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pulsevape

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Nope, never missed that and it just solidifies my opinion that there is no fundamental difference between the two parties. The're all about Big Government control to rule our lives.

Reagan is turning over in his grave at the perversion that has become the RNC, Daddy Bush started dismantling Reagan's policies as soon as he got in. There is nothing Conservative about the RNC, them and the DNC are two sides of the same fucking coin. All they do is stir up shit so the Plebs are fighting each other rather than uniting to flush the toilet.
well daddy bush was head of the CIA when kennedy got wacked....makes you wonder.
 

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And who's father in law was a registered Communist ;)
So,..Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis...and it didn't seem to bother anybody .....hell it didn't even get mentioned in the papers. Shit Angela Merkel was a member of the fucking Stasi and she is the world leader Hilary admired most.
 
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So,..Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis...and it didn't seem to bother anybody .....hell it didn't even get mentioned in the papers.
That was in reply to the conversation about Jane Fonda being the wife of Ted Turner.

Context, it's all about context ;)
 

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well daddy bush was head of the CIA when kennedy got wacked....makes you wonder.
Yep, the Bush family is evil.

The family fortune was built on Nazi money, Prescott Bush's bank was a money laundry for the Nazi party and continued the business through out WWII. Prescott Bush was actually brought up on charges for trading with the enemy. He snaked out of it, money and influence has a tendency to have you snake out of things.
 

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Are you saying its really the Rothchilds dude or wait maybe it is Devo? :)

I'm saying it goes way deeper than the rabbit hole you're still lost in, Dude.
The gosh darned Rothschilds are only players and as likely to become extraneous as anybody else.
I'm not laying the responsibility on Devo the group, though I am hinting at how they got their name.

Stupidity is epidemic as if a virus or something is causing devolution.
Rather than climbing the evolutionary ladder mankind as a whole seems to
be rapidly sliding down it's banister
 

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Yep, the Bush family is evil.

The family fortune was built on Nazi money, Prescott Bush's bank was a money laundry for the Nazi party and continued the business through out WWII. Prescott Bush was actually brought up on charges for trading with the enemy. He snaked out of it, money and influence has a tendency to have you snake out of things.
Kinda the same thing Joe Kennedy did.
 

HazyShades

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And Trump married an illegal immigrant. So?

We have no real news any more it is most all just commentary.
That is truly an ignorant comment/question.
Melania Trump may have overstayed a work visa at some point
but has no record of political hell raising other than campaigning along her husband.
Jane Fonda, AKA Hanoi Jane does have a well documented history of radical activism.
Therefore my comment, in context to the discussion, is relevant and valid whereas
your comment/question is a poor attempt at trolling.
 

HazyShades

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Being a bootlegger compared to being a clearing house for Nazi money before and during WWII is a huge difference ;)
Being a clearing house for Nazi money didn't necessarily break any rules, especially considering that the US came
very close to being on the Nazi's side. Joe Kennedy was involved in bootlegging and smuggling.
 

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Being a clearing house for Nazi money didn't necessarily break any rules, especially considering that the US came
very close to being on the Nazi's side. Joe Kennedy was involved in bootlegging and smuggling.
During the time when you'e at war with them sure does, that's why Prescott Bush was brought up on charges for trading with the enemy.
 

r055co

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That is truly an ignorant comment/question.
Melania Trump may have overstayed a work visa at some point
but has no record of political hell raising other than campaigning along her husband.
Jane Fonda, AKA Hanoi Jane does have a well documented history of radical activism.
Therefore my comment, in context to the discussion, is relevant and valid whereas
your comment/question is a poor attempt at trolling.
Well his Father in Law was a member of the Communist Party when the country only had roughly 5% as members.

Same shit as Turner being married to that slut Hanoi Jane.
 

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During the time when you'e at war with them sure does, that's why Prescott Bush was brought up on charges for trading with the enemy.
Yea but he was doing that before the US decided the nazi were bad fellows.
He just kept doing it..I don't think that's as bad as smuggling (GASP)
 

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Well his Father in Law was a member of the Communist Party when the country only had roughly 5% as members.

Same shit as Turner being married to that slut Hanoi Jane.
Not the same thing at all. Jane was a traitor who urged armed rebellion (in the name of peace..LOL)
Communists were our enemy but it was legal to be a commie.
Besides, the fact Ted married her should mean they have similar ideologies.
 

