UPDATE: Pennsylvania Vapor Tax Is Worse Than We Thought

SMOKIE · Jul 19, 2016

Five years in prison
Vapers who buy online are now importers

http://vaping360.com/update-pennsylvania-vapor-tax-is-worse-than-we-thought/

skt239 · Jul 19, 2016

I live on the Mason Dixon line in about 10 min from PA. There are a lot of great shops in PA and it's a shame they won't be around much longer. Hanover, PA, a nice little town that the wife and I like to visits, has 4 shops in a 5 mile radius. Considering how many small business will be shuttered this new law can only be described as shameful, disgraceful and cold hearted....

Mattp169 · Jul 19, 2016

im 10mins form the mason dixon line 2...lol in allegany county MD. small world. but if your close to hanover you sound a little east of me

but this tax is RIDICULOUS

skt239 · Jul 19, 2016

Mattp169 said:
im 10mins form the mason dixon line 2...lol in allegany county MD. small world. but if your close to hanover you sound a little east of me

but this tax is RIDICULOUS

Hey neighbor! Hanover is actually about an hour from us. I'm in white hall. We just moved here from N.Va but my wife grew up here. I'm still learning my way around.

Anyone reading this should take a min to google "PA vape shops" and see just how many business this is going to affect. Then factor in 2-5 employees for each shop and you'll have a better idea of how terrible this really is. PA is broke and they've taken a lot of loans on future tobacco taxes. More people vaping and less people smoking means they can't pay back what they owe.

Mattp169 · Jul 19, 2016

i grew up in dundalk about 40mins south of you went to school in towson now im like 3 hours west of you

skt239 · Jul 19, 2016

Mattp169 said:
i grew up in dundalk about 40mins south of you went to school in towson now im like 3 hours west of you

My wife was born in Dundalk and same goes for pretty much her entire family.

Mattp169 · Jul 19, 2016

very small world

Severs · Jul 19, 2016

Well I guess I am going to have to be sneaky about this shit then, and probably face that jail time. I am not having some idiot in a suit tellin me I can't have my vapes.

Mythical_OD · Jul 19, 2016

I live in PA...Im stocked up to the gills, Ive got enough shit to last me a couple years, juice included. If PA wants to be a shit head, then fuck em, they wont get a dime from me.

gingerbread · Jul 19, 2016

^^Very funny and serious.
I don't even live in the US but l am floored by this move. Infact speechless! For the life of me l cannot see how they can justify making vaping a criminal offence when obtaining cigarettes in the same way (from another state) is not. PA you have to fight this tooth and nail.

Jimi D · Jul 19, 2016

gingerbread said:
^^Very funny and serious.
I don't even live in the US but l am floored by this move. Infact speechless! For the life of me l cannot see how they can justify making vaping a criminal offence when obtaining cigarettes in the same way (from another state) is not. PA you have to fight this tooth and nail.

We're being punished because we're not paying cig taxes anymore. The government is just big business. Money before the people.

AndriaD · Jul 19, 2016

skt239 said:
PA is broke and they've taken a lot of loans on future tobacco taxes. More people vaping and less people smoking means they can't pay back what they owe.

I have a hard time understanding how causing all that unemployment is going to help anything. :facepalm:

Real geniuses there.

Andria

MercuryVaper · Jul 19, 2016

Never in my life would I have thought vaping would come to crap like this. I guess they have too many empty beds in the private prison industry. I guess we can look forward to pat downs, full body searches, cavity searches. Roadside contraband searches etc. Yeah, America, home of the NOT so free.

skt239 · Jul 19, 2016

MercuryVaper said:
Never in my life would I have thought vaping would come to crap like this. I guess they have too many empty beds in the private prison industry. I guess we can look forward to pat downs, full body searches, cavity searches. Roadside contraband searches etc. Yeah, America, home of the NOT so free.

That's why we all need to get out to the polls and vote for.... errrr never mind.

BigNasty · Jul 19, 2016

The fucking amish.

inspects · Jul 19, 2016

We have to revolt...screw all these no good corrupt crooked lying pathetic lifer politicians...!

