Why is RTA/RDA Better ?

Sukuhdi · May 8, 2017

I'm talking about flavor only, I'm not to chasing massive clouds.I can buy pre-made coils that use the same wire and cotton just like you guys do. I can buy a pre-made coil with Kanthal, Nickel, SS, Clapton's, or even Ceramic rfrom any Ohm's ranging from .1 to 1.5. I can buy Big pre-made coils with a lot of cotton like Smok, or Cleito, I can buy small coils with less cotton coils like the Melo 3 or Kanger. I can buy coils tanks that vape at 20w-50w, (like me), or I can get a pre-made that runs 100-200W like the cloud chasers.

We use the exact same ingredients, and I can buy 200+ different kinds of pre-made coils just for my 3 tanks. Is the whole DIY think more of a hobby/money saver? or do you honestly believe that your DIY coils are that much better than the pre-made?

Why is it Better???

(can u please say "wire", when people say "coil" in the forum they mean pre-made coils, not the "wire" DIY uses)

r055co · May 8, 2017

Yes I can honestly say the coils I make are light years better than factory made coils. It comes down to options and quality control

I make my own fused Claptons with quality wire anywhere from 24x2/36 to 34x2/44.
I also use quality Cotton

This is it, bottom line and it's not a placebo effect either for I get feedback from others.

When I first started building the fanciest I could do was twisted wire was light years ahead in terms of flavor than any factory coil could produce. I also have a few Crown tanks that I use the RBA deck with my own builds, again flavor 10x better than the factory coils.

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

With regards to your last note when I wrap my wire it becomes a coil

All of the premade coils are either a clapton or a single wire wrapped in very tight cotton normally around the outside with the airflow coming through the centre of the coil.you can get decent flavour from premades but it comes at a premium

When you make you own you aren't consigned by this
1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area creates better flavour and vapour
2) you control the wicking and you don't need to pack it in like the premade ones
3) wicking for the most part is done in the centre of the coil and since heat dissipation is greater from the outside you have more juice bubbling on the surface creating a more satisfying vape
4) you can fine tune the diy coils with the materials you make ...want faster ramp up no problem use thinnger gauge and less wraps you just can't control this aspect in the same way for premade
5) you can mount and place the coils where the airflow will best hit the diy coil, gives you more options over side vs bottom airflow
6) you can get creative with diy ...if you want one huge coil fine have that ...want 4 smaller coils can have that to for the most part 2 are enough
7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space them properly
8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run ...can clean the coil and reuse for ages

I could probably go on

r055co · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
With regards to your last note when I wrap my wire it becomes a coil

All of the premade coils are either a clapton or a single wire wrapped in very tight cotton normally around the outside with the airflow coming through the centre of the coil site you can get decent flavour from premade s but it comes at a premium

When you make you own you aren't consigned by this
1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area creates better flavour and vapour
2) you control the wicking and you don't need to pack it in like the premade ones
3) wicking for the most part is done in the centre of the coil and since heat dissipation is greater from the outside you have more juice bubbling on the surface creating a more satisfying vape
4) you can fine tune the diy coils with the materials you make ...want faster ramp up no problem use thinnger gauge and less wraps you just can't control this aspect in the same way for premade
5) you can mount and place the coils where you the airflow will best hit the diy coil gives you more options over side vs bottom airflow
6) you can get creative with diy you want one. If huge coil fine have that ...want 4 smaller coils can have that to for the most part 2 are enough
7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space them properly
8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run ...can clean the coil and reuse for ages

I could probably go on

Yep, I've talked a number of people into getting the RBA deck for the Cleito, Beast, etc tanks. I've helped them do their first build and every single one of them rarely ever use factory coils any longer. If they do it's only for convenience factory only on the rare occasion they don't have time to rewick or build.

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
Yep, I've talked a number of people into getting the RBA deck for the Cleito, Beast, etc tanks. I've helped them do their first build and every single one of them rarely ever use factory coils any longer. If they do it's only for convenience factory only on the rare occasion they don't have time to rewick or build.

