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arrowcrest

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Hi: I have a question. I tried mixing a year or so ago and quit because all turned out to be dry to my mouth except Kringles Curse Clone. I am starting back up mixing again and want to figure out why that happens. I followed the recipes from here to the letter. I got the same brand of flavors , used ejuice calculator , used syringes to measure and followed PG/VG ratios suggested or 50/50 . So at this time I want them to be right. I understand Flavor may need tweaking for my taste but they shouldn't be dry at the beginning. I drink plenty of liquids and as I said Kringles Curse Clone is fine. I vape in temp control 60 watts 450 degrees and have varied those settings but no help. Sorry this is so long but I thought it would help.
Thank You for any ideas
 

arrowcrest

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Go higher vg

Use fa marshmallow, fa meringue, or inw cactus to add moisture.

Some flavors just vape drier. Fa forest fruit and fuji for example leave a dry mouthfeel.
But wouldn't those change the flavor? Also all recipes leave that dry feeling.
 

BKTOAD

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But wouldn't those change the flavor? Also all recipes leave that dry feeling.

Sure, a bit.

Marshmallow adds a bit of fluffy sweetness and is what I generally use for almost everything.

Meringue is eggy so best with bakery and custards.

Cactus plays well with most fruits, especially berries. Less than 1%. Usually less than 1/2% on this one.

Can you provide examples of recipes you find dry?
 

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Hi: I have a question. I tried mixing a year or so ago and quit because all turned out to be dry to my mouth except Kringles Curse Clone. I am starting back up mixing again and want to figure out why that happens. I followed the recipes from here to the letter. I got the same brand of flavors , used ejuice calculator , used syringes to measure and followed PG/VG ratios suggested or 50/50 . So at this time I want them to be right. I understand Flavor may need tweaking for my taste but they shouldn't be dry at the beginning. I drink plenty of liquids and as I said Kringles Curse Clone is fine. I vape in temp control 60 watts 450 degrees and have varied those settings but no help. Sorry this is so long but I thought it would help.
Thank You for any ideas

Since it sounds like you're not a new vaper we can probably rule out that idea.

What do those recipes you've tried that were drying have in common with each other?
Meaning certain brands and/or certain flavors.
Some brands/flavors seem to be drying to some, whilst others will add some moisture sometimes.

May be hard to compare to the Kringles Curse brands/flavors since it's mostly just peppermint tho.
Adding 1% FA Marshmallow & 1% FA Meringue can help with moisture sometimes, but adds a bit of sweet.
Sweetener might help too.

Or you may need to try some other brands of similar flavors to sub till you find the culprits.
 

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my thought is what are you vaping on?
an rda/rta or something with premade coils?
That. Kinda what I wondered, too.

On the flavors, though, I think we're all a bit different. Kaktus got mentioned, and that's one that leaves my mouth really dry. Same for walnut. I read someone say that coconut dries them out, and I've not experienced that, myself.

Are you sensitive to PG? PG can be drying.
 

MagicJosh

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I have problems with many juices. I used to wheeze and whistle when I would breath from vaping, ever since I started using higher VG and made my own juice I wouldn't get those problems anymore. I use a high VG pre base 6mg's from Nicotine River and never have dry mouth etc.... HIgher your VG and if you want a better throat hit higher your nic not PG.
 

arrowcrest

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Sure, a bit.

Marshmallow adds a bit of fluffy sweetness and is what I generally use for almost everything.

Meringue is eggy so best with bakery and custards.

Cactus plays well with most fruits, especially berries. Less than 1%. Usually less than 1/2% on this one.

Can you provide examples of recipes you find dry?
Really all of them. The 3 I am working on to get started again are 1 Butterscotch 3% FA , Irish Cream 2% FA at 50/50 PG/VG.
2nd Raspberry 10% FA , Sweet Cream 2% at 60 PG ,40VG.
3rd Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 5% TFA , Sweet Strawberry 5% at 40 PG 60VG . All mixes at 1.5 % nicotine (Vapor Tek) and all have 8% bottled water.
As you can see I am keeping everything simple till I get it right.
I am vaping on a IPV 4S in temp control at 55 joules and I have tried temps from 380 to 450 degrees and there was no change in dryness . Oh I use a U well Crown tank with RTA base and I make my own coils. I am not sensitive to PG or VG nor do I have any alergies.
Here is the Kringles Curse Clone mix I use.
Nic 1.5
Water 8%
Candy Cane FW 9%
Peppermint FA 6%
Menthol CAP 3%
Ethyl Maltol TFA 3%
60/40 PG/VG This leaves my mouth normaly moist just as it was before vaping.
I hope this answers the other peoples questions also.
Thank all of you for taking a interest because I am stumped but I really want to mix other flavors.
 

BKTOAD

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The water and EM in your kringles curse are likely adding to a wet feel. Try adding them to your other mixes. (Edit- saw you are adding water already)

10% fa raspberry seems astronomically high. Try like 2-3%
 

Mykreign

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I'm curious, does anyone know if vaping in general can help a dry mouth/throat? Kind of like a humidifier? Assuming your eliquid isn't dry.

Or does it dry it out? I'm leaning towards this since you need to drink a lot water when vaping.


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I've never had anything that specifically helped a dry mouth, but I've had plenty that didn't dry out my mouth. For me, some are worse than others..
 