I'm sure @BigNasty has a much better written description than I, but fuck these scum taxin communists.

AndriaD · Jul 19, 2016

inspects said:
We have to revolt...screw all these no good corrupt crooked lying pathetic lifer politicians...!

I'm sure @BigNasty has a much better written description than I, but fuck these scum taxin communists.

I've been advocating guillotines for a couple of years now.

Andria

cvcrcr99 · Jul 19, 2016

Does this go for items I have already bought? I would assume not. Holy crap, another reason to hate this state and make me want to move south. Stupid rules in PA. We still can't buy beer in a liquor store and vice versa. They are seriously behind the times.

BigNasty · Jul 19, 2016

inspects said:
We have to revolt...screw all these no good corrupt crooked lying pathetic lifer politicians...!

I'm sure @BigNasty has a much better written description than I, but fuck these scum taxin communists.

No seriously I blame the amish, who grew the majority of the taxable tobacco and revenue from tobacco in PA?

inspects · Jul 19, 2016

BigNasty said:
No seriously I blame the amish, who grew the majority of the taxable tobacco and revenue from tobacco in PA?

I never knew they grew tobacco in PA, thought is was too short of a growing season.

gingerbread · Jul 19, 2016

cvcrcr99 said:
Does this go for items I have already bought? I would assume not. Holy crap, another reason to hate this state and make me want to move south. Stupid rules in PA. We still can't buy beer in a liquor store and vice versa. They are seriously behind the times.

Really!!! Can you buy it anywhere else in PA? Can you buy it in another state/on line and "import" it?

skt239 · Jul 19, 2016

cvcrcr99 said:
Does this go for items I have already bought? I would assume not. Holy crap, another reason to hate this state and make me want to move south. Stupid rules in PA. We still can't buy beer in a liquor store and vice versa. They are seriously behind the times.

Yes it does. If a tax worm found their way into your home you would have to pay a 40% tax on all products purchased BEFORE the law was passed. You can also be charged with tax evasion and face up to 5 years in prison. Greatest country in the world my ass. This place is a festering shit hole.

joeyboy · Jul 19, 2016

I don't see how this will stand.

joeyboy · Jul 19, 2016

I would go over to the next state and get a post office box or ups box and have stuff sent there. Yes, I would drive to ups and get my mail in another state and screw them all...drive over the border back to my house.

Severs · Jul 19, 2016

joeyboy said:
I would go over to the next state and get a post office box or ups box and have stuff sent there. Yes, I would drive to ups and get my mail in another state and screw them all...drive over the border back to my house.

This may be the path I take. I live maybe an hour away from Maryland and I would be more than happy to take a couple hours every few months to grab some stuff from across the border. Either that or have a friend serve as a middle man for shipping, ship to them, have them put it in a different box to avoid anyone seeing what I am receiving, and ship it up to me. The extra shipping would cost less than the ungodly taxes.

Mattp169 · Jul 19, 2016

i think you are missing the point,if they catch you you still face the penalties.
now who knows what lengths they will go to. but teh risk is there and your posting it online

joeyboy · Jul 19, 2016

Mattp169 said:
i think you are missing the point,if they catch you you still face the penalties.
now who knows what lengths they will go to. but teh risk is there and your posting it online

I don't live there and when one state demanded all "assault rifle" owners register it backfired. They didn't. Just because the government makes a law does not mean the people will abide if it is unreasonable. That state did not know what to do because they did not want to prosecute the thousands of gun owners that disobeyed. The same thing will happen. Do you think if 1,000,000 vaper in a state disobeyed they would be prosecuted when they let murderers go? Maybe I am simple minded but over the top laws are over the top. I belong to other forums where people would state how many objects they own, not vaping products. I agree. It is stupid to put your crap for the people watches to see but they don't see all.

Severs · Jul 20, 2016

Mattp169 said:
i think you are missing the point,if they catch you you still face the penalties.
now who knows what lengths they will go to. but teh risk is there and your posting it online

I am sure I am not even close to the only one who will do something like this, I can understand wanting their cut, but a 40% sudden tax is outrageous and whoever voted for it needs shot in the balls.