Yeah I'm the same I only use the TFV8 if I'm in a fix now, in all honesty once the current coil is done I'll be packing it away for good just no need to use it

Trying to do the same with my buddies at work hell I've offered to make them some fused claptons just to try it out once they get a taste for it there is no going back

once they've tried it I'll show them how easy it is to make thier own whenever they have a puff on my set up they always say how good flavour and smooth that vape is ...best thing I ever did was get into diy juice first, then coils even looking into doing my own mod now

DIY for the win

Sukuhdi · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
With regards to your last note when I wrap my wire it becomes a coil

All of the premade coils are either a clapton or a single wire wrapped in very tight cotton normally around the outside with the airflow coming through the centre of the coil site you can get decent flavour from premade s but it comes at a premium

When you make you own you aren't consigned by this
1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area creates better flavour and vapour
2) you control the wicking and you don't need to pack it in like the premade ones
3) wicking for the most part is done in the centre of the coil and since heat dissipation is greater from the outside you have more juice bubbling on the surface creating a more satisfying vape
4) you can fine tune the diy coils with the materials you make ...want faster ramp up no problem use thinnger gauge and less wraps you just can't control this aspect in the same way for premade
5) you can mount and place the coils where you the airflow will best hit the diy coil gives you more options over side vs bottom airflow
6) you can get creative with diy you want one. If huge coil fine have that ...want 4 smaller coils can have that to for the most part 2 are enough
7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space them properly
8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run ...can clean the coil and reuse for ages

I could probably go on

"1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area"
a) Thats what i mean by buying big ass TFV8/ Cleito coils with big cotton surface area, you see how much wire and cotton they use in those? (you vaping at like 200w? How much surface area do you need for vaping under 70w)

"4) you can fine tune the diy coils, use thinnger gauge w/ less wraps you cant do that in the same way for premade"
a) Thats not true, there are hundreds of coil options all with different builds of thinner wire with less wraps in pre- mades. Do you think you have "special wire" that you use, that these Million Dollar companies dont?

"5) you can mount and place the coils"
a) Our pre-made coil work with out top air flow tanks and bottom air flow tanks, some with straight chimneys like the Cleito and multi chimney coils like Smok. We have a ton of different tank/coils with unique coil/air designs.

"6) you can get creative with diy you want one"
a) Thats what i mean, "get creative" is just a vague description for everything you mentioned before.

"7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space"
a) There are hundreds of amazing Nickel coils for the TC guys, all different size wire set-ups

"8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run"
a) yes its a little cheaper, but its time, you go to a restaurant and spend $20-$30 on a meal, you can cook for $5-$10 all because you dont want to waste 20-30 mins cooking, I bet you waste that time in a month DIY you coils. If your time is so valuable buy pre-mades and save money.

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

I will say this though the original crown still rocks for flavour with the premade SS coils my wife loves hers she just won't give it up even when I've offered to do everything for her lol ...it's not the same league as diy but it's one of the best I've tried

r055co · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
Yeah I'm the same I only use the TFV8 if I'm in a fix now, in all honesty once the current coil is done I'll be packing it away for good just no need to use it

Trying to do the same with my buddies at work hell I've offered to make them some fused claptons just to try it out once they get a taste for it there is no going back

once they've tried it I'll show them how easy it is to make thier own whenever they have a puff on my set up they always say how good flavour and smooth that vape is ...best thing I ever did was get into diy juice first, then coils even looking into doing my own mod now

DIY for the win

Yep, making a basic bare wire coil is so damn easy. Seriously how difficult is it to wrap a wire around a screwdriver? The flavor is so much better and the cost factor? Hell those Beast coils are something around $8 each and last what, a week maybe two if you really stretch it? With the RBA deck less than a penny in materials, 10x the flavor and the coil lasts for months.

Quality of wire is a huge factor also, best wire I've found is Kidney Puncher, real Kanthal (Sandvik) and the SS is smelted in Sweden and Milled in the US. The same with Atomizer Wick and Temco is right up close with both of them in quality also. Their Kanthal is also actual real Sandvik Kanthal, none of this cheap garbage Chinese wire.

