Supreme RDTA by SteamCrave

jefx · Mar 24, 2016

I just got my Supreme RDTA and thought I'd share some first impressions. *EDIT* to add that I payed full retail price for this tank from Steamcrave. I'm not a reviewer, just a user sharing my experiences.

Here it is next to some of my other favorite tanks: (L to R) Kayfun 4, Wotofo Serpent, Supreme RDTA, UD Bellus, OBS Crius

Here it is on my eVic VTC Mini: The VTC Mini is my most used device. The Supreme is a bit too big for it and overhangs slightly, but I don't see how that could negatively affect performance.

ej1024 · Mar 24, 2016

It's a 25mm base RDTA bro

Nice tank though

Vape On

jefx · Mar 24, 2016

Here is the build deck next to the Crius build deck:

Here are the actual airholes next to the Crius airholes:

The tank comes apart into many pieces. Be careful when you take it apart for the first time...... The "stopper pins" used to guide the juice flow control are not attached to the deck and will fall out upon disassembly. They are very small and can easily be lost. At least Steamcrave includes a spare set.

jefx · Mar 24, 2016

ej1024 said:
It's a 25mm base RDTA bro
Nice tank though

Vape On

I know that.

I'm just showing some size comparisons far anyone who's interested. Im sure some people would like to see it on a small device.

jefx · Mar 24, 2016

The drip tip is plastic (Delrin?) and tapers from wide at the top to narrow at the bottom, very similar to the Serpent drip tip. I like this design because it eliminates juice condensation from getting trapped in the the drip tip.

jefx · Mar 24, 2016

I threw in a simple build: 3.5mm ID 24 awg Ti1 7 wrap spaced. The high airflow and juice flow beg for some hotter builds, but I'm starting slow and will go with bigger builds as I get used to this tank.

It seemed like alot of cotton, but I'm getting a little gurgle with the JFC wide open and 70vg juice.

Here's the chimney compared to a Crius chimney:

HUGE airflow! The airflow at the smallest slot with 3.5mm coils is more open than the Crius wide open with 2.5mm coils. Tons of airflow and vapor with flavor just as good (or better) as any of my other tanks. It's actually a bit too much airflow for me. It's gonna take some time to dial in my builds for this tank.

The JFC works well, but it's a bit tight. Maybe it will loosen up with more use. The knurling at the top and bottom of the tank make disassembly very easy. The JFC also has some raised "ribs" to aid in gripping. In fact, every surface that can be adjusted or turned has some sort of grip aid.....either ribbing, or knurling. It's a nice touch that most tanks lack (looking at you, Boreas

).

Overall, I'm really impressed.

jefx · Mar 25, 2016

The top fill design is nearly perfect. With many top fill tanks, pressure builds up in the tank when the top cap is replaced. The Supreme sidesteps this issue with it's top cap. The threads are centered in the top cap and the seal only contacts the tank once it has been screwed down completely. This design allows air to escape the tank during the replacement of the top cap, reducing (or eliminating) any pressure build up during the process:

jefx · Mar 25, 2016

As an experiment, I left the Supreme on it's side with the JFC fully open for a couple hours on a paper towel. This was done with the above build in it (lots of cotton). It experienced some leakage:

jefx · Mar 25, 2016

I have since tried a vertical build using twisted 24awg ti1 3mm ID. The flavor is not quite as pronounced as it was with the horizontal build, but it is still as good or better than any of my other tanks. There is plenty of room in the deck to adjust the wicking with this style build. Juice flow on this deck is extreme.... so far with the 2 different builds and 4 full tanks of juice, I have been no where near a dry hit. With both builds, I have experienced occasional gurgling, but not actual flooding. No juice has reached my mouth.

With my other tanks that have JFC, I close them to fill and fully open them to vape, and I never use anything in-between. This may be the first one that requires me to actually "dial-in" a correct juice flow amount.

Juice flow and airflow are both "full throttle" with the Supreme. It is capable of builds and power that far exceed both my skill level and hardware. It is (by far) closer to a RDA experience than any other tank I have.

jefx · Mar 25, 2016

The Supreme RDTA is too much for my mods. All I have are a few mechs, a couple iSticks (30 and 50), a eVic VTC, and a VTC Mini. I can't keep my batteries charged fast enough, and the 75 watt limit of my VTC Mini is just barely capable of supplying this tank with what it needs (but not for very long). I have to keep swapping the Supreme out with a different tank just to be able to keep vaping.

