Newbie DIY "Juice Artist"

Hey All,

I've loved some of the recipes my brother makes for his dripper but I'm not sure if the same recipes/mixes apply to tanks too?

So I have a couple of questions; if you can help with any - many thanks - but apologies if any of them are dumb. I thought id just come to the experts instead of waste money (slash, try and smoke something toxic!)

Q1: Can you make an eLiquid with just VG and Flavouring? I've been advised that 70ml of VG and 30ml of food flavouring, makes 100ml of ready to go juice. I.e. The PG is in the flavouring already. Is that true? So you don't need to buy any PG? Could this be for drippers only?

Q2: I've already bought my VG and my flavourings to try and make some random things, like mix custard and apple for apple crumble etc. I've not cut any corners and I've tried to do my research in terms of cheap companies to avoid. So I feel I have got some good gear here. But, is there any difference in buying 1000ml of VG for £4 and buying the one with all the labels and claims for £10? I've seen 2.5kg for as cheap as £7... Is there cheap junk out there?

Q3: When mixing flavours. In the above example, would half Apple and half Custard give a custardy apple thing... Or do you have to have flavouring knowledge like the apple is acidic and will overpower custard so make it 70/30 sort of thing?

Q4: I want to keep my creations in a nice glass bottle with a built in pipette. Is there any pros and cons (apart from cost) for glass vs cheap squeezey bottle? I like glass, feels more apothecary like I'm tinkering But any pros and cons between clear, green, blue and amber glass? I know Amber stops UV, but as mine'll be kept in a cupboard and I doubt will be stored for long (as I'll be getting through them) is that a thing?

Q5: I've seen some cheap bottles that come with droppers but the lids are solid plastic in all the images, not the usual squeezey bobble to pick up the liquid. Am I missing something or is this just stock imagery? Can you get bottles that have plastic lids and almost like a loose dropper in it?

Q6: I've only ever smoked 70/30 which seems good for me because I'm flavour orientated and need something smooth on the throat. But is 80/20 just going to be too much VG and therefore not carry lasting flavour? For 70/30, as per Q1 I was first told (from a dripper) 70ml VG and 30ml of the flavour. Done. But another has said for 100ml juice it'll be 52ml VG, 20ml PG and 28ml of my flavouring. That sounds more "scientific" but the other sounds so easy, that if true, means I can make a lot more test batches a lot quicker to find that dream recipe. Some of the flavours I bought require no mixing, as some are things like Apple and Pecan Pie with Maple Syrup sort of thing, so I would just use this flavour alone, no flavour mixing.

Right, so, thank you for your time of reading this. Sorry for so many questions but rather than pester you across the boards, all in one place might keep the answers on track for me Otherwise I'll end up running a bottle plant if I get any more into it

Thanks again guys and gals. Looking forward to hearing from you.

First off, welcome to VU!

I'm not so sure you fully understand the basics of DIY - so I tried to make it simple for you because it can be confusing, that is for sure

Metasyntactic said:

Q1: Can you make an eLiquid with just VG and Flavouring? I've been advised that 70ml of VG and 30ml of food flavouring, makes 100ml of ready to go juice. I.e. The PG is in the flavouring already. Is that true? So you don't need to buy any PG? Could this be for drippers only?

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You can make your juice any ratio of pg/vg you like - I do not know the standards of your country, but most flavorings in the US are pg based. 30% flavoring would be a great deal of flavoring - outside of the norm. I only know a couple of vapers who DIY and use the much flavoring. How much flavoring you use will depend and vary by recipe.

Unless you have one of the newer tanks, drippers generally are more flavorful than tanks, but that is no longer always the case.

Metasyntactic said:

2: I've already bought my VG and my flavourings to try and make some random things, like mix custard and apple for apple crumble etc. I've not cut any corners and I've tried to do my research in terms of cheap companies to avoid. So I feel I have got some good gear here. But, is there any difference in buying 1000ml of VG for £4 and buying the one with all the labels and claims for £10? I've seen 2.5kg for as cheap as £7... Is there cheap junk out there?

