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I've heard a lot about how to get vapor residue off of car windows and such... ...but what about stopping it from accumulating in a small room? Am I going crazy, here? Is the Pillsbury ghost paying me routine visits and leaving sweet-smelling ectoplasm all over the place? Why does nobody talk about this? From what I can tell, it does accumulate wherever there is air moving through tight spaces. Doesn't accumulate in rooms I don't vape in. But it travels through the AC just fine. By the time my AC filter's ready to be swapped, it's all trapped in there. I can see it condensing around the vents sometimes. IDWK what the ducts look like.

My bedroom is rather small (12x12.) I vape in there fairly often and the PG/VG residue is gradually taking over. Basically, where dust accumulates, juice also accumulates, forming a slimy, sticky-yet-astringent layer of gook. I now keep a microfiber cloth at hand just so I can dust shit off whenever I feel like it. Having to maintain that habit gets old, though.

It builds up on the ceiling fan the quickest. If I don't clean it once a week, it starts shooting off gobs of custard-scented dust globs. The tops and sides of the blades get covered, no matter which direction it spins. Sometimes it sprays the walls with little juice spatters, too. I'll never forget the first time it happened. I thought I heard a bug hit the wall followed by something spraying. Thought it was a cockroach, but what I saw instead was a glob of juicedust splattered up there. After that, it was just a cataclysm of dust globs hitting every wall. Fun to clean. Woulda preferred if it was a roach TBH :/

There are spots where it has seeped into the paint and isn't coming out. It's ruined some posters. I've since learned to move them out of the blast radius. The walls, I have everything I need to take care of, provided the drywall underneath is still okay. But there's no point if they're just gonna get hit again.

My computer is the other issue. Juice puddles used to condense under the chassis (on wood flooring, no less,) but setting it on a rug fixed that.

It generally stays away from the main components inside the case. It's just that goopy dust that's impossible to completely get out binds to the fans. I'm surprised it hasn't killed them all, yet. I'm pretty sure it just killed my CPU fan. My processor jumped up to 70C before I noticed that the fan was barely spinning. The motor definitely seems to be gunked-up. Good thing it happened while I was at home or I wouldn't be typing this until next week.


So now, I'm sitting here with a small window fan loudly pushing air into my open computer case (which is probably sucking more dust into it,) waiting on a new fan, and trying to figure out how to minimize this problem without not vaping in the bedroom or having to constantly clean like I have serious OCD. I literally have to keep every surface dust-free at all time or it takes over. I don't hate dust like that. Goop that destroys everything porous... ...different story.

Is there some filtration system that will work for this? Or maybe some way to at least filter the air going into the computer that's not some ghetto shit. I could do a liquid fanless setup, but that's pretty steep. Is there something I can treat the walls with? Perhaps some weather treating?

I know I could just not vape in here rather than attempt to vape-proof the room, but c'mon! It would suck to not be able to vape in the house anymore. That's supposed to be a benefit of vaping, right?
 

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Man you may want to buy a dehumidifier, I never heard of such a mess....my office is about the same size...no problems here except the normal dust buildup on a glass top desk.

You vaping with the door closed?
 

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You wouldn't happen to have 6 friends also chain vaping simultaneously would you? Seriously, it's really hard to take this seriously. After 4 years of basically excluding vaping to one room I've not once seen anything like this. Yeah, I have to keep up and clean what, once a week, a month, but I do that weekly anyway. But even if I'm lazy and don't dust for a month, I don't see anything even remotely like what your describing, just a slightly noticeable haze on mirrors/glass.
 

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Yeah, I'm at a loss, too. It's freaky, man! Incidentally, the windows stay clear. I'm pretty sure my vape could work with 6 people if I put a hookah attachment of some sort on it, though! :p

I do general cleaning once a week. What I have to do here is literally every surface. As long as I do that, I never see build up. But god forbid I miss a few spots.

First two years living/vaping here were fine, but as I've increased vapor production, it's really kicked up. Been like this for maybe the past 3 months. I know it's the vapor because I cleaned it before I went on vacation for a week and it stayed away for two weeks after I came back, minimal cleaning. I think at this point, there's a micro-layer of it on certain spots that causes it to build up faster in those areas.

