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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jul/09/vaping-heart-health-electronic-cigarettes/

So Vaping and "maybe", "possibly" heart problems

Or

Smoking and:


Smoking and Increased Health Risks
Smokers are more likely than nonsmokers to develop heart disease, stroke, and lung cancer.1

  • Smoking is estimated to increase the risk—
    • For coronary heart disease by 2 to 4 times1,6
    • For stroke by 2 to 4 times1
    • Of men developing lung cancer by 25 times1
    • Of women developing lung cancer by 25.7 times1
  • Smoking causes diminished overall health, increased absenteeism from work, and increased health care utilization and cost.1
Smoking and Cardiovascular Disease
Smokers are at greater risk for diseases that affect the heart and blood vessels (cardiovascular disease).1,2

  • Smoking causes stroke and coronary heart disease, which are among the leading causes of death in the United States.1,3
  • Even people who smoke fewer than five cigarettes a day can have early signs of cardiovascular disease.1
  • Smoking damages blood vessels and can make them thicken and grow narrower. This makes your heart beat faster and your blood pressure go up. Clots can also form.1,2
  • A stroke occurs when a clot blocks the blood flow to part of your brain or when a blood vessel in or around your brain bursts.1,2
  • Blockages caused by smoking can also reduce blood flow to your legs and skin.1,2
Smoking and Respiratory Disease
Smoking can cause lung disease by damaging your airways and the small air sacs (alveoli) found in your lungs.1,2

  • Lung diseases caused by smoking include COPD, which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis.1,2
  • Cigarette smoking causes most cases of lung cancer.1,2
  • If you have asthma, tobacco smoke can trigger an attack or make an attack worse.1,2
  • Smokers are 12 to 13 times more likely to die from COPD than nonsmokers.1
Smoking and Cancer
Smoking can cause cancer almost anywhere in your body:1,2 (See figure above)

  • Bladder
  • Blood (acute myeloid leukemia)
  • Cervix
  • Colon and rectum (colorectal)
  • Esophagus
  • Kidney and ureter
  • Larynx
  • Liver
  • Oropharynx (includes parts of the throat, tongue, soft palate, and the tonsils)
  • Pancreas
  • Stomach
  • Trachea, bronchus, and lung
Smoking also increases the risk of dying from cancer and other diseases in cancer patients and survivors.1

If nobody smoked, one of every three cancer deaths in the United States would not happen.1,2

Smoking and Other Health Risks
Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body and affects a person’s overall health.1,2

  • Smoking can make it harder for a woman to become pregnant and can affect her baby's health before and after birth. Smoking increases risks for:1,2,5
    • Preterm (early) delivery
    • Stillbirth (death of the baby before birth)
    • Low birth weight
    • Sudden infant death syndrome (known as SIDS or crib death)
    • Ectopic pregnancy
    • Orofacial clefts in infants
  • Smoking can also affect men's sperm, which can reduce fertility and also increase risks for birth defects and miscarriage.2
  • Smoking can affect bone health.1,5
    • Women past childbearing years who smoke have weaker bones than women who never smoked, and are at greater risk for broken bones.
  • Smoking affects the health of your teeth and gums and can cause tooth loss.1
  • Smoking can increase your risk for cataracts (clouding of the eye’s lens that makes it hard for you to see) and age-related macular degeneration (damage to a small spot near the center of the retina, the part of the eye needed for central vision).1
  • Smoking is a cause of type 2 diabetes mellitus and can make it harder to control. The risk of developing diabetes is 30–40% higher for active smokers than nonsmokers.1,2
  • Smoking causes general adverse effects on the body, including inflammation and decreased immune function.1
  • Smoking is a cause of rheumatoid arthritis.1
    (Source: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/effects_cig_smoking/ )

IS IT REALLY THAT TOUGH OF A FUCKING DECISION??? - 5150
 
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Clive Bates (quoted in article) said (in article) what l was going to say, so l will just repeat it.

"The only research that needs to be done is on e-liquid that contains no nicotine. The affects that nicotine has on the body is well researched & documented"

So in the words of ej

SAVE YOUR MONEY DO CORRECT RESEARCH
 
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All I know anything about is my own "anecdotal" evidence/supposition. Heart disease gallops thru my father's family; his father died of heart disease, just so many heart attacks over his life, it just wore his heart out. Though it was lung cancer that got my dad, he suffered hypertension and angina, so he evidently had it too.

