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Quad coil build on authentic Plume Veil. Lol its so bright it burns your eyes. Built super low so can't hold that button down long but it produces so much vapor a 2-3 second hit is all your gonna want. My next upgrade will be a 200 Watt box mod so I can build super long coils at 1 ohm to get amazing flavor out of my juices that don't like alot of heat like G2 Vapor Mr Cookie or Alice in Vapelands Zombie Apocalypse and still get huge clouds of vapor.
 

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22 guage 7 wraps on a plume veil clone, nothing crazy just a all day setup
 

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Twisted 24 @ .5ohm...obviously a Veritas (clone)......tasty warm way to enjoy "Cartoons" by Merkury. Power courtesy of 4nine clone.
 

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twisted 22 guage 9 wraps on a mephisto clone
 

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Igo W14, three vertical coils and 0.19 ohms.
Sick as tits? Nope. Just a regular, easy build thats does it for me. Good vapor, decent taste. Mech is 26650 Dynast.
 

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MacTechVpr

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I just had carpal tunnel release surgery on left wrist/hand 6 months ago, full invasive and I have some meaty ass hands, which makes for a longer heal time. I have to have the surgery on my right hand next fall as well as my right elbow. I can wrap coils fine by hand, but the pin vises seem like they would make it a bit easier on my left and on my right hand and elbow after surgery. After my first surgery I felt like Edward Scissorhands trying to wrap coils. I have been holding off on getting a coil jig. I gotta buddy that makes custom coil jigs that are killer and eventually he'll get around to making some more and make wrapping much easier. Right now he's caught up making box mods... killer box mods. Wrapping coils is subjective like a lot of things when it comes to vaping.

I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I have motor skill issues myself and realize there are a great many with limitations. In part why I set out to work out this skill long known and used by the electrical and electronics industries to make solenoids. Truth is kids making jump hoops have been making coils better than ours for a long time. In the process I was able to adapt a principle (strain) which perfects alumina isolation layers between the turns to make winds more efficient. The best of both worlds.

It takes no time and requires the strength even a child is capable of because you use finger pressure, the edge of the spool as a fulcrum and the pin vise for leverage. These factors multiply the energy along with the forearms to exert phenomenal tension. The result is you get this in a few seconds…


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It's a beautiful thing VC. Hope you make a stab at it. LMK if I can help.

Good luck.

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I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I have motor skill issues myself and realize there are a great many with limitations. In part why I set out to work out this skill long known and used by the electrical and electronics industries to make solenoids. Truth is kids making jump hoops have been making coils better than ours for a long time. In the process I was able to adapt a principle (strain) which perfects alumina isolation layers between the turns to make winds more efficient. The best of both worlds.

It takes no time and requires the strength even a child is capable of because you use finger pressure, the edge of the spool as a fulcrum and the pin vise for leverage. These factors multiply the energy along with the forearms to exert phenomenal tension. The result is you get this in a few seconds…


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It's a beautiful thing VC. Hope you make a stab at it. LMK if I can help.

Good luck.

:)
Well @MacTechVpr, I capitulated and purchased a coil jig. I honestly must admit that my coils look much tidier and seem to fire with increased bravado.
 
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If the ohms are right i'm going to have to copy your build
It ohms out to right under .2.. I can't remember the exact number, ive built it so much I just stopped checking the resistance since I know its inside my safe parameters lol.
 

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It ohms out to right under .2.. I can't remember the exact number, ive built it so much I just stopped checking the resistance since I know its inside my safe parameters lol.
Alright cool imma have to try it out it might be too warm for me
 

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It may be. I run it on a regulated mod at 60 to 80 watts. Beyond that is too intense for me lol
 

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It really depends on the juice as much as the build. I would NEVER run my Sat22 at over normal battery output/.7ohms, but my Veritas with a 24g twisted micro (.25 ohms) just SCREAMS at 75watts with "Cartoons" by Merkury.
 

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@Brian33 I think I'm having a brainfart so bear with me. What do you mean? It's on a siegeli 100 watt so I can dial in the wattage to where I want. At least I think that's kinda what your talking about lol
 

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It really depends on the juice as much as the build. I would NEVER run my Sat22 at over normal battery output/.7ohms, but my Veritas with a 24g twisted micro (.25 ohms) just SCREAMS at 75watts with "Cartoons" by Merkury.
I agree. I like vanilla custards at the top of wattage range I can stand, but with something kinda fruity I definitely prefer a lower wattage. Idk, to me (not a big fruit person) it gets a little on the floral side
 

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@Brian33 I think I'm having a brainfart so bear with me. What do you mean? It's on a siegeli 100 watt so I can dial in the wattage to where I want. At least I think that's kinda what your talking about lol
I dont have a variable wattage mod so what ever it pull it pulls
 

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Well @MacTechVpr, I capitulated and purchased a coil jig. I honestly must admit that my coils look much tidier and seem to fire with increased bravado.