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

Sukuhdi said:
"1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area"
a) Thats what i mean by buying big ass TFV8/ Cleito coils with big cotton surface area, you see how much wire and cotton they use in those? (you vaping at like 200w? How much surface area do you need for vaping under 70w)

"4) you can fine tune the diy coils, use thinnger gauge w/ less wraps you cant do that in the same way for premade"
a) Thats not true, there are hundreds of coil options all with different builds of thinner wire with less wraps in pre- mades. Do you think you have "special wire" that you use, that these Million Dollar companies dont?

"5) you can mount and place the coils"
a) Our pre-made coil work with out top air flow tanks and bottom air flow tanks, some with straight chimneys like the Cleito and multi chimney coils like Smok. We have a ton of different tank/coils with unique coil/air designs.

"6) you can get creative with diy you want one"

"7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space"

"8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run"

I have a TFV8 mate honest you can't even start waking it up until 70-80watts tried the TFV12 as well it's not noticeably that much better than the 8 but that doesn't wake up until 120w they are both good at drinking juice though I'll give them that

I use coils that require 80w max create more flavour and vapour than those tanks... I've got a single coil in the pharoah at the moment that's outdoing the tf-t8 coils for clouds and flavour

Sukuhdi · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
6) you can get creative with diy you want one. If huge coil fine have that ...want 4 smaller coils can have that to for the most part 2 are enough

Thats what i means by the Smok coils, they have 4 smaller coil's all in 1 pre-made coil. How is that different than your 4 coils setup?

r055co · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
I will say this though the original crown still rocks for flavour with the premade SS coils my wife loves hers she just won't give it up even when I've offered to do everything for her lol ...it's not the same league as diy but it's one of the best I've tried

Yeah I still rock my Crowns from time to time, I've got 4 of the regular and 3 of the Mini's. I do pop a factory coil in once in a while but I mostly rock them with my own builds with the RBA deck.

KingPin! said:
I have a TFV8 mate honest you can't even start waking it up until 70-80watts tried the TFV12 as well it's not noticeably that much better than the 8 but that doesn't wake up until 120w they are both good at drinking juice though I'll give them that

I use coils that require 80w max create more flavour and vapour than those tanks... I've got a single coil in the pharoah at the moment that's outdoing the tf-t8 coils for clouds and flavour

They're good for the RBA deck for someone first starting to build, other than that .........

r055co · May 8, 2017

Sukuhdi said:
Thats what i means by the Smok coils, they have 4 smaller coil's all in 1 pre-made coil. How is that different than your 4 coils setup?

Flavor

jasonandsarah · May 8, 2017

I thought about asking this same question myself. But after reading some things and looking at prices, I've decided it's just not worth it to me to not at least try it. I mean it really doesn't cost much to give it a go.
I've spent 30$ on a tank I can build on, wire and cotton. Only thing I haven't gotten is a ohm meter. I'm sure the tank I got isn't top notch, but it was $10 and good enough to try things out imo.

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r055co · May 8, 2017

Sukuhdi said:
"1) you can make coils that end up having a larger surface area"
a) Thats what i mean by buying big ass TFV8/ Cleito coils with big cotton surface area, you see how much wire and cotton they use in those? (you vaping at like 200w? How much surface area do you need for vaping under 70w)

"4) you can fine tune the diy coils, use thinnger gauge w/ less wraps you cant do that in the same way for premade"
a) Thats not true, there are hundreds of coil options all with different builds of thinner wire with less wraps in pre- mades. Do you think you have "special wire" that you use, that these Million Dollar companies dont?

"5) you can mount and place the coils"
a) Our pre-made coil work with out top air flow tanks and bottom air flow tanks, some with straight chimneys like the Cleito and multi chimney coils like Smok. We have a ton of different tank/coils with unique coil/air designs.

"6) you can get creative with diy you want one"
a) Thats what i mean, "get creative" is just a vague description for everything you mentioned before.

"7) better for temp control in that you can select the right material space"
a) There are hundreds of amazing Nickel coils for the TC guys, all different size wire set-ups

"8) hell of a lot cheaper in the long run"
a) yes its a little cheaper, but its time, you go to a restaurant and spend $20-$30 on a meal, you can cook for $5-$10 all because you dont want to waste 20-30 mins cooking, I bet you waste that time in a month DIY you coils. If your time is so valuable buy pre-mades and save money.

