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Want to upgrade from my Bellus, what RTA would you recommend?
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I vote for the Boreas. I have a handful of tanks, but this one is hands down the easiest to build, and it'll handle just about anything. I'm currently running dual fused Clapton's at 0.2ohms. The airflow and flavor are fantastic. It also holds ~8ml's, which is a good thing, because it can chug some juice.
I say Griffin. Great rta. Good flavour, hasn't sucked juice like crazy no matter what build I put on it and easy to build. I want to get my hands on the Avocado. I think that will be an interesting experience. Never even seen a genesis tank and think will be amazing.
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What specifically about the Bellus do you not like anymore? Or, is there a feature it lacks that you want?
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I was thinking the same thing when I read the OP's post
The Belus is quite a good performer To get a substantially better vape experience IMO you need one of these Bigger 25mm tanks like a Boreas or a Supreme. These tanks have some disadvantages also, like juice consumption and size, there big and over hang on a lot of mods.
Thanks guys, helps narrow it down for me!
I still like Bellus a lot, and still plan to use it. Mainly it's that I want to pick up a second good RTA that I can switch between. After months of using the Bellus, in the span of a couple weeks I've manages to break both glass chambers that came with it. I was able to tape up the back up (it didn't shatter, only cracked), and I have 5 replacements coming from FT, but I'm an expat living in central Mexico, so I've realized I definitely need some backup RTAs. It pushed me to finally get around to building the RBA head for my crown, but the diminished airflow didn't quite do it for me.
The only real requirement that I have is that it's 22mm so it can fit on my Sig 100 (I guess that eliminates the Boreas from consideration for the time being ). And ideally it can be found for under $30 on efun, or FT or similar, somewhere I can purchase a bunch of other stuff for my little e-cig business I have down here. And obviously a bigger build deck than the Bellus offers would be nice.
Looks like efun has both the 22mm Griffin and 22mm Avacado, both about $20. Maybe I'll just pick up both, though I'm not exactly a gear collector (too cheap!).
I still like Bellus a lot, and still plan to use it. Mainly it's that I want to pick up a second good RTA that I can switch between. After months of using the Bellus, in the span of a couple weeks I've manages to break both glass chambers that came with it. I was able to tape up the back up (it didn't shatter, only cracked), and I have 5 replacements coming from FT, but I'm an expat living in central Mexico, so I've realized I definitely need some backup RTAs. It pushed me to finally get around to building the RBA head for my crown, but the diminished airflow didn't quite do it for me.
The only real requirement that I have is that it's 22mm so it can fit on my Sig 100 (I guess that eliminates the Boreas from consideration for the time being
). And ideally it can be found for under $30 on efun, or FT or similar, somewhere I can purchase a bunch of other stuff for my little e-cig business I have down here. And obviously a bigger build deck than the Bellus offers would be nice.Looks like efun has both the 22mm Griffin and 22mm Avacado, both about $20. Maybe I'll just pick up both, though I'm not exactly a gear collector (too cheap!).
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The Boreas doesn't overhang the Sigelei by much, but some are bothered by that.
22mm: Conqueror is a good flavor atty like the Bellus, but mine has a broken juice control, so that has been disappointing. However, it seems to be a one off issue.
The Alleria is also a great flavor atty with a similar vape to the Bellus.
I hear great things about the Avocado, but don't have one yet.
The Griffin has a ton of fans, including me.
22mm: Conqueror is a good flavor atty like the Bellus, but mine has a broken juice control, so that has been disappointing. However, it seems to be a one off issue.
The Alleria is also a great flavor atty with a similar vape to the Bellus.
I hear great things about the Avocado, but don't have one yet.
The Griffin has a ton of fans, including me.
Avocado really isn't a genesis tank. Genesis-style maybe, only because of a build deck above a tank.
My old aga and rsst gennies get mad at me when I call the cado a genesis.
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If you want a 22mm I'd go with the griffin it's popular for a reason. The boreas is better but its bigger so if you absolutely won't go over 22 mm then go with the griffin
I have a bellus, & can understand why u want an upgrade. In fact, never use it anymore, but my wife does as a MTL atty.
If you want to stay with 22mm, the avacado is excellent, but the tank is way too small, I'm constantly filling it. It can do dual coils, but is a pain to fill (need a hypo). I build it with a single coil, gives great flavor & vape .... Puts the bellus to shame.
If u don't want to deal with the tiny tank of the avocado, get a Griffin. Superb atty in all aspects, and if it wasn't for Roxy, would be the atty of the year.
But I strongly rec upgrading to a 25mm, so what if it hangs over a hair, were talking function over form here. Hit the Buy buttton on the Boreas, you will not be disappointed.
If you want to stay with 22mm, the avacado is excellent, but the tank is way too small, I'm constantly filling it. It can do dual coils, but is a pain to fill (need a hypo). I build it with a single coil, gives great flavor & vape .... Puts the bellus to shame.