But yeah, I do try to keep the door open. Sometimes I have a fan blowing out there, but sometimes it bugs the shit out of me. Also can't leave it on when I sleep. And I do vape in bed, which is in the far corner of the room. The airflow going out the door really isn't great on its own.

I've been trying not to fog it as much and that seems to help, so there's that. Sometimes when it's dark, I can't tell until I turn the light on, though. Other times, I just don't pay attention. May have to have a dedicated bedroom set-up that's way mellower than what I usually use.

I didn't even think to use a dehumidifier. I was thinking about getting one of those fancy particle filters to blow into.
 

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Well, if you're chain-clouding the room, yeah, my first suggestion would be to ease up. How much juice do you go through in a typical day?
 

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Well, if you're chain-clouding the room, yeah, my first suggestion would be to ease up. How much juice do you go through in a typical day?
Used to be 30ml, but it's closer to 20ml, now. Less than half of that in here. I really don't think it's increased all that much since before this was a thing I knew could happen, either.

Not saying that won't help. I'm sure it will. I'm just baffled as to why it took so long vaping at this capacity for it to start happening and continue happening. There has to be something else going on... ...or maybe I just want there to be :p
 

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Maybe cut down on the VG. I've vaped pretty much constantly for 2 1/2 yrs at my desk, in the kitchen, about 7 ft from a sliding glass door. No puddles, no globs. Nothing on my laptop or the other monitor beyond the normal dust. Nothing on the sliding glass doors that can't be accounted for from normal life and a cat's nose.

It's also 85% PG.

It just makes me wonder, if VG can do all that to the environment... why in the hell would anyone want that in their lungs???

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Did this just start when you turned air conditioning on by any chance? I drive truck, and I'm inside it 18-20 hours every day, and when I'm sitting waiting for something, it gets VERY cloudy in here. Over the winter, I had no extraordinary issues, but as soon as I began using the a/c this spring, it seemed like the vapor began catching the dust out of the air and began sticking to the dash and flat areas MUCH more so. At the same time, it somewhat stopped building up on the windshield.Wondering if it has something to do with humidity levels or something?

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Maybe cut down on the VG. I've vaped pretty much constantly for 2 1/2 yrs at my desk, in the kitchen, about 7 ft from a sliding glass door. No puddles, no globs. Nothing on my laptop or the other monitor beyond the normal dust. Nothing on the sliding glass doors that can't be accounted for from normal life and a cat's nose.
Ahh, see but your vaping style seems to be drastically different than mine. I've been sub-ohming 80%+ VG on mechs for far longer than this has been happening. That's what worked best for me and that's what I enjoy to this day. Like most people who have been vaping a certain way for a long time, I can't imagine doing things any differently at this point.

I really want to stress that my vaping style hasn't changed drastically in these past couple of years and it's only recently that this has begun to happen. Vapor production has gone up, but juice consumption has not drastically increased. I'm technically not even putting more VG into the air than I ever have in the entire time when this wasn't happening. That, I think, is the most critical piece of information here.

Also worth noting is that it generally doesn't get on the rest of my electronics, or individual items for that matter. I have rather expensive audio equipment that it never touches. It just gets sucked-in through the computer fans and accumulates on the walls/furniture. This is a custom machine that I built myself. It is made to move quite a lot more air than your typical consumer desktop, let alone laptop could ever need or muster. It's also on the floor in a clear space, where the vapor sinks, just sucking it all up. This is something I know has happened to other people before.

It's also 85% PG.
I could never vape that. Not even in a mild MTL setup. PG instantly makes my chest and airways tighten-up. Sends pain deep into my chest. I can't breathe out of my nose. Constantly have to clear my throat. 30% PG is pushing the limits of what I can comfortably tolerate and even then, I don't particularly enjoy it.

It just makes me wonder, if VG can do all that to the environment... why in the hell would anyone want that in their lungs???
I don't think it's a normal thing. I thought I'd share my story because I don't see anybody else mentioning this problem, which can only mean that it's not typical. This is new, even to me!