I'm going to order a 200 watt mod and some extra batteries just for this tank. It is definitely asking for well over 100 watts. It's power hungry and eats 18650s for breakfast.

It's also surprisingly thirsty. I can easily vape through the whole 7MLs in a couple hours. I thought the larger capacity would keep me from filling it as often.... I was wrong. This is NOT a conservative tank by any means.

ej1024 · Mar 25, 2016

What's ur final conclusion? I'm tempted very much

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jefx · Mar 25, 2016

my conclusion..... Well I think it's worth every penny. Maybe more. If I lost or broke it today, I would immediately buy another one.
I like it so much that I'm about to drop another hundred bucks in gear just to power this tank effectively. It is about to completely change the way I vape.

It is a big tank, with huge airflow and juiceflow. It is very hungry and thirsty. For anyone considering it, make sure to have a powerful device, lots of batteries, and access to lots of juice.

It's pretty damn amazing, but be prepared to feed it.

Again, no one has paid me or compensated me for my opinions. I don't have any other Steamcrave devices, so I'm not just some fanboy either. These are simply my thoughts and opinions.

jefx · Mar 26, 2016

My VTC Mini was capable of running the Supreme at 160+ watts in bypass mode with the twisted Ti build shown above. No dry hits, just very warm dense, tasty vape. With the right build, it seems the Supreme would be capable of 200 watts. That's pretty insane.

It seems more than obvious that the Boreas and Supreme are direct competitors. But I don't have a Boreas for comparison. I'm sure either one would be a good choice for anyone looking at this type of tank.

My choice of buying the Supreme over the Boreas was subjective, but here's some reasons:

1. I liked the knurling on the Supreme. We all know that a juicy tank can be hard to open and adjust.
2. independent JFC and AFC. having them tied together means less options to tune the vape.
3. Looks. I just simply think the Supreme looks better. Especially the black one.

The fit and finish are excellent. There are no noticeable gaps, blemishes, or crunchy threads. Everything is smooth and tight. The threads are all machined very well and nothing tries to cross-thread during assembly. The JFC was very tight at the start, but it has been loosing up with use. It still has a nice resistance for adjustment and it stays where you put it. After some breaking-in, I like how it feels and hope it stays like this.

Pros:
7ML capacity
Big deck for large coils
Massive airflow
Huge wicking ability
Independent JFC/AFC
Knurling/ribbing everywhere
Nice drip tip
Excellent fit and finish
Capable of 150+ watts
Non-pressurizing top fill
Great vapor production AND flavor

Cons:
25mm form doesn't fit well on smaller mods
Tight JFC adjustment
JFC guide pins aren't attached and can fall out/get lost when disassembled
Power hungry....Does best over 100 watts
Thirsty....all that power drinks the juice
It can leak if stored with JFC/AFC open

This tank is best suited for vapers who prefer RDA performance. It requires alot of power and guzzles juice, but will cloud your living room like a Judas Priest concert. It is not at all suited for MTL vapers or anyone looking to conserve juice or battery power. It has a VERY airy draw that some people may not like. This tank begs for large complex builds and large multi-battery mods. An absolute cloud chaser tank that defines the term RDTA.

jefx · Mar 31, 2016

Update:
First I want to point out an oddity that I didn't notice at first. If you look at the following picture, you can see that the post holes are different sizes on the positive and negative posts. I don't know if this is a flaw or an intentional design choice, or even if other Supremes are like this, but It's worth pointing out.

ej1024 · Mar 31, 2016

jefx said:
Update:
First I want to point out an oddity that I didn't notice at first. If you look at the following picture, you can see that the post holes are different sizes on the positive and negative posts. I don't know if this is a flaw or an intentional design choice, or even if other Supremes are like this, but It's worth pointing out.
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Hah..

that's a flaw IMO

jefx · Mar 31, 2016

I also bought a Cuboid just because of the Supreme. My other mods weren't capable of supplying enough power. I then tried some fused claptons, But i'm just really not into the vape experience of clapton type builds. I've since went back to twisted 24awg Ti Grade 1. It's a simple build that works with Temp Control, and gives a vape experience that I really like.

At 110 watts in temp control, this is THE most satisfying vape I've ever had. Absolutely awesome! I am totally spoiled by this set-up and it's gonna be hard to continue using my 22mm tanks.

ej1024 · Mar 31, 2016

At this point I concluded I don't really need another tank... I have the following
Griffin
ALLERIA
3mutanks
Serpent
Been looking at the BOREAS, and this one
Umm for my VAPING needs, my tanks serves their purpose... Thanks for a complete review of this tank dude I appreciate it..