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In the US, the majority of DIY vapers I know get the least expensive vg and pg they can lay their hands on, as long as it is food grade, you should be good to go

Some are fussy and pay a lot of organics, palm vg, etc., but most people get the cheapest food grade vg possible

Metasyntactic said:

Q3: When mixing flavours. In the above example, would half Apple and half Custard give a custardy apple thing... Or do you have to have flavouring knowledge like the apple is acidic and will overpower custard so make it 70/30 sort of thing?

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Yes, it matters because of numerous factors that are the chemical make up of various flavorings. It is so precise that when following a recipe, it is very important to use the actual brand name of the flavoring in the recipe.

Without meaning offense, your approach to DIY is a very haphazard way to go about mixing - one brand of apple flavoring does not taste the same as another apple flavoring, The same goes with custard or any other flavor. Not all flavors mix well together either.

It really is best to find one or two tried and true recipes and follow them to a T when you first start. and like stated earlier, 30% flavoring is way too much for the vast majority of vapers.

Some recipes call for as little of 1% or less flavoring.

Metasyntactic said:

Q4: I want to keep my creations in a nice glass bottle with a built in pipette. Is there any pros and cons (apart from cost) for glass vs cheap squeezey bottle? I like glass, feels more apothecary like I'm tinkering But any pros and cons between clear, green, blue and amber glass? I know Amber stops UV, but as mine'll be kept in a cupboard and I doubt will be stored for long (as I'll be getting through them) is that a thing?

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Unless you are concerned about UV, it shouldn't make that much difference. Some folks swear by glass. I like the feel of glass, largely for the same reason you do - it feels more substantial, lol

The truth it, filling tanks is a lot easier with squeezy plastic bottles than using glass and a pipette - at least in my experience

Metasyntactic said:

Q5: I've seen some cheap bottles that come with droppers but the lids are solid plastic in all the images, not the usual squeezey bobble to pick up the liquid. Am I missing something or is this just stock imagery? Can you get bottles that have plastic lids and almost like a loose dropper in it?

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Be careful of ordering online and judging what you are going to get by looking at the photo - like any other online purchase, research the claims that come with the description of the product and look elsewhere online for reviews to make sure you are going to get what you think you will

Metasyntactic said:

Q6: I've only ever smoked 70/30 which seems good for me because I'm flavour orientated and need something smooth on the throat. But is 80/20 just going to be too much VG and therefore not carry lasting flavour? For 70/30, as per Q1 I was first told (from a dripper) 70ml VG and 30ml of the flavour. Done. But another has said for 100ml juice it'll be 52ml VG, 20ml PG and 28ml of my flavouring. That sounds more "scientific" but the other sounds so easy, that if true, means I can make a lot more test batches a lot quicker to find that dream recipe. Some of the flavours I bought require no mixing, as some are things like Apple and Pecan Pie with Maple Syrup sort of thing, so I would just use this flavour alone, no flavour mixing.

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Forget all that: VG is for clouds, and it is on the sweet side. PG carries flavor but has none of its own. That is one reason why most flavorings are put in PG, because it carries flavor so well.

Find yourself some good recipes - the DIY forum here is a wonderful place to start. There are also online sources that will suggest recipes to you using the flavors you already have.

After you have settled on a few recipes, if you know you want to vape 30pg/70vg, use an online calculator to calculate how much flavor, vg, nicotine if you use it, and possibly additional pg without flavor you will need to achieve 30/70

Best of luck!

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to answer each one of my questions - so genuinely helpful.

I did Google the recipe for 100ml mix and was told (via an online calculator thing) that it'll be 52ml VG, 20ml PG and 28ml Flavour. (To make a 70/30).

Ive bought a decent brand of food colouring (I've bought about 20 different 30ml flavours and about 10 in the 100ml bottles). So I'm hoping to dabble. Got some 30ml glass on the way, some 50s and some 100s. So I'm just missing the PG (got the VG) and the understanding.

Ive bought solely through Amazon, so any problems with quality or images not matching, they'll just be freely returned.

I almost don't want to follow other people's recipes (l can totally imagine that each brands flavour is totally different). So I have mine from what appeared to be a very well stocked and robust (UK) seller.