Troy Brown · Jul 20, 2016

Didn't we break away from England because of such taxation as this?

This just isn't right !!

joeyboy · Jul 20, 2016

Even though I am in another state I emailed my representative about this. It wasn't pretty.

cvcrcr99 · Jul 20, 2016

skt239 said:
Yes it does. If a tax worm found their way into your home you would have to pay a 40% tax on all products purchased BEFORE the law was passed. You can also be charged with tax evasion and face up to 5 years in prison. Greatest country in the world my ass. This place is a festering shit hole.

fuck... regardless, i'm not going back to analogs. Worked hard enough personally to stay away for the past 1.5 years that I couldn't live with myself if I went back. time to hide my vape shelf in a closet starting 10/1. Sad times

EDIT: 40% on what I paid? or the going rate for the shit I have? What if I don't have a receipt for the items since I have owned them for 2+ years?

joeyboy said:
I would go over to the next state and get a post office box or ups box and have stuff sent there. Yes, I would drive to ups and get my mail in another state and screw them all...drive over the border back to my house.

Live in PA, work in DE. Hell, I might just move to DE. Been working at the same place for about 7 years and I am kind of tired of the commute. If only the schools were decent (I have a 10 year old).

I am so lost when it comes to PA. Buying (used, private party) cars is a PITA (don't even THINK about bringing a rebuilt title car into PA from out of state), buying a case of beer and a bottle of rum becomes a chore, inspection for my car is an inconvenient process each and every year, my local taxes blow, and this vaping shit just adds to the long list of WTF?!?

skt239 · Jul 20, 2016

Sad thing is, none of the vape shops I'd visited in PA before this happened were informing their customers of the pending legislation. Not even a sheet of paper pinned to the door or a broucher at the register. I live on the boarder of MD and PA and also have a home in VA; none of the shops I visit in those three states are doing anything to inform their customers about what's going on. Conversely, go to any gun shop and it's the exact opposite. These shops are digging their own graves.

joeyboy · Jul 20, 2016

I get tired of Representatives we voted in thinking they know best. Some things need to be voted on. Any tax increase is one of them. Screw them all. You better remember this when they run again.

Troy Brown · Jul 21, 2016

OK then. Well I guess I will just go back to smoking cig's and cigars then Mr. & Mrs. Heavy Hand Government.
Tell your children to just ignore me and my pack of smokes if they are the "Impressionable" type.
And good luck passing your next bill through congress if the Tobacco industry is against whatever your next venture is.

Zipslack · Jul 21, 2016

So glad I didn't take that job transfer/promotion to Erie years ago...

Whitesoxfan2579 · Jul 21, 2016

These laws just keep getting stupider & stupider every day. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

Jimi · Jul 21, 2016

One big problem is if they get away with it more states will follow. The greedy bastards.

Jimi · Jul 21, 2016

It's just hard to get enough people to stand up and protest something like this, something stupid yeah they'll get together on that. Like was previously said this country was formed because of injust taxes, but todays generation doesn't seem to have the backbone.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2016

Jimi said:
It's just hard to get enough people to stand up and protest something like this, something stupid yeah they'll get together on that. Like was previously said this country was formed because of injust taxes, but todays generation doesn't seem to have the backbone.

Nah they want shit handed to them, and communism.
They need cranial anal retraction in a huge way.

RoadHouse · Jul 23, 2016

Jimi said:
It's just hard to get enough people to stand up and protest something like this, something stupid yeah they'll get together on that. Like was previously said this country was formed because of injust taxes, but todays generation doesn't seem to have the backbone.

Exactly! The founders of this one time great nation would be appalled by the federal govt. They can fuck off from my state, would be best that way.

skt239 · Jul 23, 2016

I visited another shop in PA today and they recently added an entire wall of bongs, glass pipes and other accessories. The shop where I bought my first pen style vape, which was also a tobacco shop, was completely gutted out and closed down when I drove by last night. This was a very busy shop and was up and running a couple weeks ago.

anen · Jul 24, 2016

skt239 said:
I visited another shop in PA today and they recently added an entire wall of bongs, glass pipes and other accessories. The shop where I bought my first pen style vape, which was also a tobacco shop, was completely gutted out and closed down when I drove by last night. This was a very busy shop and was up and running a couple weeks ago.

