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BigNasty

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Just walking up and pulling his weapon is not cool.. and a complaint can be filed.. Whether anything else will happen is another thing.

I would at least call the Media and report it.
Sorry dude I am going to have to side on the high strung popos side....
Hoodie check.
Unknown to popo item sticking out of the hoodie that looks like a zip gun or possible explosive device check.
I suggest going on a ride along or two and see the shitty scuzzy underbelly humanity has to offer before filing a complaint on a cop doing his job.

If none of the things iv'e wrote even crossed your mind then there is something wrong with you.

And btw i was in the army and carried an assault rifle for years so my fear is not from handling a gun, but the things i wrote would worry me if i were a civilian carrying a hand gun.
It is your projection of fear of armed civilians having a fire arm you are projecting.

I carry concealed you would never know it unless I told you, if you found out then it would be because you are witness to me drawing it to save a life or defend myself from a scumbag intent on ending life.
The mall shooting that happened in Oregon a while back, someone concealed with a military background drew down on the asshole who was using a stolen rifle... he did not shoot due to line of fire issues but the shooter ran off and offed himself. score one for civilian ownership and concealed carry.

I hold no illusions, there are broken people out there that do not CARE... they are intent on destroying life and cannot be fixed. So it comes down to being a victim walking around in prey mode or defending yourself.
I do not delude myself when I am carrying it is not to hunt for bad guys or cause mayhem but to prevent my or someone I love life from being ended in a violent fashion. If I am pulling said concealed weapon it is not to brandish it, it means shit has hit the fan so fucking hard I have no other choice but to use it to end a direct and present threat against myself or another.
 
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Sorry dude I am going to have to side on the high strung popos side....
Hoodie check.
Unknown to popo item sticking out of the hoodie that looks like a zip gun or possible explosive device check.
I suggest going on a ride along or two and see the shitty scuzzy underbelly humanity has to offer before filing a complaint on a cop doing his job.
Theres 'doing his job' and then theres over reaction.. Yes, I have cop friends and everything. This was, if as described, over reaction.
 

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Any situation where a person's life may be in jeopardy is cause for a law enforcement officer to unholster his or her weapon, until such time that the threat has been neutralized or proven to be unfounded


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Those that truly know us, know that feel we are everything BUT high and mighty. We are actually quite self-deprecating. I am not anti-gun. But as long as people own handguns and advertise the fact, motivated crims will get them. Most guns used in crimes were stolen from the same people that proclaim their right to possess one themselves. Again, this echoes the fact that whilst Americans have rights, many fail to equate rights with responsibilities in regards to justice. I have found that most gun bunnies have never had the trauma of taking a life....and I truly hope they never will.


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Ah.. Yes I have... And many I know. It only brings the point, to us, closer..
 

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Not if I had my gun ;)
It is one thing to own and be trained in the operation of a gun. Another thing to have the grapes to take a life without hesitation. In the split second that you spend having your moral dilemma, a seasoned crim with no respect for life, has already ended you. I know this flies in the face of fashionable male hubris, but the fact remains.


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Theres 'doing his job' and then theres over reaction.. Yes, I have cop friends and everything. This was, if as described, over reaction.
Not at all an over reaction, not at all.
The serve and protect is still there but with the increased direct and credible threats against law enforcement it is 100% understandable.
 

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Not at all an over reaction, not at all.
The serve and protect is still there but with the increased direct and credible threats against law enforcement it is 100% understandable.
I'm willing to bet if it had been you mother who filed the complaint, it would not have been over reaction. It's so easy to judge when we do not have a dog in the fight


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I'm willing to bet if it had been you mother who filed the complaint, it would not have been over reaction. It's so easy to judge when we do not have a dog in the fight


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I have been on the receiving end of drawn low ready police interactions.. I have no issue what the fuck so ever of them being smart about their safety. Considering I am larger than average and not all that friendly looking I do not fault the smart cop.
Aimed and finger on the trigger guard it gets a bit tense and I am not making ANY twitchy movements and most likely going to get really respectful real fucking fast with a lot of yes sirs and no sirs until he feels safe.
Aimed and booger hook on the bang switch... I am either fucking up so badly I warrant getting some leaky holes in my ass or it is getting saved and not actually aimed in my direction.

But the real ire needs to be directed at the chief and their stance and policy of how they respond to complaints of irrational libs seeing guns where are none. But I can still not fault the cops for drawing and having at a low ready interacting with an unknown person with an unknown device that looks like a barrel sticking out of their pocket.