So I'm happy to tinker. What to make my own and be proud

Here's a recipe for custard off the forum:

Vanilla Custard v1 6%
Simply Vanilla 3%
French Vanilla v1 2%
Golden Butter 1%
Sweet Cream 1%
NY Cheesecake 1%
Vienna Cream 0.5%
Vanilla Classic 0.5%

Thats 15% right? So for 100ml and it wants 6% custard, I'd put in 6ml of custard flavouring right? So I'm going to have 15ml flavour leaving 85ml base, and it'll be 70/30 so that's 60ml VG and 25ml PG... Right?

Or I've totally misread every shred of information I've seen so far haha

Start with way smaller batches until you settle on a mixture that you like.
It would be a big waste of money to mix up a 100ml bottle of juice that tastes like shit.

Just because you found a recipe online doesn't mean it will taste good. I have mixed recipes that had many people raving about how great it was and to me it was shit. Thankfully I mix up 10ml to 15ml testers when trying out a new recipe or working on my own. Once I get the mix I like I'll mix up a larger bottle and let it steep for 30 days.

Yeah, I'm told to leave them for at least 2 weeks with a daily "shake" put in there (but keep it sealed).

Would you do that for samples too? Seems steep to wait 2 weeks + 2 weeks for proper sized bottle. I know you could technically blast it as soon as you make it, but I'm hearing the changes, especially sweet/cakey tastes are big when you stick it in a cupboard for a couple of weeks.

It is my understanding that most custard-type recipes are the ones that most need steeping

For custard/dessert mixes, yeah, at least 2 weeks to really know what it will taste like. You can try shake & vape and if it's bad, it will probably stay bad. If it's decent, it may get good with time.
Fruits don't take as long but I don't vape fruits often.

You can certainly tell if you are close to what you are trying to create but mixes will change over time like a ovetly strong lime on the first day in a mellon, berry with a touch of lime mix may calm down on day 7 and be the hint of lime you are shooting for.
Or a strawberry custard on day one may have a floral alcoholy taste without much custard to it. Give it a few weeks and the strawberry has calmed down and is notfloral any more and the custard is starting to come in and add thickness.

Curtard & creams will get much smoother and creamier over time and start to taste like what you were expecting 15 to 30 days after you mix it up.

Creating a great recipe is not done in a day... or even a month. But it is fun and once you get a couple recipies that you like under your belt it starts to save you money... or make money if you are looking to sell juice.

JuicyLucy said:

It is my understanding that most custard-type recipes are the ones that most need steeping

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Would I get anywhere close to the final flavour if I tried it pretty much straight away? Overnight? 24 hours?

Ill probably looking at 20ish'ml batches for test. So if I can get a firm "Yes" on the back of that, then I can whip up 50/100ml and be enjoying that sucker in 2-4 weeks time

fq06 said:

But it is fun and once you get a couple recipies that you like under your belt it starts to save you money... or make money if you are looking to sell juice.

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Thats it. I'm happy to tinker. I actually wouldn't mind vaping some crap because it'll be one of those "Gosh I wish this pulls off... Damn... What was I thinking!". You'll only find out once you've tried.

Ive got a ton of lads on the site that Vape and they mostly Vape Dinner Lady which seems expense at £10-12 per 30ml.

So if I do accidentally strike gold... I'm sure they'll throw some money at me to increase my batch size.

I would make multiple 10ml batches with slightly different percentages of flavorings being very organized with batch numbers and notes to see which batch is closest to what you are looking for and then do it again off that best of recipe with tweeks to it to get to the flavor, sweetness, mouth feel you want.

A 10ml batch will take less time to steep than a 20ml batch. Not by a lot, but a little shorter time. And you are not punishing yourself vaping multiple 20ml bottles of juice that sucks (not to mention the cost).

Also leave room in your batch bottles. Like use a 20ml bottle for a 10ml batch. More room for the juice to agitate when you shake daily.

fq06 said:

Also leave room in your batch bottles. Like use a 20ml bottle for a 10ml batch. More room for the juice to agitate when you shake daily.

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Very good point

Metasyntactic said:

Q1: Can you make an eLiquid with just VG and Flavouring?

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yes...

Metasyntactic said:

Q2: I've already bought my VG and my flavourings to try and make some random things, like mix custard and apple for apple crumble etc. I've not cut any corners and I've tried to do my research in terms of cheap companies to avoid. So I feel I have got some good gear here. But, is there any difference in buying 1000ml of VG for £4 and buying the one with all the labels and claims for £10? I've seen 2.5kg for as cheap as £7... Is there cheap junk out there?