The VG buildup I'm facing is a whole lot like classic moisture damage. Enough regular old water vapor would have the same effect. I think it's a bit of a broad stroke to suggest that this points to VG presenting a health risk that PG wouldn't also present. VG is just denser, so it accumulates more easily in the air. In a cool enough space, the same quantities of PG would likely behave similarly. I would hope that my lungs are clearing that stuff out before it dries out and turns sticky! It should be warm and damp enough in there that it's not turning into sludge inside of my body. :p


I think the VG and sheer volume are two of a larger group of factors. I can only assume that something new is happening in here that wasn't happening before. Otherwise, this would have started up a long time ago. I think that if I can figure out what changed and find a way to control it, this'll be a non-issue like it was before.

Most likely explanation in my mind is that the humidity in the house has gone up and the added moisture in the air is bulking up the high-VG vapor enough for it to stick around and condense in this small, cool room. Florida's subtropical summer is in full-swing. Perhaps the window seal is no good anymore and it's letting some of that swampy air in. Could also be that my AC is to blame.
Did this just start when you turned air conditioning on by any chance?
It's always on. I'm the only one going in and out and I make sure I'm quick about closing the door. I don't even turn it off in the winter because it's still humid most days and bugs/frogs always seem to find a way in...

But I do think you're onto something with the humidity thing. I'm gonna have to start looking for ways that it might be building up in the house.

Who knows? Maybe it's time to purge the ducts and all of the extra dust that would be circulating is to blame.
 
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Ahh, see but your vaping style seems to be drastically different than mine. I've been sub-ohming 80%+ VG on mechs for far longer than this has been happening. That's what worked best for me and that's what I enjoy to this day. Like most people who have been vaping a certain way for a long time, I can't imagine doing things any differently at this point.

I really want to stress that my vaping style hasn't changed drastically in these past couple of years and it's only recently that this has begun to happen. Vapor production has gone up, but juice consumption has not drastically increased. I'm technically not even putting more VG into the air than I ever have in the entire time when this wasn't happening. That, I think, is the most critical piece of information here.

Also worth noting is that it generally doesn't get on the rest of my electronics, or individual items for that matter. I have rather expensive audio equipment that it never touches. It just gets sucked-in through the computer fans and accumulates on the walls/furniture. This is a custom machine that I built myself. It is made to move quite a lot more air than your typical consumer desktop, let alone laptop could ever need or muster. It's also on the floor in a clear space, where the vapor sinks, just sucking it all up. This is something I know has happened to other people before.


I could never vape that. Not even in a mild MTL setup. PG instantly makes my chest and airways tighten-up. Sends pain deep into my chest. I can't breathe out of my nose. Constantly have to clear my throat. 30% PG is pushing the limits of what I can comfortably tolerate and even then, I don't particularly enjoy it.


I don't think it's a normal thing. I thought I'd share my story because I don't see anybody else mentioning this problem, which can only mean that it's not typical. This is new, even to me!

The VG buildup I'm facing is a whole lot like classic moisture damage. Enough regular old water vapor would have the same effect. I think it's a bit of a broad stroke to suggest that this points to VG presenting a health risk that PG wouldn't also present. VG is just denser, so it accumulates more easily in the air. In a cool enough space, the same quantities of PG would likely behave similarly. I would hope that my lungs are clearing that stuff out before it dries out and turns sticky! It should be warm and damp enough in there that it's not turning into sludge inside of my body. :p


I think the VG and sheer volume are two of a larger group of factors. I can only assume that something new is happening in here that wasn't happening before. Otherwise, this would have started up a long time ago. I think that if I can figure out what changed and find a way to control it, this'll be a non-issue like it was before.

Most likely explanation in my mind is that the humidity in the house has gone up and the added moisture in the air is bulking up the high-VG vapor enough for it to stick around and condense in this small, cool room. Florida's subtropical summer is in full-swing. Perhaps the window seal is no good anymore and it's letting some of that swampy air in. Could also be that my AC is to blame.