Makes sense now, you're a Troll for Smok

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

Sukuhdi said:
Thats what i means by the Smok coils, they have 4 smaller coil's all in 1 pre-made coil. How is that different than your 4 coils setup?

You need to read that in conjunction with my other points to have the whole picture of what I meant

Have you tried DIY yet ? There's no magic going on with some mystical wire we all use hehe it is just a better vape until you give it a go it's difficult to convey ... how often do you find you need the break a coil in? Never get that on DIY when I used cotton bacon and clean my wire before wrapping it's just instant flavour 0 break in time
Do I need to slowly ramp up to get it wicking ok ...nope

Why spend £15 on 3 premade coils when I can knock out two dozen or more for the same price

ttatlanta · May 8, 2017

Sukuhdi said:
Why is it Better???

Control. Some are happy with automatic transmission, others want a stick shift.

r055co said:
Makes sense now, you're a Troll for Smok

I believe the term in this case is a shill, not a troll.

r055co · May 8, 2017

jasonandsarah said:
I thought about asking this same question myself. But after reading some things and looking at prices, I've decided it's just not worth it to me to not at least try it. I mean it really doesn't cost much to give it a go.
I've spent 30$ on a tank I can build on, wire and cotton. Only thing I haven't gotten is a ohm meter. I'm sure the tank I got isn't top notch, but it was $10 and good enough to try things out imo.

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Yep, welcome to the Rabbit Hole. Cheaper, better, zillions of options you're going to have a blast and be blown away with just how good the flavor is over expensive mass produced factory junk

r055co · May 8, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Control. Some are happy with automatic transmission, others want a stick shift.

I believe the term in this case is shill, not troll.

No I say Troll ;}

Sukuhdi said:
"5) you can mount and place the coils"
a) Our pre-made coil work with out top air flow tanks and bottom air flow tanks, some with straight chimneys like the Cleito and multi chimney coils like Smok. We have a ton of different tank/coils with unique coil/air designs.

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
Yeah I still rock my Crowns from time to time, I've got 4 of the regular and 3 of the Mini's. I do pop a factory coil in once in a while but I mostly rock them with my own builds with the RBA deck.

They're good for the RBA deck for someone first starting to build, other than that .........

I hated the RBA deck on the beast finicky wicking
Suppose it was ok to practice on but wouldn't recommend it to anyone giving them a view as to what true rebuilables are like

...getting the Boreas for my first RTA was best thing I did so much better having a dedicated rebuilable then eventually going to RDTA and RDA even better for me personally ...squonking RDA there is nothing better it's the whole package

KingPin! · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
Yep, welcome to the Rabbit Hole. Cheaper, better, zillions of options you're going to have a blast and be blown away with just how good the flavor is over expensive mass produced factory junk

Yeah agree with this it certainly can be a rabbit hole lol shinyitess is a real thing there are so many options out there it's a minefield some are better than others most just are rebuilds of other atty designs occasionally one stands out as a must have at least that's my experience so far

r055co · May 8, 2017

KingPin! said:
I hated the RBA deck on the beast finicky wicking
Suppose it was ok to practice on but wouldn't recommend it to anyone giving them a view as to what true rebuilables are like

...getting the Boreas for my first RTA was best thing I did so much better having a dedicated rebuilable then eventually going to RDTA and RDA even better for me personally ...squonking RDA there is nothing better it's the whole package

Boreas is still my favorite =< 25mm Tank, it's amazing.

