When I moved into the apartments I'm living now . ..which I've been at for over 4 years Everyone knew I vaped not a word was said. Now we have a new manager that for some reason likes to pick on the single gals that live here..blabla..anyway she just informed me that vaping was not aloud that I had to go out to the field with the cig smokers..It doesn't say anything on the lease about..ecigs . .vaping ect.I just renewed my lease 3 weeks ago not a word was mentioned..What are the laws...Can anyone help
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You need to find out your State, and Township laws on vaping first, and how they read.
The manager has a boss.
If it or they have an internet presence, you might find reports of previous cases and their stance on vaping.
Barring that... call and ask them.
(gotta love tin-pot dictator managers
)Thanks..And hello...I'm hotter then a the coils I keep frying..I did Google it and to no avail..Am I smoking? Is vaping considered smoking? I'll keep digging..Thanks if anyone has had the same problem..I'd like to hear about itThe manager has a boss.
If it or they have an internet presence, you might find reports of previous cases and their stance on vaping.
Barring that... call and ask them.
(gotta love tin-pot dictator managers
Called main office they were not sure..this is a Obama funded Apt.complex..kinda like the Obama phone..not real sure what government entity I'm linked to but the name of the corporation is called Black Water. They will be breaking down the door any minute!!! Anyway I need this forum for other things to like ohms..will never get that one figured out.
Great solution..I'll do that.What burns my hide is the guy that lives next door to me smokes..but I ain't a rat..maybe they are thinking it's me making the smoke smell? really she will have to be looking in my window to see me vaping..that's another We'll see type deal.scent pot it is...Thanks
vaping does not ever make a "smoke smell" since nothing is burning. Even tobacco flavors don't smell or taste like cigarette smoke. (something you will notice if you get within 20 feet of a smoker)
You didn't sign the lease with the manager, you signed it with the person or company that owns the property, so sort it out with them.
Public housing now prohibits smoking inside but not vaping yet.
http://ejuiceologist.com/us-governm...evelopments-except-for-electronic-cigarettes/
http://ejuiceologist.com/us-governm...evelopments-except-for-electronic-cigarettes/
its a very grey area to compare vaping and smoking. the main concern with property managers is the smell and stain of ceilings and walls. however vaping does neither. and unless you chain vape and blow a cloud right before they come in the door their is no real way for them to even detect your were vaping. i do it in the car all the time, which is the #1 area effected by smoking. and you wopuld never know i ever vaped in there after 5 minutes with the window down.
So would that mean one could not run something like a Vicks vaporizer or room humidifier?
How about a asthma inhaler?
How about a asthma inhaler?
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OMG.. LMAO.. reminded me of my brother.. he said I could vape in his truck. I use an RDA.. I said...if i vaped in your truck, you couldn't see the steering wheel, nevermind the road.
Oh yeah... When drippers and mechs started getting big... Geez forget about seeing the road lol. Windows open or a crash would be almost grunters
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Like I said, contact the rentalsman, ombudsman, or whoever handles tennant/landlord disputes in your country. The landlord would have to prove your vaping was affecting the other renters use of their units (such as loud music would) or causing damage to your unit. Once the rentalsman contacts the property owner, if they ignore his ruling, that unleashes a whole S...T storm that the property owners do NOT want to fight out with a gov't agency. The arguement of "the smell" is easily countered by.. It is the same smell from cooking. Since it is food flavoring being used and PG/VG/and nicotine have no odor. Like I said, vaping is not smoking, since there is no smoke. By and large, the rentalsman will side with the tenant, unless there is a proven problem such as damage or situation that affects the other tenants use of their apartments.
Check your data.
Smoking but not vaping.
Yet anyway.
http://ejuiceologist.com/us-governm...evelopments-except-for-electronic-cigarettes/
They would likely classify it as a tobacco product. In the FDA's eyes they are the same thing
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Nope the new public housing regs say lit. you do not light an ecig.
Read the link I posted it is not the FDA it is HUD.
Here is another link.
https://www.bedfordslims.com/blogs/news/smoking-ban-for-public-housing-allows-vaping
https://www.bedfordslims.com/blogs/news/smoking-ban-for-public-housing-allows-vaping
Tell that to 10 million voters... it is not uncommon for local gov and federal gov to overrule the FDA, such as with "right to try" items. Once that federal ruling is in place, that is the law, FDA be damned.
Again it is not the FDA it IS HUD doing this...
Yup you know things are gonna be way more sane when Trump takes over
As a Property Owner, "landlord" (mainly past, as we allowed my little sister to move into my Boston Condo while she's getting her Graduate Degree) and fellow vaper, I can, assure you that that last post is 100% SPOT ON! So, get your candle, just in case (they warm up any room, regardless)... And vape on!