It's always on. I'm the only one going in and out and I make sure I'm quick about closing the door. I don't even turn it off in the winter because it's still humid most days and bugs/frogs always seem to find a way in...

But I do think you're onto something with the humidity thing. I'm gonna have to start looking for ways that it might be building up in the house.

Who knows? Maybe it's time to purge the ducts and all of the extra dust that would be circulating is to blame.

I think you nailed it in your last few statements... Humidity. If in the winter it is still that humid than that is your problem. Try out a dehumidifier, it should really help. All the moisture in the air + dust+lotsa high vg vapor = flying sticky dust. :xD:
 

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I vape about 10ml max VG, no problems at all... Almost sounds like you have a major humidity problem... if there's juice by my tower it's because I spilled some lols.. Recently cleaned my heatsink/cpu fan it was dusty but not wet at all, actually my whole case seems to be bone dry.. I'd recommend a dehumidifier, if you don't have one on hand stick that fan in your window so it blows the humidity outside...
 

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I think you nailed it in your last few statements... Humidity. If in the winter it is still that humid than that is your problem. Try out a dehumidifier, it should really help. All the moisture in the air + dust+lotsa high vg vapor = flying sticky dust. :xD:

Yeah I was thinking that too, the humidity -- AC takes care of most of it, but down here in the south, and probably worse in FL, there's no way the AC can take out ALL that humidity -- mix that humidity with all that VG, and yeah, big mess.

Never have understood what's so irritating about PG though. Only time it bothered me was when I vaped 90% PG, and even at that, it took over a week of regular use to irritate my throat, right at the same time we were turning on the furnace for the winter, which is also very drying and irritating. The thing I find so incomprehensible is the people saying this about vaping PG are vapers, right, which means +99% of 'em used to be smokers... inhaling hot toxic smoke all day every day for fun and pleasure. :D

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I've lost a pc from VG. Opened it up and was caked all to hell. I now run a box fan facing the hallway.
 

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dual use? vaping and cig smoke will put a coating on mirrors in just one heavy seesion, like if a friend is still a smoker or something
 

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dual use? vaping and cig smoke will put a coating on mirrors in just one heavy seesion, like if a friend is still a smoker or something
My son purchased the pc like 4 years ago. He upgraded and gave it to me. We've quit smoking long before then. The problem was I chained vaped and the room would look like Vape Fest. The vg was sucked into the pc fan. VG coated everything inside. It was a sticky film. Water droplets everywhere as well. VG absorbs water. My son was so pissed. He spent days trying to remove the vg with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol.
 

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I crack the window in my vape room and put a small fan on the window ledge blowing out and blow my vapor towards the fan. I know it doesn't help the electric bill, but it keeps the vapor out. If that's not an option, maybe try one of those small, desktop smoke eater, air filter things. I also keep the ceiling fan on so the vapor doesn't settle before the window fan has a chance to exhaust it.
 

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I've lost a pc from VG. Opened it up and was caked all to hell. I now run a box fan facing the hallway.
dual use? vaping and cig smoke will put a coating on mirrors in just one heavy seesion, like if a friend is still a smoker or something
My son purchased the pc like 4 years ago. He upgraded and gave it to me. We've quit smoking long before then. The problem was I chained vaped and the room would look like Vape Fest. The vg was sucked into the pc fan. VG coated everything inside. It was a sticky film. Water droplets everywhere as well. VG absorbs water. My son was so pissed. He spent days trying to remove the vg with q-tips and isopropyl alcohol.

my bad, I was directing my post to the OP saying that if there's combustibles in the room, the coating everything problem can multiply exponentially. If there are no combustibles in the room then it's the flavor additives or it could be atmospheric such as high humidity.
 