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yes there is a difference in VG. as to what is the best only your tongue can decide. maybe you like the cheap one or the other way around.

Metasyntactic said:

Q3: When mixing flavours. In the above example, would half Apple and half Custard give a custardy apple thing... Or do you have to have flavouring knowledge like the apple is acidic and will overpower custard so make it 70/30 sort of thing?

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thats a good starting point then start adjusting to what you want. more custard or more apple, ... but adding more doesnt always make it better, sometimes cutting one back does the trick rather than adding more of the other

Metasyntactic said:

Q4: I want to keep my creations in a nice glass bottle with a built in pipette. Is there any pros and cons (apart from cost) for glass vs cheap squeezey bottle? I like glass, feels more apothecary like I'm tinkering But any pros and cons between clear, green, blue and amber glass? I know Amber stops UV, but as mine'll be kept in a cupboard and I doubt will be stored for long (as I'll be getting through them) is that a thing?

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glass is easier to clean and sucks to drop. plastic is easier to dispense. thats a preference thing

Metasyntactic said:

Q5: I've seen some cheap bottles that come with droppers but the lids are solid plastic in all the images, not the usual squeezey bobble to pick up the liquid. Am I missing something or is this just stock imagery? Can you get bottles that have plastic lids and almost like a loose dropper in it?

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look around at other packaging website, try to think beyond Ejuice.... soap , shampoo , perfume. you can find all kinds of cool bottles and buy just the glass, or just the dropper etc etc

Metasyntactic said:

Q6: I've only ever smoked 70/30 which seems good for me because I'm flavour orientated and need something smooth on the throat. But is 80/20 just going to be too much VG and therefore not carry lasting flavour? .

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I vape max VG and never account for flavor loss and all seems well. right now Im vaping something just a little over 6% total pg from flavoring. if I were going to make this 70/30 for a friend I would not adjust anything. .... thats me though I havent found significant evidence from personal testing to justify changing anything from different PG/VG ratios. never tried max pg though lol

Metasyntactic said:

Thats it. I'm happy to tinker. I actually wouldn't mind vaping some crap because it'll be one of those "Gosh I wish this pulls off... Damn... What was I thinking!". You'll only find out once you've tried.

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you are going to be a very successful mixer

wllmc said:

I vape max VG and never account for flavor loss and all seems well. right now Im vaping something just a little over 6% total pg from flavoring.

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So pure newb question;

Thatll be 94ml of VG with 6ml of your chosen food colouring?

Metasyntactic said:

So pure newb question;

Thatll be 94ml of VG with 6ml of your chosen food colouring?

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yup. I buy my nic in VG and then no matter the PG always comes from flavoring if Im at 5% or 14%. just because I use a dripper and I feel like its smoother. PG is kinda rough on me but then there are folks who cant have vg or like it thinner. but flavoring % wouldnt matter much at all. I serioulsy seriously doubt these mega batch mixers have different recipes for 70/30 24 mg and 95/5 3mg and every spectrum in between. could you imagine lol. tinker but dont make it to hard

zero mg will actually taste a lot more different than anything else in my opinion. nicotine has a taste and a feel. once you build something around that taste then take it away it cant be the same lol. zero mg is usually more vibrant and smooth more like its intended to taste

wllmc said:

zero mg will actually taste a lot more different than anything else in my opinion. nicotine has a taste and a feel. once you build something around that taste then take it away it cant be the same lol. zero mg is usually more vibrant and smooth more like its intended to taste

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Thats important to know, as I think, although I'm a zero guy, most I know are at least 1.5 with the majority at 3. I'll have to give them test batches and recover feedback

I managed to get 20 jars of 30ml flavourings (various) and 5 or 6 100ml jars of some core/favourites for £20.

So considering 1kg/1000ml cost me £8 delivered (although I've seen someone on this forum mention Darkstar do 2.5kg for £7 with £6 delivery...so £13 for 2.5kg seems mad!).

But I'm in for £30 and have 26ish different flavours at my disposal.

1000ml ÷ 10ml = 100 batches.

I could be here a while

PS I'm excluding the cost of paper to record batch numbers and recipes... As it's a small trees worth!