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Sorry, see "gbalkam" posts. You're fine. Keep a low profile with all of it. The least "hub hub" you make, the better. Keep a low profile with the whole thing. You are NOT smoking!!! Vent here, I suggest you don't make a huge deal OUT THERE. You'll be FINE!
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I'm a property manager myself, so I might be able to help, but I've never heard of Obama funded housing - could you expand on that? Are you in public housing that's existed for decades, or did Obama create new housing I'm unaware of?
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You've never heard of public housing, low rent housing, or subsidized rent housing? If I read correctly, it is a new mandate to include public housing with the notion that non-smokers would be getting 2nd hand smoke from the apartments and children living in those building would be affected as well.
As well, smoking causes damage to the properties. Rather than just washing down the walls, smoking units require washing with a special cleaner (we used T.S.P), then sealant, primer, 2 coats of paint to cover tobacco smoke stains. Now aside from all the other hype pro vs con on vaping, everything in vape juice is water soluble, so from a property owners point of view, would just require a quick wipe with warm soapy water.
I suspect the latter has more to do with no smoking in apartments than the 2nd hand smoke. Money talks. The no smoking rule would save tax payers a lot of money, since public housing units usually get repainted every 3 to 5 years, and soap and 1 coat of paint is far cheaper than repairing smoke damage.
I would cook the smelliest raunchy thing you can think of every day and make sure it burns and smokes the whole place up lol. Maybe after a few weeks of that they'll take vaping as an alternative !
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First, a bit of on-topic discussion for the OP: I'd examine your lease to say what it says about tobacco and vapor products - I'm pretty sure there's nothing about vapor, even in a "house rules" addendum that may or may not be part of your standard lease. Could you fight it? Sure - but your landlord could probably argue that since vapor products are considered "tobacco products" under federal law (thanks, FDA!) the same rules apply.
If you win, maybe you get to vape until your lease renews again, at which point your landlord will update the house rules to specifically address vaping, raise your rent to the point you'll be forced to move, or just flat-out kick you out if your locality doesn't have a "just cause" clause for terminating tenancy.
Me? I'd just close the blinds, keep a fan going to circulate air, and not hotbox my apartment with vapor - who's going to know? Make sure you're using glass cleaner on your windows regularly and cleaning your walls every 6 months or so if you're not doing that already - despite what's been said here PG and VG are NOT water, and there is a (much milder than smoke) residue that will affect the interior of your property if you make no attempt whatsoever to clean.
I use TSP on every wall I'm going to paint, whether or not a unit had indoor smokers (for several years now, none of mine have). I paint every unit where a tenant has been for more than two years, or if I've turned it over twice in two years.
Still, I'm pretty sure Obama didn't invent public housing, low rent housing, or subsidized rent housing. As a matter of fact, my family was renting to Section 8 tenants before he was even elected, so I'm thoroughly convinced this scourge of providing housing to people with low income isn't solely his administration's responsibility.
If you win, maybe you get to vape until your lease renews again, at which point your landlord will update the house rules to specifically address vaping, raise your rent to the point you'll be forced to move, or just flat-out kick you out if your locality doesn't have a "just cause" clause for terminating tenancy.
Me? I'd just close the blinds, keep a fan going to circulate air, and not hotbox my apartment with vapor - who's going to know? Make sure you're using glass cleaner on your windows regularly and cleaning your walls every 6 months or so if you're not doing that already - despite what's been said here PG and VG are NOT water, and there is a (much milder than smoke) residue that will affect the interior of your property if you make no attempt whatsoever to clean.
I've heard of public housing, though we don't have it here in San Diego. I do operate several properties under Section 8, which is subsidized rent. While I don't have any properties in the handful of local cities with specific smoking laws, I specify no smoking indoors and have no problem with vaping, though none of my Section 8 tenants are vapers.
I use TSP on every wall I'm going to paint, whether or not a unit had indoor smokers (for several years now, none of mine have). I paint every unit where a tenant has been for more than two years, or if I've turned it over twice in two years.
Still, I'm pretty sure Obama didn't invent public housing, low rent housing, or subsidized rent housing. As a matter of fact, my family was renting to Section 8 tenants before he was even elected, so I'm thoroughly convinced this scourge of providing housing to people with low income isn't solely his administration's responsibility.
Yeah, HUD has been around since 1965, it turns out.
Do you have an active lease, or are you on a month to month? Is there anything in writing, whether in your lease, or in a addendum they would have mailed you, that states you cannot smoke in your apartment? If it's not in writing it doesn't exist.
As stated above, most states regulate where you can vape in the same manner they permit where you can smoke tobacco.
From what I've read, it seems the HUD Smoke-Free rule is a hit or miss. Some places enforce it, some don't seem to have gotten around to it.
As stated above, most states regulate where you can vape in the same manner they permit where you can smoke tobacco.
From what I've read, it seems the HUD Smoke-Free rule is a hit or miss. Some places enforce it, some don't seem to have gotten around to it.