Why I say the Beast is decent for first timers it allows them to go back and forth between factory coils and building their own. Yes IMO it's best having a full on RTA, but some would rather stick their toe in the water first. My first RTA was the SquapeRS, simple to build on, exquisite machining and a flavor monster. I still break it out every now and again when I get the MTL itch.

jasonandsarah · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
No I say Troll ;}

When you highlight them like that it brings a whole new meaning to the message! Lol at least for me it did haha

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KingPin! · May 8, 2017

The other thing going for premade coils are they are plug and play no thought needed other than priming they come out resistence wise as written (unless there is a short on the coil somewhere) ...there is a learning curve associated with building for your own for safety reasons always start on a regulated mod never go straight for a mechanical without being experienced ... and learn how to use steam engine, get an ohm reader and look up ohms law there are many guides all over this forum or ask experienced members for help most are happy to offer advice

@gbalkam created a really good thread for budding builders with video guides for the early coil stages hopefully he'll pop in and post a link to it

r055co · May 8, 2017

jasonandsarah said:
When you highlight them like that it brings a whole new meaning to the message! Lol at least for me it did haha

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Yep, was very odd at how animate they are with pushing factory coils that everyone and their dogs know are not anywhere close to being as good as ones built by yourself. But it all made sense when I caught their "slip"

ttatlanta · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
No I say Troll ;}

Let's agree on a trolling shill or a shilling troll

jasonandsarah said:
Only thing I haven't gotten is a ohm meter.

By the way, with a regulated mod you don't really need an ohmmeter, it will show you the resistance.

r055co · May 8, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Let's agree on a trolling shill or a shilling troll

By the way, with a regulated mod you don't really need an ohmmeter, it will show you the resistance.

Disagree, always get an ohm meter, a good one. The ones on Mod's more times than not are not that accurate. Besides a decent Ohm Meter makes a great build deck

jasonandsarah · May 8, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Let's agree on a trolling shill or a shilling troll

By the way, with a regulated mod you don't really need an ohmmeter, it will show you the resistance.

Yeah I'm kinda hoping my mod was just having some first time user hiccups, when I first put it all together it kept reading my .15 coil at .25, .27 or .whatever besides what it was supposed to be. It's actually still not right as the best I could get after a few tries was .17 and I left it at that hoping it was close enough? Lol hopefully I'm not doing anything to wrong?

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UncleMike · May 8, 2017

Why is it Better???
For me it's more cost effective to build my own. I also DIY my own ejuice. When I'm making new recipes I sometimes might sample 10 or more of those recipes a day. If I had to replace a store bought coil each time I changed flavors it would cost a fortune. I can build a coil for mere pennies, same with the cotton. When I want to change flavor profiles I can just pull out the cotton, dry burn the coil and put in new cotton. Then I can taste the new recipe without fear of bleed over from the previous flavor. Plus I can build any coil to suit my tastes exactly as I want. To each their own though. We all have different needs and preferences.

Khassy · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
Makes sense now, you're a Troll for Smok

I hope he/she is an unpaid troll. Otherwise, you'd think they could hire someone with better communication skills.

Synphul · May 8, 2017

I had to laugh when the op referred to 'million dollar' companies. Yea for the price of coils alone, I bet they are million dollar companies.

Premade coils at anywhere from $2.50-$8/ea (not including shipping or anything) vs diy simple twisted coils at a fraction of the cost. A spool of 316L runs around $2 for 30ft of wire, cut in half and twisted ends up around 12ft of twisted wire. 6" or so per coil means 24 coils and $0.01 for cotton to wick them, so 24 wicked coils for less than the cost of a cheap premade coil.

In the end, that's $0.08 to $0.09/each for diy coils. 27x to 89x cheaper than premade. And when the flavor gets iffy or you want to change juice flavors, it costs $0.01 for new cotton. Joc, not recycled tampons or cotton balls. The diy coils last longer, when the cotton on a premade begins tasting like crap you have to chuck the whole thing.

It's not the difference between eating at home and cooking for 30min vs eating out. A homemade quarter pound hamburger cost me all of a $1.50 and that includes the meat, buns, toppings etc. A quarter pounder from McD's runs like $3-4. A nice hamburger meal from a diner may run $8-10. To equally compare it to the premade vs diy coils, the restaurant hamburger would end up costing $40.5 PER burger up to $133.50. Can I sell you some $100 burgers? Step right up, for that price I've got 'em all day long for you. Damn right I'll spend 20-30min making them at that cost difference.

