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Hi friends. Looking for some help and or suggestions. I've been using RTA/ RDTA FOR A little while now using pre made wraps and I'm finding it's consuming too much power to spin but and in affect draining my batteries so I'm going to try getting a coil jig using single wire. Eyeing the coil master v4 jig kit. And I heard you get the best vape around .2 ohm. So questions: the coil master jig v4 good? .2 ohms also desirable? And which gauge kanthanal wire and how many wraps would be ideal running two coils? Please excuse my lack of knowledge I'm just looking for advanced users advice. Using the 213 plus and mainly combo rdta as well as azeroth and sometimes griffin. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!! Also Kanthal or SS favored?
 
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Coil master makes good tool kits.

If it doesn't come with an ohm meter, it's a good idea to get one at the same time.
Consider a small variety of wire at a few different diameters.

As far as .2 ohm being "best", that's truly a matter of opinion .

Just be sure to learn about ohms law and battery safety BEFORE you start building your own coils. A ohm calculator app for your phone is easy to be had, and makes coil building easier.
 

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Coil master makes good tool kits.

If it doesn't come with an ohm meter, it's a good idea to get one at the same time.
Consider a small variety of wire at a few different diameters.

As far as .2 ohm being "best", that's truly a matter of opinion .

Just be sure to learn about ohms law and battery safety BEFORE you start building your own coils. A ohm calculator app for your phone is easy to be had, and makes coil building easier.
Ok. Well might've jumped the gun here but I did get the complete coil master kit off amazon with reader.... kit v3 with the v4jig set and everything else so guess I just have to experiment with wire. Anyone more for SS than k1?
 

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Either type of wire is fine, it's just what you prefer. I use Kanthal mostly. Lots of people use stainless steel or NiChrome too. Kanthal will likely be the least expensive.
 

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Ok. Well might've jumped the gun here but I did get the complete coil master kit off amazon with reader.... kit v3 with the v4jig set and everything else so guess I just have to experiment with wire. Anyone more for as than k1?
You'll love the kit! You'all have everything you need except the wire. Lots of people like ss316L cos you can use in wattage mode & spaced for temp control. Lightningvapes.com, @advancedvapesupply "patriot17" for 17% until Patriots Day or kidneypuncher.com coupon code "easter10off" 10% off, they have good wire.

Pick up some ss316L 28g, 26g, 24g to play with.
 

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The reason it uses up the batteries so fast is because of the low sub-ohm resistance. If you want the batteries to last longer, you need to try to stay at 1 ohm or higher. Building your own coils won't change the physics of electricity.

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The reason it uses up the batteries so fast is because of the low sub-ohm resistance. If you want the batteries to last longer, you need to try to stay at 1 ohm or higher. Building your own coils won't change the physics of electricity.

Andria
The reason it uses up the batteries so fast is because of the low sub-ohm resistance. If you want the batteries to last longer, you need to try to stay at 1 ohm or higher. Building your own coils won't change the physics of electricity.

Andria
I don't disagree with you but I've used smaller aliens compared to the geekvape which are significantly larger and they took longer to heat up at a higher wattage than a smaller alien at less wattage both rated .2 ohm coming in around .16 if I recall been a little while
 

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I do value all of your help and suggestions I just wanted some feed back and I sincerely appreciate everything so far. And thank you heartsdelight for the ss tip
 

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I don't disagree with you but I've used smaller aliens compared to the geekvape which are significantly larger and they took longer to heat up at a higher wattage than a smaller alien at less wattage both rated .2 ohm coming in around .16 if I recall been a little while

Larger coils *will* take longer to heat up, because of the greater mass. None of that has anything to do with the resistance. Use finer wire, to get higher resistance, and it won't take too long to ramp up. The low resistance causes higher amp draw, which drains the batteries faster than lower amp draw.

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That's fine if they MTL like you, but doesn't generally work for lung hitters.

Maybe, but the OP was complaining about the batteries draining too fast, and low resistance is always going to cause that. Plus the fact that batteries with higher CDR are always lower mAh, so they won't last as long anyway. If you use higher resistance, you can use batteries with 20A CDR, some of which are available at 2500 and 3000 mAh.

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Larger coils *will* take longer to heat up, because of the greater mass. None of that has anything to do with the resistance. Use finer wire, to get higher resistance, and it won't take too long to ramp up. The low resistance causes higher amp draw, which drains the batteries faster than lower amp draw.