If u don't want to deal with the tiny tank of the avocado, get a Griffin. Superb atty in all aspects, and if it wasn't for Roxy, would be the atty of the year.
But I strongly rec upgrading to a 25mm, so what if it hangs over a hair, were talking function over form here. Hit the Buy buttton on the Boreas, you will not be disappointed.
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Fwiw I stuffed twisted 24ga titanium duals in my Bellus. 5 wraps each, .08 ohms. 195 watts, 520 degrees. Airholes between half and 3/4 open.
Flavor is on point, and I can cloud a room with the best of em.
...Goblin Mini suits my wife well though.
Another big fan of the Avacado. Capacity is not great, but it makes up for that in vape quality.
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Lol.I ruined the Griffin? Lol! Technically, it came out in 2015 so it's safe
The avocado ruined my bellus.
The Griffin ruined my avocado.
The boreas ruined my griffin.
So I dont wanna hear a damn thing about your upcoming Merlin. I'm broke
As soon as I tried closing the airholes a bit, mine stopped leaking. Fully open and it would sometimes weep a bit of juice. My coils are ridiculously high off the deck too, a necessity due to the limited deck to chimney clearance. Make sure to poke the tails of the wick as far away from the bottom airflow hole as possible too.
It does flood a bit if I'm not quick on the refill though. Squeeze style bottles like Unicorn bottles work well. (Quick fill, then quickly get the topcap screwed back on.) On the other hand, multiple squirts from an eye dropper, or take too long getting the topcap into place, and I'm forced to blow out the excess... which can be a downer.
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Bottom fill it through the juice slots if you're using an eye dropper.
I was talking about the Bellus leaking, not the Boreas. Not sure about bottom filling through the Bellus' air intake, unless you've had luck doing so?
I'm not a fan of pulling the deck from the Bellus when it's not necessary to fill that way. Too much risk of misadjusting my wicks causing more leaking, or tweaking my build so it shorts on the chimney. And my hands get covered in juice, lol.
Boreas hasn't leaked a drop. Nailed everything on the first try on the Boreas, and even did my first sleeper build. Used the same twisted 24ga titanium and had a ton of room to spare in the post holes. I was thoroughly impressed.
Wicked it with rayon, cut so just touching the deck, primed it, assembled it, filled it, and have been simply loving it.
Boreas is my new adv, replacing the tfv4.
Bellus sits home looking pretty on the black and red Rx.
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I meant the Bellus. You don't have to take the deck out. I've never done it, but a lot of people do.
Wild. I wouldn't have expected to be able to do it without making a mess... or at the very least pulling the bottom cap and afc ring... topfill works just fine for me though, but more options are always more better.
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Huh? Without taking the deck out, how would you access the juice slots from the bottom without taking the deck out?
My mistake, you do have to pull the deck on the Bellus. I did say I've never done it
Well, there were a lot of people on ecf that couldn't get it top filled without leaks, so I suggested bottom filling it, and they were happier.
No worries Roxy.
Y'all make some good points. Now that I think about it, it's a bit silly to restrict myself to another 22mm RTA, considering considering something like overhang isn't the type of thing that would bug me. I do like vaping under 50 watts, for instance I've been greatly enjoying my Bellus with dual parallel 30 gauge, .4 ohm, at 28 or 28 watts. Its rather slow ramp up allows me to achieve a kind of hybrid MTL/DL vape. A bit MTL for the first 1.5 secs or so, and then direct to lung for the next 2.5 or so. I like it, and obviously the battery life it get is good, but I think that's partly why I'm ready for an "upgrade." Something in which I can build some chunky coils for a more intense DL experience.
I guess one question I have is how much these 25mm tanks really have to offer over their 22mm counterparts. Say, for instance, we compare the Griffin 22mm vs the 25mm version. Both are available from efun (I'd really like to just add my new RTA to a larger order of supplies for my little vaping business). I'm a clapton virgin; I guess that'd be the main reason to go with the 25mm? Having more space to fit chunkier claptons? Also, any thoughts on the standard vs top airflow versions of the 25mm Griffin?
Y'all make some good points. Now that I think about it, it's a bit silly to restrict myself to another 22mm RTA, considering considering something like overhang isn't the type of thing that would bug me. I do like vaping under 50 watts, for instance I've been greatly enjoying my Bellus with dual parallel 30 gauge, .4 ohm, at 28 or 28 watts. Its rather slow ramp up allows me to achieve a kind of hybrid MTL/DL vape. A bit MTL for the first 1.5 secs or so, and then direct to lung for the next 2.5 or so. I like it, and obviously the battery life it get is good, but I think that's partly why I'm ready for an "upgrade." Something in which I can build some chunky coils for a more intense DL experience.
I guess one question I have is how much these 25mm tanks really have to offer over their 22mm counterparts. Say, for instance, we compare the Griffin 22mm vs the 25mm version. Both are available from efun (I'd really like to just add my new RTA to a larger order of supplies for my little vaping business). I'm a clapton virgin; I guess that'd be the main reason to go with the 25mm? Having more space to fit chunkier claptons? Also, any thoughts on the standard vs top airflow versions of the 25mm Griffin?