In the end you still end up waiting a good 10-15min on that burger from the diner so no real time savings by the time you park, go in, get seated, place your order, get your appetizer etc.

They also don't offer hundreds of coils for a given atty, maybe half a dozen or so. You're stuck vaping what they provide, if you want something different you have to hope that a competing company (and their proprietary atty which may suffer from leaks, poor airflow etc) offers them. Diy you have endless possibilities.

Figuring an average of $5.25 per factory coil and getting even 2 weeks out of it (if you can stretch it that long every time), $136.50 a year. If you change it once a week that's $273/yr. On average I change my coils once every 3 weeks, sometimes longer between. Even rewicking every day that amounts to less than $6/yr. $130-260 savings, sounds like a nice mod purchase to me. Better I get a new mod than the atty makers pocket that money.

Also love the arguments about what 'time is worth'. It's all subjective and can't be based on what a company pays in wages on a paycheck. Whether it's salary or hourly, it's a fixed amount. You typically don't get to tell your boss 'gee I'd like to work another 4hrs this week and make extra cash'. Or the opposite, when people will prattle on about what their time is worth, then blow 30min playing angry birds or candy crush on their iphone. Sort of kills the whole 'what my time is worth' argument. What it's worth is subjective, to some it's worth playing virtual slots. For others it's worth building coils.

Someone so adamantly concerned about what their time is worth and taking that position while pissing away their time trolling and making thin arguments via repetitive posts on a forum is priceless. Must have been some expensive posts or maybe their time is worth so much that they have pleebs to post on forums and argue for them while they tend more important things.

r055co · May 8, 2017

Synphul said:
I had to laugh when the op referred to 'million dollar' companies. Yea for the price of coils alone, I bet they are million dollar companies. Premade coils at anywhere from $2.50-$8/ea (not including shipping or anything) vs diy simple twisted coils at a fraction of the cost. A spool of 316L runs around $2 for 30ft of wire, cut in half and twisted ends up around 12ft of twisted wire. 6" or so per coil means 24 coils and $0.01 for cotton to wick them, so 24 wicked coils for less than the cost of a cheap premade coil.

In the end, that's $0.08 to $0.09/each for diy coils. 27x to 89x cheaper than premade. And when the flavor gets iffy or you want to change juice flavors, it costs $0.01 for new cotton. Joc, not recycled tampons or cotton balls. The diy coils last longer, when the cotton on a premade begins tasting like crap you have to chuck the whole thing.

It's not the difference between eating at home and cooking for 30min vs eating out. A homemade quarter pound hamburger cost me all of a $1.50 and that includes the meat, buns, toppings etc. A quarter pounder from McD's runs like $3-4. A nice hamburger meal from a diner may run $8-10. To equally compare it to the premade vs diy coils, the restaurant hamburger would end up costing $40.5 PER burger up to $133.50. Can I sell you some $100 burgers? Step right up, for that price I've got 'em all day long for you. Damn right I'll spend 20-30min making them at that cost difference.

In the end you still end up waiting a good 10-15min on that burger from the diner so no real time savings by the time you park, go in, get seated, place your order, get your appetizer etc.

They also don't offer hundreds of coils for a given atty, maybe half a dozen or so. You're stuck vaping what they provide, if you want something different you have to hope that a competing company (and their proprietary atty which may suffer from leaks, poor airflow etc) offers them. Diy you have endless possibilities.

Figuring an average of $5.25 per factory coil and getting even 2 weeks out of it (if you can stretch it that long every time), $136.50 a year. If you change it once a week that's $273/yr. On average I change my coils once every 3 weeks, sometimes longer between. Even rewicking every day that amounts to less than $6/yr. $130-260 savings, sounds like a nice mod purchase to me. Better I get a new mod than the atty makers pocket that money.

Also love the arguments about what 'time is worth'. It's all subjective and can't be based on what a company pays in wages on a paycheck. Whether it's salary or hourly, it's a fixed amount. You typically don't get to tell your boss 'gee I'd like to work another 4hrs this week and make extra cash'. Or the opposite, when people will prattle on about what their time is worth, then blow 30min playing angry birds or candy crush on their iphone. Sort of kills the whole 'what my time is worth' argument. What it's worth is subjective, to some it's worth playing virtual slots. For others it's worth building coils.