Do not bring the mother into it.. she can handle her own, Trust me the cops have more to worry about where she works and vapes outside than a older lady enjoying her PV.
 

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BigNasty has a good point..
Go on a ride along if it is permissible with your local agency... you'd be amazed on how much violence is perpetrated against the police on a daily basis..
Are there bad cops, you bet. I've worked with a few of 'em. One of them went to prison for 7 years.
For me, if I get a call of a subject with a gun, yes, I'm going in with my eyes open and on full alert. I want to go home to my family at night. Will I have my weapon out and at the ready when I contact that subject, yes, I will.
This ain't TV folks... this is a nasty violent world & death comes lurking where you least expect it.
I had a 15 year old try to pull a pistol on me a few years back almost got it up to shoot me.. could I have killed him right then and there, yes.
I tackled him and broke his little arm.
I'll shut up now...
 

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I am the police...seriously, I am.
27+ years. Worked Violent Fugitive Apprehension & Gang Unit for years.
( these are really not nice people at all...)
The thing you need to remember is this;
I only read your Miranda rights to you when I'm going to ask you specifics about the crime in which I ( we ) think you have done, that's what is required by law.
Anything you say..anything, I'm going to write down in my report before or after I read those right to you. From the moment I first have contact with you.
My advice is do not say anything. Nothing except what your name & date of birth is. Nothing..nada.


Now, you can all hate me.

I will not even give them my name/dob...if they detain me, they will search me and find my ID...my Advocate also suggested to commit a crime that would place me in a Federal Prison rather a State Prison (I won't commit a crime however)...I have had countless encounters with Peace Officers and majority of the time it's me approaching them to simply have a chat, I however have been a victim of Police Brutality in which I have had firearms pulled on me while I did nothing wrong (literally sitting in a park for 4 hours enjoying life) and I do comply and keep my mouth shut for the fact that Judges will side with the officer vs me cause I am in a Court Room being looked at as a criminal. My advocate educated me at an early age (16 Years Young) and to this day, his teachings have paid off obviously. I only respect Police Officers if they commit to the Oath they took, it's rather easy to figure out/weed out the Oath Breakers aka Corrupted Ones if you're educated.

I have never been arrested and or detain legally nor have I been to a jail/prison, it's staying like this. I don't associate myself with stupid humans who aren't educated on Criminal Justice, some around me say I am overly paranoid, I tell them that I am ever so vigilant of my situational awareness 24/7 365 (even as I sleep). Have I broken laws, statues, and ordinances...of course, everybody breaks at least 3+ a day and they're not even aware of doing so.

Much appreciated for understanding and following your Oath @Rock Hunter
 

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Um, no.

Cops being "under stress", in a "dangerous profession" or "deal with scumbags all day" or any other lame excuse to justify a heavy handed approach to dealing with the public is pure garbage. It does not give a cop justification to treat Plumber Joe like a two bit criminal just because they had to deal with Bogey Man Joe last night.

People hate cops for a reason. Law abiding people. It's not because they heard from the burgler down the street that the cops treated him like shit. It's because of their own interaction with police. Because cops treated them like shit, over reacted, accused, or other wise were pure pieces of shit.

There is absolutely no reason, in the OP's case, that the cop could not have walked up politely, explained the call and report of a gun, and gone from there. Nobody would have died. If he is too scared to do his job in a way that does not threaten another human, the OP who was doing nothing, then he should go work at McDonalds.
 

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BigNasty has a good point..
Go on a ride along if it is permissible with your local agency... you'd be amazed on how much violence is perpetrated against the police on a daily basis..
Are there bad cops, you bet. I've worked with a few of 'em. One of them went to prison for 7 years.
For me, if I get a call of a subject with a gun, yes, I'm going in with my eyes open and on full alert. I want to go home to my family at night. Will I have my weapon out and at the ready when I contact that subject, yes, I will.
This ain't TV folks... this is a nasty violent world & death comes lurking where you least expect it.
I had a 15 year old try to pull a pistol on me a few years back almost got it up to shoot me.. could I have killed him right then and there, yes.
I tackled him and broke his little arm.
I'll shut up now...

That's not an excuse to treat regular folks like terrorist suspects. Just sayin'.
 

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Um, no.

Cops being "under stress", in a "dangerous profession" or "deal with scumbags all day" or any other lame excuse to justify a heavy handed approach to dealing with the public is pure garbage. It does not give a cop justification to treat Plumber Joe like a two bit criminal just because they had to deal with Bogey Man Joe last night.

