. · Feb 19, 2016

burley said:
I agree. While there's a niche part of the community that enjoys having that level of involvement with their hobby, like building for RTAs and/or drippers for instance, there's a much bigger, much less vocal and "community involved" people that are getting along just fine (and probably will for years) with a Crown and a simple VW/TC mod. <snip>

In my experience, even Crown tanks and TC are more than what most people are interested in. A 30-50 watt device with a subtank/atlantis/isub (or their top-fill counterparts) make up the bulk of what we see. The next biggest group is the ijust 2/evod mega/ego crowd. High-power mods and tanks make up a small fraction of what many stores sell.

VapeRN · Feb 19, 2016

If vaping has hit a plateau, then it's a pretty fantastic place to sit for a while. I tried to vape in 2012, it was hard. Ego twists were the height of vaping. The sheer volume of good products out now is stellar compared to just 3 or even 2 years ago. I look at new starter kits like Subox Mini or Innokin T18 and wonder how amazing it would have been if those were available to me as a new vaper.

I think vaping is in a refinement phase, not so much a plateau. The conceptual phase is slowing down as we start to find the limit of the 510 based systems. I think the next big breakthrough will be when the 510 connector is replaced by something better, though I'm not sure when that is. 22mm and 510 standards are what is causing the perception of a plateau.

Look at the Altus tank concept, and what's being done in ceramics in general, and that may point to a certain future. Eliminating the 510 could potentially give you water resistant mods that are ceramic element based that you simply rinse off to clean. Wick and vape.

There is a bright future because vaping attracts innovative people.

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f1r3b1rd · Feb 19, 2016

Robert B said:
I realize there are more juices and equipment available than ever before, but has this industry hit a plateau?

I don't seem to see the activity as much anymore on the forums, juice companies are discounting like never before, online stores seem to be sending out more and more spam emails, my local vape shops are nowhere near as busy as they once seemed to be. There seems to be more hardware for sale in the classifieds, with people either quitting vaping altogether, or downsizing like crazy.

Doesn't seem to be the energy there once was for trade shows, or cloud chucking comps. Has the fad died down for young people to vape "just because it's cool to do tricks"?

I'd be interested to see the real website hit stats on the forums stretched out over a two year period.

What do you guys think?

Interesting question. I think it could be a few things.
For one 2015 was a different version of the same mod and subohm tank coming out once a week, which FLOODED the market. Anyone and everyone that wanted to started a juice line. Both of those things pushed the prices to floor almost, which is great! Now, we have what? 4 brands out of China all in bed with each other? Most American companies going overseas for manufacturing, which again will push prices down. That's great for us, and smokers looking to quit. Bad for b&ms...
Also the online community has been growing and growing, with that comes the realization that you can click a button and your mod magically appears, as well as, diy gets popular so no need in juice tasting. 120mil bottles sell more than 30ml.
The old landscape has changed, I don't think it's plateaued just 'modified.' And not all in a good way.
We still have the mod vomit, more copies of the same mod coming, a new flash of ceramic tanks... 200w 2 battery mods (scary)...

KKen · Feb 28, 2016

I used to frequent various forums and watch YouTube often, but now I no longer have any desire or interest knowing or trying what's new anymore.

I vape with one device, one atomizer and stick to the same liquid so for me, yes, vaping has absolutely plateaued, if not regressed, and it feels great to not give a shit anymore! LOL

pulsevape · Feb 28, 2016

KKen said:
I used to frequent various forums and watch YouTube often, but now I no longer have any desire or interest knowing or trying what's new anymore.

I vape with one device, one atomizer and stick to the same liquid so for me, yes, vaping has absolutely plateaued, if not regressed, and it feels great to not give a shit anymore! LOL

fucking brilliant. what atty what device.and what juice....I think you need at least two set ups one for two diffrent juices so you don't get vapers tounge.

Catalyst · Feb 28, 2016

VapeRN said:
If vaping has hit a plateau, then it's a pretty fantastic place to sit for a while. I tried to vape in 2012, it was hard. Ego twists were the height of vaping. The sheer volume of good products out now is stellar compared to just 3 or even 2 years ago. I look at new starter kits like Subox Mini or Innokin T18 and wonder how amazing it would have been if those were available to me as a new vaper.