Someone so adamantly concerned about what their time is worth and taking that position while pissing away their time trolling and making thin arguments via repetitive posts on a forum is priceless. Must have been some expensive posts or maybe their time is worth so much that they have pleebs to post on forums and argue for them while they tend more important things.

All this +++++++++++++ much better flavor and Vapor production that expensive factory coils simply cannot compete with.

That's just the cold hard facts

ttatlanta · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
Disagree, always get an ohm meter, a good one. The ones on Mod's more times than not are not that accurate. Besides a decent Ohm Meter makes a great build deck

Disagree with everything except the last part. I've got 3 Coil Master ohm meters, and they all show different resistance on the same build in a second digit after decimal. My mods (various DNA boards) are 100% consistent with each other, as well as with my Fluke multimeter. Besides, your regulated mod will be calculating the voltage or run a TC based on the resistance that it measured, so even if your meter is right and the mod is wrong, what's the point?

Personally, I use ohm meters as a convenient building surface and to check if the resistance changes when I wick & finish the build. Even a dry firing feature is not that useful with heavier builds (single cell, gimme a break!).

jasonandsarah said:
Yeah I'm kinda hoping my mod was just having some first time user hiccups, when I first put it all together it kept reading my .15 coil at .25, .27 or .whatever besides what it was supposed to be. It's actually still not right as the best I could get after a few tries was .17 and I left it at that hoping it was close enough? Lol hopefully I'm not doing anything to wrong?

For as long as your resistance doesn't drift dramatically when you wick the coil and screw on the rest of the atty, you're good. However, if you have the same coil reading .17 and then .27, something's not right – unless you're dry firing the nickel, which you shouldn't do anyway

r055co · May 8, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Disagree with everything except the last part. I've got 3 Coil Master ohm meters, and they all show different resistance on the same build in a second digit after decimal. My mods (various DNA boards) are 100% consistent with each other, as well as with my Fluke multimeter. Besides, your regulated mod will be calculating the voltage or run a TC based on the resistance that it measured, so even if your meter is right and the mod is wrong, what's the point?

I said a good Ohm Meter, I've got a couple of USA Ohm Meter's. DNA's yes are consistent and accurate but not everyone has a Mod with an Evolve Chip. Plus having a good Ohm Meter you always have something to check when things are a bit wonky. Chips fail, that's what they do.

Oh and not everyone buy's into they hype of TC

What's the point? Simple having accurate readings

ttatlanta · May 8, 2017

r055co said:
I've got a couple of USA Ohm Meter's.

Judging by their website, they are no longer in business of selling ohmmeters… :huh:

r055co · May 8, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Judging by their website, they are no longer in business of selling ohmmeters…

Shame, they were well known for having the most accurate, within 0.04

Oh well, many of us that have them are set

r055co · May 9, 2017

ttatlanta said:
Judging by their website, they are no longer in business of selling ohmmeters…

I contacted them and confirmed that Ohm Meters are discontinued.

Yeah it's like WTF?

Shit now I have to hunt around for a reliable and accurate source for Ohm Meters. The two I have are rock solid but need a couple in the FDA Apocalypse Stash.

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MWorthington · May 9, 2017

I've got a Bk Precision I've had since 1992. Still ticking right along.

r055co · May 9, 2017

MWorthington said:
I've got a Bk Precision I've had since 1992. Still ticking right along.

Yeah my USA Meters I'm sure will last forever, they are extremely well built, but still. Them discontinuing them is like if Coca-Cola discontinued making Soda.

Stupid move IMO

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MWorthington · May 9, 2017

r055co said:
Yeah my USA Meters I'm sure will last forever, they are extremely well built, but still. Them discontinuing them is like if Coca-Cola discontinued making Soda.

Stupid move IMO

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I heard that. They still make the model I have but it's in revision C now and costs about twice what I paid for mine.

