Do I need a Sub Ohm?

drewdrew104 · Sep 7, 2016

I'm in quite a dilemma here. I just started vaping a couple weeks ago and so far my experience hasn't been too great. I mainly started vaping for the flavor, and the cheapest option to start it was the Ego AIO pen. So far nothing has been very flavorful at all, but I'm not sure if it's bad juice or a bad vape. If I were to get a sub ohm, I'd pretty much have no idea what I'd be doing or what parts to buy, I don't even know what ohm's really means. How does someone like me get set up?

MannyScoot · Sep 7, 2016

drewdrew104 said:
I'm in quite a dilemma here. I just started vaping a couple weeks ago and so far my experience hasn't been too great. I mainly started vaping for the flavor, and the cheapest option to start it was the Ego AIO pen. So far nothing has been very flavorful at all, but I'm not sure if it's bad juice or a bad vape. If I were to get a sub ohm, I'd pretty much have no idea what I'd be doing or what parts to buy, I don't even know what ohm's really means. How does someone like me get set up?

Spend some time on YouTube and of course here...... Everyone tries to help but getting the right tank and coils is essential, and the mod to push it...... I've done Nautilus, Maganus, Freemax, Kangertech, and to be honest a top beginning tank is a Freemax its a subohm tank and wonderful great tasting coils..... But to burn right you need a box of at least 85 watts.

This tank will help you learn about Subohming, vapor production, tank maintenance, and coils.

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pulsevape · Sep 7, 2016

drewdrew104 said:
I'm in quite a dilemma here. I just started vaping a couple weeks ago and so far my experience hasn't been too great. I mainly started vaping for the flavor, and the cheapest option to start it was the Ego AIO pen. So far nothing has been very flavorful at all, but I'm not sure if it's bad juice or a bad vape. If I were to get a sub ohm, I'd pretty much have no idea what I'd be doing or what parts to buy, I don't even know what ohm's really means. How does someone like me get set up?

Someone like you?.....you mean someone like all of us.......we all started where you are now not knowing and ohm from a volt. Relax take your time vaping is a big world and there are lots of different things to try.as for flavor yeah it very well could be your set up,but it also could be your tastebuds are trashed from smoking and need a little time to clear...sub homing has become the norm,but is in no way the only or even the best style of vaping for you.

nightshard · Sep 7, 2016

I would try a few more juices before blaming the flavor on the atty.
Besides that there are several heads, some for MTL and some for DL with different resistances available for your atty that you could try.

Neunerball · Sep 7, 2016

nightshard said:
I would try a few more juices before blaming the flavor on the atty.
Besides that there are several heads, some for MTL and some for DL with different resistances available for your atty that you could try.

+1

It took me a while to find the right eJuice to my liking. Ideally, you want to have 3-4 different eJuices, you can rotate during the day, in order to avoid "Vapor's tongue" (the inability to taste your eJuice at all).

Lefty · Sep 7, 2016

By all accounts it's a decent little rig to start with. Much better than many of us started with. You say you mainly started for the flavor. Are you trying to transition from smoking? Smoking trashes your taste buds. The less you smoke the more you'll taste. It's one of the reasons quitting smokers gain weight. Try some different flavors perhaps from a different source as well. Going sub-ohm is not necessary for flavor and may in fact be much harder for your lungs to handle as a starting vaper due to the higher level of vapor and directly inhaling to your lungs - as opposed to drawing into your mouth then inhaling to whatever degree like smoking a cigarette - due to the higher airflow used by most sub-ohm devices.

drewdrew104 · Sep 7, 2016

Lefty said:
By all accounts it's a decent little rig to start with. Much better than many of us started with. You say you mainly started for the flavor. Are you trying to transition from smoking? Smoking trashes your taste buds. The less you smoke the more you'll taste. It's one of the reasons quitting smokers gain weight. Try some different flavors perhaps from a different source as well. Going sub-ohm is not necessary for flavor and may in fact be much harder for your lungs to handle as a starting vaper due to the higher level of vapor and directly inhaling to your lungs - as opposed to drawing into your mouth then inhaling to whatever degree like smoking a cigarette - due to the higher airflow used by most sub-ohm devices.

No, I never came from a smoking background. I got into it because my friend vapes and he let me try his one time, and it was really good. Mainly just a taste thing, one thing I was thinking it could be is the juice I have now is max VG. I heard max vg doesn't really carry as much flavor as 50/50. or am I wrong?

Lefty · Sep 7, 2016

High VG will mute flavor to a degree and add some sweetness but produce more vapor when compared to PG. PG is water thin and is the base used in most flavor concentrates used to mix juice. Max VG is on the thick side for the .6 ohm coils that come with the AIO. The juice feed holes on the bottom of the coil are pretty small for a very thick juice. A 50/50 mix would not only carry more flavor but also wick better letting your coil absorb the juice faster. Less chance of a "dry hit" burning your wick and giving you flavor you don't want to experience.

Rabbit Slayer · Sep 7, 2016

Ask all the questions you need to get a grasp on things. and to help us help you, give as much info as you can so we don't need to ask you a bunch of question. Like for this thread, what juice are you using, what is the VG/PG ratio

and I'm pretty sure the AIO is a subΩ device....SubΩ just means under 1.00Ω

Does it give you a better vape when it is fresh off the charger?

Lefty · Sep 7, 2016

Yep, that's true, technically you are already sub-ohming using the .6 ohm coils. Although the AIO is not your typical sub-ohm device, at least in comparison to most sub-ohm tanks, in that it has a fairly restrictive air flow and is mainly intended for mouth to lung vaping.
I don't know what setup your friend has but it might be one that your basic entry level device can't match for flavor.