Mykreign

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I was just wondering because I'm dealing with a dry throat right now. It was raining and cool most of the day but the sun came out and it got hot. So I shut the windows and turned the central air on.

The air conditioning dried out the air and in turn, my throat. So I stopped drinking alcohol and started drinking water and plugged in a humidifier. Lol

Anyways, sorry if I derailed the thread. Thought it was sort of relevant.


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I was just wondering because I'm dealing with a dry throat right now. It was raining and cool most of the day but the sun came out and it got hot. So I shut the windows and turned the central air on.

The air conditioning dried out the air and in turn, my throat. So I stopped drinking alcohol and started drinking water and plugged in a humidifier. Lol

Anyways, sorry if I derailed the thread. Thought it was sort of relevant.


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I thought so, too.
 

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ok
It MIGHT be your wicking. try using a hair less and fluffing it out more

why are you adding water This could be the issue itself. I know it sounds backwards. but the water could be effecting the flavorings and be the reason you are using 10% of FA rasp

Here is what I think you should try. Make yourself up 5ml ish of just 50/50 pg vg no nic no flavor.
5mlish of 50/50 with 1.5% nic
then 5ml each of the same with your 8% water

try all four and see if you notice any difference in your dry mouth issue

You need to eliminate things to figure out where the issue is

could be the nic could be the water could be none of it but this is a good place to start to figure it out
 

arrowcrest

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The water and EM in your kringles curse are likely adding to a wet feel. Try adding them to your other mixes. (Edit- saw you are adding water already)

10% fa raspberry seems astronomically high. Try like 2-3%
That is what I thought to since it FA flavoring but that was what the recipe had. I will try it at 5 or 6% after I find out about this dryness problem . Thank you.
 

arrowcrest

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It MIGHT be your wicking. try using a hair less and fluffing it out more

why are you adding water This could be the issue itself. I know it sounds backwards. but the water could be effecting the flavorings and be the reason you are using 10% of FA rasp

Here is what I think you should try. Make yourself up 5ml ish of just 50/50 pg vg no nic no flavor.
5mlish of 50/50 with 1.5% nic
then 5ml each of the same with your 8% water

try all four and see if you notice any difference in your dry mouth issue

You need to eliminate things to figure out where the issue is

could be the nic could be the water could be none of it but this is a good place to start to figure it out
 

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Candy Cane FW 9%
Peppermint FA 6%
Menthol CAP 3%
Ethyl Maltol TFA 3%
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in my personal opinion ... holy cow!.... 6% FA peppermint menthol at 3 % and EM at 3 %. ? .... I thought kringle's was pretty much just the FW ? and raspberry at 10% ! .... 8% bottled water....
 

arrowcrest

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I am using Japanese cotton and remove the very thin top layer on both sides and fluff it.
I am doing your suggested test now.
5 ml 50/50 no nic or water or flavor and put in fresh cotton , result , no dryness and only a very slight sweet taste that comes from VG.
5 ml 50/50 added 1.5% nic , result , no dryness just the slight sweet from VG and no from nicotine.
5 ml 50/50 , 1.5% nic , 8% water , result , taste the same as above just a little more moist.
So there is where I am at now.
 

arrowcrest

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in my personal opinion ... holy cow!.... 6% FA peppermint menthol at 3 % and EM at 3 %. ? .... I thought kringle's was pretty much just the FW ? and raspberry at 10% ! .... 8% bottled water....
The Kringles Curse clones I have found all have Candy Cane and Peppermint and for the coolness either menthol or Koolada. Even Head in Clouds uses some. Thanks though.
 

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HIC uses 10% FW and optional 1 drop of koolada per 5ml ... just trying to be helpful but hey if you want to smother your peppermint in 3% EM more power to ya :)
 

HondaDavidson

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KEEP water to less than 5%... water raises the required temps for vspirization.... the extra heat could be part of the issue.... fruit flavors tend to be drying. To me. Reduce percentages. .. I try to keep total per cent of flavoring to under 20%... 25% MAX FLAVORing.. VG is wetter than PG so try higher VG ratios.

Try less wattage and less air flow... air and watts both dry the vapor.

Try a rewicking for a wetter wick....

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arrowcrest

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KEEP water to less than 5%... water raises the required temps for vspirization.... the extra heat could be part of the issue.... fruit flavors tend to be drying. To me. Reduce percentages. .. I try to keep total per cent of flavoring to under 20%... 25% MAX FLAVORing.. VG is wetter than PG so try higher VG ratios.

Try less wattage and less air flow... air and watts both dry the vapor.

Try a rewicking for a wetter wick....

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I will try all that you said. In a RTA tank base could you explain how rewick for a wetter one. I keep mine so the cotton isn't tight now. Thank You
 

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KEEP water to less than 5%... water raises the required temps for vspirization.... the extra heat could be part of the issue.... fruit flavors tend to be drying. To me. Reduce percentages. .. I try to keep total per cent of flavoring to under 20%... 25% MAX FLAVORing.. VG is wetter than PG so try higher VG ratios.

Try less wattage and less air flow... air and watts both dry the vapor.

Try a rewicking for a wetter wick....

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Water actually lowers the temperature of vaporization. VG requires a higher temperature to vaporize than PG which requires a higher temperature than water.
 

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