When I went to vaping, I was never ever about clouds. I didn't see the point of burning through more juice. So I had high nic. But VG is much much nicer to me than PG. And once you start making clouds, low nic is much nicer than high. From Kanger, to Crown, to Griffin, to VCMT, to Boreas. And that is in less than a year and high PG 12 mg nic. I'm now max VG at 3 mg and I think that is too high on the Boreas. Don't even waste your time on the VCMT.
Bottom line is what do you want? Right now the Griffin is King of "normal" RTAs. Puts out all you can take in. No fuss, easy to build, great flavor. Big deck has plenty of room for "normal". And some have stuffed some really big builds in.
There is no real need to go to 25 mm unless you simply want "more". If you do... Boreas is it right now. Fuck me.... Great flavor, easy as heck to build, and even easier to wick... as in cut it, stuff it, and you are done. Nothing to it. You might have to lower your nic. You will go through more juice. If "more" is not what you are looking for then Griffin is it. If you want room to stretch... Boreas is going to be the ticket. I love my Griffin and still use it. I see no point in a 25mm version. Well... I really wanted it till I got the Boreas.
The Griffin is a great pocket tank. The capacity is small, but not that small. It is now my back up and is easy to switch flavors with the smaller capacity. The Boreas is on another level. So my point was get the Griffin if you want a tank. It's great. If you want bigger or 25mm... Boreas hands down. I have a couple nit picks, but it's performance can't be beat. Well... not this month at least.
Bottom line is what do you want? Right now the Griffin is King of "normal" RTAs. Puts out all you can take in. No fuss, easy to build, great flavor. Big deck has plenty of room for "normal". And some have stuffed some really big builds in.
There is no real need to go to 25 mm unless you simply want "more". If you do... Boreas is it right now. Fuck me.... Great flavor, easy as heck to build, and even easier to wick... as in cut it, stuff it, and you are done. Nothing to it. You might have to lower your nic. You will go through more juice. If "more" is not what you are looking for then Griffin is it. If you want room to stretch... Boreas is going to be the ticket. I love my Griffin and still use it. I see no point in a 25mm version. Well... I really wanted it till I got the Boreas.
The Griffin is a great pocket tank. The capacity is small, but not that small. It is now my back up and is easy to switch flavors with the smaller capacity. The Boreas is on another level. So my point was get the Griffin if you want a tank. It's great. If you want bigger or 25mm... Boreas hands down. I have a couple nit picks, but it's performance can't be beat. Well... not this month at least.
I've been using a 22mm Griffin for the past month or two and I love this thing. I am running 22g/36g ka1 claptons in this thing. Used a 3.0mm diameter and had plenty of room. I've even seen pics of people doing 4 coils (2 per set of holes), I'm not that gutsy though. It's a great adv and travel tank when I'm not using my rda's.
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If you want a simple and very well made tank, the Sense RTA. The airflow and flavor on that thing is amazing. Seconded, by the Aromanizer Supreme.
*whispers in ear* You want a Griffin. hehe
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Cut the wick to the top of the deck. Just long enough for the ring to contain the ends in place. Done. I was skeptical about cutting wick that short. Thought I needed more wick in the channel to avoid leaks. But it wicks like a champ, and zero leakage. Been perfect every since. Not a pita at all. Hold to the deck and cut. I agree the Boreas is even easier. But like I said, it's on a whole other level for production.
I really wanted to love the VCMT. Quality substantial build. But just something wrong with design of juice holes and tank vacuum. Juice either runs out, or doesn't wick. No 8n between at all. No wick is right. Runs out or dry hits. That tank is totally frustrating. The air flow is the smoothest quietest I have ever used though. Such a shame.
My vote is for the diablo. It's 22mm and has the biggest deck of any 22m. It's a shortie style tank but the flavor is awesome. Also the glass on the bellus and diablo are interchangeable.Thanks guys, helps narrow it down for me!
I still like Bellus a lot, and still plan to use it. Mainly it's that I want to pick up a second good RTA that I can switch between. After months of using the Bellus, in the span of a couple weeks I've manages to break both glass chambers that came with it. I was able to tape up the back up (it didn't shatter, only cracked), and I have 5 replacements coming from FT, but I'm an expat living in central Mexico, so I've realized I definitely need some backup RTAs. It pushed me to finally get around to building the RBA head for my crown, but the diminished airflow didn't quite do it for me.
The only real requirement that I have is that it's 22mm so it can fit on my Sig 100 (I guess that eliminates the Boreas from consideration for the time being
Looks like efun has both the 22mm Griffin and 22mm Avacado, both about $20. Maybe I'll just pick up both, though I'm not exactly a gear collector (too cheap!).
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I really like my Billow V2 when it comes to 22mm tanks. I haven't tried the Billow V3 yet but I can say my V2 never leaks.
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