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jefx · Mar 31, 2016

No problem. Glad you got some use from it!

roxynoodle · Mar 31, 2016

I didn't notice different sized post holes on mine when I built it last night. Yours may be mismachined.

jefx · Mar 31, 2016

I guess its a flaw then.
I noticed a youtuber who also had mismatched post holes, but he didnt mention it in his video.

thunderdan · Mar 31, 2016

jefx said:
I guess its a flaw then.
I noticed a youtuber who also had mismatched post holes, but he didnt mention it in his video.

Kinda weird, but if that's the biggest flaw for you, I'd say that's not too shabby.

ej1024 · Mar 31, 2016

What about that 4ml version??

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thunderdan · Mar 31, 2016

ej1024 said:
What about that 4ml version??

VAPE IT

Give me one.

ej1024 · Mar 31, 2016

thunderdan said:
Give me one.

OOS

Scratch88683 · Apr 1, 2016

Just got gifted a supreme and so far I'm not too impressed it's definitely better than the original aromamizer rdta. I'm still getting better flavor from my griffin and mutank. I still got to test some different builds I tried a 22g Kanthal horizontal and didn't like it but I might of used too much wick, and I tried a fused Clapton 2x26g Nichrome 80 wrapped with 40g Kanthal verticles coils and it's better but still not what I was expecting. I guess I'll try a titanium build like posted above but I'm not expecting much. I think the problem is still the juice system it tastes like the wicks are getting "choked". I will say I like everything else about it it looks nice has great airflow and top fill

jefx · Apr 1, 2016

Wicks getting choked? Hmm. I gotta say that mine wicks really well with every build ive put in it..... almost too well sometimes.

I use titanium just because I really like it. Clean taste, and temp control, but I dont think it would affect the wicking properties of the tank.

Try thinning out the base of the wicks..... I havent needed to do that with the Supreme, but it helps alot with many of my other tanks.

Scratch88683 · Apr 1, 2016

jefx said:
Wicks getting choked? Hmm. I gotta say that mine wicks really well with every build ive put in it..... almost too well sometimes.

I use titanium just because I really like it. Clean taste, and temp control, but I dont think it would affect the wicking properties of the tank.

Try thinning out the base of the wicks..... I havent needed to do that with the Supreme, but it helps alot with many of my other tanks.

Yea I'm still playing around with it I put 7 wrap 3.5mm spaced titanium build in it and I was getting good flavor but something was burning like what you get when you have little cotton fibers burning and I can't figure out where it was coming from I thought maybe I didn't cut one of my leads properly and maybe it was hitting the cotton. So I tried movingthe cotton away from the post but it was still doing it. So I pulled that build out and replaced it with a 6 wrap 3mm spaced titanium coil and it's working pretty good I'm not getting the burning taste now. Still not sure if I like it better than the griffin it's close I love the airflow.

Scratch88683 · Apr 1, 2016

Here's a picture

Scratch88683 · Apr 1, 2016

So actually I like it a lot now that I have the coils and wick right I won't be sure for a few more days but right now I'd say it's better than the griffin and I love the griffin. I'm running it at 100 watts and it's not even getting hot, I tried it at 110 and it was working well but when I tried taking a big Vape it started to burn the cotton a little but at 100 it's fine.

ej1024 · Apr 1, 2016

You have to try the BOREAS scratch88683

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Scratch88683 · Apr 2, 2016

ej1024 said:
You have to try the BOREAS scratch88683

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Yea I was going to buy one of those today but then someone gave me the Supreme. Is there really that much of a difference?

jefx · Apr 3, 2016

Scratch88683 said:
Yea I was going to buy one of those today but then someone gave me the Supreme. Is there really that much of a difference?

I don't have a Boreas to compare, but from everything I've read and watched, they are really about the same. Preference for one over the other mostly seems to be subjective differences. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Lamborghini....... they are both at the top end of their class.

jefx · Apr 3, 2016

One feature of the Supreme that doesnt seem to get much attention is the topfill design.

It is the most perfect design ive ever used. There is NO pressurization when putting it back on. That means, no burping, no turning it upside down, no leaking (from filling), or any of the other problems most tanks have.

Just close the JFC, fill it up, open the JFC and vape.

ej1024 · Apr 3, 2016

Ok jefx, my 22 mm tanks are looking too damn small, I lied!!! I said I'm ok with 22mm...
I got to have the supreme BLACK

got the BORE ASS IN BLACK Too!!! GEEZ SMFH!!