I have suffered minor arrhythmias from time to time, almost always when I'm under a lot of stress, and/or overdoing caffeine. I'm sure my smoking didn't help it any. A couple years before I finally found and switched to vaping, I had started suffering some rather scary chest pains, now and then; sudden, very fast and fleeting, gone before I could even gasp, but the kind that feels like a horse just stomped on your chest, just beside your sternum. I figure it was the onset of angina. Possibly even mild heart attacks, though that seems a rather hypochondriac speculation. :D But since I started vaping? At first, when I was trying to find the right nic level and was still very new to smoking cessation, I had some mild arrhythmia a few times, always seemingly related to the nic level I was vaping -- I had to go lower at night, or my heart pounded when I tried to sleep. But the crushing, breath-taking pain? Not a single one. That seems like a fairly drastic improvement. Lately, I'm down to 4mg, and I don't get the skipped-beat anymore either -- unless I drink Dr Pepper all day or something. :D

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AndriaD said:
All I know anything about is my own "anecdotal" evidence/supposition. Heart disease gallops thru my father's family; his father died of heart disease, just so many heart attacks over his life, it just wore his heart out. Though it was lung cancer that got my dad, he suffered hypertension and angina, so he evidently had it too.

I have suffered minor arrhythmias from time to time, almost always when I'm under a lot of stress, and/or overdoing caffeine. I'm sure my smoking didn't help it any. A couple years before I finally found and switched to vaping, I had started suffering some rather scary chest pains, now and then; sudden, very fast and fleeting, gone before I could even gasp, but the kind that feels like a horse just stomped on your chest, just beside your sternum. I figure it was the onset of angina. Possibly even mild heart attacks, though that seems a rather hypochondriac speculation. :D But since I started vaping? At first, when I was trying to find the right nic level and was still very new to smoking cessation, I had some mild arrhythmia a few times, always seemingly related to the nic level I was vaping -- I had to go lower at night, or my heart pounded when I tried to sleep. But the crushing, breath-taking pain? Not a single one. That seems like a fairly drastic improvement. Lately, I'm down to 4mg, and I don't get the skipped-beat anymore either -- unless I drink Dr Pepper all day or something. :D

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All the signs & symptoms of too much nic. (This is what all those decades of tabacco research as taught us), the most obvious cause as symptoms stopped when you found your tolerance level. (I know you know this). On sat for the 1st time in 7 years of vaping. I over dosed on nic. Tapped out on 36mls. My daily amount 48ml. Vaped to quickly whilst watching Wimbledon. No warming just :bomb: nausea, dizziness, sweating, abdo pain & tremor. Not nice:(. Revised daily amount to 32ml.
 
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All the signs & symptoms of too much nic. (This is what all those decades of tabacco research as taught us), the most obvious cause as symptoms stopped when you found your tolerance level. (I know you know this). On sat for the 1st time in 7 years of vaping. I over dosed on nic. Tapped out on 36mls. My daily amount 48ml. Vaped to quickly whilst watching Wimbledon. No warming just :bomb: nausea, dizziness, sweating, abdo pain & tremor. Not nice:(. Revised daily amount to 32ml.
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That's why I think "nicotine addiction" is a complete myth. Now that we're no longer inhaling all those chemicals that force our bodies to disregard the fact that we're inhaling hot poison, one's tolerance for nicotine seems to drop quite automatically, though of course everyone differs on how long it takes. It's a recurrent pattern. But truly addictive drugs cause increasing tolerance, not decreasing. :D

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AndriaD said:
That's why I think "nicotine addiction" is a complete myth. Now that we're no longer inhaling all those chemicals that force our bodies to disregard the fact that we're inhaling hot poison, one's tolerance for nicotine seems to drop quite automatically, though of course everyone differs on how long it takes. It's a recurrent pattern. But truly addictive drugs cause increasing tolerance, not decreasing. :D

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Is nicotine addictive and how addictive is it? This information is all ready known. The answer is yes. How addictive, l would need to do a google search or phone a friend or two and read a lot of papers. However we can all test it now. Vape 0% nic and see how long you can last without it. I have some 0% nic. I'll give it a try with others!
BTW - my nic has gone up! From 9mg daily (l also smoked & vaped 9mg. It states how much nic is in cigs in Europe) for 27 years to 48ml now down to 32ml, in just 4 months.

