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I think if someone who used to smoke 1ppd or more now smokes, say, 1-5 analogs per day when not vaping, that's at least a base hit if not a home run, and should not be treated as a statistical failure. I started vaping 11 months ago, got down to 1-3 analogs per day, relapsed a bit last month..... but then said the hell with it, and haven't smoked at all in 14 days. Am I climbing the walls? Yes. Using a Juul too, laugh if you want. One day at a time. If there's a decent WTA that's not extraordinarily expensive, I'd be willing to listen. I'm guessing it's the MAOI's and alkaloids that I am missing. It's not the craving now as much as feeling stiff/achy and moody, short fuse, feel like a little kid without my usual adult level of self-control.

That does sound like your body is missing the other alkaloids. As you note, Aroma's is godawful expensive, but mothersmilkwta.com isn't quite so pricey, but works just as well.

Get the full-strength (24mg) unflavored, not the "WTA infused" ejuice, and add it to your juice yourself -- that's the best way to get full value. I started out by using WTA as 10% of my vape, but you might get benefits with as little as 5%. Try to use as little as possible to relieve the out-of-sorts feeling, because it's a lot harder to withdraw from, than just nicotine -- almost as hard as actual cigarettes.

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I think if someone who used to smoke 1ppd or more now smokes, say, 1-5 analogs per day when not vaping, that's at least a base hit if not a home run, and should not be treated as a statistical failure. I started vaping 11 months ago, got down to 1-3 analogs per day, relapsed a bit last month..... but then said the hell with it, and haven't smoked at all in 14 days. Am I climbing the walls? Yes. Using a Juul too, laugh if you want. One day at a time. If there's a decent WTA that's not extraordinarily expensive, I'd be willing to listen. I'm guessing it's the MAOI's and alkaloids that I am missing. It's not the craving now as much as feeling stiff/achy and moody, short fuse, feel like a little kid without my usual adult level of self-control.
I would agree, and while I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, from the ones I did read I don't think anyone is saying dual use counts as failure. Speaking just for myself I did fail more than once with cigalikes, but that's because they didn't do enough for me to even cut down my smoking, so I didn't stick with them. I still smoke anywhere from 3 to 5 per day, but 11 months ago when I first discovered there was more to vaping than cigalikes, I was smoking around 12 packs a week, so almost but not quite 2 packs a day. I'd consider myself a vaping success story.
 

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I would agree, and while I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, from the ones I did read I don't think anyone is saying dual use counts as failure. Speaking just for myself I did fail more than once with cigalikes, but that's because they didn't do enough for me to even cut down my smoking, so I didn't stick with them. I still smoke anywhere from 3 to 5 per day, but 11 months ago when I first discovered there was more to vaping than cigalikes, I was smoking around 12 packs a week, so almost but not quite 2 packs a day. I'd consider myself a vaping success story.

Absolutely okay to dual use.

It took me 2.5 years to stop with vaping - with tons of ups and downs during that process.

I smoked 2.5 PAD. My first week of vaping cigalikes and I got down to one PAD was like a huge miracle.

If you can substitute only one cigarette a day for vaping you are getting somewhere.

Gain is gain in my book.
 

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Thanks to everyone for the advice. I also saw on the Mother's Milk site that people are mixing unflavored WTA with reqular PG/VG e-liquid. I don't need the tobacco taste, but throat hit and calming effects, I do need. I emailed them for more info, thinking maybe this can work as an additive....
 

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Thanks to everyone for the advice. I also saw on the Mother's Milk site that people are mixing unflavored WTA with reqular PG/VG e-liquid. I don't need the tobacco taste, but throat hit and calming effects, I do need. I emailed them for more info, thinking maybe this can work as an additive....

Yes, that's just what I advised you -- I mixed it at 10%, but you might get decent results using only 5%.

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Thanks to everyone for the advice. I also saw on the Mother's Milk site that people are mixing unflavored WTA with reqular PG/VG e-liquid. I don't need the tobacco taste, but throat hit and calming effects, I do need. I emailed them for more info, thinking maybe this can work as an additive....
Look up on the internet ...using Niacin to deal with addiction...it's used by Orthomolecular doctors check it out.
 

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I think if someone who used to smoke 1ppd or more now smokes, say, 1-5 analogs per day when not vaping, that's at least a base hit if not a home run, and should not be treated as a statistical failure. I started vaping 11 months ago, got down to 1-3 analogs per day, relapsed a bit last month..... but then said the hell with it, and haven't smoked at all in 14 days. Am I climbing the walls? Yes. Using a Juul too, laugh if you want. One day at a time. If there's a decent WTA that's not extraordinarily expensive, I'd be willing to listen. I'm guessing it's the MAOI's and alkaloids that I am missing. It's not the craving now as much as feeling stiff/achy and moody, short fuse, feel like a little kid without my usual adult level of self-control.
I think your doing an amazing fcuking job kicking tobacco.
 

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Thought this would be another good place to post this, and disprove the OP's conclusion. ;)

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Thought this would be another good place to post this, and disprove the OP's conclusion. ;)

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As I have said most on here succeeded. And have progressed to hobbyist status.
Pretty much everyone who makes it to hobbyist status succeeds.
The vast majority of those who try vaping never show up on vape boards.
Only 1 vaper out of the 10 I am talking about even bought any vape gear online.
And a LOT of smokers do not have the means to buy online. The poor with no credit smoke a lot.
3 of the 10 I outfitted and tried to train.....And they gave it up as well. Back to the cigs.
Maybe someday some of them will try again and succeed.
 
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I completely cringe and just feel furious when I hear someone say "If *I* could quit, ANYONE can!" because of course, that's just not true -- it's different for everyone. But there's still a tiny niggle of that feeling inside me, knowing how totally I failed before at quitting, either cold turkey or using NRT. My mom gave me that crap when I started vaping, and when I first quit smoking, rather than being happy that I'd finally found a way to do it that didn't make me so miserable I gave up. I have to acknowledge that vaping might only be a slightly better version of NRT, it just happens to be one that I find effective, because it so closely mimics the action of smoking, which is the part I always missed dreadfully when I tried quitting before.

I think for quitting to be really effective, there probably needs to be an entire constellation of factors involved, and those factors are going to be different for everyone -- some needs godawful shit-tons of vapor; some need godawful shit-tons of nicotine... some, like me, need(ed) WTA. But I think the MOST important ingredient is still: is the DESIRE to quit really there, or is the would-be quitter only mouthing the politically correct sentiment, taking refuge in being a victim of addiction? I know from 1st hand experience over a wide variety of substances, addiction is HARD to get free of -- but not impossible -- if the person really wants to be free of it.

But it's a fact that with vaping, sometimes even the desire to quit isn't truly essential -- I've read quite a few reports of those who've quit smoking because vaping made them FORGET to smoke. Very strange, but true, for some people. When I started vaping, the thought of quitting smoking hadn't crossed my mind for many years; I just wanted something I could "smoke" indoors and not stink up the joint and all my furnishings inside it. It was only when I had experienced vaping for myself, and saw all the quitting success stories, that it once again occurred to me, that maybe I'd finally found the means of getting free of cigarettes. And maybe the way I went about it, at first, is a really good way of doing it -- I set myself no limits or schedules, I had no expectations whatsoever.... I just said, I wonder how many cigarettes I can replace with vaping? As it turned out... all of them.