I think vaping is in a refinement phase, not so much a plateau. The conceptual phase is slowing down as we start to find the limit of the 510 based systems. I think the next big breakthrough will be when the 510 connector is replaced by something better, though I'm not sure when that is. 22mm and 510 standards are what is causing the perception of a plateau.

Look at the Altus tank concept, and what's being done in ceramics in general, and that may point to a certain future. Eliminating the 510 could potentially give you water resistant mods that are ceramic element based that you simply rinse off to clean. Wick and vape.

There is a bright future because vaping attracts innovative people.

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"22mm and 510 standards are what is causing the perception of a plateau"...

Amen to that!! Bring back the 26650 form factor FTW!!! There as so much more potential in what can be built into the hardware. Tanks especially... More build room equals bigger coils equals better vape and more juice capacity.

starrelabelletxlady · Feb 28, 2016

Judging by all the new eliquid lines being advertised constantly, I'd have to say that more people are getting into vaping.
I haven't heard anyone mention the pending FDA regulations, and that's going to hit sometime this year. If they refuse to revise the bill, we're looking at a ban on new style vaping gear made after 2007, and taxes on eliquid.
The Vision Spinner and Mini Protank wasn't even introduced yet, and that's what I began on. Now I'm happy with my various Kanger Kboxes, and Subtanks paired with the Clapton coils. I'm making sure all my purchases are mods, and I'm stocked up on rechargeable batteries. Since the life of an internal battery is about 2 years, I don't see that as a good investment in these unsure times.
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pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

Catalyst said:
"22mm and 510 standards are what is causing the perception of a plateau"...

Amen to that!! Bring back the 26650 form factor FTW!!! There as so much more potential in what can be built into the hardware. Tanks especially... More build room equals bigger coils equals better vape and more juice capacity.

bigger is not always better.

f1r3b1rd · Feb 29, 2016

my ex used to tell me that a lot. I think she was just trying to make me feel better.

pulsevape said:
bigger is not always better.

pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

f1r3b1rd said:
my ex used to tell me that a lot. I think she was just trying to make me feel better.

she was.....

Angrygod50 · Feb 29, 2016

It hit a plateau for me. Of course when the SXmini Q class comes out that may change...lol

KKen · Feb 29, 2016

pulsevape said:
fucking brilliant. what atty what device.and what juice....I think you need at least two set ups one for two diffrent juices so you don't get vapers tounge.

You probably already know, but still using the same MCR 101 & 303; juice of choice is 12mg BlackNote Adagio (Havana blend) A 30ml bottle lasts me well into the month

Interesting because about a year ago, I was happily sub-ohming a high VG, 3mg nic fruity-bakery Diacetyl cream concoction with a low res. cotton dripper and DNA40, vaped a full bottle every 2-3 days Yikes...

I have a 2nd setup that is a juice tester, but I don't remember the last time I "tested" a juice, been really happy with the Havana blend for a long while now and haven't had any vapers-tounge since I started "vaping normally" as Todd would say

SailCat · Feb 29, 2016

pulsevape said:
bigger is not always better.

I know why you're of that opinion but if you'll just quit the cigarettes, it'll get bigger.

Catalyst · Feb 29, 2016

pulsevape said:
bigger is not always better.

I guess that I meant to add " in my humble opinion" at the end of my post. Bigger is definitely better for me at the moment. Whether or not it's a phase for me or not I have yet to discover. For the moment, I love my massive, thick lungfulls of vapor. That is a step that I had to take in order to totally ditch the Marlboros. I still keep in my drawer a kayfun 4, kayfun lite, and a steam turbine Genny for the occasional bottle of Lazarus Vintage, etc that is too valuable to slam through while sub ohming. But who knows where the road ahead will lead...

pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

SailCat said:
I know why you're of that opinion but if you'll just quit the cigarettes, it'll get bigger.

isn't there a men's public restroom you should be trying to make a few bucks at somewhere.don't forget your knee pads this time.I'm sure being a size queen you know your way around a big one.....LOL

pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

KKen said:
You probably already know, but still using the same MCR 101 & 303; juice of choice is 12mg BlackNote Adagio (Havana blend) A 30ml bottle lasts me well into the month

Interesting because about a year ago, I was happily sub-ohming a high VG, 3mg nic fruity-bakery Diacetyl cream concoction with a low res. cotton dripper and DNA40, vaped a full bottle every 2-3 days Yikes...