Edit: That is why Mr Bates said we only need to do research on 0% e juice.
 
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gingerbread said:
Is nicotine addictive and how addictive is it? This information is all ready known. The answer is yes. How addictive, l would need to do a google search or phone a friend or two and read a lot of papers. However we can all test it now. Vape 0% nic and see how long you can last without it. I have some 0% nic. I'll give it a try with others!
BTW - my nic has gone up! From 9mg daily (l also smoked & vaped 9mg. It states how much nic is in cigs in Europe) for 27 years to 48ml now down to 32ml, in just 4 months.
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9mg daily really is low. I vape 4mg, about 5ml a day, so about 20mg a day, roughly. Which is extremely low.

You won't get much joy from "searching" about nicotine's "addictiveness" -- "public health" is still thumping that dead horse about it being the most addictive substance blah blah blah, and it just ain't so. It's a conspiracy between BP, the FDA, and "public health," for MONEY.

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AndriaD said:
That's why I think "nicotine addiction" is a complete myth. Now that we're no longer inhaling all those chemicals that force our bodies to disregard the fact that we're inhaling hot poison, one's tolerance for nicotine seems to drop quite automatically, though of course everyone differs on how long it takes. It's a recurrent pattern. But truly addictive drugs cause increasing tolerance, not decreasing.
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Tolerance or desire for nic doesn't drop for everyone. Mine has been rock steady at a fairly high level for over two years now. But since I'm not smoking, I'm entirely OK with that.
 
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gingerbread said:
Is nicotine addictive and how addictive is it? This information is all ready known. The answer is yes. How addictive, l would need to do a google search or phone a friend or two and read a lot of papers. However we can all test it now. Vape 0% nic and see how long you can last without it. I have some 0% nic. I'll give it a try with others!
BTW - my nic has gone up! From 9mg daily (l also smoked & vaped 9mg. It states how much nic is in cigs in Europe) for 27 years to 48ml now down to 32ml, in just 4 months.

Edit: That is why Mr Bates said we only need to do research on 0% e juice.
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Nicotine in and of itself doesn't seem to be the substance that is resopnsible for the hellish addiction and struggle people have stoping smoking...they have tried to get lab rats addicted to just nicotine and it wasn't all that easy and the addiction was fairly mild.
 
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Tolerance or desire for nic doesn't drop for everyone. Mine has been rock steady at a fairly high level for over two years now. But since I'm not smoking, I'm entirely OK with that.
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well some people like you..... just like getting buzzed..you old hippy
 
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What is this buzz thing people speak of? I don't think I've had a nic buzz since my teens, and that was in the mid 1970s. What nic does for me is make me feel normal and human, instead of lethargic and miserable.
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What it means to me is a kinda hyper mode; talking a lot, heart pounds, breathe faster, and as it grows, a bit of dizziness that at first isn't unpleasant, but very quickly becomes so; plain old dizziness, like spinning around, never made me feel ill, but nicotine dizziness soon does. I enjoyed it back when I first started smoking, but I can't say I do anymore; I really don't care for any feelings of intoxication anymore; it either knocks me out or makes me nauseous.

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What it means to me is a kinda hyper mode; talking a lot, heart pounds, breathe faster, and as it grows, a bit of dizziness that at first isn't unpleasant, but very quickly becomes so; plain old dizziness, like spinning around, never made me feel ill, but nicotine dizziness soon does. I enjoyed it back when I first started smoking, but I can't say I do anymore; I really don't care for any feelings of intoxication anymore; it either knocks me out or makes me nauseous.
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I'm sure neither of us is wrong regarding our personal experiences with it. People react differently to various things. That's OK. All it means is that we shouldn't generalize and project our personal experiences onto others. What's good for you may not be good for me and vice-versa.
 
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9mg daily really is low. I vape 4mg, about 5ml a day, so about 20mg a day, roughly. Which is extremely low.