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Hello again everyone! When I was talking about MTL hits I was kinda thinking of my Wife. She uses a KFL+ to this day because nothing else I get for her will give her the same vaping experience. I always build her a basic 6 or 7 wrap 26 gauge microcoil around a 2.4mm screwdriver. The Flavor is top notch and she get a nice throat hit at 12mg with about 18 watts. I just started her on Ti coils for Temp Control. It has helped me a little because now she can get 4-5 days from it without me having to clean it and change the cotton. With straight Kanthal I was cleaning it every couple days. I have a Merlin tank that is the closest I have found to the Kayfun draw wise (so far) but still a little loose for her. I am a machinist, so I am going to reverse engineer the air restrictor adapter and make one with a smaller hole in it. We will see how it goes with that. Just my rambling for the day! HAPPY VAPING EVERYONE!

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Hello again everyone! When I was talking about MTL hits I was kinda thinking of my Wife. She uses a KFL+ to this day because nothing else I get for her will give her the same vaping experience. I always build her a basic 6 or 7 wrap 26 gauge microcoil around a 2.4mm screwdriver. The Flavor is top notch and she get a nice throat hit at 12mg with about 18 watts. I just started her on Ti coils for Temp Control. It has helped me a little because now she can get 4-5 days from it without me having to clean it and change the cotton. With straight Kanthal I was cleaning it every couple days. I have a Merlin tank that is the closest I have found to the Kayfun draw wise (so far) but still a little loose for her. I am a machinist, so I am going to reverse engineer the air restrictor adapter and make one with a smaller hole in it. We will see how it goes with that. Just my rambling for the day! HAPPY VAPING EVERYONE!

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yes please let us know how that goes.
I am not sure if the flavor will be there with the larger chamber if you choke it down too much.
 
Just in my observations of those around me who tried vaping but went back to smoking.
1 out of 10 succeed with vaping as a smoking cessation tool.
Now this is just based on my limited observations. But I suspect it holds true.

Many reasons.
It being more trouble than smoking probably being the main reason that vaping was given up.

Any idiot can light a cig and suck.
Vaping is lots more complicated.

I disagree, I had 7 smokers in my family, after we lost our Mom to lung cancer we all tried to quit, we had no luck with any of the smoking cessation products, we all started using ecigs in 2013 within a month we all succeeded in quiting, only one person out of 7 went back to smoking, fortunately she started vaping again and has been smoke free for over a year. .
 

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I disagree, I had 7 smokers in my family, after we lost our Mom to lung cancer we all tried to quit, we had no luck with any of the smoking cessation products, we all started using ecigs in 2013 within a month we all succeeded in quiting, only one person out of 7 went back to smoking, fortunately she started vaping again and has been smoke free for over a year. .
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I have no idea what the true percentages are - I do not live in a town where it is NOT easy to get vape stuff and I know very few vapers.

The guy who got me into vaping still dual uses after three years.

I do believe that most people who try without previous knowledge of what's out there and/or have a good support system probably take a few puffs off of a cigalike and give up pretty quick.
 

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The thing is that the smoking addiction really is different for everyone, and I think vaping is a lot more about harm reduction than true cessation. For some of us, it's necessary to be completely abstinent from smoking -- I've learned the hard way that if I give in to smoking even a little, soon I'm right back to a pk a day; that's just how I am: a true addict. Others who don't have the same struggles with addiction that I've suffered my whole life, can smoke a cigarette now and then, or even a few every day, and it never goes beyond that small amount -- so vaping works for them as harm reduction; it's a hell of a lot less harmful to smoke 2-3 a day, than to smoke 20-30. If they're ok with that amount of risk, that's their business -- it's only the control-freak smoke nazis who want to make it an all-or-nothing proposition. If someone can use vaping to keep their smoking down to a small fraction of what they might otherwise have smoked, then vaping is doing its "job" -- harm reduction.

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The thing is that the smoking addiction really is different for everyone, and I think vaping is a lot more about harm reduction than true cessation. For some of us, it's necessary to be completely abstinent from smoking -- I've learned the hard way that if I give in to smoking even a little, soon I'm right back to a pk a day; that's just how I am: a true addict. Others who don't have the same struggles with addiction that I've suffered my whole life, can smoke a cigarette now and then, or even a few every day, and it never goes beyond that small amount -- so vaping works for them as harm reduction; it's a hell of a lot less harmful to smoke 2-3 a day, than to smoke 20-30. If they're ok with that amount of risk, that's their business -- it's only the control-freak smoke nazis who want to make it an all-or-nothing proposition. If someone can use vaping to keep their smoking down to a small fraction of what they might otherwise have smoked, then vaping is doing its "job" -- harm reduction

I tend to agree.

For myself, I have just grown to love vaping so much compared to smoking. I do have SOME willpower over the urge to smoke (way more than I thought I would ever have) and have really come to enjoy the benefits of vaping over smoking.

From the minute I picked up my first cigalike I knew vaping could replace smoking, just had no idea it would take me so long :)

And it did not happen until I was introduced to WTA, that was the key for me
 

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Quit smoking likes quitting a habit, it turns even harder when you've been addictive to the habit, it is all about your willpower.
 

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Quit smoking likes quitting a habit, it turns even harder when you've been addictive to the habit, it is all about your willpower.

Not all habits are addiction, though some behaviors associated with addiction can be categorized as habitual

When I smoked, I was in the habit of smoking Newports

But I wasn't addicted to Newports, I was addicted to tobacco

I could have kicked the Newport habit, but the addiction would still make me seek tobacco
 

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Quit smoking likes quitting a habit, it turns even harder when you've been addictive to the habit, it is all about your willpower.

Addiction has nothing whatsofuckingEVER to do with willpower.

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As I have said most on here succeeded. And have progressed to hobbyist status.
Pretty much everyone who makes it to hobbyist status succeeds.
The vast majority of those who try vaping never show up on vape boards.
Only 1 vaper out of the 10 I am talking about even bought any vape gear online.
And a LOT of smokers do not have the means to buy online. The poor with no credit smoke a lot.
3 of the 10 I outfitted and tried to train.....And they gave it up as well. Back to the cigs.
Maybe someday some of them will try again and succeed.
You're right about the forum and online stuff. I have a friend here in my town who frequents the local vape shop and has now stopped vaping because it's too expensive.

Not that I don't support the hell out of our local shop but damn, keep buying that shop juice for $18-20 for 30ml and if you're subohming it adds up fast.

I remember when I found THE FLAVOR. The one flavor of all the flavors I'd tried that I could vape all day and not smoke at all. It was Cuttwood Sugar Drizzle (Bear back then) and at $30 for a 30ml I was burning 2 bottles of juice a week.

Then I found this forum and discovered some good budget juices and life was way better.
 

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You're right about the forum and online stuff. I have a friend here in my town who frequents the local vape shop and has now stopped vaping because it's too expensive.

Not that I don't support the hell out of our local shop but damn, keep buying that shop juice for $18-20 for 30ml and if you're subohming it adds up fast.

I remember when I found THE FLAVOR. The one flavor of all the flavors I'd tried that I could vape all day and not smoke at all. It was Cuttwood Sugar Drizzle (Bear back then) and at $30 for a 30ml I was burning 2 bottles of juice a week.

Then I found this forum and discovered some good budget juices and life was way better.

