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zafirovp

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Hello,

I know it is stupid question but it bothers me quite a lot since Im spending so much time making exotic coils and in the end my ordinary RTA with just a micro coil is producing better flavour.

The device is mainly Evic Vtwo mini 75W. I vape on TC at 200 degrees Celsius and 50W max.

My RTA is Zephyrus V2 with 0.25 ohm double micro coil, 2mm, 26g, SS316L.

On my RDA's (Goon and Velocity V1) I tried SS Twisted wire, Clapton, Fused Clapton, Staggered Clapton and Alien coils. All were 3mm, 26g, between 0.5-0.2 ohm.

What am I doing wrong. I just don't get it. How is just an ordinary RTA better than RDA with such sophisticated coils. What can be the possible issue. The only thing I can think of is not enough Wattage.
 
Synphul

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It could be the size of the coils (diameter), positioning of the coils in regards to the airflow, amount of airflow. The rta you're using has a relatively small chamber which means all the vapor is concentrated and shooting straight up the chimney. In an rda there's more room for the vapor to swirl around and if you have the airflow too wide open it could be diluting the flavor. You may also try turning up the wattage, with more airflow comes a requirement for more heat to compensate.
 
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Not sure about the velocity, but with the Goon your wattage is almost certainly the problem. I find that I get good performance out of it at around 100 watts with most of the builds I've put in it. Also bear in mind that it's not the most flavor intense RDA out there. You can definitely get some good flavor out of it, but it's more of a medium flavor/medium clouds kind of atty rather than being particularly great at one or the other.
 
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Few questions

What material are you using in the more complex coil?

Also are you vaping everything in TC or power mode?

If All in TC do you use the same settings for everything?
 
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zafirovp said:
Im using mainly SS for all coils.

I switch between TC and Power Mode all the time.

I switch TC settings all the time to experiment.
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Cool no worries just ruling a few avenues out:)

If you are pushing through more wattage to compensate for the increase in mass (or adjusting the preheat in TC mode) and you still prefer the simple wrap then it might be you just prefer keeping it simple like turtles said especially if you are a flavour chaser with restricted inhale style

Cromwell summed it up with the ice cream analogy :)
 
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Those are some well respected RDA's but the gap between how you get good flavor from those type RDA's and the tank your currently using is huge. It's a gap in power, air flow, juice consumption etc... It's a very large gap. You may find that you don't enjoy the kind of vaping it takes to get flavor from those RDA's. I have never enjoyed RDA's like that even when I installed huge coils and pumped everything way up. Even using TC and keeping the vape cool it just wasn't for me. However I really enjoy my Peerless and my Pharoah, both with some nice coils Raymo built in them. I don't hit them with a lot of power either, usually 50 to 60 watts. I also like tiny RDA's with simple dual coil builds in them. I still use my tiny Derringer's regularly with dual 24 guage 6 wrap contact coils and a 3 mm ID. Using them in TC I get a great vape from them. Something like that may be a better way to dip your toes into the RDA side of the pool.
 
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Yes personal preference in ones vaping style.
I do not own nor plan to own any RDA over 22mm in diameter.
Just not a Klowdz fer Daze type.
 
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The Cromwell said:
Yes personal preference in ones vaping style.
I do not own nor plan to own any RDA over 22mm in diameter.
Just not a Klowdz fer Daze type.
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You bet, I do what I like, not what somebody with an axe to grind or a review to push says 'is best'.
I have changed my vaping a few times (understatement) over the years. Went from VV to VW to TC, and now I'm back to VV. the iPWM is my 'chipset' for now.
However, I disagree with the nothing over 22mm. I got a couple Aromamizer Plus tanks and love them. The 10ml glass lasts me all day. All day!
With my 2 20700 batteries, that means that for my 50-60W vaping style, I only need fill and change batteries once a day.

Love it.
 
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ShowerHead said:
However, I disagree with the nothing over 22mm. I got a couple Aromamizer Plus tanks and love them. The 10ml glass lasts me all day. All day!
With my 2 20700 batteries, that means that for my 50-60W vaping style, I only need fill and change batteries once a day.
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Disagree and enjoy your difference. As long as it works for you.
Heck vape a cigalike as far as I care. If you like it and it keeps you off of cigs.
I personally just see no need for any RDA over 22mm. One reason is that I do not want to have to upgrade to bigger modz to fit a bigger atty. And the other is I never vape over 60 watts. mostly 18-30.

