Hey Vanilla,
with the winding rods provided with the Gizmo thing, it seems that you're either winding a nano-coil (1.5mm) or a mini coil (3mm). I kinda like my coils at about 2mm, do they provide 2 mm rods as far as you know?
It's not that hard actually...
What guage is that twisted? looks like 22?
Yeah that was impressive now I have to try and duplciate hahaha ohh dearThe pic I posted of the two parallels was actually 31 AWG on 2.2 mm. A demonstration of something I'd yet not seen…twisted leads to stabilize parallels. If there was a predecessor, I'd appreciate knowing who so I could thank him/her.
Good luck, vape on!
Yeah that was impressive now I have to try and duplciate hahaha ohh dear
Maybe I ain't reading this right. But it was Cisco of Avid vapor who first went with thicker gauge/more wraps and micro coils many years ago with his 510 LR atties, long before the rebuildable craze..Thanks fella's for all the interest and curiosity. And you're right I'm short of time.
Super_X_drifter on ECF last spring conceived of and later coined the term popularly in use all over the internet for the continuously shorting contact coil…or as more commonly known in the vernacular, the microcoil.
Just an FYI for anyone who is reading this thread and wants to try it out but doesn't have a whole spool of wire, I've had decent success doing this with one end of the wire fixed in a desktop vise. I've found that tilting whatever you're winding on down and to the right just enough so that the winding end slides over the already-rolled coils and into place helps keep it tight. Wrapping it off a spool would certainly be superior because there is less room to introduce error by moving your wrapping instrument relative to the fixed end of the wire, but I'm still getting much better results from this than the traditional method that's ubiquitous in video tutorials and reviews.
Now if I could only install them on my Fogger v4.1 without pulling the coils apart when I torque the screws down...
mine separate a little but not by much. I leave the drill bit on when mounting. and after its all mounted, i fire it off (pulsing) and squeeze the remaining bits together. not hard at all.
The coils will spread if their length is less than the distance between posts. Because when you then pull leads into/to the posts, the coils are stretching to reach. If leads exit on the same side of the coil, do this: using needle nose, bend the leads away from the coil (~45 degrees or less) before removing from the mandrel. Now when the leads are pulled into post holes, this bend will cause compression, rather than stretching, of the coil. Here's a crude text art picture: \==/ And as mentioned, keeping the mandrel in the coil during mounting helps prevent deformation -- particularly of end wraps. Cheers
are you torching the coils while squeezing them together before mounting? I don't have any problem with them separating unless it's a small coil like 5 turns and the build deck is big. I haven't mastered the art of bending the coil legs to reach the posts yet. but if it were an 8-10 turn coil, they stay stuck together like a coke can.
I've tried both torching+pinching and not torching but wrapping the coil under tension as MachTechVpr recommends. The second method has worked better for me so far.
The coils will spread if their length is less than the distance between posts. Because when you then pull leads into/to the posts, the coils are stretching to reach. If leads exit on the same side of the coil, do this: using needle nose, bend the leads away from the coil (~45 degrees or less) before removing from the mandrel. Now when the leads are pulled into post holes, this bend will cause compression, rather than stretching, of the coil. Here's a crude text art picture: \==/ And as mentioned, keeping the mandrel in the coil during mounting helps prevent deformation -- particularly of end wraps. Cheers
Mac, any thoughts on center-draw vertical coils i.e. a vertical microcoil with wick around the outside? Tried this thinking that greater surface area via outside wicking and direct airflow through the center might be great. Tried a couple iterations and decided vape through the center (of the coil) was getting too hot. Didn't feel hot, but tasted overheated. Thinking there must be too much heat build up in the center with 8-wrap coil (i.e. so of like an oven versus and a stove-top) so tried using 32g and only 6-wraps -- but same result.
Have you played with an external w/center wicking; especially in verticals? Thinking that maybe a vertical cone build might bypass this issue -- but couldn't get a good tension build in cone configuration. Have you tried or have any insights?
Is there a trick to keep a micro coil from separating when installing? I typically do a 9/10 wrap on 3/32" drill bit and frequently end up with the coil separating when pushing the wire through the posts. I know they need to be placed a bit further away from the post to keep this from happening, but no matter how far away I attempt to install I still end up with the separation too often.
Reminds me of the fine art of coiling springs, manuallyAnyway, thought I'd get back to ya Jeep. Does the above pic I posted look like something created by a poser? Could you do one in 15 seconds that stayed like that (without torching)? Just sayin'. I wasn't cryptic. I described the adaptation of another branch of physics. I can tell you a considerable amount of time and other resources were spent to establish that it worked reliably, predictably and wasn't going to waste your time. The picture does say a lot about what you can expect…if you use a little imagination.
Given the number of these I've created and the probable numbers the thousands that have learned to do this so far suggests it is a very effective art. Methods of applying it, that's a different story. Maybe you'll contribute one. At least that's been my hope and many are using the adaptation to come up with new and varied techniques themselves.
One of the first to apply the adaptation was super_X_drifter on ECF who had the guts to put it all out there and hazard the skepticism. I read his stuff carefully before I quit and joined the forum to perfect the mechanics. Here's his second video. A good effort but it doesn't adequately show how to reach the point of adhesion. He definitely gets there though towards the end…
My primary purpose in doing this was to create the means for newcomers to transition quickly to the vaping lifestyle and bypass the gauntlet of devices and failed solutions many of us go through. Sometimes for years. As a community we have a lot of challenges from our opposition. I am confident this may help improve our chances by improving the numbers.
I hope you'll join me in my efforts popularize this innovation once you see the benefits. A minimum of 20% efficiency advantage translates to a very good vape in and of itself (and rich dense clouds too if that's what you're chasin'). Being able to reproduce it reliably is priceless.
Good luck.
p.s. Thanks super!
Torching before installing helps a ton with keeping the coils form in place.
Very cool! What RTA and mod are you using?Yeah, but 30 seconds gets you a tensioned microcoil that ends up like this…
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And then you get chaining like this on 15 Watts...
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Or, you can keep your torch. Your choice. Wouldn't want to tell ya what to do.
Good luck.
What gauge are you using mac? Tensioned coils are amazing btw. Been doing it for a while now. Couldn't be more pleasedHey smacks, how ya doin'. The vape's off a Kanger Mini RBA accessory. Very easy to build as it traps the wire (no wrapping). So it's very sympathetic to the stiff twisted lead tensioned parallels I build. I love that arrangement as my fav flavor device is the Immortalizer. Got four. The APV's the Smok BT50 and I kinda looked at testing it (I do self-funded product eval) as kind of a gimmick with the Bluetooth thing but it's shown' me some very smooth and consistent power delivery. Anyway, some info here on this wind. On the two threads where I live on ECF. But if you need some help gettin' there gimme a shout.
Good luck.
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What gauge are you using mac? Tensioned coils are amazing btw. Been doing it for a while now. Couldn't be more pleased
No way does that only take you 30 seconds with the twisted ends and all. I think you need a new watch. Video for proof.Yeah, but 30 seconds gets you a tensioned microcoil that ends up like this…
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And then you get chaining like this on 15 Watts...
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Or, you can keep your torch. Your choice. Wouldn't want to tell ya what to do.
Good luck.
No way does that only take you 30 seconds with the twisted ends and all. I think you need a new watch. Video for proof.