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I'm saying it goes way deeper than the rabbit hole you're still lost in, Dude.
The gosh darned Rothschilds are only players and as likely to become extraneous as anybody else.
I'm not laying the responsibility on Devo the group, though I am hinting at how they got their name.

Stupidity is epidemic as if a virus or something is causing devolution.
Rather than climbing the evolutionary ladder mankind as a whole seems to
be rapidly sliding down it's banister
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and in cahoots with LBJ
Kennedy had to be whacked he called out the secret societies
 

r055co

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Yea but he was doing that before the US decided the nazi were bad fellows.
He just kept doing it..I don't think that's as bad as smuggling (GASP)
Aaah people are hanged for trading with the enemy in the time of war, it's called treason.

That is unless you're a Senator and own a bank ;)
 

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Yea but he was doing that before the US decided the nazi were bad fellows.
He just kept doing it..I don't think that's as bad as smuggling (GASP)

Moreover, Prescott was a director and shareholder of companies that profited
from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. It isn't like he was a goose stepping SS man,
he did business with a regime which was not the enemy.
His crime was to continue to do business with the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.
There is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade.
Hitler declared war on US in 1941, Thyssen's American assets were seized in October 1942, the United States seized the UBC bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II, and charged Prescott Bush who
pleaded nolo contendere .
It was a bullshit charge. While the Thyssen family may have helped le Bosch's war machine and profited from slave labor
Bush was just a banker who had been doing business with a company long before
the Germans became our enemy. It was Hitler who declared war on US
and Thyssen had a falling out with Hitler.

Along this line of thought perhaps Volkswagen should pay us all restitution.
 

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Aaah people are hanged for trading with the enemy in the time of war, it's called treason.

That is unless you're a Senator and own a bank ;)
Yea but read above. The charge was a matter of convenience because the gub'min froze the bank's and Thyssen;s assets, but only AFTER Hitler declared war. Nobody cared for years then suddenly the guy was "trading with the enemy.
 

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Moreover, Prescott was a director and shareholder of companies that profited
from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. It isn't like he was a goose stepping SS man,
he did business with a regime which was not the enemy.
His crime was to continue to do business with the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.
There is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade.
Hitler declared war on US in 1941, Thyssen's American assets were seized in October 1942, the United States seized the UBC bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II, and charged Prescott Bush who
pleaded nolo contendere .
It was a bullshit charge. While the Thyssen family may have helped le Bosch's war machine and profited from slave labor
Bush was just a banker who had been doing business with a company long before
the Germans became our enemy. It was Hitler who declared war on US
and Thyssen had a falling out with Hitler.

Along this line of thought perhaps Volkswagen should pay us all restitution.
Man, never took you to be an apologist for the Bush's, o'well :rolleyes:

Spin it how you will but the facts are the facts. He supported the Nazi's, before, during and even after WWII. It's in the National Library of Congress ;)
 

HazyShades

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Man, never took you to be an apologist for the Bush's, o'well :rolleyes:

Spin it how you will but the facts are the facts. He supported the Nazi's, before, during and even after WWII. It's in the National Library of Congress ;)
No man, not an apologist for anybody, rather a student of propaganda and journalism and
how often history is rewritten by the victor or facts spinned and twisted out of proportion to fit a narrative.
I often have arguments wit revisionist anti zionist zealots..

I've read the files to which you refer and they prove he did business with a company which supported the nazi
NOT that he personally supported Hitler or his agenda. He wouldn't have continued in gub'min had that been the case.

I've often read alleged proof that Dubya is related to Hitler too.
But the plain unvarnished truth is that Prescott Bush managed funds for a client who was a nazi.
Said client helped the nazi because Thyssen was a member of the party. But
the statement "he financed the nazi" makes it seem as if he supported them when all it means is that
he handled a nazi client's finances.
No apologies, only unbiased facts.
 

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No man, not an apologist for anybody, rather a student of propaganda and journalism and
how often history is rewritten by the victor or facts spinned and twisted out of proportion to fit a narrative.
I often have arguments wit revisionist anti zionist zealots..

I've read the files to which you refer and they prove he did business with a company which supported the nazi
NOT that he personally supported Hitler or his agenda. He wouldn't have continued in gub'min had that been the case.