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Yes, as mentioned above. Make up 10ml in a 20ml bottle, so I can agitate it loads (daily).

But then some articles say don't use big bottles because there's too much air in them and youll oxygenate/weaken your brew?!

Are they taking about knocking up 10ml in 100ml squeezies or is 10 in 20/30ml going to be okay?

Making 10-15mls in a 20-30ml bottle.

AND, welcome to VU......

If I make a 10ml sample and it tastes good right off the bat, chances are it will taste better after aging, even just a day or two. I usually just make 30-50mls and vape it immediately, I get bored with the same flavors, therefore make something different each time.

Like others said, custards take longer to age, but I'm not into custards anyway, mostly fruit flavors, some mixed with vanilla bean ice cream, which for my tastes work just fine shake and vape.

Metasyntactic said:

Additional Query:

Yes, as mentioned above. Make up 10ml in a 20ml bottle, so I can agitate it loads (daily).

But then some articles say don't use big bottles because there's too much air in them and youll oxygenate/weaken your brew?!

Are they taking about knocking up 10ml in 100ml squeezies or is 10 in 20/30ml going to be okay?

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thats another topic. I fill it to the top for steeping. I can see the reason with small batch and testing but you are right it adds oxygen to the mix. I dont like it but you will probably get a pretty broad set of replies to that question lol. my version for shake and vape getting it mixed well is whats important, little air and room to slosh around is fine, for steeping the important thing is sitting for a long time un touched, no O2 no light and very few shakes in between.

wllmc said:

for steeping the important thing is sitting for a long time un touched, no O2 no light and very few shakes in between.

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I never shake during a steep. I used to because so many advise you to do it daily, but I haven't in close to a year, seems to come out just fine

Metasyntactic said:

Additional Query:

Yes, as mentioned above. Make up 10ml in a 20ml bottle, so I can agitate it loads (daily).

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I suggest using some plain old water to measure the bottles you have. You may find there's a bunch of head space left when you, for example, put 30mls in a 30ml bottle. I'm not saying putting only 10 in a 20 bottle is a bad practice, but for me it's something I've never done. (and something I don't plan on starting )

Vigorously shaking your flavors and Nic. Before mixing is much more important and cannot be overemphasized. 30 Seconds of simply waiving the bottles around in the air does not cut it.

Feel free to S&V your juice just after mixing. If you don't, how can you be sure any positive effects occurred from aging?

Ron
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"What’s in store for me in the direction I don’t take?"-Jack Kerouac

Metasyntactic said:

Would I get anywhere close to the final flavour if I tried it pretty much straight away? Overnight? 24 hours?

Ill probably looking at 20ish'ml batches for test. So if I can get a firm "Yes" on the back of that, then I can whip up 50/100ml and be enjoying that sucker in 2-4 weeks time

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This shit will drive you mad. You need to find some recipes that appeal to you that don't need weeks of steeping. If you don't, you'll be frustrated to no end. You'll be researching ways to fast steep and doing shit you don't need to do as well as buying stuff you don't need. I know, I just went through this. I bought a few items, such as a crockpot, to hurry up the process. I no longer use any of them.

In addition, because you're new at this, you'll probably make some mistakes mixing along the way, it's easy to do. You'll make a custard, let it sit for weeks and it'll be shit. Again, your frustration will drive you nuts. Find some non-custard recipes. Find recipes that use low amounts of creams as these may only need a week to taste good. Once you have some recipes that you like, then you can start in on the custards. Most of us who do this a lot have a shit load of juice at any given time so there's no frustration. I have over 2 liters of juice in my closet in about 25-30 recipes (thanks HIC). I vape 4-5 flavors a day.

Finally, don't buy a lot of anything at first, except PG & VG. Just because you like blueberry doesn't mean you'll like vaping it. Buy small 5-10ml bottles of flavors (it's not food coloring) then try them. If you like it, you can always get more.

Metasyntactic said:

Thats it. I'm happy to tinker. I actually wouldn't mind vaping some crap because it'll be one of those "Gosh I wish this pulls off... Damn... What was I thinking!". You'll only find out once you've tried.

Ive got a ton of lads on the site that Vape and they mostly Vape Dinner Lady which seems expense at £10-12 per 30ml.

So if I do accidentally strike gold... I'm sure they'll throw some money at me to increase my batch size.

