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GorGon27

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I have droplets on everything. Walls TV Etc. If there is one downside to this.... However I do use it a lot. Anyone else notice this?
 

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It's raining in your house???:teehee::teehee:
Just kidding, vaping does leave a residue on things yes, but I find it wipes off easily, windex for windows and soapy damp cloth on everything else, I don't do "clouds" so mine is minimal.
 

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Yes, it's VG buildup.
I use sanitary wipes to get it off of my screens (TV, Laptop, etc...) and glass surfaces
 

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I have an apparently pretty unusual case of this. I started a thread about it a while back and got some pretty good answers.

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/vapor-residue-in-room.267327/

Just an update to that. The most important thing was temperature changes. In the day, I would run the AC at 73, but at night I would run it down to 69-70. I would turn it back up in the morning and have some liquid accumulating by the end of the day. Now, I just keep it at 71 24/7 and the buildup forms at a much more manageable rate.

Another thing that really does help is a dehumidifier. As was so astutely pointed out in the other thread, PG and VG are desiccants, meaning they actually latch onto moisture in the air. So when you have a lot of vapor and moisture in the air, the vapor particles fuse with the water in the air and condense in these bigger, heavier globs. I live in south Florida, so not much can be done there. As long as the AC is pulling in outside air, it's going to be a thing. I'm talking with an AC guy about things that can be done to further reduce the amount of moisture being taken in, but it seems there are some hard limits there... :/

Other than that, I just keep microfiber towels handy at all times and just periodically wipe down all of the affected surfaces.

Honestly, the most annoying thing is the box ceiling in my bedroom. The fan just throws juice all over that. I have this drywall stucco stuff on the ceiling. It's now cracking where the faces of the boxed ceiling come down. The rubber backing is peeling up in spots. Gonna have to plaster, paint and seal it. What seems to be happening is that the juice collects on the surface, while the water actually seeps in. It looks just like regular moisture damage. In the right light, you can actually see where it's seeped into the drywall. Weirdly enough, switching the fan over to clockwise helped with this. Didn't fix it, but it definitely made a difference.

So yeah, it can be a serious problem... ...not one I think can be fixed with a rag in all instances. Wish I had more answers for you. I'm still trying to find better solutions myself.
 

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My question about all this residue and I do have the same problem, if glyc leaves this residue on walls and glass, is there a residue on your lungs....I have vaped for over 4 years and when I switched from the old ego puffers and went on to sub ohming M-L I notice I cough up white phlem. No nowhere as bad as the brown stained filth when I was a smoker but this is starting to worry me.

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My question about all this residue and I do have the same problem, if glyc leaves this residue on walls and glass, is there a residue on your lungs....I have vaped for over 4 years and when I switched from the old ego puffers and went on to sub ohming M-L I notice I cough up white phlem. No nowhere as bad as the brown stained filth when I was a smoker but this is starting to worry me.

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I don't think anybody really knows the answer to that one. I am a sub-ohmer of several years and I don't have that problem. I vape max VG most of the time.

Might just be an irritation thing. That's often where the fluid production comes from... ...just your lungs trying to isolate and push something that they don't agree with out. I think the fluid you're getting is probably, for the most part, just phlegm and water with a little juice mixed in. Maybe it's always been an issue but you never noticed because the quantity was lower. Something in your juice could be causing it. PG in any decent quantity does this to me... ...phlegm city in all of my airways.

I think the lungs are generally pretty good about keeping liquid out. They have mechanisms for draining things like water vapor and VG out. But it probably depends a lot on the condition of your lungs. I can see VG being a problem if your lungs can't drain at 100%. I know that some people get "heavy lung" from VG. I think I probably don't because I started smoking young, quit while I was young, and have been active my whole life. So for someone like me, it may not be as much of an issue as it might be for someone who smoked further into adulthood and may not have the best lung function.
 
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GorGon27

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Yeah now that you mention it what about our lungs and our pets with much less lung capacity? These are all great answers. The thing is I blow clouds for hours. It is more than I can clean. Of course I clean the TV, Electronics and stuff. I have the box ceilings too with fans and it is a pain to clean. Luckily this does not seem to stain. Only someone that is a MD could say for sure on the lungs I suppose but I am sure there are MD's on this forum.

I have Multiple Dehumidifiers in the basement but they are way too loud for upstairs. Perhaps an air filter? I would like to know that because good ones are a grand and I don't want to waste it.