You won't get much joy from "searching" about nicotine's "addictiveness" -- "public health" is still thumping that dead horse about it being the most addictive substance blah blah blah, and it just ain't so. It's a conspiracy between BP, the FDA, and "public health," for MONEY.

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Well l am not even going to try and change your beliefs! All the research that has ever been done on tabacco was undertaken to ascertain how damaging to health it is, at a time when the tabacco industry was calming that their products did not affect health.
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The cigs l smoked contained 0.9mg nic/ea cig. I smoked 10 daily = 9mgs. The strongest cig l could find was 1.5mg nic/ea cig.
Vaping:
12mg/ml. Would go into my 2ml tank. And l would vape it over 3 days = 8mgs daily. If l could not get 12mg/ml. I would get 16mg/ml and vape that over 3 days. So average is 9mgs.
 
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All the research that has ever been done on tabacco
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See, that right there is the problem -- all the research has been done ON TOBACCO. Very little if any research has been done on JUST nicotine, except for the fact that the FDA doesn't have a problem with NRT as an OTC drug. You're talking TOBACCO; I'm talking NICOTINE, and they are not interchangeable.

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See, that right there is the problem -- all the research has been done ON TOBACCO. Very little if any research has been done on JUST nicotine, except for the fact that the FDA doesn't have a problem with NRT as an OTC drug. You're talking TOBACCO; I'm talking NICOTINE, and they are not interchangeable.

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It has been done on nicotine and all the constituent aspects of tobacco. It is not just the FDA that did research, all western countries did research (l remember those dogs & chimps smoking). It is also why the British government is pro vaping because we know what nicotine does and what it doesn't do. The only thing that we don't know is what affect 0% e liquid has on the body.

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The only factoids I can recall is that nicotine and caffeine are chemically similar, have the same general effects, and nic by itself is only SLIGHTLY more addictive than caffeine.
 
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And isn't it odd that I've always been more addicted to caffeine and than nicotine? :crazy:
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I don't find either to be *terribly* "addictive" -- dependence producing, slightly; when I was a 10-cup-a-day coffee drinker and tried to quit, I got some ungodly headaches, but that's not quite the same as massive withdrawal that makes you physically ill. "Addictive" and "dependence-producing" are NOT the same thing, not even close. "Addictive" is continuing to smoke even when you've got asthma, even when you've seen your father die of lung cancer, because you just can't quit. Or drinking until your liver gives out. Dependence-producing, that's a headache until your body gets accustomed.

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People try to say some bullshit like nicotine is more addictive than hard drugs

To them I would ask:

When is the last time you ran into someone who robbed a bank to get more cigarettes?

Ever run into a girl who stands on a street corner all day sucking dick to buy cigarettes?

I didn't think so.
 
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What is this buzz thing people speak of? I don't think I've had a nic buzz since my teens, and that was in the mid 1970s. What nic does for me is make me feel normal and human, instead of lethargic and miserable.
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yeah yeah ...that's what all addicts say...get clean ...
 
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People try to say some bullshit like nicotine is more addictive than hard drugs

To them I would ask:

When is the last time you ran into someone who robbed a bank to get more cigarettes?

Ever run into a girl who stands on a street corner all day sucking dick to buy cigarettes?

I didn't think so.
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Your analysis ignores the cost difference. Maintaining a nicotine habit is a LOT less expensive than maintaining a hard drug habit, primarily due to the government's War On (some) Drugs.
 
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Your analysis ignores the cost difference. Maintaining a nicotine habit is a LOT less expensive than maintaining a hard drug habit, primarily due to the government's War On (some) Drugs.
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There has never been a War on drugs in my lifetime...there's been a War on drug users..the goverment has been muleing drugs into the US since the Vietnam war and the CIA was bringing in shit from the golden triangle,then muling in crap from panama and colombia,then afghanistan....and of course it is the main reason the mexican border is left wide open...The US goverment is the biggest memeber of the drug trade..in my lifetime it has always been easier to get drugs than it has been to get a decent job....the goverment WANTS people on drugs.the so called war on drugs just inflates the price and makes drugs profitable.
 