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my bad, I was directing my post to the OP saying that if there's combustibles in the room, the coating everything problem can multiply exponentially. If there are no combustibles in the room then it's the flavor additives or it could be atmospheric such as high humidity.
I vaped for years in front of the computer. Never had this problem until I started cloud chasing in a smaller room. Moved to Pa from the Fl. Keys. My air conditioner keeps the air very dry as well. My flavorings are no more than 3%. I'm sticking to the VG story Lol
 

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A desktop smoke eater thing could make a world of difference; I think I'll start checking out the market on those where silence of operation would be the deciding factor. Good idea, BoomStick. Maybe there's new ones that are super quiet. What about those 'room ionizer' devices? I wonder if anyone has had any luck with those?
 

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I work in the living room portion of our basement a couple days out of the week and vape while down there. My wife has regulated my chain vaping to my "man cave" as the residue on the coffee table, picture frames, etc was every where and hard to clean. I do have a fan going in the other room but that becomes gunky and gross after a week.
 

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Seems to me the title of this thread should be "VG residue in room", not just ANY vapor -- my thin vapor leaves zero residue anywhere. And I must say, reading about the gunky residue that VG leaves on *things* makes me totally unsurprised that my lungs can feel and object to that residue, if I vape more than 15% VG. Sounds nasty! So my asthma is protecting me from that nasty gunk, by not allowing me to vape much VG at all.

I still can't imagine why anyone would want to inhale that crap -- why bother switching from cigarettes at all, if you're still inhaling something thick and sticky and nasty? About the only improvement is that VG isn't carcinogenic, and doesn't stink the way that cigarette smoke does. I guess that's good enough for some people.

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Way more people have a sensitivity to PG than VG. I vape similarly as you, though, Andria. My lungs just can't take more than 30. I think Rob mentioned being sensitive to PG.
 

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If a vaper runs a high heat, heavily flavored, high vg cloud rig they'll probably benefit from proper room ventilation. If any one of these three things are lowered, it gets incrementally less messy. I run a high heat, moderately high vg (65), no flavorings set up and have zero mess like AndriaD and others. So there's different ways to approach the issues . . . I can say that vg alone is not the issue, just like flavorings alone are not the issue when addressing room gunk.

If gunking out, secure proper ventilation, humidity etc. Then, if a vaper still feels unclean in some way, consider the overall nature of the set up and make adjustments.
 

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A desktop smoke eater thing could make a world of difference; I think I'll start checking out the market on those where silence of operation would be the deciding factor. Good idea, BoomStick. Maybe there's new ones that are super quiet. What about those 'room ionizer' devices? I wonder if anyone has had any luck with those?
I think something with a fan and a filter element would probably work best for vaping purposes. I had one made by Holmes a few years back. About $30. I've seen ultra quiet air filters advertised recently also. Could probably find something that would fit the bill on the webz pretty easily.
 

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Way more people have a sensitivity to PG than VG. I vape similarly as you, though, Andria. My lungs just can't take more than 30. I think Rob mentioned being sensitive to PG.

That does seem to be the case. One thing I've noticed, which is a good thing: people seem to be sensitive or intolerant of only one or the other; I don't think I've seen a case of someone being sensitive to both.

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That does seem to be the case. One thing I've noticed, which is a good thing: people seem to be sensitive or intolerant of only one or the other; I don't think I've seen a case of someone being sensitive to both.

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That would suck.... :( I hope there isn't anyone out there like that.
 

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Didn't read the whole tread but your description reminds me of Florida. You have issues with humidity in combination with vapor probably. Up here in the mountains humidity is very low so I don't have any issues even me turning 20-30 mls of VG into vapor every day. We had few days of rain last week and that was first time that I could actually smell blackberry custard when I walked in.
I work with some other pungent things and have found that room (office) size ozon generator can clean up the indoor air very efficiently even from more aggressive terpenes. Most probably dehumidifier and ozone generator will fix your problems.
 

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I would think the effectiveness of a filter for vaping would be related to what it's design minimal particulate size is.
For smoke particles, I think you need a MERV 14 or better due to the small size. I was setting up to have a whole house MERV15 system complete with differential pressure gauge (to not burn out the furnace fan motor), to help counter our smoking habit... before I quit smoking and turned to vaping.
How small is a vape particle ? Is it same as water ? If so, then you would want to precipitate it out with a dehumidifier like anen posted above. A filter made to strain water out of the air would just clog up like a rag .
I recall reading one time about how charged ion ozone generators were not good for you (like anything else is..).
Was it that they charged particles and then those particles can 'stick' in places where they normally wouldnt (like in your lungs) ?
 