We need 20350 batteries so we can stack them in a 20700 mech tube :)
 
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The Cromwell said:
Disagree and enjoy your difference. As long as it works for you.
Heck vape a cigalike as far as I care. If you like it and it keeps you off of cigs.
I personally just see no need for any RDA over 22mm. One reason is that I do not want to have to upgrade to bigger modz to fit a bigger atty. And the other is I never vape over 60 watts. mostly 18-30.
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right!?? "mostly 18-30" as the cromwell points out.. power is not necessarily the answer... I get great flavor out of SS316l 6 wraps ... and no claptons... sips juice as well... 20 to 35 w TC (cuz I can and it's SS). Coil placement / airflow / chamber size / TYPE OF JUICE (commercial and heavy flavoring plus sweetener OR DIY ) some juice is good at high wattage some at low etc...

it's all about the g spot .. errr sweet spot .. eh! same same .... ;p

oh and I do the claptons as well .. fused / alien etc.. can do wonders.. but don't have to have em.
 
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ShowerHead said:
However, I disagree with the nothing over 22mm. I got a couple Aromamizer Plus tanks and love them. The 10ml glass lasts me all day. All day!
With my 2 20700 batteries, that means that for my 50-60W vaping style, I only need fill and change batteries once a day.
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and this works as well ! but could also throw a high ohm build in there and cut the wattage/ voltage and still get great flavor... it's all about building for you
 
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Foggz said:
and this works as well ! but could also throw a high ohm build in there and cut the wattage/ voltage and still get great flavor... it's all about building for you
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In a big RDA?
The space in there cuts down the flavor concentrations unless you go big coil/big watts.
 
Giraut

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There's nothing wrong with an RTA being more flavorful than an RDA. In this day and age, many tanks are amazing performers, and I can see the appeal of running them just because they taste so damn good - let alone the self-replenishing capability.

What I mean is, in 2017, there doesn't have to be a tradeoff between ease of use and flavor.

Having said that, if you feel your RDAs are letting you down, maybe you need better RDAs. I don't own any of the ones you have, nor do I know anything about them first hand. But I know that the ones I use far outweigh any RTA I own. If you care to know what RDAs I use, let me know: I don't want to be seen plugging the same brands/models over and over again :)
 
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I have a lot of attys (tanks, RDA/RTA/RDTA) and of all of them, the RBA on my Cloud Beast puts out the best flavor. My other attys include Recoil RDA, Twisted Messes Squared, Sleeper RDA, etc.

However, I have yet to put my own Claptons build on my brand-new iJOY RDTA Box (I'm currently using the included triple-coil disposable setup) and have high hopes for flavor on it because of all the reviews I have watched saying so. Maybe it will dethrone the Beast!
 
Foggz

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The Cromwell said:
In a big RDA?
The space in there cuts down the flavor concentrations unless you go big coil/big watts.
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apples and oranges... was replying to the 'I got a couple Aromamizer Plus tanks' not referring to a large RDA .. as I do high and low ohm builds in those particular tanks depending on various factors.

agreed, 'In a big RDA?' ... is a totally different animal
 
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Big mass coils require higher wattage.
Using an exotic coil at 50W would be a waste (it's like buying an exotic car and then only driving it at first gear).

RDAs are better with exotic coils for two reasons, first you are not restricted in airflow and juice flow like in an RTA, second your mouth is closer to the coil which results in better flavor.
 
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nightshard said:
Big mass coils require higher wattage.
Using an exotic coil at 50W would be a waste (it's like buying an exotic car and then only driving it at first gear).

RDAs are better with exotic coils for two reasons, first you are not restricted in airflow and juice flow like in an RTA, second your mouth is closer to the coil which results in better flavor.
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Which is good for those who love big airflow.
My 22mm Goon clone, Velocity minis, etc are used with 1/2 airflow.
All I want.
 
ShowerHead

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The Cromwell said:
I personally just see no need for any RDA over 22mm. One reason is that I do not want to have to upgrade to bigger modz to fit a bigger atty.
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I think I forgot to include I'm not a Klowdz fer Daze type. It's not why I have a 30mm tank at all.
 
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