I've also got a Simpson 260 analog that I bought used/repaired in 1980. It still works like a champ as well. There's no sub for good quality tools.

ttatlanta · May 9, 2017

r055co said:
I contacted them and confirmed that Ohm Meters are discontinued.
Yeah it's like WTF?

First usaohmmeters.com discontinued ohmmeters… next they gonna move to Mexico :wait:

Pancho_Brown · May 9, 2017

r055co said:
I contacted them and confirmed that Ohm Meters are discontinued.

Yeah it's like WTF?

Shit now I have to hunt around for a reliable and accurate source for Ohm Meters. The two I have are rock solid but need a couple in the FDA Apocalypse Stash.

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Let me know if you find a source. I wouldn't mind picking up a couple for safe keeping

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r055co · May 9, 2017

Pancho_Brown said:
Let me know if you find a source. I wouldn't mind picking up a couple for safe keeping

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SCORE!

Hunted around and got a batch (last batch), they the red translucent that take AA batteries

PM me and I can sell you a few when I get them and insure they're good, $10 each + $7 Shipping in CONUS

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HondaDavidson · May 9, 2017

OK heres Why Rebuildable is better......... Name ONE factory or prewrap brand that will give me 0.3 to 1 ohm builds for a single atomizer all to be vaped at 25 watts or less. Must produce respectable clouds and EXCELLENT flavor.

EMusic · May 9, 2017

I no longer buy or use factory coils. Even the TFV8 factory coils are not nearly as good as the RBA deck IMO. I only do RTAs, RBAs and RDAs now.

I'm sure I'll love RDTAs once I get one, too.

Chinamatic · May 9, 2017

Are there any companies that sell packs of coils in which 1 or 2 of them are not duds?

Or perhaps its the inconsistency between the 5 coils in the pack?
One coil lasts 3 weeks with another one only a few days.

Or how about when I change juices, I don't have toss out the coil or face some abominable mixture of flavours?

Lastly, why are you existing in this temporal world?

jasonandsarah · May 9, 2017

Chinamatic said:
Are there any companies that sell packs of coils in which 1 or 2 of them are not duds?

Or perhaps its the inconsistency between the 5 coils in the pack?
One coil lasts 3 weeks with another one only a few days.

Or how about when I change juices, I don't have toss out the coil or face some abominable mixture of flavours?

Lastly, why are you existing in this temporal world?

I just opened a new pack today and I'm on my 3rd one! Idk what's going on but they keep leaving this burnt taste in my mouth!! I'm really aggravated about this! My rta won't be here for a couple days at least!

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MWorthington · May 9, 2017

jasonandsarah said:
I just opened a new pack today and I'm on my 3rd one! Idk what's going on but they keep leaving this burnt taste in my mouth!! I'm really aggravated about this! My rta won't be here for a couple days at least!

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Sounds like you're having the same problem I'm having since I got my new mod. The tank can't wick fast enough to keep up with the power.

jasonandsarah · May 9, 2017

MWorthington said:
Sounds like you're having the same problem I'm having since I got my new mod. The tank can't wick fast enough to keep up with the power.

That's what I thought possibly but I read a little and found a trick. Poked a couple small holes in the outside cotton and allow it to flow through faster. Didn't really help though

I mean I'm only vaping at 80w and the coils rated ip to 140w! I'm confused and it's leaving a bad taste in my mouth

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Mista Malice · May 9, 2017

I have friends that only use tanks and the replaceable atomizers, and they are fine with that. I've always found the flavor a bit muted on them. The benefit to building your own Coils is only YOU know exactly what kind of Vape you're looking for and you can nail it by building that type of Coil with various Wire, Different methods of wicking, number of wraps, size of wraps, type of build, etc... That type of customization cannot be rivaled with a factory made atomizer.

With replaceable atomizers.. your limited to what the atomizer can do and changing your watts, that's it.

Both are good if the person using it is happy with what they're getting and not smoking cigarettes in the end though.

KingPin! · May 9, 2017

jasonandsarah said:
I just opened a new pack today and I'm on my 3rd one! Idk what's going on but they keep leaving this burnt taste in my mouth!! I'm really aggravated about this! My rta won't be here for a couple days at least!

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