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Ok that's correct I guess I made myself confusing when I was looking to use single wire instead of larger bulky builds to get the same low ohms but less power and time spent spining up. Thank you
 

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Yes I was looking for thoughts on using less wire for same ohms heating up faster with less.power consumption than a 4 times as thick coil taking longer to heat at same watts. So longer time spent heating up the coil doesn't drain the battery any less than short time on a smaller one wire coil?
 

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Again if I sound not so educated it's true on these issues which is why I once again appreciate your time and effort. I can do more than others but less than many in this arena ☺
 

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Ok that's correct I guess I made myself confusing when I was looking to use single wire instead of larger bulky builds to get the same low ohms but less power and time spent spining up. Thank you

Even if you do prefer direct-lung vaping, you can always try 1 ohm coils, see what you think; you may want higher power for those, which will also drain batteries faster than lower power, but as I mentioned to freemind, if you use higher resistance, you can use 20A batteries that are 2500 or 3000 mAh, instead of the 1500mAh of most of the higher CDR batteries, so that will give you a little more battery life.

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Maybe, but the OP was complaining about the batteries draining too fast, and low resistance is always going to cause that. Plus the fact that batteries with higher CDR are always lower mAh, so they won't last as long anyway. If you use higher resistance, you can use batteries with 20A CDR, some of which are available at 2500 and 3000 mAh.

Andria
The point you are making is moot, if they don't like to vape MTL at high resistance. My wife and I vape at opposite ways of vaping. We could not trade mods and atties and be happy.

So if you want to solve the battery issue and keep vaping the same way, you need to change the mod and batter capacity. For me, that was moving to an IJoy LUX and dual 26650 batteries. Now one set lasts all day, rather than changing batteries 2-3 times a day.
 

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The point you are making is moot, if they don't like to vape MTL at high resistance. My wife and I vape at opposite ways of vaping. We could not trade mods and atties and be happy.

So if you want to solve the battery issue and keep vaping the same way, you need to change the mod and batter capacity. For me, that was moving to an IJoy LUX and dual 26650 batteries. Now one set lasts all day, rather than changing batteries 2-3 times a day.

Just because the resistance is higher, doesn't mean you have to vape it MtL. The MtL or DL is because of airflow, not the resistance. You could vape a 1 ohm coil at high wattage with high airflow just the same as a low ohm coil at a lower wattage, with the same airflow.

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Well maybe I just need to grab another set of Samsung 25rs I had 3 pairs once I do not want to use the third set anymore that had been in my sigelei 150 tc that accidentally fell of my nightstand and even on the ground for a second or less dis lodged slightly and melted the bottom terminal into the body of the mod so not using that set again. Anyone think the Samsung 25rs are not that great? I've loved them
 

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Well maybe I just need to grab another set of Samsung 25rs I had 3 pairs once I do not want to use the third set anymore that had been in my sigelei 150 tc that accidentally fell of my nightstand and even on the ground for a second or less dis lodged slightly and melted the bottom terminal into the body of the mod so not using that set again. Anyone think the Samsung 25rs are not that great? I've loved them

They're 20A batteries. With a .2Ω build, you might be pushing it, if you use wattage higher than maybe 70-75w -- you really should be using 30A batteries with resistance that low, and they're only 1500mAh instead of the 25R's 2500mAh.

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They're 20A batteries. With a .2Ω build, you might be pushing it, if you use wattage higher than maybe 70-75w -- you really should be using 30A batteries with resistance that low, and they're only 1500mAh instead of the 25R's 2500mAh.

Andria
See now your helping me.... so I want higher A and lower mAh then...? Before I was told the 25rs were really good and continuous but instead I should use 30a instead of 25a and 1500 mAh instead of 2500 with higher wattages?
 

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That mod uses two batteries so .2 ohm coil is fine. I've used a .2 ohm coil with one battery before and yes your pushing the battery to it's limit but it should be fine imo

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You can listen to whoever you want. I actually vape sub ohm, and have been vaping for quite some time. I use the type of mods you are asking about. Some of the other advice you are getting, is coming from someone who vapes at 10 watts on single battery devices.

I won't bother offering my advice anymore. And if you try that stunt of vaping 1 ohm on an RDA, RTA, or the like, you'll figure out pretty quick why that advice isn't very valuable. The quality of the vape isn't going to be anything close to what you are doing now. Most likely you will get to know what burnt cotton tastes like.

Good luck.

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Just because the resistance is higher, doesn't mean you have to vape it MtL. The MtL or DL is because of airflow, not the resistance. You could vape a 1 ohm coil at high wattage with high airflow just the same as a low ohm coil at a lower wattage, with the same airflow.