Simple principle is that if they're as tight as nature permits and when pulsed they oxidize (insulate against shorts) uniformly (why we torch). The net effect is uniform performance. Make a few and you see that the vape is cooler than a standard m.c. What that means is you have very effective thermal transfer. English: you've vaped a lot of juice. Isn't that the objective? To get the energy of the wire to the juice? You've cooled down the coil temp and got the max vape in the process. Does that mean that tensioned m.c.'s can only do cold? No. It means they can handle more power efficiently. And if you want even more vapor production you can drop your res or up your power on a variable. But you won't be heating air (due to micro gaps in the wind). It's all going to the work, i.e. vaporizing!

Good luck.

:)
 

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Or vaping bowtie :D
 
First Clapton Coil. 28ga Kanthal wrapped around 22ga Nichrome. .4ohms and hits like a freight train. Vapor production is solid, and very dense. Flavor is pretty good, but not as amazing as one might think with the surface area available.
 

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CaFF

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Decided to tear down and rebuild my Omega clone.

Built my first "sleeper" style coils @ 1.3 ohms. Seven wraps each of 30 gauge Kanthal on a 2.4mm screwdriver. Coils got a wee bit bent trying to get it all in that bugger of an atty, but it works pretty well. Wicked with Hemp.

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.7 ohm 28ga vertical coil in an Infinite CLT, I now love vertical coils. Sorry for the picture quality, ya gotta use what ya have at hand... :)
 

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Just rebuilt it again. 26g 7/8 wraps .4-.5ohms
 

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.45 ohm super nano. 24 gauge on a 1/32 rod. 11/10 wrap.

This thing is a beast.

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I like 5 wraps of parallel 26g on a 3mm bit for .15 ohms. Good clouds/flavor on the 28.5 Stillare/copper BFM

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26g kanthal 2.4 mm screw .19 ohm quad coil.
I like to have cotton just enough to hold a few drops of juice and then see them to go white as I vape so I know I get all my juice in my lungs
 

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What Atty is that^^^

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Mephisto or mephisto clone it looks like
 

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26g kanthal 2.4 mm screw .19 ohm quad coil.
I like to have cotton just enough to hold a few drops of juice and then see them to go white as I vape so I know I get all my juice in my lungs

They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery…so nice job there on that counter-ratated micro wind. I don't mind getting a nod every once in a while. ;) It's an excellent emulation of the real thing.

Judging by the color (alone) if pulsed it doesn't appear to be a tensioned pair of coils which in great measure is what helps keep this coil's performance stable. When wound as a tensioned coil it behaves like a true micro achieving very uniform power distribution over this very wide element (24AWG?). When I conceived it I was skeptical but it turned out the cleanest most efficient wind I've dreamed up or duplicated off of ECF, reddit. So I try to run this on every conventional (3-post) mod I have (more than a few).

Giving credit where it's due, the wind first came to life as a straight right hand dual with twisted center post by MattyB1503 (ECF). To make this a unified coil I wound counter-rotated tensioned m.c's which terminated with top-existing pos leads. This allows the coil to be pulsed without torching as a single element enhancing its efficiency.

Nice stefan, great pics. Good luck.

:)
 

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They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery…so nice job there on that counter-ratated micro wind. I don't mind getting a nod every once in a while. ;) It's an excellent emulation of the real thing.

Judging by the color (alone) if pulsed it doesn't appear to be a tensioned pair of coils which in great measure is what helps keep this coil's performance stable. When wound as a tensioned coil it behaves like a true micro achieving very uniform power distribution over this very wide element (24AWG?). When I conceived it I was skeptical but it turned out the cleanest most efficient wind I've dreamed up or duplicated off of ECF, reddit. So I try to run this on every conventional (3-post) mod I have (more than a few).

Giving credit where it's due, the wind first came to life as a straight right hand dual with twisted center post by MattyB1503 (ECF). To make this a unified coil I wound counter-rotated tensioned m.c's which terminated with top-existing pos leads. This allows the coil to be pulsed without torching as a single element enhancing its efficiency.

Nice stefan, great pics. Good luck.

:)
Thanks MecTechVpr, I have been building only since 2 month and I am happy with this build (26AWG) inspiration was a video where he said no warm up time figured it out to be clock wise anti clock wise build.
What I like on this build is flavor is clean I did try dual but it always ads a hint of metallic.
thank you again I will keep up and try more builds for performance and flavor/clouds
 

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24g/.2ohm dual hybrid on an Orchid v4
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I fixed the top left double coil before reassembly. I'm vaping this particular build at 50w due to the tank containing 50/50 "Paisely" by Cashmere Millionaires.
 

MacTechVpr

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24g/.2ohm dual hybrid on an Orchid v4
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I fixed the top left double coil before reassembly. I'm vaping this particular build at 50w due to the tank containing 50/50 "Paisely" by Cashmere Millionaires.

