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ScReWbALL

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First off, I just want to preface this by saying that I'm fully aware that not everyone has the time or patience to learn some of the higher end techniques and coil builds. Also, that I understand that there is nothing wrong with buying pre-made coils or having someone else make coils that you enjoy using that you don't know how to make or don't have the time to build.
The vaping community around where I am isn't exactly huge or booming, so, there aren't a ton of people that I get to chat with about vaping, but I do work with a couple of guys that I get to talk shop with, and one of them was wanting to get his feet wet in the area of tube mechs (my go to devices). I had an old X1 copper tube mod along with the copper X1 RDA with it in my graveyard and figured since it comes with both a hybrid connection and floating pin connection and the fact that it's a pretty heavy duty mod, I'd let him have it to use so he can try out different things and see what he likes. I had a set of your average alien coils still in it (triple core 26ga Nichrome 80 with 36ga Nichrome 80 decor) and they were still working well, so, I left them in it...gave him the standard talk about the care and use of the tube mod and all that good stuff and told him that I left some coils in it that he might want to try. Today I go to work and he's talking about how much he has enjoyed the mod and especially the coils, and then my heart sank as he asked "Where did you buy them?" As I mentioned at first, I understand that premade coils are gaining traction and I think it's perfectly fine to buy said coils...but the first thing that I remember ever asking if I liked a Coil was "How did you build these?" rather than "Where did you buy these?" I'm not some sort of elitist that thinks you should only use coils you know how to make and have made yourself, but I do take pride in the fact that I know how to build the coils I like to use well, and enjoy building as a hobby moreso than maybe vaping itself and though my coils aren't necessarily "Coil porn", it's still more of an art to me...and having him jump straight to asking where I bought the coils just makes me wonder if the commercial machine isn't starting to chew its way through the vaping world. Even though it's broadening people's horizons, is it starting to change the way folks think of vaping from people modifying existing equipment and making changes and innovating and doing new things on their own, to just things being mass produced and being spit out of an assembly line of machines?
Again...I have nothing against pre-made coils or the people that use them...just seems like some of the magic is disappearing when people are now assuming that a new Coil they see or use was popped out of a machine and came in a pretty box rather than assuming someone spent the time to build it themselves. Sorry, just had to vent a bit!


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 

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First off, I just want to preface this by saying that I'm fully aware that not everyone has the time or patience to learn some of the higher end techniques and coil builds. Also, that I understand that there is nothing wrong with buying pre-made coils or having someone else make coils that you enjoy using that you don't know how to make or don't have the time to build.
The vaping community around where I am isn't exactly huge or booming, so, there aren't a ton of people that I get to chat with about vaping, but I do work with a couple of guys that I get to talk shop with, and one of them was wanting to get his feet wet in the area of tube mechs (my go to devices). I had an old X1 copper tube mod along with the copper X1 RDA with it in my graveyard and figured since it comes with both a hybrid connection and floating pin connection and the fact that it's a pretty heavy duty mod, I'd let him have it to use so he can try out different things and see what he likes. I had a set of your average alien coils still in it (triple core 26ga Nichrome 80 with 36ga Nichrome 80 decor) and they were still working well, so, I left them in it...gave him the standard talk about the care and use of the tube mod and all that good stuff and told him that I left some coils in it that he might want to try. Today I go to work and he's talking about how much he has enjoyed the mod and especially the coils, and then my heart sank as he asked "Where did you buy them?" As I mentioned at first, I understand that premade coils are gaining traction and I think it's perfectly fine to buy said coils...but the first thing that I remember ever asking if I liked a Coil was "How did you build these?" rather than "Where did you buy these?" I'm not some sort of elitist that thinks you should only use coils you know how to make and have made yourself, but I do take pride in the fact that I know how to build the coils I like to use well, and enjoy building as a hobby moreso than maybe vaping itself and though my coils aren't necessarily "Coil porn", it's still more of an art to me...and having him jump straight to asking where I bought the coils just makes me wonder if the commercial machine isn't starting to chew its way through the vaping world. Even though it's broadening people's horizons, is it starting to change the way folks think of vaping from people modifying existing equipment and making changes and innovating and doing new things on their own, to just things being mass produced and being spit out of an assembly line of machines?
Again...I have nothing against pre-made coils or the people that use them...just seems like some of the magic is disappearing when people are now assuming that a new Coil they see or use was popped out of a machine and came in a pretty box rather than assuming someone spent the time to build it themselves. Sorry, just had to vent a bit!


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!

Eh, lick your wounds kid

I get how you feel - I fancy myself an excellent baker and am almost always asked what mix I used :cuss2: It really burns when there is no way a mix could come close to the quality of what I put a lot of effort into making from scratch.