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jefx · Apr 3, 2016

Lol! right on ej1024!

I think the Supreme and Boreas are both awesome choices, and they both seem to achieve about the same vaping experience. You can't go wrong with either.

The Boreas is a better buy, if price is a concern. But the Supreme has a couple really nice features for the few extra bucks.

If you get both, I would love to hear your thoughts.

The Boreas will be my next tank.

ej1024 · Apr 3, 2016

Aren't you the one who told me about the COUPON ON FT MAP?? @jefx $35 dolla shipped.. JUMPED ON THE BITCH QUICK, cancelled my Griffin 25 so I did have funds on my PP

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SeniorBoy · Apr 3, 2016

OP, very nice review.

My fav feature of the Supreme V2 is the ability to remove the deck without the need to empty the tank. Great for trying new builds as I continue to experiment. A close second is the knurling and the ridges/bumps on the JC and AFC which makes turning the little things easy. Although I don't have a Boreas yet, I'm sure it's also a great delivery device. Roxy knows her stuff.

Scratch88683 · Apr 3, 2016

jefx said:
Lol! right on ej1024!

I think the Supreme and Boreas are both awesome choices, and they both seem to achieve about the same vaping experience. You can't go wrong with either.

The Boreas is a better buy, if price is a concern. But the Supreme has a couple really nice features for the few extra bucks.

If you get both, I would love to hear your thoughts.

The Boreas will be my next tank.

I feel the same way I'm really loving the Supreme right now I'm really surprised but I have to admit it's a great tank. I'm even using it more then my drippers and I prefer drippers until now lol and I also kind of want the boreas just because it has bigger build deck it's between the boreas and the griffin 25. Probably gonna get them both lol. 1 interesting thing I saw today was Mike vapes new review of the boreas is saying the boreas is actually only 7ml not 8ml like they are saying

roxynoodle · Apr 4, 2016

Scratch88683 said:
I feel the same way I'm really loving the Supreme right now I'm really surprised but I have to admit it's a great tank. I'm even using it more then my drippers and I prefer drippers until now lol and I also kind of want the boreas just because it has bigger build deck it's between the boreas and the griffin 25. Probably gonna get them both lol. 1 interesting thing I saw today was Mike vapes new review of the boreas is saying the boreas is actually only 7ml not 8ml like they are saying

Yeah, I measured twice though using a Terumo 10ml syringe so not sure what to say. He was closer to 7.5 if you look closely at his syringes. But, I got 8ml on the dot the first time. I filled my syringe to 10 when I did it. The second time, including priming the wicks, I got to 8.5ml. So I felt it's an 8ml tank.

Scratch88683 · Apr 4, 2016

roxynoodle said:
Yeah, I measured twice though using a Terumo 10ml syringe so not sure what to say. He was closer to 7.5 if you look closely at his syringes. But, I got 8ml on the dot the first time. I filled my syringe to 10 when I did it. The second time, including priming the wicks, I got to 8.5ml. So I felt it's an 8ml tank.

Yea I I have no idea he said the same thing about another tank I don't remember which one it was but in that video he was saying he only has the one syringe which I found weird because they usually come in packs of ten. Being a vape reviewer u'd think he would have more. I have probably 20 10ml syringes and 20 1ml syringes but I also diy my own juice. If your gonna judge companies tank size's you should at least have proper tools I mean a bag of 10 10ml syringes costs like $3. He's not my favorite reviewer he OK at best. Some places definately lie though I know the mutank hold a mill less then it's supposed to and everyone is saying the griffin 25 holds less then 6.2 it's more like 5. Either way I don't think 1 mill really matters unless it was a small tank to begin with like if it says it's supposed to hold 2 and it only held 1 that would be pretty ridiculous lol.

roxynoodle · Apr 4, 2016

Scratch88683 said:
Yea I I have no idea he said the same thing about another tank I don't remember which one it was but in that video he was saying he only has the one syringe which I found weird because they usually come in packs of ten. Being a vape reviewer u'd think he would have more. I have probably 20 10ml syringes and 20 1ml syringes but I also diy my own juice. If your gonna judge companies tank size's you should at least have proper tools I mean a bag of 10 10ml syringes costs like $3. He's not my favorite reviewer he OK at best. Some places definately lie though I know the mutank hold a mill less then it's supposed to and everyone is saying the griffin 25 holds less then 6.2 it's more like 5. Either way I don't think 1 mill really matters unless it was a small tank to begin with like if it says it's supposed to hold 2 and it only held 1 that would be pretty ridiculous lol.