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Good catch. Sorry, didn't think about that . You can run ozon generator while you are not occupying the space and turn it OFF while you are at home. I spend few hours a day in "ozon loaded" space, half a year only so when they are "on" , I let them stay "on". No bad effects on health so far.
I do know that overexposure can cause respiratory system irritation but I have not experienced any so far.
Maybe run it while not home, with AC fan On so it clears out deposits that accumulated in the ducts?
 
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I totally get what you are saying! While I don't have it bad, there is a residue on my Windows and mirrors I have to wipe off weekly. I have a bilevel house. When you walk in the front door, you go up 6 steps to the main living floor or down 7 steps to what we call "the girl cave". The girl cave is half underground so I do have 2 windows for ventilation. We also have central air conditioning and a dehumidifier. I am a heavy vaper and can easily vape 30-40ml a day. It's not a bad build up, but it definitely there!


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I was going to say that I live in a high humidity environment and haven't noticed any issues. Then again I don't vape near that much juice every day either, more like 4-5ml not 20-30+. Maybe that has something to do with it, shear quantity. I could see the vg buildup being an issue with a lot of vapor production but the vaping doesn't cause dust bunnies. Only a rag and some pledge or something will tackle that separate issue :p My juices tend to vary, some 65pg/35vg, others 65vg/35pg and some max vg.

Some people seem to have an issue with a 'film' covering things like monitor or tv screens, I've not noticed it when cleaning though. No weird smearing or smudging and no difference in my pc which sits on my desk next to my monitor. Definitely no mutant dust bunnies since I've been vaping. Maybe because my pc's intake fans face away and there's several exhaust fans on the top and rear, it could be blowing the vapor away rather than sucking it in? This room is also fairly small, around 10x12. Indoor humidity is around 61% and outdoor humidity is 86% at the moment.
 

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Never have understood what's so irritating about PG though. Only time it bothered me was when I vaped 90% PG, and even at that, it took over a week of regular use to irritate my throat, right at the same time we were turning on the furnace for the winter, which is also very drying and irritating. The thing I find so incomprehensible is the people saying this about vaping PG are vapers, right, which means +99% of 'em used to be smokers... inhaling hot toxic smoke all day every day for fun and pleasure. :D
The bulk of what's in our vapes can be considered respiratory irritants. But everyone's body is different. Some people are more sensitive to certain irritants than they are to others. High-PG hurts me to vape. It is literally painful to inhale - my lungs recoil and try to resist it. Cigarettes never had that effect on me.

And to what you said further down... ...I tolerate VG very well. I have never felt that heaviness. I've never hacked up any gunk, nor had any buildup in my airways that I know of. PG actually tended to cause that for me due to my body's response to the irritation and how severely it would dry-out my airways.

My lungs seem to function pretty well... ...much better than when I was smoking! I enjoy a fairly active lifestyle, working on my feet 45-50 hours a week and doing moderate to heavy cardio on my downtime 4-5 days a week. Never, throughout all of this, do I feel held-back by my lung function. I get hungry and sore, but that's about it.

So I really do think it's a stretch to correlate the buildup of VG on walls with the buildup of VG in the lungs. Completely different conditions in this room from the ones in a healthy person's lungs. Just because something is causing it to build-up on the walls doesn't mean that the lungs necessarily can't drain it. If that was the case, I and a lot of other long time VG vapers would be having some pretty major issues by now, given the massive quantities of it that we tend to inhale.


Thanks for all of the suggestions and observations, folks. I've got some experimenting to do...
 