I have a 2nd setup that is a juice tester, but I don't remember the last time I "tested" a juice, been really happy with the Havana blend for a long while now and haven't had any vapers-tounge since I started "vaping normally" as Todd would say

The MCR atty is a good one?...I've been eyeing the origen genny v2 mkII 4 ml....yeah I came up with a diy recepie that I like alot pretty much use it as adv, but one more would be nice....blacknote is that a NET....I agree I'd rather vape high nic,and vape less frequently...I'd love to get a 101, but they are a bit pricey

pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

KKen said:
You probably already know, but still using the same MCR 101 & 303; juice of choice is 12mg BlackNote Adagio (Havana blend) A 30ml bottle lasts me well into the month

Interesting because about a year ago, I was happily sub-ohming a high VG, 3mg nic fruity-bakery Diacetyl cream concoction with a low res. cotton dripper and DNA40, vaped a full bottle every 2-3 days Yikes...

I have a 2nd setup that is a juice tester, but I don't remember the last time I "tested" a juice, been really happy with the Havana blend for a long while now and haven't had any vapers-tounge since I started "vaping normally" as Todd would say

Yeah did you catch the rant Todd went on over TC .

KKen · Feb 29, 2016

@pulsevape :

https://www.blacknote.com/why-black-note/
I know you make your own NET's but I think this is worth trying out, excellent benchmark to go on. I haven't had anything remotely similar to BN e-liquids. A big bonus especially for Genisis users is your wick/coil will easily last twice as long if not longer.

http://mcrmods.com/atomisers/mcr-303-mkii-atomiser.html

There is a flash sale on the 303 atomizer; 30 GBP I believe. If you like the Hellfire genny, you will probably like the MCR, I personally find them quite similar in machining quality and performance.

pulsevape · Feb 29, 2016

KKen said:
@pulsevape :

https://www.blacknote.com/why-black-note/
I know you make your own NET's but I think this is worth trying out, excellent benchmark to go on. I haven't had anything remotely similar to BN e-liquids. A big bonus especially for Genisis users is your wick/coil will easily last twice as long if not longer.

http://mcrmods.com/atomisers/mcr-303-mkii-atomiser.html

There is a flash sale on the 303 atomizer; 30 GBP I believe. If you like the Hellfire genny, you will probably like the MCR, I personally find them quite similar in machining quality and performance.

what's the pg /vg ratio in blacknote I'd like to try them but I'm a bit sensitive to PG usually vape 80 vg 20 pg, but hell they do look yummy....I'd really like the mod more than the atty.,,,the hellfire I have is a great vape, and a beautifully machined atty....but honestly it is not one of the better flavor attys I've tried.Hey how do you like the MCR mods.. I just checked the prices and they aren't too bad

tljenson · Mar 12, 2016

starrelabelletxlady said:
Judging by all the new eliquid lines being advertised constantly, I'd have to say that more people are getting into vaping.
I haven't heard anyone mention the pending FDA regulations, and that's going to hit sometime this year. If they refuse to revise the bill, we're looking at a ban on new style vaping gear made after 2007, and taxes on eliquid.
The Vision Spinner and Mini Protank wasn't even introduced yet, and that's what I began on. Now I'm happy with my various Kanger Kboxes, and Subtanks paired with the Clapton coils. I'm making sure all my purchases are mods, and I'm stocked up on rechargeable batteries. Since the life of an internal battery is about 2 years, I don't see that as a good investment in these unsure times.
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You really don't need to stock up on batteries 18650's are used in all kinds of products from laptop computers to flashlights.

11thcup · Mar 12, 2016

If vaping is at a plateau, I'm not surprised. Where do we go from where we are now? The obvious answer that I think had driven a lot of the advancements so far is "moar cloudz!" But just today talking to a guy at work, part of what he liked about his setup is that it "makes just enough smoke, not too much".
I haven't been on the forums long enough to comment on lower activity, but we may be seeing a split like in the automotive world: enthusiasts who enjoy vaping, but also building, maintaining, and understanding their equipment vs those who will buy a tc mod and tank together, set the temp and never have to think about it.
Neither is right or wrong, but as more people hit their sweet spot with convenient equipment, there will be less conversation.