I did run my test on the prototype, but it's so close to the final one I don't see how we lost a ml. I will recheck it though.

Wabah58 · Apr 4, 2016

Im about a week into vaping on the Supreme. Was using 3 regular Aromamizer v1 rdta up untill then. Pretty impressed with the Supreme. I settled on using in on the RX200 mod and sits perfect on it, and has the power to hit it good, and the 3 18650's help. I do use a lot more cotton on my builds with the supreme than I do with the v1. For me I can slap almost anything in it and always delivers big juicy vapes, I can't understand how anybody could get dry hits from it. The juice feed holes and juice flow is big. Im a penny pincher and was a little hesitant on ordering because of the price, but I did use the 20% off coupon and I can say for sure it was worth every penny. And wow it eats more juice than my drippers seems like

Here is a pic when I was running it on my quad 18650 mod with a 30 mm 510 pad.

Mikhail Naumov · Apr 4, 2016

This RDTA gives better flavor than the Moonshot, and any other tank I own. I love this thing so much. At first I liked it better than the Boreas, now I'd say they're about equal. They both have their wheel house corners, things each does a little better. I think the Supreme has a nicer fit and finish, little easier on taking it apart and gives better flavor, while I feel the Boreas is better for 150W+ builds and cl0udz br0. I love them both, but I honestly find myself using my Supreme more than my Boreas. The new Smok TF-RDTA is the only over 22mm RDTA I know of besides the Supreme and the Boreas, but it's not out yet and honestly doesn't look as promising as either of the 25mm RDTA's we already have. Typical Smoktech, favors cheapness over quality.

Also, it's not a flaw on your Supreme, the positive post holes are definitely noticeably larger than the negative post holes. It's not really a con, as both holes are big enough to fit my staple/fused/transformer clapton wire, but it's definitely an odd design choice. Doesn't take away from the tank at all though.

SeniorBoy · Apr 4, 2016

Just got my V2 a few days ago. Lots to like with this delivery device.

I have a question: I ran dual Claptons in both vertical and horizontal configuration. Wicked with KGD using the prebuilt UD coils. ID 2.6 and I ran around 60 watts. I'm getting dripping juice out of the AFC. Call it spitback through the AFC when I fire. I played with the JC and AFC settings and no help. This is 65/35 juice. It's not vapor perspiration but juice. Any tips? Then I switched to a vanilla dual Kanthal horizontal build with KGD and no more juice leaks. Great vape! I'm stumped and would appreciate any tips. Here is a pic of the old build which produces juice dribbles out of the AFC:

roxynoodle · Apr 4, 2016

Only when you lay it down, or all the time?

SeniorBoy · Apr 4, 2016

When I fire/vape it. I don't lay it down on it's side so to speak.

roxynoodle · Apr 4, 2016

Ok, I would shut down your jfc and vape off the flooding. Then adjust the jfc bit by bit until you hit on the right amount. I only have one Supreme, and have a horizontal build in it. I do have a vertical in a Boreas and haven't had issues despite running wide open. I have 4mm coils in Boreas, but maybe 3.5mm would fit in the Supreme. Maybe 4mm fit, but I'm not sure.

Heru-Ur · Apr 4, 2016

roxynoodle said:
Ok, I would shut down your jfc and vape off the flooding. Then adjust the jfc bit by bit until you hit on the right amount. I only have one Supreme, and have a horizontal build in it. I do have a vertical in a Boreas and haven't had issues despite running wide open. I have 4mm coils in Boreas, but maybe 3.5mm would fit in the Supreme. Maybe 4mm fit, but I'm not sure.

Are those 4mm coils vertical? Maybe i'm using some fat wire but i didn't think bigger then 3.5mm would fit.

ej1024 · Apr 4, 2016

So you can't LAY BOTH TANKS?

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roxynoodle · Apr 4, 2016

Heru-Ur said:
Are those 4mm coils vertical? Maybe i'm using some fat wire but i didn't think bigger then 3.5mm would fit.

Yes, vertical. All my horizontal builds in Boreas are 3.5mm. All of them have been Claptons of some type. My vertical is 26 x 2/32.

ej1024 said:
So you can't LAY BOTH TANKS?

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I think you can if you invert them to drain the chamber back into the glass part, then shut your afc and jfc.

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