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I would think the effectiveness of a filter for vaping would be related to what it's design minimal particulate size is.
For smoke particles, I think you need a MERV 14 or better due to the small size. I was setting up to have a whole house MERV15 system complete with differential pressure gauge (to not burn out the furnace fan motor), to help counter our smoking habit... before I quit smoking and turned to vaping.
How small is a vape particle ? Is it same as water ? If so, then you would want to precipitate it out with a dehumidifier like anen posted above. A filter made to strain water out of the air would just clog up like a rag .
I recall reading one time about how charged ion ozone generators were not good for you (like anything else is..).
Was it that they charged particles and then those particles can 'stick' in places where they normally wouldnt (like in your lungs) ?
Smoke particles are wayyyy smaller than droplets of vg. In a room where the air is still, turn off the lights except for a desk lamp or something. Blow the high vg vapor at the lamp and look closely at the vapor. You can actually see the individual droplets. They're gigantic compared to smoke particles. And I don't see how a dehumidifier will work the same with water vapor and droplets of oil. Not that a dehumidifier wouldn't help, but I still think the best options are exhaust the air or filter it.
 

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Smoke particles are wayyyy smaller than droplets of vg. In a room where the air is still, turn off the lights except for a desk lamp or something. Blow the high vg vapor at the lamp and look closely at the vapor. You can actually see the individual droplets. They're gigantic compared to smoke particles. And I don't see how a dehumidifier will work the same with water vapor and droplets of oil. Not that a dehumidifier wouldn't help, but I still think the best options are exhaust the air or filter it.

Oil??? There's no oil in ecigs, either before it's vaporized or after!

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I get a pretty heavy film on the interior windows of my car, but I haven't noticed an increase of gunk around the house. I'll have to look around when I get home tonight and see if I can find a film on anything. I know my ceiling fan hasn't been launching anything I could mistake for a cockroach though...
 

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my ceiling fan hasn't been launching anything I could mistake for a cockroach though...

That still makes me laugh and squirm at the same time.. we should make that some kind of measurement standard..

TBH, I feel bad for the OP if he compares things to cockroaches.. I dunno wtf I would do if I ever seen one (maybe Im too far north at 48deg+)

Seriously though.. maybe we're on to something here ? Why is there deposited residue in some case and not in others ? Could this relate to future health issues ?
 

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That still makes me laugh and squirm at the same time.. we should make that some kind of measurement standard..

TBH, I feel bad for the OP if he compares things to cockroaches.. I dunno wtf I would do if I ever seen one (maybe Im too far north at 48deg+)

Seriously though.. maybe we're on to something here ? Why is there deposited residue in some case and not in others ? Could this relate to future health issues ?

You've never seen a roach? I can't decide if that makes you ridiculously privileged or seriously inexperienced in life. :D

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You've never seen a roach? I can't decide if that makes you ridiculously privileged or seriously inexperienced in life. :D

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There are a lot of pests us who live in the Far North don't have to worry about that are part of everyday life in the Lower 48.

In Alaska never have to contend with: roaches, fleas or rats
 

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There are a lot of pests us who live in the Far North don't have to worry about that are part of everyday life in the Lower 48.

In Alaska never have to contend with: roaches, fleas or rats

I'd sure love to be free of fleas. Just re-annointed the back of our cat's head/neck last night, she's been scratching so much; so naturally, first thing when i walked in the kitchen this AM, the fleas that are no longer on her decided to take a shot at ME, and i had to annoint myself with caladryl while getting dressed! They're always terrible in late summer.

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Roaches.. I can deal with. Water Bugs/Palmetto Bugs... OH HELL NO!!!! Those motherfuckers chase me for fun... Until I find a flip flop. :xD::xD::xD:
 

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I know what the OP is talking about.
Although I've never experienced it to the degree he has.
I get a build up of something on the inside of my windows, that I clean off with warm soapy water every so often. I put it down to vaping, but it could be caused by other things.
 

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I quit vaping max VG in part because it would build up on my glasses and cause serious smudging issues. I was having to actually wash my glasses with soap and water a couple of times a day or it was smudge city. Wiping them off with alcohol would not cut it.
 

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Roaches.. I can deal with. Water Bugs/Palmetto Bugs... OH HELL NO!!!! Those motherfuckers chase me for fun... Until I find a flip flop. :xD::xD::xD:
"Palmetto bug". LOL. Those are giant roaches, size of a smaller bird. I had a dog that was obsessed with those things.
 