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The best place in the UK to get flavors is Chef's Flavors...don't get it from Amazon.

JuicyLucy said:

I never shake during a steep. I used to because so many advise you to do it daily, but I haven't in close to a year, seems to come out just fine

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Not doing specific periodic shaking could be because of your location...

"Earthquakes are very common and there are an average of 50-100 earthquakes throughout Alaska--daily! "
http://www.lastfrontier.org/earthquakes

It seems Mother Nature already does it for you!

(Other than the initial ones when mixing, I only shake if I feel like it but always just before vaping)

Ron
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"All generalizations are false, including this one."- Mark Twain

Metasyntactic said:

Additional Query:

Yes, as mentioned above. Make up 10ml in a 20ml bottle, so I can agitate it loads (daily).

But then some articles say don't use big bottles because there's too much air in them and youll oxygenate/weaken your brew?!

Are they taking about knocking up 10ml in 100ml squeezies or is 10 in 20/30ml going to be okay?

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We're talking about mixing,shaking and developing recipes here - over a matter of days to weeks - where that empty space is needed to make adjustments and assist with any shake mixing necessary. For long term storage - months to years - you want to minimize air space to slow down and reduce nicotine oxidation.

wllmc said:

thats another topic. I fill it to the top for steeping. I can see the reason with small batch and testing but you are right it adds oxygen to the mix. I dont like it but you will probably get a pretty broad set of replies to that question lol. my version for shake and vape getting it mixed well is whats important, little air and room to slosh around is fine, for steeping the important thing is sitting for a long time un touched, no O2 no light and very few shakes in between.

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I've always filled to the top to keep the nic from oxidizing...but recently I've realized that after 7-10 days of steeping, if I open the juice and vape with it...the juice is a little peppery, but once it has a day or two of air getting at the juice it mellows out...is that wierd in your experince, am I doing something wrong?

bobnat said:

The best place in the UK to get flavors is Chef's Flavors...don't get it from Amazon.

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Wow, 100ml of flavour is £18-£24... Where as I'm paying £3-£8 from Cupcake World (came highly recommended).

Thats a big jump... Are they that good?

wllmc said:

for steeping the important thing is sitting for a long time un touched, no O2 no light and very few shakes in between.

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No O2? I.e. Keep the lid on and don't feel the urge to have a little taste.

Hmm... Seems to divide the people (although everyone here seems "Anti Shake" whilst steeping)

Is there a poll anywhere on here for the choice of shaking during steeping and just leaving it?

I made two batches today for gigs and I've got it all labelled and batched up and it's not in the bluray cupboard... Ready to be forgotten about for 30 days!

Metasyntactic said:

Wow, 100ml of flavour is £18-£24... Where as I'm paying £3-£8 from Cupcake World (came highly recommended).

Thats a big jump... Are they that good?

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I don't know about UK suppliers but if this Cupcake World stuff is made for baking it probably contains a lot of crap that you don't want to vape and inhale - like food colorings, high fructose corn syrup, apple concentrate etc. It may also have high levels of alcohol - which is only a waste when you compare pricing. What do the ingredients lists state for this stuff?

Rickajho said:

What do the ingredients lists state for this stuff?

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Ingredients list states:
Mono-propylene glycol
Flavourings

They are all clear if not slightly coloured. All the cakey ones like fudge, brownie, maple, etc are all brown/black.

I did see a lot of reviews stating people's success with ELiquid/DIY.

Rickajho said:

high fructose corn syrup

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I'm not sure about consistency... But these flavours were really thin. Didn't seem gloopy or anything.

Metasyntactic said:

I'm not sure about consistency... But these flavours were really thin. Didn't seem gloopy or anything.

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Some flavorings not meant for vaping do contain sugars that will gunk your coils up very quickly

A lot of the candy types contain didactyl - which is linked to popcorn lung, but not vaping in particular

I avoid fructose in flavorings, but don't worry a bit about didactyl - I smoked cigarettes for close to four decades so to me it's a moot point

But really, the air/don't air, shake/don't shake, leave room/don't leave room are different schools of thought.