I agree about the price of juice. I do think it is a copout for most smokers though. I know some roll their own and can smoke pretty cheap, but lets be honest, most buy a pack or more of marlboro's or similar every day for $5+ per pack. That is $35 minimum per week in cigarettes. If they make a $30 bottle of juice last a week, they are spending less. This is again why I cannot stress enough that Mouth-to-Lung setups with high nic levels (18 to 24 mg) are best for beginners. You will go through a LOT less juice using this method of vaping. If you want the massive clouds and huge lung hits you are going to pay for it. I dual used for a long time when juice was expensive. I would just Lung hit once in awhile, but my daily vape was a KFL+ @ 18watts. Now I get 120ml of juice for $18.99 online so I lung hit daily. I guess what I am saying is I really wish all the vape shops would try and push the systems that use less juice for beginners so it does not hit their wallet so hard when they first start out.

I know a lot of people who have said they could not have quit without the big sub-ohm clouds and lung hits, but if that is the case, I have a hard time believing they REALLY wanted to quit in the first place. Very few smokers lung hit their cigarettes. It is not easy to quit smoking with any method and it ALWAYS takes willpower and commitment on the part of the smoker.

That being said, vapor products saved my life. I have been vaping for over 7 years and started out with a standard 510 kit with 510 atomizers. I remember those days of 110mah batteries that would only last about an hour. I still managed to quit smoking the day I started vaping. Was it easy, NO. But I failed when using the patch, I was successful using vapor products. The bottom line is you have to REALLY want to quit smoking.

Just my 2 cents. I know not all will fit into the category I have drawn above, so please do not flame the crap out of me. What I wrote above is simply my viewpoint and mine alone. It certainly does not mean I am right as I could be very wrong. Just the way I see things through my eyes.

Happy Vaping everyone!
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I agree about the price of juice. I do think it is a copout for most smokers though. I know some roll their own and can smoke pretty cheap, but lets be honest, most buy a pack or more of marlboro's or similar every day for $5+ per pack. That is $35 minimum per week in cigarettes. If they make a $30 bottle of juice last a week, they are spending less. This is again why I cannot stress enough that Mouth-to-Lung setups with high nic levels (18 to 24 mg) are best for beginners. You will go through a LOT less juice using this method of vaping. If you want the massive clouds and huge lung hits you are going to pay for it. I dual used for a long time when juice was expensive. I would just Lung hit once in awhile, but my daily vape was a KFL+ @ 18watts. Now I get 120ml of juice for $18.99 online so I lung hit daily. I guess what I am saying is I really wish all the vape shops would try and push the systems that use less juice for beginners so it does not hit their wallet so hard when they first start out.

I know a lot of people who have said they could not have quit without the big sub-ohm clouds and lung hits, but if that is the case, I have a hard time believing they REALLY wanted to quit in the first place. Very few smokers lung hit their cigarettes. It is not easy to quit smoking with any method and it ALWAYS takes willpower and commitment on the part of the smoker.

That being said, vapor products saved my life. I have been vaping for over 7 years and started out with a standard 510 kit with 510 atomizers. I remember those days of 110mah batteries that would only last about an hour. I still managed to quit smoking the day I started vaping. Was it easy, NO. But I failed when using the patch, I was successful using vapor products. The bottom line is you have to REALLY want to quit smoking.

Just my 2 cents. I know not all will fit into the category I have drawn above, so please do not flame the crap out of me. What I wrote above is simply my viewpoint and mine alone. It certainly does not mean I am right as I could be very wrong. Just the way I see things through my eyes.

Happy Vaping everyone!
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I agree completely. I quit, using an eRoll. Yes, I upgraded on my first full day smoke-free, but it was the eRoll that got me there, and showed me WHY I needed something with more capacity. Took a bit less than a month. Considering my total lack of success with any other method, no one was more surprised than me, unless maybe it was my husband. :D And I didn't even start vaping with any idea of quitting; it just occurred to me what a great substitute for smoking it really was, and that if I really tried, I could maybe, finally, quit. 2 yrs and 2 wks now, smoke-free.

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Hi all- congrats to all that use ecigs for whatever reason either to cut back or to quit smoking! I finally realized in Nov 2014 after a giant blizzard cut me off from my Rez visit $20.00 a carton and I had to stop in a Family Dollar to buy smokes at $10.00 a pack x's 2 as hubby is a smoker, how ridiculous my smoking habit was! I bought 2 Mistic Starter Kits instead- right then I knew this could help slay my smoking habit! Next was Mistic Bridge so I bought Haus Cool Ice and that worked even better! I dual used for 2 weeks and SET my quit date to Dec 1- I cut back to only 2 cigs a day and then only used non menthol- yuck! No way was I rewarding my habit with my usual brand! I wanted to make damn sure that these would work and how long the battery would last and they did what I needed them to do!
Next I purchased the Kanger Evod2 kit- sorry, but I hated it! Then I started looking online an saw Joyetech eCab kits! Bam, that did it! I didn't feel stupid using it, easy to use and also purchased an eLeaf istick20 to use with the eVod tanks for home, I still use that iStick today!
I think eliquid was my biggest hurdle- none tasted like my cigarette, or the flavors at that time so limited and some so shitty tasting, so I wasted so much money trying to find at least an OK flavor, so into the vape shops I went and walked out with cinnamon fireball and peppermint store mix and a Innokin 3.0 vv/vw with glass eVod tanks and coils, hurray success! Every time I felt an urge I upped my gear, but found online shopping easier and cheaper!
Now after almost 2 years I DO NOT even crave a cigarette, hate the smell and the smell of people who smoke them! No trigger for me in fact reinforces my adversion to cigarettes more!
I had to Quit Smoking for me and my reasons, are ecigs a crutch- maybe? Am I trading one bad habit for another? I have been able to knock my Nic down to 3 mgs, stopped coughing and don't stink like cigarettes- could I quit vaping anytime without relapsing back to smoking- I think yes! Do I want to quit vaping right now- no- and don't make me feel bad about it either!
 

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A true plug and play without b.s? Post a link, I'll get it for my mister, would be worth it.

He wants to quit with vaping because he has COPD. His heart isn't really in it because of all the quirks.

Joytech eGos with disposable tanks. lol.
Can't get much simpler then that.

no adjustable voltage/wattage
no coil changing/cleaning/wicking
just plug it in to charge it up, unscrew the tip to fill the tank, and away you go.
when the coil/wick is no longer good you just throw out the tank and fill a new one.

Available in a rainbow of colors and can be easily purchased at any place that doesn't cater to higher end vaping:
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I have had some of my friends try vaping after seeing my success with it- 4 out of the 5 went back to smoking, and the one that stayed smoke free was using vaping for cravings as she had quit turkey for 6 months! I think for success in quitting you have to do it for you! No one held my hand and showed me the vaping ropes- I learned from You Tube and Forums like this! I told my friends that they needed support too!
Then the scary news about vapes blowing up, popcorn lung and other bad ecig news and regs- and they went back to smoking because it was safer and easier- how ironic that an ecig is more dangerous than a cigarette, we all know cigarettes maim and kill. After 30+ year smoking habit I quit cigarettes- through sheer strength of will and being stubborn and my trusty ecig- I was done having cigarettes control my life, my wallet and health!
I have many mods now and each one cost me about a carton or 2 in price, and I still have and use them! What did I have to show for all the money I have spent for 30+ years on cigarettes- trash can upon trash can of dirty smelly butts, makes me sick thinking about it- sorry I would rather have my mods! They are trophies to me staying cigarette free!
 

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so if VAPING with nicotine is a cessation tool!?
What do you call VAPING without nicotine?
HOBBY!