Andria
Yep, crank up the power with a 1 ohm coil makes a damn fine Vape ;)
You can listen to whoever you want. I actually vape sub ohm, and have been vaping for quite some time. I use the type of mods you are asking about. Some of the other advice you are getting, is coming from someone who vapes at 10 watts on single battery devices.

I won't bother offering my advice anymore. And if you try that stunt of vaping 1 ohm on an RDA, RTA, or the like, you'll figure out pretty quick why that advice isn't very valuable. The quality of the vape isn't going to be anything close to what you are doing now. Most likely you will get to know what burnt cotton tastes like.

Good luck.

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Well I run 0.7-1.0 ohm coils on my series mods and they do rather well with DTL. I also have a couple of friends who love my micro fused Claptons (32x2/38) around 1 ohm and they DTL, provides a damn fine cloud chasing DTL Vape with lots of flavor.

Andria is correct, pulls less amps and batteries last longer. :facepalm:

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Yep, crank up the power with a 1 ohm coil makes a damn fine Vape ;)

Well I run 0.7-1.0 ohm coils on my series mods and they do rather well with DTL. I also have a couple of friends who love my micro fused Claptons (32x2/38) around 1 ohm and they DTL, provides a damn fine cloud chasing DTL Vape with lots of flavor.

Andria is correct, pulls less amps and batteries last longer. :facepalm:

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So what tank and mod are we talking so I can relate please ☺
 

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Like an E-go pen or Itaste vv or something? Just need to know where you are coming from
@AndriaD is correct, you don't need low builds to get a good lung hit. Crank up the power and you'll get a warm vape with dense flavorful Vape. I primarily vape Mech's and with my series Mods you build high. A 0.9ohm pair of fused Claptons with 8V gives me over 70 watts and is pulling under 9a. Nice warm, cloudy and dense Vape. Batteries aren't even breaking a sweat.

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Yep, crank up the power with a 1 ohm coil makes a damn fine Vape ;)

Well I run 0.7-1.0 ohm coils on my series mods and they do rather well with DTL. I also have a couple of friends who love my micro fused Claptons (32x2/38) around 1 ohm and they DTL, provides a damn fine cloud chasing DTL Vape with lots of flavor.

Andria is correct, pulls less amps and batteries last longer. :facepalm:

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Your forgetting that your clapton are bigger wire and your draining your batteries quicker because of the mass of the wires. It takes more more power to heat also. It's not a set in stone statement. Your not gonna run 80 watts on 28 gauge wire lol.

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It's kewl friends think I apparently didn't post my op in the right area. If you aren't into rdta's, rta's or rda's maybe this is the wrong area. I run high wattage multi battery mods just had coil / element configuration questions. Thank you so much for the help. Wasn't looking for vv/vw pen help. Thanks again. Cheers!
 

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It's kewl friends think I apparently didn't post my op in the right area. If you aren't into rdta's, rta's or rda's maybe this is the wrong area. I run high wattage multi battery mods just had coil / element configuration questions. Thank you so much for the help. Wasn't looking for vv/vw pen help. Thanks again. Cheers!
Like what was said use higher ohms and you won't drain your battery as much. That's all I use is rebuildables.

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So what tank and mod are we talking so I can relate please

And have you ever used a rdta or rda?

Also are You vaping 18 to 32 nic levels? I'm sure it's a damn fine vape then

Your forgetting that your clapton are bigger wire and your draining your batteries quicker because of the mass of the wires. It takes more more power to heat also. It's not a set in stone statement. Your not gonna run 80 watts on 28 gauge wire lol.

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My micro fused Claptons with 32g core wire is smaller than 28g single wire.

As for what I run them on, here's just a few of my babies. All these have between 0.5-1.0 ohm builds in them and they're certainly NOT Tootie Puffers.

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You can use less wire staggered together with the same resistance using less power to spin up that's all I was asking
If you use less wire the resistance will go up. If your trying to stay at .2 I would use stainless because it has less resistance.

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Your forgetting that your clapton are bigger wire and your draining your batteries quicker because of the mass of the wires. It takes more more power to heat also. It's not a set in stone statement. Your not gonna run 80 watts on 28 gauge wire lol.

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Do it all the time with 30-32g core wire

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My micro fused Claptons with 32g core wire is smaller than 28g single wire.

As for what I run them on, here's just a few of my babies. All these have between 0.5-1.0 ohm builds in them and they're certainly NOT Tootie Puffers.

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I was just talking plain wire. You can definitely heat claptons way higher than single wire.

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