MannyScoot · Sep 7, 2016

I super subohm around .08, I just feel everything pops below .10 but a decent Vape at .20 to .25

I Vaped for 2 year a .50 on a DNA40 until I got my Maganus tank, then it was downhill from there......

And I have blown up my share of parallel and Series boxes fucking around....... Even switch boxes.....

A big secret is using the best batteries there are...... And that's final..... I can tell the quality and power of a Vape using Sony VTC5 that I just bought (12) Sony vtc6......

Get the best cells !!!!

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SirRichardRear · Sep 8, 2016

what are you looking to spend and what exactly do you want. just more flavor and vapor?

drewdrew104 · Sep 8, 2016

SirRichardRear said:
what are you looking to spend and what exactly do you want. just more flavor and vapor?

I really don't care much about vapor production as long as the flavor is there. I have some new juice that'll ship in about 3 days I'll see if that does it.

MannyScoot · Sep 8, 2016

Here are my (4)

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favorite and flavor rtas.....

The Boreas
The Tank by Scottua
The aromamizer supreme
The Modfather

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SirRichardRear · Sep 8, 2016

drewdrew104 said:
I really don't care much about vapor production as long as the flavor is there. I have some new juice that'll ship in about 3 days I'll see if that does it.

the basic is

high ohm (above 1) = low wattage, less flavor, less vapor, better battery life, Mouth to lung vape (like smoking)
sub ohm (under 1) = high wattage, more flavor, more vapor, worse battery life, Direct to lung vape

Could just be your juice, or could be your set up not producing enough vapor for your taste. try another juice and let us know how it goes

Scribb|e · Sep 10, 2016

I disagree that SupraOhm (above 1 Ohm) vaping is necessarily 'less flavour', I'd argue that's where the flavour *is*, to be honest.

I've bought and used the whole gamut of toppers during the years I've been vaping, and to be honest, I've found myself drifting away from the dual-coil, 'Big Air', SubOhm toppers, and have started using my MTL, flavour-tanks again - I'm absolutely loving my Taifun GT2 v2 and my Kayfun v3+ at the moment, as well as my Bellus (in single-coil mode with a 0.8 316L coil in it).

I've also got a Flash-e-Vape v3 in rotation, and want to get my hands on a Rose v2 or v3 - all these tanks are regarded as 'classic' MTL, flavour-chasing ones for good reason - they suit that style of vaping far better than some SubOhm, Big Air tank with a high resistance coil in it and it's AFC dialled right down.

Also, max (or high) VG juice is *terrible* for carrying flavour - it needs to have *loads* of flavouring added to it to kind of 'force' the flavour out of the juice - it's much better to use something like 20/80 PG/VG juice to let at least *some* of the more subtle flavours have a chance.

SirRichardRear · Sep 10, 2016

Scribb|e said:
I disagree that SupraOhm (above 1 Ohm) vaping is necessarily 'less flavour', I'd argue that's where the flavour *is*, to be honest.

I've bought and used the whole gamut of toppers during the years I've been vaping, and to be honest, I've found myself drifting away from the dual-coil, 'Big Air', SubOhm toppers, and have started using my MTL, flavour-tanks again - I'm absolutely loving my Taifun GT2 v2 and my Kayfun v3+ at the moment, as well as my Bellus (in single-coil mode with a 0.8 316L coil in it).

I've also got a Flash-e-Vape v3 in rotation, and want to get my hands on a Rose v2 or v3 - all these tanks are regarded as 'classic' MTL, flavour-chasing ones for good reason - they suit that style of vaping far better than some SubOhm, Big Air tank with a high resistance coil in it and it's AFC dialled right down.

Also, max (or high) VG juice is *terrible* for carrying flavour - it needs to have *loads* of flavouring added to it to kind of 'force' the flavour out of the juice - it's much better to use something like 20/80 PG/VG juice to let at least *some* of the more subtle flavours have a chance.

It's all subjective people have different taste
Glad you found what you like though. It's not like a law what I said, just a basic summary. Some people might be happier vaping over 1 ohm and find the sub ohm has too much flavor. Nothing wrong with that. Vape on!

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bondo · Sep 11, 2016

SirRichardRear said:
It's all subjective people have different taste
Glad you found what you like though. It's not like a law what I said, just a basic summary. Some people might be happier vaping over 1 ohm and find the sub ohm has too much flavor. Nothing wrong with that. Vape on!

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^^^The #1 caveat to vaping...^^^

Sub ohm has become the norm.
Sub ohm,big air and max vg is ONLY there for those that want thick,fulldraw,chewy pulls.

I still find myself building just under 1.0 when building for flavor.
Not to say that anyone is doing it wrong but I think alot of people get caught up in the hoopla and forget some of their best experiences.
There's a delicate balance between res,airflow,juice and your buds.
@pulsevape for example, can chime in and tell you world's about genny vaping.
No sub ohm,no "mcnugget tanks"(his words),no 400w regulated mods,just
Some SS mesh,some good juice and trial and error to find that sweet spot that works for you. (Him)
Basically what I'm getting at is that it's entirely up to you to find what works.
It doesn't have to be sub ohm. It doesn't have to be pos ohm. It just has to work for you!

Just keep in mind that plenty of pre-sub ohm setups still rock out some flavor if you know what you're doing.

MannyScoot · Sep 11, 2016

I subohm around .15 to .20 and use 80VG or 85 VG and if you steep 2 weeks to a month prior to using the flavor is wonderful..... And sweetness.... My rta helps with clouds and flavor...... So it's really a matter of preference.....

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