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so if VAPING with nicotine is a cessation tool!?
What do you call VAPING without nicotine?
HOBBY!


VAPE ON
Vaping without nicotine- usually the kids-"i have never smoked before but want to give vaping a try" "it won't hurt me right?"
Hobby that they will never learn the correct way or care about battery safety and ohms law, cause it looks cool!
 

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I think that people who intentionally start vaping in order to quit smoking are doomed to disappointment. Those of us who didn't really have quitting in mind, or were just curious, or just intrigued by something new and novel, I think are the ones who've had the most success with vaping as smoking cessation -- those who'd already given up the idea of quitting as a pipe dream, then were amazed by what a good substitute vaping actually is -- we didn't expect anything, and so got more than we bargained for. <snip>

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*This* describes me exactly! I'd long given up on quitting smoking - I got an ecig (ego/ce4) back four years ago out of curiosity and I hoped it would satisfy me on smoke breaks at work (I'm a nurse and it's sort of hypocritical of a nurse to be smelling of smoke). No hopes beyond that.

It was the evening of the next day when I realized I hadn't had a cigarette in 30 hours. Haven't had one since.

And why was I so entranced by my new toy? The flavors!! It was so cool - I could *switch flavors*!! It was like a revelation!!
 

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how ironic that an ecig is more dangerous than a cigarette

That simply is not true. There has never been a single case of anyone getting "popcorn lung" from vaping, NOR from smoking -- it's just more stupid shit that "public health" has tried to foist on the world, to protect their funding. As for batteries blowing up... that is simply stupid people behaving stupidly; people like that could bleed to death from a paper cut.

E-cigs are AT LEAST 95% safer than smoking cigarettes, PERIOD. So says Public Health England, and the Royal College of Physicians -- who, incidentally, were the first ones to come out with the facts of the dangers of smoking. People who go back to smoking because smoking is "safer and easier" are only half right -- smoking is NOT safer, but it IS easier -- and much easier to die from, too.

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*This* describes me exactly! I'd long given up on quitting smoking - I got an ecig (ego/ce4) back four years ago out of curiosity and I hoped it would satisfy me on smoke breaks at work (I'm a nurse and it's sort of hypocritical of a nurse to be smelling of smoke). No hopes beyond that.

It was the evening of the next day when I realized I hadn't had a cigarette in 30 hours. Haven't had one since.

And why was I so entranced by my new toy? The flavors!! It was so cool - I could *switch flavors*!! It was like a revelation!!

I was stuck on the flavor of the cigarettes I smoked for 30+ yrs -- stuck so firmly that if I hadn't found ejuice that strongly resembled (to my perception) the taste of Virginia Slims, I doubt I could have stuck with it. But I did find that ejuice that everyone told me I wouldn't (BTW, it was Virginia from MyFreedomSmokes), and the simulation of smoking was so good that sometimes when I'd take a hit, I'd freak out -- "oh no, I'm in the house!" and then relax, because THIS is allowed in the house! :giggle:

But after I tried Pineapple Ice and Blueberry Muffin vapes, it only took about a couple of weeks for me to be totally done with the taste of tobacco. :D

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That simply is not true. There has never been a single case of anyone getting "popcorn lung" from vaping, NOR from smoking -- it's just more stupid shit that "public health" has tried to foist on the world, to protect their funding. As for batteries blowing up... that is simply stupid people behaving stupidly; people like that could bleed to death from a paper cut.

E-cigs are AT LEAST 95% safer than smoking cigarettes, PERIOD. So says Public Health England, and the Royal College of Physicians -- who, incidentally, were the first ones to come out with the facts of the dangers of smoking. People who go back to smoking because smoking is "safer and easier" are only half right -- smoking is NOT safer, but it IS easier -- and much easier to die from, too.

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I was quoting from my friends on their experiences and thoughts on ecigs- not mine! It didn't matter how many articles and reports I showed them!
They kept smoking while they tell me how dangerous vaping is, the great articles I showed them and they said they were put out by ecig manufactures!
Shows you how strong that their cigarette habit is-Ironic!
I have read all of those articles you have cited on ecigs and I agree that ecigs are 95% safer than cigarettes! I am much better off using ecigs, that's for sure!
 

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I was quoting from my friends on their experiences and thoughts on ecigs- not mine! It didn't matter how many articles and reports I showed them!
They kept smoking while they tell me how dangerous vaping is, the great articles I showed them and they said they were put out by ecig manufactures!
Shows you how strong that their cigarette habit is-Ironic!
I have read all of those articles you have cited on ecigs and I agree that ecigs are 95% safer than cigarettes! I am much better off using ecigs, that's for sure!

Yes, it's called rationalization, and addicts are CHAMPIONS at it -- ALWAYS an excuse for them to continue their addiction.

I have a lot of differences with my ex -- he's the worst smoker-hater I've ever known, and in fact I discontinued ALL contact with him when he gave me the "but you're still addicted to nicotine" crap when I told him I'd switched to vaping... but he once said something to me that was very valuable, and I've remembered it and profited from it ever since: "If not now.... WHEN?"

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I was stuck on the flavor of the cigarettes I smoked for 30+ yrs -- stuck so firmly that if I hadn't found ejuice that strongly resembled (to my perception) the taste of Virginia Slims, I doubt I could have stuck with it. But I did find that ejuice that everyone told me I wouldn't (BTW, it was Virginia from MyFreedomSmokes), and the simulation of smoking was so good that sometimes when I'd take a hit, I'd freak out -- "oh no, I'm in the house!" and then relax, because THIS is allowed in the house! :giggle:

But after I tried Pineapple Ice and Blueberry Muffin vapes, it only took about a couple of weeks for me to be totally done with the taste of tobacco. :D

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Yes, it was so great when I found I liked flavors more than my menthol cigarettes! I like blueberry cotton candy, strawberry, pineapple and peach! I really like sweet candy flavors like bubble gum and Cinnamon Fireball too! I think it was funny in the beginning trying to get a flavor like my menthol cigs and soon found out that the fruit and candy flavors tasted so much better!
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This reply is going to be long, because I have thoughts, and some free time. So I'm going to spew my BS.

Firstly, of all the regulations the FDA is putting in place, the one that bugs me the least is that the vape industry can't claim vaping is a smoking cessation. Or that vape shop employees can't dispense medical advice, or claim vaping is a way to stop smoking. I don't think it's been studied or proven enough to make those claims. As for the medical advice? That's a no brainer. I've met some great vape shop employees. I've also run into a lot of terrible ones. I'm not getting my medical advice from any of them.

Personally, I think if you WANT to quit, you'll quit, and vaping is a substitute that can lessen the discomfort of quitting. Personally, I don't think nicotine has much to do with it. I think it's more about having something suitable to take your mind off the fact you're not smoking when you'd like to be.

Addiction is different for everyone. For me, it's strong. I'm an addictive personality type. I believe I was (am) addicted to the nic, but also to the fidgeting with my hands. I guess it's an addiction and a habit, if that makes sense.

This is a very timely thread as my wife and I JUST quit smoking, and while I've been vaping since the tea bags in the carto days, it never got me to quit. My personal take on why vaping works for us now, but not before? Mostly, money. (I didn't strike it rich, I just mean the willingness to spend money) See, I made a long slow progression, and I see my wife doing it much quicker because I bazed the trail. When I first started, I was sure I needed a device as much like a cigarette as possible, had to taste as much like a camel as possible. Even when other flavors became available, I was convinced I wouldn't like blueberry, or ice cream. I tried Mountain Dew, or Cola, but flavors we're bad in those days. I needed it to be as much like smoking as possible. (I thought) When the Ego's came out, I reluctantly got one, eventually, but still stuck with tobacco juice. It was gross, and it didn't work. I assumed vaping wasn't ready for me.