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What is this buzz thing people speak of? I don't think I've had a nic buzz since my teens, and that was in the mid 1970s. What nic does for me is make me feel normal and human, instead of lethargic and miserable.
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Same here. When you start using nicotine before the age of 18, it tends to become necessary for your brain to maintain it's use, for your receptors in your brain to fire right.

I find that absolutely true for myself. Without nicotine I am in a fog, and my brain feels dumb as a bag of hammers. I can't think right and I get terrible headaches.
 
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Same here. When you start using nicotine before the age of 18, it tends to become necessary for your brain to maintain it's use, for your receptors in your brain to fire right.

I find that absolutely true for myself. Without nicotine I am in a fog, and my brain feels dumb as a bag of hammers. I can't think right and I get terrible headaches.
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when did you get a brain....LOL...it helps me concentrate. or at least that's the bullshit I tell myself.
 
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Same here. When you start using nicotine before the age of 18, it tends to become necessary for your brain to maintain it's use, for your receptors in your brain to fire right.
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Interestingly enough, I didn't start until right around my 18th birthday -- which was the summer after my first year of college. Go figure.

Anyway, I have zero desire to give up (or reduce) my nic consumption. Deal with it, bitches. :p
 
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5150sick said:
People try to say some bullshit like nicotine is more addictive than hard drugs

To them I would ask:

When is the last time you ran into someone who robbed a bank to get more cigarettes?

Ever run into a girl who stands on a street corner all day sucking dick to buy cigarettes?

I didn't think so.
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Robbing banks or servicing strangers to get cigarettes, no, I never did that... however, I was sometimes known, in very desperately-broke times, to search ashtrays for smokable butts.... sometimes even PUBLIC ashtrays, so I'm not sure how that's much different than servicing strangers. :D In those desperate times, I also sometimes approached strangers that I saw smoking to try and bum a smoke. I also sometimes stole money from parental or spousal wallets, to buy cigarettes.

But that is quite beside the point. A CIGARETTE SMOKING addiction is a VASTLY different thing than just using nicotine. It's not the nicotine that causes that ungodly addiction; it's the ammonia making the combo of MAOIs+nicotine race straight for your brain's receptors within SECONDS. From my experience with WTA, I can tell you that it's MUCH harder getting free of that whole-alkaloid cocktail than of just nicotine. Just as it's very difficult to wean off SSRIs, and for much the same reason -- once your brain chemistry gets an assist from those kinds of chemicals, it REALLY doesn't want to stop having that assist, and will send every kind of symptom you can think of (and a few you probably can't imagine!) to try and get you to give it more of those chemicals.

Nicotine alone DOES NOT EQUAL tobacco. Nicotine alone DOES NOT EQUAL smoking cigarettes.

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That's why I think "nicotine addiction" is a complete myth. Now that we're no longer inhaling all those chemicals that force our bodies to disregard the fact that we're inhaling hot poison, one's tolerance for nicotine seems to drop quite automatically, though of course everyone differs on how long it takes. It's a recurrent pattern. But truly addictive drugs cause increasing tolerance, not decreasing. :D

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A myth ? Yeah right. I tried 0 mg, and had bad withdrawals. Then soon after I filled my lungs with 3mg. I felt normal again. This is physical addiction. Not mental at all.
 
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A myth ? Yeah right. I tried 0 mg, and had bad withdrawals. Then soon after I filled my lungs with 3mg. I felt normal again. This is physical addiction. Not mental at all.
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But I wonder what would have happened if your mind hadn't known which was which. The brain can manufacture every kind of symptom that can be imagined.

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But I wonder what would have happened if your mind hadn't known which was which. The brain can manufacture every kind of symptom that can be imagined.

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My body would tell me that I need nic. I vape different strengths, and there are times I'll need more nic, cos I'll start to withdrawl. If someone were to give me wine and say it was grape juice. I would be fucked. Because my alcoholism is so bad I wouldn't be able to stop til I seeked treatment. A drink is like smack to most people.
 
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I was able to quit smoking with snus. It was the nicotine I needed to function so I felt normal. Has nothing to do with the mind.
 
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Robbing banks or servicing strangers to get cigarettes, no, I never did that... however, I was sometimes known, in very desperately-broke times, to search ashtrays for smokable butts.... sometimes even PUBLIC ashtrays, so I'm not sure how that's much different than servicing strangers. :D In those desperate times, I also sometimes approached strangers that I saw smoking to try and bum a smoke. I also sometimes stole money from parental or spousal wallets, to buy cigarettes.