I've often read alleged proof that Dubya is related to Hitler too.
But the plain unvarnished truth is that Prescott Bush managed funds for a client who was a nazi.
Said client helped the nazi because Thyssen was a member of the party. But
the statement "he financed the nazi" makes it seem as if he supported them when all it means is that
he handled a nazi client's finances.
No apologies, only unbiased facts.
perhaps a more accurte assessmnet is that Bush just supported war in general, as it was a money maker......
 

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perhaps a more accurte assessmnet is that Bush just supported war in general, as it was a money maker......
Not necessarily that he supported war, though that is generally true of the banks.
Both Prescott and Walker were in the money handling business and they'd been handling
Thyssen money for years before Hitler started rattling his sabre. But that bankers and industrialists
like fascism. Germany had become much like US has become, high levels of degeneracy and poverty.
Hitler's nationalist socialism came along and suddenly Germany had a booming industry = money.
 

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A number of prominent and wealthy American businessmen helped to support fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920s through the 1940s. These people helped to support Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War of 1936, as well as Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler.

Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Henry Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric.

It should be noted that businessmen from many countries, including England and Australia, also worked with the fascist regimes of Europe prior to WWII. The fascist governments were involved in a high level of construction, production, and international business.
 

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Not necessarily that he supported war, though that is generally true of the banks.
Both Prescott and Walker were in the money handling business and they'd been handling
Thyssen money for years before Hitler started rattling his sabre. But that bankers and industrialists
like fascism. Germany had become much like US has become, high levels of degeneracy and poverty.
Hitler's nationalist socialism came along and suddenly Germany had a booming industry = money.
shit man half of europe thought Hitler was on the right track the Italians the spainish even Britian had a fascist party...
 

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My first car was a VW Bug...but I am not nor have I ever been a nazi sympathizer
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/volkswagen-is-founded

in 1937, the government of Germany–then under the control of Adolf Hitler of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party–forms a new state-owned automobile company, then known as Gesellschaft zur Vorbereitung des Deutschen Volkswagens mbH. Later that year, it was renamed simply Volkswagenwerk, or “The People’s Car Company.” Originally operated by the German Labor Front, a Nazi organization, Volkswagen was headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany. In addition to his ambitious campaign to build a network of autobahns and limited access highways across Germany, Hitler’s pet project was the development and mass production of an affordable yet still speedy vehicle that could sell for less than 1,000 Reich marks (about $140 at the time).
 

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shit man half of europe thought Hitler was on the right track the Italians the spainish even Britian had a fascist party...
See above, so did many American industrialists..and if recent events are any indication
so DO many American banks and industrialists STILL.
 

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My first car was a VW Bug...but I am not nor have I ever been a nazi sympathizer
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/volkswagen-is-founded

in 1937, the government of Germany–then under the control of Adolf Hitler of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party–forms a new state-owned automobile company, then known as Gesellschaft zur Vorbereitung des Deutschen Volkswagens mbH. Later that year, it was renamed simply Volkswagenwerk, or “The People’s Car Company.” Originally operated by the German Labor Front, a Nazi organization, Volkswagen was headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany. In addition to his ambitious campaign to build a network of autobahns and limited access highways across Germany, Hitler’s pet project was the development and mass production of an affordable yet still speedy vehicle that could sell for less than 1,000 Reich marks (about $140 at the time).
You are prompting me to get started on IBM on their war dealings with the Natzi's
 

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See above, so did many American industrialists..and if recent events are any indication
so DO many American banks and industrialists STILL.
The victor writes the history books....I think it may take another hundred years before WWII is looked at objectively
 

HazyShades

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Before the Nazi and WWII reality was a predictable constant.
After Bikini Atoll, Hiroshima, Nagasaki we got Philadelphia Experiment, UFO's and now CERN
and Large Hadron Colliders.
it all started with IBM.
 

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It's the DNC's fault they lost. If they hadn't stolen the candidacy from Bernie they might have won the election.. I know several and have heard of hundreds of people who would have voted for Bernie but instead voted for Trump.
This flies in the face of the facts. Trump won because he peeled the necessary amount of blue collar workers in WI, PA, and MI from the DNC. These folks were never going to vote for Bernie. He had zero chance with them.