<scratchin' noggin'>

I think nature sometimes creates things like this by accident. But I think I actually see the logic behind it. I'd be more tempted to stick to the universal pattern of symmetry though and place the hottest part of the coil over the greatest volume of flow with a tensioned screw wind like this…


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I'm kinda traditional like that sometimes. Pretty tho.

:D

Good luck.
 

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Another day gone by and I have my next build.
Took out my 22g and replaced it with a 26awg kanthal dual parallel 6 wraps 2.4mm screw driver. Reading at .19 ohms. (Using my new rayon wick)

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I admire you guys and your beautiful parallels. I cant make one, they always turn out shitty. How do you straighten your kanthal?
 

MacTechVpr

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Nice build stefan. I love parallel myself. Most of what I do for my own enjoyment is multi-wire. And for the most part hold up better in the wicking. Maybe it's more careful attention to the wind symmetry. I do as you do and detail to constrain the turns. Some nice oxidation there. Curious, is it the camera angle or is there considerably more bias off the perpendicular in that wind? If so, any reason? Here's some uniform oxidation on this 26 AWG tension wrap for my Helios/ZNA…


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I love it when it's tight.

Good luck.

:)
 

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I admire you guys and your beautiful parallels. I cant make one, they always turn out shitty. How do you straighten your kanthal?

Rommel I tension wind everything. It improves the efficiency of the wind. You have to experience it to understand how much. I cite on ECF and other places on the internet improvements of 20%. I think that's very conservative based on what builders including pro's tell me based on the temperature difference. COLD is the often used expression which to me translates as thermal efficiency (effective vaporization). Again that doesn't mean you have to wind at a cold resistance. Just that there was more vapor production.

I use a hook or ring or anything like that so I can balance the wire length and tension before the wind. A vise grip to hold it. Usually under my left knee as I wind. Forearms resting on the thighs. Once the wires are matched, I slip the open ends into the collet of a pin vise which I've mentioned here on VU and proceed with a tension wind. A few seconds later I have a perfect parallel tensioned microcoil that's pretty damned sticky. Still have to be careful with it but it's not tryin' to unravel on ya and you still have to guard the leads from getting fouled.

And most of my parallels are thin wire down to 32 AWG. With rare exception do I have to go down below .3Ω for the vapor production I need. It's easier with 22/24 AWG. You don't have to tension but then you still have to torch to oxidize or you'll run hot and run the risk of hot segments that'll spoil the vape (like a loose post connection). This just degrades the wire really impeding it's uniform oxidation. You'll never get the thermal output from it that you might have had.

Good luck to ya rom.

:)
 

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The problem used to be kanthal, couldnt just get it to stay in line. Just did a quick build, dual 24ga parallel at 0.28ohms. The flavor is awesome. Crisp, clean, just awesome. And this is in my cloud chasing 30mm Tobh Atty clone with six 2.5mm airholes and chimney so big santa tried to climb in there. And thanks for the tips on tension winding, have to explore that.
 

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You're round about where I'd be or shoot for. It will give you more density and saturation. Parallels to me are on the other side of straight wire from the added surface area of twisted which I also enjoy. A bit dryer, crisper as you say. But tension is another dimension altogether. It should make that .28Ω produce like something lower with less amp draw. It's hard to describe the vape in it's richness. I run Nextel on a half my lowΩ as I have too many to rewick. It yields the same wispiness that you see in free hand spaced winds that are more heating the vapor as it's produced than vaporizing. But it's not that kind of diffusion, it's saturated. I think it's a great combination for high power vapor/flavor winds. May not be the answer for power cloud comp but it sure is a great vape.

Good luck rom.

:)

p.s. What was your wind Ø on your above build btw?
 

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Got bored and wanted to experiment with twisted 30ga quad coils on my orchid. Let's see how this tastes


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Nice build stefan. I love parallel myself. Most of what I do for my own enjoyment is multi-wire. And for the most part hold up better in the wicking. Maybe it's more careful attention to the wind symmetry. I do as you do and detail to constrain the turns. Some nice oxidation there. Curious, is it the camera angle or is there considerably more bias off the perpendicular in that wind? If so, any reason? Here's some uniform oxidation on this 26 AWG tension wrap for my Helios/ZNA…


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I love it when it's tight.

Good luck.

:)
Yes I have also noticed the in balanced uniformnes in oxidation but at that point it was where I was still carefully not to ruin it. I had about 5 other builds that did not turn out like I wanted with spaces in the coils. I still have to make more practise. And will do that on another day to get more practise done.

But yes you are correct that 1 portion in the wick is uneven and I am sure that is the limited amount of knowledge and practise with rayon.

I do also for my personal taste make the coils under tension wrapping it makes the coils more even (when I made this coil it was heating from the middle right from the start without tweezing it.) If I see any gaps of in eveness I unwind till there and rewind it because even tho you dryburn it the coils will never get as close as you do it right from the start.
 

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