Fast forward a few years of off and on vaping, and constant smoking. I'd buy new gear once in a while, on a whim. Countless no-name cig-a-likes, blu, vuse, Ego twist. The old school Tesla that looked like Darth Vaders dildo. The Ego One Mega. I bought vape gear like I buy video games. Once or twice a year, get a new one, play it for a while, then forget I have an Xbox (or Playstation, can't remember which I have now) for another year. A few months ago, I was in a neighborhood with a nice vape shop with some time to kill. Walked in, and tried some flavors. Here's where a good shop employee is key (pay attention shop owners). I told the kid I was an on and off vaper. He asked me what I was vaping, then told me about all the advances that had been made since the last time I was in a store. I shared with him my trouble finding a tobacco flavor I liked. He prodded me to try a few flavors outside my comfort zone. Holy cow!

I spent $300 or so in the shop that day on a mod, tanks, juices, etc. Came home, explain to my wife that I was ready to really try quitting smoking again. She was too and started vaping my old EgoOne Mega. She immediately assumed she wanted a juice as much like Camel Menthol as possible. (See a pattern?) She also wanted to find a smaller mod than the mega, because she wanted vaping to be as much like smoking as possible. (Pattern!) Then, a few weeks back VCCPA came to Pittsburgh. Here I was, a new vaper, and my wife, and reluctant vaper, and I'm at a vape expo. She spent an hour asking every damn juice vendor for a camel menthol juice. It was like she was asking these kids for an 8 track tape player. Dudes we like "People don't really do cigarette juices as much these days." Then it happened. (Again, shop owners, listen) a girl who really had in interest in helping my wife, said, here, try this, it's like a peppermint patty. She loved it. (And spend a shit ton of money, because a girl took the time to listen and make a suggestion) She's now on a box mod and looking at several others. All of the sudden, it wasn't about not smoking. It was about vaping because we enjoyed it.

The reason vaping helped us quit this time is because we got interested. It wasn't a whim. We found the stuff that we were really excited about, and got it. if you go into vaping thinking it will make quitting easy, or that you can just vape and not want to smoke, it won't work. You have to know, quitting sucks. It's not fun or comfortable. Vaping can help take the edge off. But you're still quitting an addiction and a habit. I'm 3 or 4 days in, and I still want a cig, often. But I vape. So does the wife. And we enjoy it. And so far, it's working.

tl;dr version: Vaping can help quitting suck less, if you're ready to quit (in our experience). It worked better for us than other methods. (Or were we just more willing to quit now?) Also, and I can't stress this enough: If you own a shop, hire good people. They don't need to offer me medical advice, or convince me that vaping will help me quit. But if someone like me walks in, and a good employee provides the right guidance, you stand to make some money, in the short term and in the long run. I was in lots of shops before I walked into one where a good guy behind a counter took an interest in really helping. My wife talked to 5 dudes at VCCPA before a nice girl took the time to make suggestions rather than just roll her eyes and say, no to Camel Menthol.

This is all just personal opinion and experience, in no way meant to sound as if I believe I'm an authority.
 

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Yes, it was so great when I found I liked flavors more than my menthol cigarettes! I like blueberry cotton candy, strawberry, pineapple and peach! I really like sweet candy flavors like bubble gum and Cinnamon Fireball too! I think it was funny in the beginning trying to get a flavor like my menthol cigs and soon found out that the fruit and candy flavors tasted so much better!
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Heh.... the true irony is that I started DIY because I was so horribly afraid, way back in 2014, that I would no longer be able to *buy* "Virginia" ejuice, and it just HAD to be THAT flavor -- and about 2 wks after I fucking *perfected* my Virginia recipe... I found I could no longer tolerate the taste of tobacco. :giggle:

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This reply is going to be long, because I have thoughts, and some free time. So I'm going to spew my BS.

Firstly, of all the regulations the FDA is putting in place, the one that bugs me the least is that the vape industry can't claim vaping is a smoking cessation. Or that vape shop employees can't dispense medical advice, or claim vaping is a way to stop smoking. I don't think it's been studied or proven enough to make those claims. As for the medical advice? That's a no brainer. I've met some great vape shop employees. I've also run into a lot of terrible ones. I'm not getting my medical advice from any of them.

Personally, I think if you WANT to quit, you'll quit, and vaping is a substitute that can lessen the discomfort of quitting. Personally, I don't think nicotine has much to do with it. I think it's more about having something suitable to take your mind off the fact you're not smoking when you'd like to be.

Addiction is different for everyone. For me, it's strong. I'm an addictive personality type. I believe I was (am) addicted to the nic, but also to the fidgeting with my hands. I guess it's an addiction and a habit, if that makes sense.

This is a very timely thread as my wife and I JUST quit smoking, and while I've been vaping since the tea bags in the carto days, it never got me to quit. My personal take on why vaping works for us now, but not before? Mostly, money. (I didn't strike it rich, I just mean the willingness to spend money) See, I made a long slow progression, and I see my wife doing it much quicker because I bazed the trail. When I first started, I was sure I needed a device as much like a cigarette as possible, had to taste as much like a camel as possible. Even when other flavors became available, I was convinced I wouldn't like blueberry, or ice cream. I tried Mountain Dew, or Cola, but flavors we're bad in those days. I needed it to be as much like smoking as possible. (I thought) When the Ego's came out, I reluctantly got one, eventually, but still stuck with tobacco juice. It was gross, and it didn't work. I assumed vaping wasn't ready for me.

Fast forward a few years of off and on vaping, and constant smoking. I'd buy new gear once in a while, on a whim. Countless no-name cig-a-likes, blu, vuse, Ego twist. The old school Tesla that looked like Darth Vaders dildo. The Ego One Mega. I bought vape gear like I buy video games. Once or twice a year, get a new one, play it for a while, then forget I have an Xbox (or Playstation, can't remember which I have now) for another year. A few months ago, I was in a neighborhood with a nice vape shop with some time to kill. Walked in, and tried some flavors. Here's where a good shop employee is key (pay attention shop owners). I told the kid I was an on and off vaper. He asked me what I was vaping, then told me about all the advances that had been made since the last time I was in a store. I shared with him my trouble finding a tobacco flavor I liked. He prodded me to try a few flavors outside my comfort zone. Holy cow!

I spent $300 or so in the shop that day on a mod, tanks, juices, etc. Came home, explain to my wife that I was ready to really try quitting smoking again. She was too and started vaping my old EgoOne Mega. She immediately assumed she wanted a juice as much like Camel Menthol as possible. (See a pattern?) She also wanted to find a smaller mod than the mega, because she wanted vaping to be as much like smoking as possible. (Pattern!) Then, a few weeks back VCCPA came to Pittsburgh. Here I was, a new vaper, and my wife, and reluctant vaper, and I'm at a vape expo. She spent an hour asking every damn juice vendor for a camel menthol juice. It was like she was asking these kids for an 8 track tape player. Dudes we like "People don't really do cigarette juices as much these days." Then it happened. (Again, shop owners, listen) a girl who really had in interest in helping my wife, said, here, try this, it's like a peppermint patty. She loved it. (And spend a shit ton of money, because a girl took the time to listen and make a suggestion) She's now on a box mod and looking at several others. All of the sudden, it wasn't about not smoking. It was about vaping because we enjoyed it.