Find out what works best for you

JuicyLucy said:

Some flavorings not meant for vaping do contain sugars that will gunk your coils up very quickly

A lot of the candy types contain didactyl - which is linked to popcorn lung, but not vaping in particular

I avoid fructose in flavorings, but don't worry a bit about didactyl - I smoked cigarettes for close to four decades so to me it's a moot point

But really, the air/don't air, shake/don't shake, leave room/don't leave room are different schools of thought.

Find out what works best for you

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Didactyl? Fructose? And dare I ask... Popcorn Lung?!

Metasyntactic said:

Didactyl? Fructose? And dare I ask... Popcorn Lung?!

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Feel free to ignore all that, lol

JuicyLucy said:

Feel free to ignore all that, lol

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Gosh... Thats massively put me on edge

"Hey drug dealer, before I take this c*caine - should I be worried about all this bad stuff I hear about it?"
"Nah bruv, ignore all that"
"Cool cool cool"
<Takes c*caine>
<Develops Popcorn Lung>

#NotAsDeliciousAsItSounds

Metasyntactic said:

Wow, 100ml of flavour is £18-£24... Where as I'm paying £3-£8 from Cupcake World (came highly recommended).

Thats a big jump... Are they that good?

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I just looked at that site. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't vape their flavors. There's a reason most of us use the same suppliers, such as TPA, Cappella, Flavor Art, etc. Their flavors may seem expensive but they're all concentrated, especially Flavor Art. For some flavors a 10ml bottle will last a very long time.

Try finding people who vape that stuff. Let me know how many you find. If you do find some, try to ascertain how many have been vaping longer than a month or two.

Metasyntactic said:

Gosh... Thats massively put me on edge

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Putting those aforementioned words in your favorite search engine (or that search box near the top of this page) should bring forth results that will calm you. So much so you may fall asleep while reading!

Heck, that's nothing! Just wait until you find a recipe you really want to mix and find you are missing 1-2 flavors. That's when the pain & suffering truly begins.

Ron
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Of doctors and medicines we have in plenty more than enough...what you may, for the Love of God, send is some large quantity of beer. -- Dispatch from the Colony, New South Wales, 1854

Metasyntactic said:

Gosh... Thats massively put me on edge

"Hey drug dealer, before I take this c*caine - should I be worried about all this bad stuff I hear about it?"
"Nah bruv, ignore all that"
"Cool cool cool"
<Takes c*caine>
<Develops Popcorn Lung>

#NotAsDeliciousAsItSounds

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Except I ain't trying to sell you anything - trying to save you big bucks actually

RonJS said:

Heck, that's nothing! Just wait until you find a recipe you really want to mix and find you are missing 1-2 flavors. That's when the pain & suffering truly begins.

Ron
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Of doctors and medicines we have in plenty more than enough...what you may, for the Love of God, send is some large quantity of beer. -- Dispatch from the Colony, New South Wales, 1854

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RonJS said:

Putting those aforementioned words in your favorite search engine (or that search box near the top of this page) should bring forth results that will calm you. So much so you may fall asleep while reading!

Heck, that's nothing! Just wait until you find a recipe you really want to mix and find you are missing 1-2 flavors. That's when the pain & suffering truly begins.

Ron
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Of doctors and medicines we have in plenty more than enough...what you may, for the Love of God, send is some large quantity of beer. -- Dispatch from the Colony, New South Wales, 1854

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That always happens. How do I have 200 flavorings and not have these flavors for this recipe

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RonJS said:

Heck, that's nothing! Just wait until you find a recipe you really want to mix and find you are missing 1-2 flavors. That's when the pain & suffering truly begins.

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^^^^^this

Im sure I could wait another 2 days to order the missing ingredients as im going to be waiting a month for a taste anyway

Tried to upload a picture of my laboratory set-up, but it said the file was too big :|

Just to add to the pot (or the 30ml squeezee bottle if that is the more accurate term)...

But I'm looking at some of this top end brand flavours that everyone is mentioning, but I've found some - midrange - nice reviews etc but the ingredients state;

Flavour Preparations
Propylene Glycol
Water

Plus in the White Chocolate it's got "Cocoa" in it.

Plus Triacetin in the Butterscotch

And *Alcohol* in the Bubblegum one?!

Also, sometimes it's natural flavours, sometimes its prepared flavours and sometimes it has the above and just plain ol' "Flavourings".

What should I be avoiding?