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Roaches.. I can deal with. Water Bugs/Palmetto Bugs... OH HELL NO!!!! Those motherfuckers chase me for fun... Until I find a flip flop. :xD::xD::xD:

I don't like ANY of them; roaches call for all-out war so they don't get a foothold, because once they do, it's damn near impossible to get rid of 'em -- I've put my foot down on NO cardboard boxes from ANY grocery or restaurant, NO exceptions. Palmetto bugs... I hate them even worse because they're just fucking horrible; they warrant calling The Slayer to come in person and slay the creepy beast. Fucking Gigantors of Roachdom. :xD:

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"Palmetto bug". LOL. Those are giant roaches, size of a smaller bird. I had a dog that was obsessed with those things.

Our cat chases them, but won't kill them; dunno why, she kills everything else smaller than she is! At least the chasing notifies us of their presence.

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Haha, I always tell people that if roaches bug ya, then Florida may not be the place for you.

We have our own native species of roach, the Florida Woods Cockroach - AKA the Palmetto Bug. Monsters. Adults start upwards of an inch. To my knowledge, these are the only ones that spray. And let me tell you that shit is horrible. Me, my dad, and my uncle had to clean-out a shed infested with them once. Floor was covered with them. Not the best sound or feeling under your boots and the odor is immediate. It smells like every kind of death, rotting meat, rotten fruit, rotting vegetables, detritus... ...definition of pungent. They're terrible flyers, too. Get one flying under a ceiling fan and all bets are off as to which way they'll go.

Those guys aren't that scary, though. If you find one in your house, chances are it doesn't want to be there. They really can't survive well in your house. They don't feed on the stuff in there. You'll more likely find one dead somewhere if you do find one in your house. If not, it will be soon, because they're very slow-moving.

More common are the slightly smaller american roach, which a lot of people think is a palmetto bug. Sometimes, they're actually bigger, but they also tend to be pretty solitary and also don't want to be in your nice, cool living space. They also secrete stinky shit, but they can't spray it a few feet like the real thing can. Rain probably brought them in from your yard, or they're on their way back to your attic or basement. Just passing through. :)

The teeny little German ones are the worst. They reproduce tenaciously. By the time you see just one moving around in the light, they've already taken over - there are often dozens to hundreds more somewhere nearby, where as with the guys above, though they're big and scary, the ones you spot are typically the only ones... ...unless you have a dumpster inside your house or accidentally brought in a bunch in a nice, comfy box.

Another non-palmetto bug often called one (roaches on the other hand, are mistaken for waterbugs... ...go figure) that is genuinely scary, is the giant waterbug. They're everywhere here. They love lakes, ponds, and ditches. They swim and fly. They eat lizards and frogs and shit about that size. They have a venom that dissolves their insides into goo. And yes, they bite. Supposedly one of the most painful bites you can endure. Makes you think twice about going barefoot into fresh water... ...and you folks get squeamish over a little old roach.
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Haha, I always tell people that if roaches bug ya, then Florida may not be the place for you.

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Those guys aren't that scary, though. If you find one in your house, chances are it doesn't want to be there. They really can't survive well in your house. They don't feed on the stuff in there. You'll more likely find one dead somewhere if you do find one in your house. If not, it will be soon, because they're very slow-moving.

I dunno, the giant ones we get are pretty fast moving; that's why our cat likes them. And they seem to like it in here when it's raining; they always come in, then. And the ones we get here, I'm not really sure they're actually roaches; I think they're beetles of some type, very hard-shelled.

The one or two of regular roaches I've seen, I'm pretty sure they came in in grocery boxes -- once we got rid of the boxes, we've seen no more roaches, period -- and I watch for those suckers, because they're so hard to eradicate. I think it helps that our home is built on a concrete slab, rather than a wood-framed foundation w/crawl space; lots fewer places for them to hide.

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o_O Really? Vegetable glycerin is made from plant oils.

"Made from" is not the same as "is" -- it's completely water soluble. Sucralose is "made from" sugar... but it's not sugar.

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