The reason vaping helped us quit this time is because we got interested. It wasn't a whim. We found the stuff that we were really excited about, and got it. if you go into vaping thinking it will make quitting easy, or that you can just vape and not want to smoke, it won't work. You have to know, quitting sucks. It's not fun or comfortable. Vaping can help take the edge off. But you're still quitting an addiction and a habit. I'm 3 or 4 days in, and I still want a cig, often. But I vape. So does the wife. And we enjoy it. And so far, it's working.

tl;dr version: Vaping can help quitting suck less, if you're ready to quit (in our experience). It worked better for us than other methods. (Or were we just more willing to quit now?) Also, and I can't stress this enough: If you own a shop, hire good people. They don't need to offer me medical advice, or convince me that vaping will help me quit. But if someone like me walks in, and a good employee provides the right guidance, you stand to make some money, in the short term and in the long run. I was in lots of shops before I walked into one where a good guy behind a counter took an interest in really helping. My wife talked to 5 dudes at VCCPA before a nice girl took the time to make suggestions rather than just roll her eyes and say, no to Camel Menthol.

This is all just personal opinion and experience, in no way meant to sound as if I believe I'm an authority.
So glad for you and your wife- Congrats! Yes, you will still crave cigs for a while, mornings were the toughest for me, I set a date and that was it- no more cigarettes! Just stay strong and you and your wife can do it! Vaping works!
You were lucky at the time to be even able to try some free juice- FDA stopped that today! I see that you are in PA when Oct 1 comes the dreaded 40% tax! I live in NY and I will shocked if they didn't start some nasty bans on ecig internet sales- now that ecigs and liquids are tobacco products my state requires face to face transactions only! Vape shops here do not carry many products and are expensive, glad they helped you! I have used you tube and these forums for most of my help- I only order online! Saves so much money and I don't have to deal with vape shop employees and their friends that hang out there clouding up the place!
 

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This reply is going to be long, because I have thoughts, and some free time. So I'm going to spew my BS.

Firstly, of all the regulations the FDA is putting in place, the one that bugs me the least is that the vape industry can't claim vaping is a smoking cessation. Or that vape shop employees can't dispense medical advice, or claim vaping is a way to stop smoking. I don't think it's been studied or proven enough to make those claims. As for the medical advice? That's a no brainer. I've met some great vape shop employees. I've also run into a lot of terrible ones. I'm not getting my medical advice from any of them.

Personally, I think if you WANT to quit, you'll quit, and vaping is a substitute that can lessen the discomfort of quitting. Personally, I don't think nicotine has much to do with it. I think it's more about having something suitable to take your mind off the fact you're not smoking when you'd like to be.

Addiction is different for everyone. For me, it's strong. I'm an addictive personality type. I believe I was (am) addicted to the nic, but also to the fidgeting with my hands. I guess it's an addiction and a habit, if that makes sense.

This is a very timely thread as my wife and I JUST quit smoking, and while I've been vaping since the tea bags in the carto days, it never got me to quit. My personal take on why vaping works for us now, but not before? Mostly, money. (I didn't strike it rich, I just mean the willingness to spend money) See, I made a long slow progression, and I see my wife doing it much quicker because I bazed the trail. When I first started, I was sure I needed a device as much like a cigarette as possible, had to taste as much like a camel as possible. Even when other flavors became available, I was convinced I wouldn't like blueberry, or ice cream. I tried Mountain Dew, or Cola, but flavors we're bad in those days. I needed it to be as much like smoking as possible. (I thought) When the Ego's came out, I reluctantly got one, eventually, but still stuck with tobacco juice. It was gross, and it didn't work. I assumed vaping wasn't ready for me.

Fast forward a few years of off and on vaping, and constant smoking. I'd buy new gear once in a while, on a whim. Countless no-name cig-a-likes, blu, vuse, Ego twist. The old school Tesla that looked like Darth Vaders dildo. The Ego One Mega. I bought vape gear like I buy video games. Once or twice a year, get a new one, play it for a while, then forget I have an Xbox (or Playstation, can't remember which I have now) for another year. A few months ago, I was in a neighborhood with a nice vape shop with some time to kill. Walked in, and tried some flavors. Here's where a good shop employee is key (pay attention shop owners). I told the kid I was an on and off vaper. He asked me what I was vaping, then told me about all the advances that had been made since the last time I was in a store. I shared with him my trouble finding a tobacco flavor I liked. He prodded me to try a few flavors outside my comfort zone. Holy cow!

I spent $300 or so in the shop that day on a mod, tanks, juices, etc. Came home, explain to my wife that I was ready to really try quitting smoking again. She was too and started vaping my old EgoOne Mega. She immediately assumed she wanted a juice as much like Camel Menthol as possible. (See a pattern?) She also wanted to find a smaller mod than the mega, because she wanted vaping to be as much like smoking as possible. (Pattern!) Then, a few weeks back VCCPA came to Pittsburgh. Here I was, a new vaper, and my wife, and reluctant vaper, and I'm at a vape expo. She spent an hour asking every damn juice vendor for a camel menthol juice. It was like she was asking these kids for an 8 track tape player. Dudes we like "People don't really do cigarette juices as much these days." Then it happened. (Again, shop owners, listen) a girl who really had in interest in helping my wife, said, here, try this, it's like a peppermint patty. She loved it. (And spend a shit ton of money, because a girl took the time to listen and make a suggestion) She's now on a box mod and looking at several others. All of the sudden, it wasn't about not smoking. It was about vaping because we enjoyed it.

The reason vaping helped us quit this time is because we got interested. It wasn't a whim. We found the stuff that we were really excited about, and got it. if you go into vaping thinking it will make quitting easy, or that you can just vape and not want to smoke, it won't work. You have to know, quitting sucks. It's not fun or comfortable. Vaping can help take the edge off. But you're still quitting an addiction and a habit. I'm 3 or 4 days in, and I still want a cig, often. But I vape. So does the wife. And we enjoy it. And so far, it's working.

tl;dr version: Vaping can help quitting suck less, if you're ready to quit (in our experience). It worked better for us than other methods. (Or were we just more willing to quit now?) Also, and I can't stress this enough: If you own a shop, hire good people. They don't need to offer me medical advice, or convince me that vaping will help me quit. But if someone like me walks in, and a good employee provides the right guidance, you stand to make some money, in the short term and in the long run. I was in lots of shops before I walked into one where a good guy behind a counter took an interest in really helping. My wife talked to 5 dudes at VCCPA before a nice girl took the time to make suggestions rather than just roll her eyes and say, no to Camel Menthol.

This is all just personal opinion and experience, in no way meant to sound as if I believe I'm an authority.

If you should find, round about the 3wk or 3mo point, that cravings become just completely intolerable... you might try some WTA, while it's still available. It's not a magic wand for quitting anymore than vaping in general is, and I would never recommend it to someone who hasn't managed to quit the butts yet... but for someone who *has* quit, and is serious about staying that way but just miserable with cravings... WTA can make all the difference in the world, between quitting sucking, and quitting that's fairly easy. aromaejuice.com, though theirs is ungodly expensive... or mothersmilkwta.com, which works just as well, and doesn't cost nearly as much. Assuming that either or both stay in business for a little longer.

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Vaping without nicotine- usually the kids-"i have never smoked before but want to give vaping a try" "it won't hurt me right?"
Hobby that they will never learn the correct way or care about battery safety and ohms law, cause it looks cool!