People hate cops for a reason. Law abiding people. It's not because they heard from the burgler down the street that the cops treated him like shit. It's because of their own interaction with police. Because cops treated them like shit, over reacted, accused, or other wise were pure pieces of shit.

There is absolutely no reason, in the OP's case, that the cop could not have walked up politely, explained the call and report of a gun, and gone from there. Nobody would have died. If he is too scared to do his job in a way that does not threaten another human, the OP who was doing nothing, then he should go work at McDonalds.

The teaching in Criminal Justice/Police Academy state otherwise...

Excessive force/attitude/demeanor is not alright, cops HAVE to approach any call that involves a weapon with extreme caution.

Unpredictability...
 

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BigNasty has a good point..
Go on a ride along if it is permissible with your local agency... you'd be amazed on how much violence is perpetrated against the police on a daily basis..
Are there bad cops, you bet. I've worked with a few of 'em. One of them went to prison for 7 years.
For me, if I get a call of a subject with a gun, yes, I'm going in with my eyes open and on full alert. I want to go home to my family at night. Will I have my weapon out and at the ready when I contact that subject, yes, I will.
This ain't TV folks... this is a nasty violent world & death comes lurking where you least expect it.
I had a 15 year old try to pull a pistol on me a few years back almost got it up to shoot me.. could I have killed him right then and there, yes.
I tackled him and broke his little arm.
I'll shut up now...
I had a 17 year old wannabe gangster pull a jenson 9mm on me or tried to.. got caught up in his hoodie pocket.. It ended badly for him. One in the pipe his booger hook on the bang switch... he damned near Darwined himself. Thank god for shitty handguns with broken gummed up internals.
His mom gave it to him for protection.
 

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The teaching in Criminal Justice/Police Academy state otherwise...

Excessive force/attitude/demeanor is not alright, cops HAVE to approach any call that involves a weapon with extreme caution.

Unpredictability...


It's not a legal argument. It's a moral argument. You can't treat the general public as if they are all threats and potential criminals and still be seen as the good guy. A prick is a prick and being abusive does not have to be illegal to still be abusive. It breeds hate and discontent. When police have lost their credibility, as is happening now, they are viewed as no better than the criminal. I don't care if a person is a stinky ugly biker dude trying to run rough shod over me or a overly groomed and baby faced cop in blue. Disrespect is disrespect and I don't hate one less than the other if they treat me poorly.
 

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A bit of a leap but ok.. I am sure there is a cop in NYC and his family not feeling that sentiment at the moment.

So?

It's Okay to terrorize the innocent public because they are terrorized themselves?
 

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It's not a legal argument. It's a moral argument. You can't treat the general public as if they are all threats and potential criminals and still be seen as the good guy. A prick is a prick and being abusive does not have to be illegal to still be abusive. It breeds hate and discontent. When police have lost their credibility, as is happening now, they are viewed as no better than the criminal. I don't care if a person is a stinky ugly biker dude trying to run rough shod over me or a overly groomed and baby faced cop in blue. Disrespect is disrespect and I don't hate one less than the other if they treat me poorly.

Cops aren't allowed to act casual to a call involving a potential firearm/weapon, that has/can cost a cop his/her life. All calls involving firearms/weapons be it legit or not will be treated with the understanding of unpredictability.
 

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Cops aren't allowed to act casual to a call involving a potential firearm/weapon, that has/can cost a cop his/her life. All calls involving firearms/weapons be it legit or not will be treated with the understanding of unpredictability.

I agree. It's a deep seated training problem.

Still a problem. There is a reason Ferguson is all bent out of shape. It's not because the cops are making lots of friends with their tactics.
 

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I agree. It's a deep seated training problem.

Still a problem. There is a reason Ferguson is all bent out of shape. It's not because the cops are making lots of friends with their tactics.

Cop's are in no way of predicting what will transpire or if the call about the firearm isn't true...they HAVE to be ready for the unpredictability and they WILL not approach with their guard down.
 

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Im just amazed at how many want to carry, but have no problems with a cop pulling his gun at anytime.. Dude, sitting on a bench with 'metal' sticking out of he pocket gets a gun drawn on him? Sorry, but that is not justified.

So, every time you get pulled over, it should be with guns drawn 'cause you might be dangerous.. after all, you at least just broke the law (unlike the OP)...