I had no idea what was doing this until I figured it out. I guess it is common knowledge but I did not know.
 

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I don't think anybody really knows the answer to that one. I am a sub-ohmer of several years and I don't have that problem. I vape max VG most of the time.

Might just be an irritation thing. That's often where the fluid production comes from... ...just your lungs trying to isolate and push something that they don't agree with out. Maybe it's always been an issue but you never noticed because the quantity was lower. Something in your juice could be causing it. PG in any decent quantity does this to me... ...phlegm city in all of my airways.

I think the lungs are generally pretty good about keeping liquid out. They have mechanisms for draining things like water vapor and VG out. But it probably depends a lot on the condition of your lungs. I can see VG being a problem if your lungs can't drain at 100%. I know that some people get "heavy lung" from VG. I think I probably don't because I started smoking young, quit while I was young, and have been active my whole life. So for someone like me, it may not be as much of an issue as it might be for someone who smoked further into adulthood and may not have the best lung function.
Totally agree. I vape 60vg 40 pg now...but when I did try 80/20 thats when the proverbial hit the fan. It ain't so bad with 60/40. I smoked for 41 years and yes I thing my lungs are st....fd. But vaping has helped heaps..

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My question about all this residue and I do have the same problem, if glyc leaves this residue on walls and glass, is there a residue on your lungs....I have vaped for over 4 years and when I switched from the old ego puffers and went on to sub ohming M-L I notice I cough up white phlem. No nowhere as bad as the brown stained filth when I was a smoker but this is starting to worry me.

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I read where one person, I don't remember if on this forum or another, had a chest xray after a few years of vaping. He had scars on his lungs from years of smoking and in that xray alot of scars were healing. His doctor made an educated guess that the extra moisture from the VG was helping to heal his lungs. :) But again, that was an educated guess.
 

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All this just makes me terrifically happy that I vape 85% PG, and exhale wisps rather than clouds -- it looks a lot like the smoke I used to exhale, but dissipates much faster... Zero residue on anything.

As for lungs... that's precisely why I vape 85% PG; anymore VG than that, and it feels like I have a hairball in my lungs and NOTHING will remove it.

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Very interesting replies thank you all that contributed. Makes me wonder about all these cloud chasers vaping high VG....As I said earlier a 50/50 mix for me is ok but if I increase the VG then is when the sputum starts.

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Yeah, Thanks everyone from me too. Come to think of it this started with 100% VG! For years I vaped 50/50 and I just noticed this which is why I brought it up. Now I know why! The thing is you will not get clouds with 50/50 and I think clouds taste better. Maybe placebo who knows.

I noticed though If I mess with the Preheat on a DNA 200 mod it does not set off the fire alarm so perhaps it does not accumulate. I shall see. Perhaps it is making it less dense by making it much hotter. It is dissipating instead of precipitating. Maybe.
 

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Yeah, Thanks everyone from me too. Come to think of it this started with 100% VG! For years I vaped 50/50 and I just noticed this which is why I brought it up. Now I know why! The thing is you will not get clouds with 50/50 and I think clouds taste better. Maybe placebo who knows.

I noticed though If I mess with the Preheat on a DNA 200 mod it does not set off the fire alarm so perhaps it does not accumulate. I shall see. Perhaps it is making it less dense by making it much hotter. It is dissipating instead of precipitating. Maybe.

I get so much much flavor from my Achilles RDA at 10w, with a 2ohm coil, using 85% PG, that when I first started using the Achilles, I kept feeling my lips to see if I was getting ejuice in my mouth -- I wasn't; it was just that intense of flavor. So that's TOTALLY "placebo", thinking you only get taste with massive clouds, and completely wrong. With massive clouds, all you get is massive clouds... and gooey shit everywhere.

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I get so much much flavor from my Achilles RDA at 10w, with a 2ohm coil, using 85% PG, that when I first started using the Achilles, I kept feeling my lips to see if I was getting ejuice in my mouth -- I wasn't; it was just that intense of flavor. So that's TOTALLY "placebo", thinking you only get taste with massive clouds, and completely wrong. With massive clouds, all you get is massive clouds... and gooey shit everywhere.

Andria
I really do not understand where this dichotomy comes from... ...just the idea that somehow vaping more juice and cramming that vapor into the same space somehow equates to less flavor. If anything, shouldn't the opposite be true?