Actually I know a 16 yr old on my street, who vapes with his mother's support because his stupid cousin thought it would be fun to teach him to smoke when he was 9. :facepalm: His mother bought my old iStick30 for him, *because* his mech had done the autofiring thing and basically melted down, so he's *personally* well aware of the dangers, and the care that needs to be taken. He's pretty sharp, for 16, I must say. And he's a perfect case in point for why young kids should never smoke -- he's male and 16, and at that age, my son was already several inches taller than my 5'7"; this boy is barely over 5 ft tall. But he's no dummy.

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Vape shops here do not carry many products and are expensive, glad they helped you! I have used you tube and these forums for most of my help- I only order online! Saves so much money and I don't have to deal with vape shop employees and their friends that hang out there clouding up the place!

It's absolutely worth seeking out a good shop. They're hard to find, but super worth it. The sad fact is, the recent rise of vaping has made shops start to pop up. And since the industry is newish, many vendors are willing to help people start a shop that probably don't have any business being a business owner. A lot (most?) shops in my area are young guys, still learning themselves, not experts. And they use the shop as more of a social club where they and their friends compare tattoos, wind coils and listen to dubstep. When you walk in, it's as if they're bothered to wait on you.

Quick story, this past weekend, we were in a neighborhood in Pittsburgh that has several vape shops. We walked down the street and went into the first one. Young guy was watching tv, paused it when we came in. Wife wanted to try a few juices. He complied, but wasn't really friendly, didn't make any suggestions and didn't really feel like talking. It wasn't tense or unpleasant. Just ho hum. While wife was trying juice, I saw a bottle of one called "Molly" that looked interesting, but didn't get around to trying it. Wife didn't find anything she liked, so we left.

Walked a block to the next shop. Lady behind the counter was great. Introduced herself. We chatted about what we were doing, what we did for a living, etc. Then the wife tried some juice. After the girl behind the counter get a feel for what the wife was digging, she said, " You have to try Molly!" Wife liked Molly. Wife liked Molly 120ml worth. Plus several 30ml bottles. I got a tank.

Two stores, 1 block apart. Similar inventory, similar size, similar prices. The guy where we spent no money wasn't a jerk or anything. He was just a guy getting a paycheck. The other store had an employee (she didn't own the place, I asked) who was genuinely enthusiastic about the hobby. And took a real interest in helping us find a product that we wanted. She wasn't pushy, she didn't sell, she just helped us find stuff that was right for us.

Shops are opening all over the place, shops are also closing all over the place. Not all shops close because of the FDA. Some close because they suck. I (and others) will happily pay higher prices, knowingly, to support a good shop.
 

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This reply is going to be long, because I have thoughts, and some free time. So I'm going to spew my BS.

Firstly, of all the regulations the FDA is putting in place, the one that bugs me the least is that the vape industry can't claim vaping is a smoking cessation. Or that vape shop employees can't dispense medical advice, or claim vaping is a way to stop smoking. I don't think it's been studied or proven enough to make those claims. As for the medical advice? That's a no brainer. I've met some great vape shop employees. I've also run into a lot of terrible ones. I'm not getting my medical advice from any of them.

Personally, I think if you WANT to quit, you'll quit, and vaping is a substitute that can lessen the discomfort of quitting. Personally, I don't think nicotine has much to do with it. I think it's more about having something suitable to take your mind off the fact you're not smoking when you'd like to be.

Addiction is different for everyone. For me, it's strong. I'm an addictive personality type. I believe I was (am) addicted to the nic, but also to the fidgeting with my hands. I guess it's an addiction and a habit, if that makes sense.

This is a very timely thread as my wife and I JUST quit smoking, and while I've been vaping since the tea bags in the carto days, it never got me to quit. My personal take on why vaping works for us now, but not before? Mostly, money. (I didn't strike it rich, I just mean the willingness to spend money) See, I made a long slow progression, and I see my wife doing it much quicker because I bazed the trail. When I first started, I was sure I needed a device as much like a cigarette as possible, had to taste as much like a camel as possible. Even when other flavors became available, I was convinced I wouldn't like blueberry, or ice cream. I tried Mountain Dew, or Cola, but flavors we're bad in those days. I needed it to be as much like smoking as possible. (I thought) When the Ego's came out, I reluctantly got one, eventually, but still stuck with tobacco juice. It was gross, and it didn't work. I assumed vaping wasn't ready for me.

Fast forward a few years of off and on vaping, and constant smoking. I'd buy new gear once in a while, on a whim. Countless no-name cig-a-likes, blu, vuse, Ego twist. The old school Tesla that looked like Darth Vaders dildo. The Ego One Mega. I bought vape gear like I buy video games. Once or twice a year, get a new one, play it for a while, then forget I have an Xbox (or Playstation, can't remember which I have now) for another year. A few months ago, I was in a neighborhood with a nice vape shop with some time to kill. Walked in, and tried some flavors. Here's where a good shop employee is key (pay attention shop owners). I told the kid I was an on and off vaper. He asked me what I was vaping, then told me about all the advances that had been made since the last time I was in a store. I shared with him my trouble finding a tobacco flavor I liked. He prodded me to try a few flavors outside my comfort zone. Holy cow!

I spent $300 or so in the shop that day on a mod, tanks, juices, etc. Came home, explain to my wife that I was ready to really try quitting smoking again. She was too and started vaping my old EgoOne Mega. She immediately assumed she wanted a juice as much like Camel Menthol as possible. (See a pattern?) She also wanted to find a smaller mod than the mega, because she wanted vaping to be as much like smoking as possible. (Pattern!) Then, a few weeks back VCCPA came to Pittsburgh. Here I was, a new vaper, and my wife, and reluctant vaper, and I'm at a vape expo. She spent an hour asking every damn juice vendor for a camel menthol juice. It was like she was asking these kids for an 8 track tape player. Dudes we like "People don't really do cigarette juices as much these days." Then it happened. (Again, shop owners, listen) a girl who really had in interest in helping my wife, said, here, try this, it's like a peppermint patty. She loved it. (And spend a shit ton of money, because a girl took the time to listen and make a suggestion) She's now on a box mod and looking at several others. All of the sudden, it wasn't about not smoking. It was about vaping because we enjoyed it.

The reason vaping helped us quit this time is because we got interested. It wasn't a whim. We found the stuff that we were really excited about, and got it. if you go into vaping thinking it will make quitting easy, or that you can just vape and not want to smoke, it won't work. You have to know, quitting sucks. It's not fun or comfortable. Vaping can help take the edge off. But you're still quitting an addiction and a habit. I'm 3 or 4 days in, and I still want a cig, often. But I vape. So does the wife. And we enjoy it. And so far, it's working.

tl;dr version: Vaping can help quitting suck less, if you're ready to quit (in our experience). It worked better for us than other methods. (Or were we just more willing to quit now?) Also, and I can't stress this enough: If you own a shop, hire good people. They don't need to offer me medical advice, or convince me that vaping will help me quit. But if someone like me walks in, and a good employee provides the right guidance, you stand to make some money, in the short term and in the long run. I was in lots of shops before I walked into one where a good guy behind a counter took an interest in really helping. My wife talked to 5 dudes at VCCPA before a nice girl took the time to make suggestions rather than just roll her eyes and say, no to Camel Menthol.