And I'm sure there is some uncertainty among manufacturers with regulation on the horizon. At this point, they could R&D a revolutionary new product that would be illegal to sell before it broke even.

nabibrian · Mar 12, 2016

Thanks Obama lol

pulsevape · Mar 12, 2016

11thcup said:
If vaping is at a plateau, I'm not surprised. Where do we go from where we are now? The obvious answer that I think had driven a lot of the advancements so far is "moar cloudz!" But just today talking to a guy at work, part of what he liked about his setup is that it "makes just enough smoke, not too much".
I haven't been on the forums long enough to comment on lower activity, but we may be seeing a split like in the automotive world: enthusiasts who enjoy vaping, but also building, maintaining, and understanding their equipment vs those who will buy a tc mod and tank together, set the temp and never have to think about it.
Neither is right or wrong, but as more people hit their sweet spot with convenient equipment, there will be less conversation.

And I'm sure there is some uncertainty among manufacturers with regulation on the horizon. At this point, they could R&D a revolutionary new product that would be illegal to sell before it broke even.

things will change and keep changing

mikeyboy74 · Mar 13, 2016

What's left to buy after 8 months? A DNA mod, if and when they come down in price. A ceramic tank, if and when there's more consensus. New Smok Tech beast coils, and something new Herakles related, just personal preference there.

The B&M's may be good here and there, but for the most part, I see 2-3 times the online prices, and resentment when I go to learn rather than to spend. Also, vaping in public was never well received here in New England, so I need to be careful where I take my tfv4 or Herk.

I would expect to see a resurgence in low wattage MTL tanks if restrictions become very severe. I would also expect more and better tobacco and menthol flavors, if this includes elimination of the good flavors, to keep kids away. This would include more products from big tobacco.

Maybe more of the smarter B&M's can develop a decent online business.

Seems the industry did better avoiding negative attention before sub-ohm vaping went mainstream. There was the hobby segment, the beginner segment, and not all this middle ground. It wasn't better, but it avoided some of the scrutiny we've seen over the past 12-15 months.

Also, not standing behind these products is a big turnoff for those on the fence, just starting out. Sorry about the rant on that one, but it makes many wonder who, if anyone, is in it for the long run.

Over time, legalization of 420 may also be a factor. Will ppl start vaping actual tobacco rather than PG/VG as we know it, using the 420 equipment?

VapeRN · Mar 13, 2016

@mikeyboy74 I don't think we'll see people vaping loose leaf tobacco, the attraction with the other plant is the active substance is vaporized at a lower temperature than combustion. Flavor is not a major reason to vaporize. Loose tobacco wouldn't be too pleasing I'd imagine, unless you used something flavorful like a pipe blend but really e-liquid is just so darn good why bother with the hassle of cleaning anything else.

I think we will begin to see more advanced 'closed system' tech like the Digirette. It's a promising new system for direct lung vaping that has gotten some very positive reviews. I think this is a step in the right direction and meets any regulatory concerns for the future.

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Random · Mar 13, 2016

I don't think vaping in general has plateaued,I think brick and mortar shops have plateaued.I can buy a Joytech Evic VTC for $80 dollars at the local B&M or $45 online shipped.Juice is the same price online shipped or at the local B&M. If you were 20 and making $8 an hour where would you shop?I see more 30+yr olds getting into vaping,most of the people I see use something along the lines of a Top tank mini kit or Aspire triton mini kit w/premade coils.They want off cigs,they don't want an electrical or chemist degree.In the new yr to come you will see better QC on coils.Less cloud driven more flavor driven.

Random · Mar 13, 2016

Look at the computer in the beginning it was DOS based it sold OK.When programming like windows arrived it took off like a rocket.People want simple.They don't care how it works,they just want it to work well everytime.

pulsevape · Mar 13, 2016

yeah I agree fucking sub ohm tanks

VapeRN said:
@mikeyboy74 I don't think we'll see people vaping loose leaf tobacco, the attraction with the other plant is the active substance is vaporized at a lower temperature than combustion. Flavor is not a major reason to vaporize. Loose tobacco wouldn't be too pleasing I'd imagine, unless you used something flavorful like a pipe blend but really e-liquid is just so darn good why bother with the hassle of cleaning anything else.