I think back when cloud chasing became a thing, this idea was spread by people running the wrong builds in the then very new and unexplored, massive airflow atties. Yes, if you don't build to the airflow and/or dial it back appropriately, there will be no flavor. It's a different beast than what people were used to. Many people, not able to get the flavor they were used to by doing what they usually did, unfairly dismissed these atties as "cloud atties" and started calling everything else a "flavor atty."

I don't think I've ever met a cloud chaser that has actually said they only care about the clouds. Most also care about the flavor. More often people value them equally. If their cloud setups weren't delivering on the flavor, they wouldn't use them. Quite often, cloud atties are judged by the amount of flavor they can put out.

Personally, I don't think there is a be-all, end-all route to flavor. You can coax out tons of flavor with tootle-puffing MTL's, monster LH setups, and everything in between. I think it has less to do with the amount of vapor and more to do with the balance of vapor to air, your wicking, the heat, and the path that the vapor travels. It's not a matter of "Do you want flavor or not?" It's more about whether you prefer the feel of MTL or LH.

The gooey shit everywhere thing is still up for debate, though. :p I think it's situational. Not everyone seems to have this problem. As I recall, some other sub-ohmers who go through a lot of juice were surprised that I was having a build up problem. Something is still missing.
 

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I really do not understand where this dichotomy comes from... ...just the idea that somehow vaping more juice and cramming that vapor into the same space somehow equates to less flavor. If anything, shouldn't the opposite be true?

I think back when cloud chasing became a thing, this idea was spread by people running the wrong builds in the then very new and unexplored, massive airflow atties. Yes, if you don't build to the airflow and/or dial it back appropriately, there will be no flavor. It's a different beast than what people were used to. Many people, not able to get the flavor they were used to by doing what they usually did, unfairly dismissed these atties as "cloud atties" and started calling everything else a "flavor atty."

I don't think I've ever met a cloud chaser that has actually said they only care about the clouds. Most also care about the flavor. More often people value them equally. If their cloud setups weren't delivering on the flavor, they wouldn't use them. Quite often, cloud atties are judged by the amount of flavor they can put out.

Personally, I don't think there is a be-all, end-all route to flavor. You can coax out tons of flavor with tootle-puffing MTL's, monster LH setups, and everything in between. I think it has less to do with the amount of vapor and more to do with the balance of vapor to air, your wicking, the heat, and the path that the vapor travels. It's not a matter of "Do you want flavor or not?" It's more about whether you prefer the feel of MTL or LH.

The gooey shit everywhere thing is still up for debate, though. :p I think it's situational. Not everyone seems to have this problem. As I recall, some other sub-ohmers who go through a lot of juice were surprised that I was having a build up problem. Something is still missing.

I agree with all that -- I was responding to the idea that he could only have flavor if he had massive clouds -- that is absolutely not true at all. Nor is it true that you have to sub-ohm, or use massive wattage. The thin little wisps from mine provide so much flavor, I can't even use a tank anymore, I'm so spoiled by the intense flavor from an RDA.

Before all these subtanks, people vaped protanks, or kayfuns, or gennies, or RDAs; people vaped either 15w or less, or they subohmed with a mech. Now everyone has this idea that they need massive wattage, massive clouds, to be a real vaper -- and that is just not true. I have NEVER vaped higher than 12w, and rarely ever over 10w -- and I have plenty of flavor. And haven't touched a cigarette in over 2 yrs, so my little wisps are doing their job. I hate to think that people have the idea that in order not to smoke, they have to become human fog machines -- it's really not necessary, at least for most.

And if they're going to use huge percentages of VG, they're gonna have a mess to deal with -- the stuff is thick and sticky as honey; it's almost inescapable, because VG is every bit as hygroscopic as PG, and far stickier -- it's gonna grab every bit of moisture it can find, and then it's gonna stick to everything. It may not be the awful problem that you experienced, which yes, is probably because of the humidity in FL, and would no doubt be similar here in GA, but everyone that vapes a lot of VG encounters the residue problems, in their cars, on the windows in their homes, etc.

People need to know that vaping high-PG is possible, and a lot less troublesome to their environment, than all that VG -- and it needn't even be extreme like my 85% PG; 70/30 or 75/25 would serve very well too.

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I honestly don't know but isn't VG better for your health than PG? On the one hand all that gooey stuff might be in your lungs but PG is Radiator fluid!