But that is quite beside the point. A CIGARETTE SMOKING addiction is a VASTLY different thing than just using nicotine. It's not the nicotine that causes that ungodly addiction; it's the ammonia making the combo of MAOIs+nicotine race straight for your brain's receptors within SECONDS. From my experience with WTA, I can tell you that it's MUCH harder getting free of that whole-alkaloid cocktail than of just nicotine. Just as it's very difficult to wean off SSRIs, and for much the same reason -- once your brain chemistry gets an assist from those kinds of chemicals, it REALLY doesn't want to stop having that assist, and will send every kind of symptom you can think of (and a few you probably can't imagine!) to try and get you to give it more of those chemicals.

Nicotine alone DOES NOT EQUAL tobacco. Nicotine alone DOES NOT EQUAL smoking cigarettes.

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In a nutshell are you saying that we can just stop our intake of nicotine?

I agree. The British government agrees that Nicotine does not equal tabacco etc. The US government however doesn't.

I have been on 2 different SSRIs for neuropathic pain. Max dose for 2+ years. I just stopped taking them and was fine.
(Please do not stop prescribed medication without consultation with your Dr)
 
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gingerbread said:
In a nutshell are you saying that we can just stop our intake of nicotine?

I agree. The British government agrees that Nicotine does not equal tabacco etc. The US government however doesn't.

I have been on 2 different SSRIs for neuropathic pain. Max dose for 2+ years. I just stopped taking them and was fine.
(Please do not stop prescribed medication without consultation with your Dr)
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Vaping nicotine is cleaner. No tar, but an alkaloid is an alkaloid. Still physically addictive. If I skip my morning coffee, and go through the day. I'll get a migraine. I never thought about drinking coffee. But the migraine will creep up, and won't go away til I put caffeine back into my body.
 
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Ok, I gotta just give up on this thread. You folks are determined to conflate tobacco with nicotine, and equally determined to cling to the idea that you're addicted. Fine, you're an addict. Happy now?

Argue for your limitations... and you get to keep them.

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Vaping nicotine is cleaner. No tar, but an alkaloid is an alkaloid. Still physically addictive. If I skip my morning coffee, and go through the day. I'll get a migraine. I never thought about drinking coffee. But the migraine will creep up, and won't go away til I put caffeine back into my body.
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The coffee thing does not happen to me. Infact until this morning l have not had any coffee (or similar drink) for > 4 weeks and was fine.
 
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AndriaD said:
Ok, I gotta just give up on this thread. You folks are determined to conflate tobacco with nicotine, and equally determined to cling to the idea that you're addicted. Fine, you're an addict. Happy now?

Argue for your limitations... and you get to keep them.

Andria
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I think there might be some form of psychological dependence in former smokers where as they add ammonia to cigarettes to create a freebase nicotine which causes hardcore physical dependence.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Freebase_nicotine
 
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5150sick said:
I think there might be some form of psychological dependence in former smokers where as they add ammonia to cigarettes to create a freebase nicotine which causes hardcore physical dependence.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Freebase_nicotine
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Agreed about the phycological dependant aspect; It has been well researched..after all we didn't always smoke every cig because of a nic fix. Regarding spiked nic. I look at it this way. The affects of morphine (an addictive drug) can be increased with Paracetamol / Acetaminophen (non addictive drug).
 
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I know when I smoked I was around a half a p.a.d. but when I was stressed (like the time my mom was t-boned in Marietta, Ga) I could easily kill 2+ packs in a day. And the other day we had a friends little 12yo HYPER brother come over and for the first time I vaped my coolfire4+ down to orange (or "in need of charging soon") I pulled 600+ puffs that day when My avg is probably 250. (Yes I'm a dork that monitors my puff counter:oops:)

I tend to rely on nic to keep my stress level, well, level. I think I could have some sort of bipolar disorder because I can from 0 to 200 (happy-go-lucky to angrier than ever) in a split second. Nic is kind of like self medication to me, just like reading. If I have a book and my vape it calms me down quicker than any pills would.
 
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