I think we will begin to see more advanced 'closed system' tech like the Digirette. It's a promising new system for direct lung vaping that has gotten some very positive reviews. I think this is a step in the right direction and meets any regulatory concerns for the future.

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I think that heating lef tobacco in a ceramic chamber below combustion level is a real good idea.

Kinser · Mar 14, 2016

Has vaping hit a plateau? Maybe. That being said the plateau we're at now is pretty darn good. I remember back 3 years ago the highth of hardware was the ego twist with a Kanger T-3. That being said I've not bought a mod in months. I have two segelei 100w mods and they work just fine for me. Of course I also had to learn to build coils and so on, but I'm a diy on the juice part and that came with the territory.

I think a lot of the drop in activity will be coming from a lot of the fly by night folks dropping out and going on to the next quick cash thing with the reputable mixers, vendors and manufactures remaining. Much like computers were three decades ago, or the car a century ago.

As for China, I'm fine with China making hardware, not so fine with Chinese juice.

Troy Brown · Mar 14, 2016

I suppose it is just slowing a little.
We are all sitting here waiting for the next big accessory or something to pop up in front of us.
Maybe someone will improve on the "Click on, Click off" tanks/rda accessory so it is easier and faster to switch tanks & rda's on the fly instead of screwing them off and on, and maybe something different with those tanks and rda's other than just a cylinder tube we have all grown accustom to.

Catalyst · Mar 20, 2016

So we may be nearing a plateau, performance (quantity of vapor produced) wise. That being said, there is a limit on what the average human body can handle. 200 watts seems to be the norm (that a mod is capable of), personally I have never been over 150. Too hot. As far as atties, one only has so much lung capacity. I just picked up the 30mm VCMT. This thing is in a class of its own as far as vapor production. Nothing else comes close. It is like taking a rip from my TFV4 and my Mutation Xs at the same time. From a pure performance standpoint, I believe that Everest has finally been summited with this tank. I don't know how anyone can top this tank or ever will.

What I would like to see, and we may see due to our own limitations, is this;
A shift away from more power, bigger cloud, etc. A little more emphasis on quality. I'm excited about the new ceramic and solid state coils. Now if we coulld figure out the slow ramp time with those. I'd also like to see an improvement in battery technology, particularly bringing more longevity at higher power. And atties built that don't leak, and are not so finicky to re wick.

Catalyst · Mar 20, 2016

VapeRN said:
@mikeyboy74 I don't think we'll see people vaping loose leaf tobacco, the attraction with the other plant is the active substance is vaporized at a lower temperature than combustion. Flavor is not a major reason to vaporize. Loose tobacco wouldn't be too pleasing I'd imagine, unless you used something flavorful like a pipe blend but really e-liquid is just so darn good why bother with the hassle of cleaning anything else.

I think we will begin to see more advanced 'closed system' tech like the Digirette. It's a promising new system for direct lung vaping that has gotten some very positive reviews. I think this is a step in the right direction and meets any regulatory concerns for the future.

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Closed system? This Idea needs to go quietly into the night. A big part of the regulatory war is about getting rid of the "open systems". I could not have quit cigs without them. I cherish, and will continue to fight for, my freedom to vape whatever flavors and strength liquid that I choose. Including my own DIY. This " closed system " idea is one step close to one of the things that the pro regulation people want. The deeming regulations will ultimately hand control of our industry right back to big tobacco, because they will be the only ones who can afford to play the game. A closed system also plays right into the hands of one of the naysayers arguments: You don't know what's in that thing...

KKen · Mar 21, 2016

Closed system tanks will have very little affect on the "industry" since its very difficult to erase what has already been done. (rebuildables/DIY)

As for naysayers arguing you don't know what's in the closed systems, well, the same can be said for about 80% of the e-liquid industry.

OneOnOneFlavors · Mar 22, 2016

We have seen business grow year by year and I think vaping is just becoming more popular and the rules and regulations are gonna cut out juice lines that aren't in a iso certified lab. So they market won't be so saturated with a bunch of random juice lines.

Has Vaping hit a plateau ?

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