Bongs , glass pipes and stuff that goes in there brings more revenue then anything else so far. That's all these fuckheads care about. Look at Colorado. 3-5 years from now it will be legal across the country. Based upon popularity of certain drugs , 10 years from now they will have m*th pipes for sale as well.
Bright future is in front of us.....

joeyboy · Jul 24, 2016

anen said:
Bongs , glass pipes and stuff that goes in there brings more revenue then anything else so far. That's all these fuckheads care about. Look at Colorado. 3-5 years from now it will be legal across the country. Based upon popularity of certain drugs , 10 years from now they will have **** pipes for sale as well.
Bright future is in front of us.....

That's a problem I have. Legalize something that can obviously cause issues and criminalize something that doesn't.

lordmage · Jul 24, 2016

i cry a tear for those or don't fight or know better. i slap those when i can

who simply are single minded suit wears out to line their wallets. pretty soon you will see a master settlement vape agreement i bet.

Kevin2112 · Jul 24, 2016

joeyboy said:
I don't live there and when one state demanded all "assault rifle" owners register it backfired. They didn't. Just because the government makes a law does not mean the people will abide if it is unreasonable. That state did not know what to do because they did not want to prosecute the thousands of gun owners that disobeyed. The same thing will happen. Do you think if 1,000,000 vaper in a state disobeyed they would be prosecuted when they let murderers go? Maybe I am simple minded but over the top laws are over the top. I belong to other forums where people would state how many objects they own, not vaping products. I agree. It is stupid to put your crap for the people watches to see but they don't see all.

All vapers should consider being gun owners. The 2nd Amendment was put in place to stop an out of control, over reaching, tyrannical government. The 40% tax, labeling their citizens who order on line as impoters, jail time or high monetary penalties. This all reaks of a government out of control. This law they passed was not voted on by the people, nor designed to protect the people, only designed to control the people. I don't live in PA but if I did I would be moving. I live in NC and there is a flood of people moving here from the northern states. Laws like the one they passed in PA will spread like a disease to the other states. Of course if the FDA has there way .......

FlavoVape · Aug 1, 2016

This is appalling! Shame on PA! There is a shop in York that I love to get my eliquid from....called azure vaping. They have excellent customer service and product. They have been very good to me since I started vaping. I hope they can find a way to keep operating their juices are top notch. PA residents should make a calculated, peaceful, but strong response in opposition to this outrageous and irresponsible legislation!

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Rossum · Aug 1, 2016

gingerbread said:
^^Very funny and serious.
I don't even live in the US but l am floored by this move. Infact speechless! For the life of me l cannot see how they can justify making vaping a criminal offence when obtaining cigarettes in the same way (from another state) is not. PA you have to fight this tooth and nail.

No, it is (and pretty much always has been) just as illegal to "import" you own cigarettes into PA (and just about every other state as well). Each state wants *their* taxes paif for cigarettes consumed in that state.

Rossum · Aug 1, 2016

skt239 said:
Yes it does. If a tax worm found their way into your home you would have to pay a 40% tax on all products purchased BEFORE the law was passed. You can also be charged with tax evasion and face up to 5 years in prison. Greatest country in the world my ass. This place is a festering shit hole.

I don't see where this law requires an individual to pay such a tax on products he purchased before the law took effect. So if you contend that it does, would you mind citing/quoting the relevant section?

skt239 · Aug 1, 2016

Rossum said:
I don't see where this law requires an individual to pay such a tax on products he purchased before the law took effect. So if you contend that it does, would you mind citing/quoting the relevant section?

You are right. I had read it some where in the law first passed but after reading better info I found that was incorrect. I completely forgot about my post and would have come back to edit it. At the very least, have good info before I post it... Thanks for correcting that and apologies to everyone for the bad info.

Vapewear · Aug 2, 2016

This is a pretty extreme measure for PA to take. I feel bad for all the college kids attending school in PA that love vaping.

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