This is all just personal opinion and experience, in no way meant to sound as if I believe I'm an authority.
I had the hardest letting go of the one when I woke up every morning. I did dual use for 3 and a half months before I finally quit. What seemed to work for me was on the weekend when not working and no stress for the day was when I tried going a whole day. Each time after that, I would go a little longer each morning without that first smoke until I was going the work week without a morning smoke. Maybe give this a shot. Everyone is different and goes through the process at a different rate. At any rate, the less you smoke the healthier it is. Keep up the good work!!
 

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I had the hardest letting go of the one when I woke up every morning. I did dual use for 3 and a half months before I finally quit. What seemed to work for me was on the weekend when not working and no stress for the day was when I tried going a whole day. Each time after that, I would go a little longer each morning without that first smoke until I was going the work week without a morning smoke. Maybe give this a shot. Everyone is different and goes through the process at a different rate. At any rate, the less you smoke the healthier it is. Keep up the good work!!

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I didn't smoke when I first woke up, for which I have to thank asthma. :mad: But after being up and around for 20-30 mins, that first one of the day was by far the hardest one for me to let go; I think because after a night's sleep, the nic level in the body is really low -- or gone! -- and vaping takes a lot longer to get the nic to the brain than the near-instant rush from smoking.

So I really analyzed how I was vaping. At the time, I was using that cigalike eRoll, and when still half-asleep, I realized I was trying to vape it like it was a cigarette -- those powerful fast draws... and that just does not work fer shit with vaping. So I slowed it down; concentrated really hard on taking a long, slow pull, very slowly inhaling from my mouth, to my throat, slightly into my lungs (again thx to asthma, no deep inhales for me), then slowly exhaling via my nose. The first day I did that, in the morning, was my first smoke-free day.

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Actually I know a 16 yr old on my street, who vapes with his mother's support because his stupid cousin thought it would be fun to teach him to smoke when he was 9. :facepalm: His mother bought my old iStick30 for him, *because* his mech had done the autofiring thing and basically melted down, so he's *personally* well aware of the dangers, and the care that needs to be taken. He's pretty sharp, for 16, I must say. And he's a perfect case in point for why young kids should never smoke -- he's male and 16, and at that age, my son was already several inches taller than my 5'7"; this boy is barely over 5 ft tall. But he's no dummy.

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That's terrible that a boy that young was addicted to cigarettes! Lucky that you could help him out!
 

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That's terrible that a boy that young was addicted to cigarettes! Lucky that you could help him out!

I completely agree. It was bad enough for me, at not quite 14, but 9?!?!? Geez, even my husband, precocious brat that he was, didn't start till 11! And was intelligent enough to quit when he was 21! He had quit smoking before I ever started!

But now with this stupid shit from the FDA, I'm gonna have to work out a new arrangement with him and his mom; I've been providing him ejuice -- with her full knowledge and support -- but now I'm thinking, maybe *she* needs to come around and get it, instead of him; I just hope that won't cause them any problems, because I sure don't need the feds breathing down my neck. Stupid fuckers.

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Wow, this is a fantastic thread.. just happened upon it and read thru the whole deal (whew).
Amazing all the different perceptions and experiences out there.
For me (30yrs+ nearly 2pad), I didnt want to give up the paper sticks, but knew I had to.. constant cough (and fear of a lung cookie gift during a meeting or such),, waking up at 4am each morning just to cough,, ya know.
I tried the Blu sticks on a trip to the US , but they're pretty much crap compared to a 'real' cig. They fit the bill when trying to sneak a smoke in some public venue like a zoo or such.
Then came a doctor's note for tests on possible copd.. oy, did I finally take this smoking thing too far ?
One day I was youtube-ing and happened to watch the 'Indoor Smokers' guy.. and I was suddenly convinced that trying out the more "professional" gear (as opposed to corner store sticks like Blu) was the way to go. The next morning I stopped at a local vape shop and right there switched from paper to vaping. Its been 6 months now.
I'm eternally thankful to the gal at the vape shop for setting me up with a MTL stick (Kanger e-smart) and keeping me down to a reasonable level of 6mg tobacco flav juice ("we can always up you to 12 or more if you feel the need for a smoke"). 6mg was fine.
I agree with some of the posts that mention shops pushing DTL gear on smoke-quitters.. this just isnt the right fit and would make a person toss the vape thing due to the crappy experience. There needs to be more focus on this for sure.

Now, that being said.. I do agree with posters that mention about how this is all easier for a 'hobbyist" to adopt. I dont mind the whole refilling thing..and I occasionally use my Kbox for higher wattage flavs and stuff, but I suspect this is what killed my wife's adoption of vaping. Its so much simpler to just grab a paper stick and light it. Messing with juice and the occasional dead coil etc etc just turns some people off I think ?

One thing for sure, I appreciate not smoking now.
 

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Wow, this is a fantastic thread.. just happened upon it and read thru the whole deal (whew).
Amazing all the different perceptions and experiences out there.
For me (30yrs+ nearly 2pad), I didnt want to give up the paper sticks, but knew I had to.. constant cough (and fear of a lung cookie gift during a meeting or such),, waking up at 4am each morning just to cough,, ya know.
I tried the Blu sticks on a trip to the US , but they're pretty much crap compared to a 'real' cig. They fit the bill when trying to sneak a smoke in some public venue like a zoo or such.
Then came a doctor's note for tests on possible copd.. oy, did I finally take this smoking thing too far ?
One day I was youtube-ing and happened to watch the 'Indoor Smokers' guy.. and I was suddenly convinced that trying out the more "professional" gear (as opposed to corner store sticks like Blu) was the way to go. The next morning I stopped at a local vape shop and right there switched from paper to vaping. Its been 6 months now.
I'm eternally thankful to the gal at the vape shop for setting me up with a MTL stick (Kanger e-smart) and keeping me down to a reasonable level of 6mg tobacco flav juice ("we can always up you to 12 or more if you feel the need for a smoke"). 6mg was fine.
I agree with some of the posts that mention shops pushing DTL gear on smoke-quitters.. this just isnt the right fit and would make a person toss the vape thing due to the crappy experience. There needs to be more focus on this for sure.

Now, that being said.. I do agree with posters that mention about how this is all easier for a 'hobbyist" to adopt. I dont mind the whole refilling thing..and I occasionally use my Kbox for higher wattage flavs and stuff, but I suspect this is what killed my wife's adoption of vaping. Its so much simpler to just grab a paper stick and light it. Messing with juice and the occasional dead coil etc etc just turns some people off I think ?

One thing for sure, I appreciate not smoking now.
Hi dcarpentier- yes that's a whole lotta reading to get thru, Congrats on your vaping success! I decided to quit smoking by vaping and dragged my hubby into it! He like your wife doesn't like the "hobby" end of it, I read on line and I do all the purchasing of all vaping! He only likes the iStick 10w with the gsair tank and that's it! He won't even change out the coil- I do that, but he does fill with his own eliquid! Would he vape at all if not for me- NO! He vapes only at work and around the house, but out in the garage he smokes up to 5 cigs at night. Do I like that he won't stop smoking- NO, but he has cut down from 2PAD to 5 cigs- a victory in my book!
I on the other hand love all things vape- and trying new things! I thought I would have a harder time of quitting smokes, just some will power and my trusty ecig I conquered it! I have quite the collection of mods and tanks- waste of money, I think not, most are what I would have spent on a carton of cigs my little trophies, what do I have to show for a 30+ year smoking habit- nothing but garbage!
This Fall I will be trying to wind my own coils- wish me luck!
 

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