I dont get some of the ways you guys think.. I really dont.
 

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So?

It's Okay to terrorize the innocent public because they are terrorized themselves?
So?

It's Okay to terrorize the innocent public because they are terrorized themselves?

Honestly I am against getting involved with restraining police officers in general... the bad ones like turds will float the top and be dealt with as the legal system sees fit.

When politics limits officers in how they interact with potential threats you get dead cops and dead by standers.
If they officer involved with OPs interaction was anything less than professional then a complaint needs to be filed.. and no a gun drawn is not unprofessional.
 

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Cop's are in no way of predicting what will transpire or if the call about the firearm isn't true...they HAVE to be ready for the unpredictability and they WILL not approach with their guard down.
Being caution and on guard is a whole lot different than 'weapons drawn'..
 

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Im just amazed at how many want to carry, but have no problems with a cop pulling his gun at anytime.. Dude, sitting on a bench with 'metal' sticking out of he pocket gets a gun drawn on him? Sorry, but that is not justified.

So, every time you get pulled over, it should be with guns drawn 'cause you might be dangerous.. after all, you at least just broke the law (unlike the OP)...

I dont get some of the ways you guys think.. I really dont.

Cop's have been killed cause they took the casual way of approaching an individual based off a call reporting a "possible" firearm.
 

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Cop's have also been assaulted by calls of an individual with a "possible" firearm/weapon and upon arrival, it's a trap call (casual approach can get you killed and or severely injured).
 

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Cop's are in no way of predicting what will transpire or if the call about the firearm isn't true...they HAVE to be ready for the unpredictability and they WILL not approach with their guard down.

Bull. If they are that scared, they should stay home.

There is no excuse to pass their fear onto an innocent person. Like I said, there is a reason distrust of police is on the rise. Polls are very clear on this.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/26/public-trust-police-low-poll-finds/
 

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It is one thing to own and be trained in the operation of a gun. Another thing to have the grapes to take a life without hesitation. In the split second that you spend having your moral dilemma, a seasoned crim with no respect for life, has already ended you. I know this flies in the face of fashionable male hubris, but the fact remains.


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You are correct.. What does that have to do with being able to carry though? Other than I might hesitate?
 

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Cop's have been killed cause they took the casual way of approaching an individual based off a call reporting a "possible" firearm.
And innocents have been killed by cops having their weapons drawn.. Whats your point, Trip?
 

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And innocents have been killed by cops having their weapons drawn.. Whats your point, Trip?

Those Cop's who casually approach were great cops but failed since they entrusted their life believing the individual wasn't a threat.
 

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Cop's have been killed cause they took the casual way of approaching an individual based off a call reporting a "possible" firearm.

So? That does not give them an excuse to terrorize innocent people.

Using your logic, it must be okay for the public to draw down on cops when they see them because police have killed innocent people in the past.
 

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Would you approach a call involving an individual with a "possible" firearm casually?
Please don't divert, a simple Yes or No is all that is needed.

Absolutely. Most people I know are armed. I don't assume they are going to shoot anybody.
 

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I am not defending anyone here, just stating what I know of their protocols...I wouldn't approach an individual with a possible firearm without my firearm unholstered.
 

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Those Cop's who casually approach were great cops but failed since they entrusted their life believing the individual wasn't a threat.
Again.. be on guard. Be cautious. Try and have backup. All agree with this.. But, to walk up, drawn your gun, point, locked and loaded, BEFORE assessing the situation and threat is unprofessional. All that disagree with this are deluding themselves into what is 'right'.
 

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Absolutely. Most people I know are armed. I don't assume they are going to shoot anybody.

Predicting human behavior isn't easy.
 

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Again.. be on guard. Be cautious. Try and have backup. All agree with this.. But, to walk up, drawn your gun, point, locked and loaded, BEFORE assessing the situation and threat is unprofessional. All that disagree with this are deluding themselves into what is 'right'.

Police can't always have backup since there is an unnerving amount of calls every minute.
 

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Predicting human behavior isn't easy.

That's true for a civilian too and not a reason to treat everybody as a threat. You don't advocate everybody draw down on every little thing they have a concern over, do you?
 

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Police can't always have backup since there is an unnerving amount of calls every minute.

I don't always have backup either. I still can't point a gun at every person that looks at me crossways just because I don't know what they are thinking.
 

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I am thinking about taking a concealed carry class this winter.

Just so I have the option available to me on the rare occasions I have to go into an area that is populated by ANTS.
 

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