Bernie may have gotten a larger popular vote margin because he would have performed better with the folks that you mentioned, But... All of the gains would have come from the same areas that Hiliary already won, CA, MD, MA, IL and NY. Trump would have gotten more of the blue collar labor vote in the other states. The blue collar workers in the rust belt states certainly wouldn't have turned to communism / socialism as the answer to their problems. These people want to put food on their families' tables, not have someone else put food on their families' tables. Trump would have won by a bigger margin in the electoral college.

If you saw this morning, Trump had all a meeting with the heads of the major unions, and a couple smaller unions. More than one said good things about Trump. If he does what he said he was going to do when he ran, these folks are going to be very happy with him. It might put 2020 out of reach for for the DNC if their positions movevery far to the left of close center left...
 
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The victor writes history....I think it may take another hundred years before WWII is looked at objectively

And whiny pricks bitch about losing...
Welcome to 2017 where the biggest threat to the human race is entitled millennials with internet access and too much time.
Cheers @pulsevape , Just thought i'd throw you some fodder for old times sake and maybe give you something else to piss and moan about for a bit.
please tell me about my mcnugget tanks or whatever tired shit you've come up with since my last visit.
 

HazyShades

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This flies in the face of the facts. Trump won because he peeled the necessary amount of blue collar workers in WI, PA, and MI from the DNC. These folks were never going to vote for Bernie. He had zero chance with them.

Bernie may have gotten a larger popular vote margin because he would have performed better with the folks that you mentioned, But... All of the gains would have come from the same areas that Hiliary already won, CA, MD, MA, IL and NY. Trump would have gotten more of the blue collar labor vote in the other states. The blue collar workers in the rust belt states certainly wouldn't have turned to communism / socialism as the answer to their problems. These people want to put food on their families' tables, not have someone else put food on their families' tables. Trump would have won by a bigger margin in the electoral college.

Granted but he would have done better than Hillary did because he would have had the disenfranchised Bernie voters who did not vote for Hillary as well as those who did. He would have also had the Democratic never Clinton voters who either voted for Trump or threw away their vote. If Garry Johnson hadn't stolen so many never Trumpers' votes Trump might have won the popular vote
 
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It gets very demographic and ethnic. In my location we look blue
but it's very divided. The south and southwest part of the county voted Trump
the north and northwest voted Hillary. Since the north and northwest have many apartment dwellers
the people are concentrated blue. The south and southwest is mostly residential single family and is
red but not as intense as the blue
 

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It gets very demographic and ethnic. In my location we look blue
but it's very divided. The south and southwest part of the county voted Trump
the north and northwest voted Hillary. Since the north and northwest have many apartment dwellers
the people are concentrated blue. The south and southwest is mostly residential single family and is
red but not as intense as the blue
LOL.
When @MrScaryZ reads the above he'll lose his connection to this space/time continuum
 

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they are like a disease IBM working for them is like "counting gold Teeth' OHH thats right they did that after the chambers

That takes the self discipline that Germans used to be famous for.
Counting gold fillings and teeth was a statistical exercise to see whether harvesting them was worthwhile.
 

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Ha! From wikipedia
In 1937, IBM's tabulating equipment enabled organizations to process unprecedented amounts of data, its clients including the U.S. Government, during its first effort to maintain the employment records for 26 million people pursuant to the Social Security Act,[17] and Hitler's Third Reich,[18][19] largely through the German subsidiary Dehomag. During the Second World War the company produced small arms for the American war effort (M1 Carbine, and Browning Automatic Rifle).
 

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Ha! From wikipedia
In 1937, IBM's tabulating equipment enabled organizations to process unprecedented amounts of data, its clients including the U.S. Government, during its first effort to maintain the employment records for 26 million people pursuant to the Social Security Act,[17] and Hitler's Third Reich,[18][19] largely through the German subsidiary Dehomag. During the Second World War the company produced small arms for the American war effort (M1 Carbine, and Browning Automatic Rifle).
I had a manager that had been their 40 years every time we had a big meeting he would say odd shit like.. Dealing this this Gov office is like when we counted gold teeth.. one day I looked it up I almost lost my mind. I asked him about it he sent me a inside link at IBM I then got sick.
 

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So,..Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis...and it didn't seem to bother anybody .....hell it didn't even get mentioned in the papers. Shit Angela Merkel was a member of the fucking Stasi and she is the world leader Hilary admired most.
Heck GWB even gave her a shoulder rub ;)
 

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