I may have solved the problem though hopefully with a super hot Preheat. I know this might be true because the fire alarm did not go off all day Lol. At a reasonable Preheat the fire alarm would go off in 2 seconds. It must have been much more dense. Now the heat must be evaporating it.
 

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I honestly don't know but isn't VG better for your health than PG? On the one hand all that gooey stuff might be in your lungs but PG is Radiator fluid!

I may have solved the problem though hopefully with a super hot Preheat. I know this might be true because the fire alarm did not go off all day Lol. At a reasonable Preheat the fire alarm would go off in 2 seconds. It must have been much more dense. Now the heat must be evaporating it.
No, Pg is not radiator fluid. It is an ingredient in Radiator fluid, and a whole shitload of other products. It is also sprayed through hospital vents to circulate in the air as germ killer. Just sayin' ;)
 

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I honestly don't know but isn't VG better for your health than PG? On the one hand all that gooey stuff might be in your lungs but PG is Radiator fluid!

I may have solved the problem though hopefully with a super hot Preheat. I know this might be true because the fire alarm did not go off all day Lol. At a reasonable Preheat the fire alarm would go off in 2 seconds. It must have been much more dense. Now the heat must be evaporating it.
I see what you did there
 

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I honestly don't know but isn't VG better for your health than PG? On the one hand all that gooey stuff might be in your lungs but PG is Radiator fluid!

PG is most definitely NOT "radiator fluid". As to being "better for your health," it depends on the person: if I vaped even 70/30, I'd have to go to the hospital for an epi shot, maybe nebulizer treatments, my asthma attack would be so severe. So I stick to 85/15, or even 86/14 as it is right now because of the high humidity. OTOH, sensitivity to PG seems slightly more prevalent than sensitivity to VG... yet hospitals and doctors' offices DO disperse PG throughout their bldgs' ventilation systems, to hold down infectious agents; if it was really all that prevalent for people to be sensitive or allergic to PG, I doubt if hospitals and doctors would do that.

Chemically, VG and PG are rather similar. When I was experiencing dehydration problems, I looked into that, and yes, VG is every bit as hygroscopic as PG, but it might not be quite as perceptible, due to VG's emollient effect -- your mouth and throat will get just as dry with high VG, but you won't notice it as quickly, so that actually seems somewhat worse to me. When PG dries your mouth and throat, it gives you a message: DRINK SOMETHING!

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PG is the chemical that makes "pet safe" anti freeze pet safe.

it's because propylene glycol freezes at a way lower temperature then water and it's non toxic.

it's also used as "smoke juice" in theatrical fog machines.
 

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Very high Preheat was a very bad idea. I was on an old coil that suddenly "came back to life" including a new coil tested. It shot boiling hot vapor into my lungs and leaked all over my mod and myself. Great. I now went in the opposite direction. Very low Preheat and low punch. That combined with a Clean room grade air cleaner I just picked up seem to be working thus far. I am great at finding businesses that wish to get rid of monstrous super expensive equipment free to haul Lol. You should see my copy machine!
 

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Leave one window open on either side of your house... Pretty much all the time... Even a decent crack will help...

Works for me :)
 

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I vaped in the bathroom with the very good vent on. I turned it off. i came back later and juice had poured out of the vent all over the toilet seat below it! It sets off the fire alarms. I am going to be relegated to vaping in an unused room but like to do so in my bedroom.

I don't mean to be a jerk but I tried that. This home is too large for that to work. I would have to open multiple windows and it is cold out.
 

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I vaped in the bathroom with the very good vent on. I turned it off. i came back later and juice had poured out of the vent all over the toilet seat below it! It sets off the fire alarms. I am going to be relegated to vaping in an unused room but like to do so in my bedroom.

I don't mean to be a jerk but I tried that. This home is too large for that to work. I would have to open multiple windows and it is cold out.
High humidity and high VG tends to be much worse for this.
 

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Very interesting replies thank you all that contributed. Makes me wonder about all these cloud chasers vaping high VG....As I said earlier a 50/50 mix for me is ok but if I increase the VG then is when the sputum starts.

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me too,, i went from max vg to 50/50 (+/-) and i dont have any droplets. i do chain vape 30 mls @ 25-30w
 

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As an ex pharmacy manager and technician, I'd also like to point out that PG is the delivery vehicle for the large majority of most prescription medicines that are in inhalers too.
 

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