Yeah, it sucks (hurts?) when someone jumps to conclusions and does not even consider that you put a lot of blood, sweat, tears, experience, patience and time into making an awesome thing, but it is the nature of today's society as a whole, not just vaping

Just for the record, my coils are mediocre and I have no interest in making wire due to the above mentioned dedication required, lol
 
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whiteowl84

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I have something against pre-made coils. They look like hell and they're made from crap wire.
I've yet to see any pre-made coil that isn't one of these or the other but it's usually both.
What's sad us people are happy to pay $5 for a set of coils that look like shit, vape like shit and will probably break in a month but people think I'm crazy for charging $12 to $15 for most builds that are perfect, use small fuse so they vape awesome and they'll last 6 months if you don't get them white hot to clean them.
Those pre-made coils are like Korean cars. People are so accustomed to cheap shitty cars that now US car makers can do the same. Cheap interiors, held together with glue and plastic screws and handling and performance aren't even considered, but hey it's appealing to the eye. People think 0 to 60 in less than 10 seconds is fast and no one even cares about understeer in a FWD car...at least the Europeans still get good cars.
The point is the market is so full of shit that people expect shit, they want shit and they like shit.

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It's been going on a long time...the political class in the West declared war on vaping in the US and Europe, they have controled and regulated and criminalized vaping ...tons of modders who built the industry have been pushed out of bussiness and the industry handed over to the chinese who produce shit and who are it seems incapable of innovations,..the biggest changes I see among vapers in general is a much larger consumption of cheap gear has become to be expected, there is this mass consumption of banal products..whereas in the past high quality gear that would last a lifetime was purchased after much consideration and debate......
 

Cormic

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Don't be to disheartened, some people make shit, some don't. Sure vaping is industrialized and commercialized but it's not a bad thing. The first computer geeks had to solder all there parts together, as did the first audiophiles. The first gear heads needed to be able to weld and in many cases have access to machine tools. The list could go on and on. When you are part of that group of the "first" and it grows into popular culture and/or becomes commercialized it initially feels like it's being ruined. And to some extent it is I imagine, but in the end the benefits will out weigh the pain.

Think of it like this. There was a time when if you wanted an RC anything you would have to build your own radio transmitter and receiver, hand wind your electric motors or machine a gas one, build the body and any linkage yourself. You can still do that,many people do. You can also buy a fleet of mini drones and run your micro attack squadron from your phone.
 

pulsevape

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First off, I just want to preface this by saying that I'm fully aware that not everyone has the time or patience to learn some of the higher end techniques and coil builds. Also, that I understand that there is nothing wrong with buying pre-made coils or having someone else make coils that you enjoy using that you don't know how to make or don't have the time to build.
The vaping community around where I am isn't exactly huge or booming, so, there aren't a ton of people that I get to chat with about vaping, but I do work with a couple of guys that I get to talk shop with, and one of them was wanting to get his feet wet in the area of tube mechs (my go to devices). I had an old X1 copper tube mod along with the copper X1 RDA with it in my graveyard and figured since it comes with both a hybrid connection and floating pin connection and the fact that it's a pretty heavy duty mod, I'd let him have it to use so he can try out different things and see what he likes. I had a set of your average alien coils still in it (triple core 26ga Nichrome 80 with 36ga Nichrome 80 decor) and they were still working well, so, I left them in it...gave him the standard talk about the care and use of the tube mod and all that good stuff and told him that I left some coils in it that he might want to try. Today I go to work and he's talking about how much he has enjoyed the mod and especially the coils, and then my heart sank as he asked "Where did you buy them?" As I mentioned at first, I understand that premade coils are gaining traction and I think it's perfectly fine to buy said coils...but the first thing that I remember ever asking if I liked a Coil was "How did you build these?" rather than "Where did you buy these?" I'm not some sort of elitist that thinks you should only use coils you know how to make and have made yourself, but I do take pride in the fact that I know how to build the coils I like to use well, and enjoy building as a hobby moreso than maybe vaping itself and though my coils aren't necessarily "Coil porn", it's still more of an art to me...and having him jump straight to asking where I bought the coils just makes me wonder if the commercial machine isn't starting to chew its way through the vaping world. Even though it's broadening people's horizons, is it starting to change the way folks think of vaping from people modifying existing equipment and making changes and innovating and doing new things on their own, to just things being mass produced and being spit out of an assembly line of machines?
Again...I have nothing against pre-made coils or the people that use them...just seems like some of the magic is disappearing when people are now assuming that a new Coil they see or use was popped out of a machine and came in a pretty box rather than assuming someone spent the time to build it themselves. Sorry, just had to vent a bit!


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
how many people do you know can build a ss mesh wick worth a damn or even know what a genny is when they see one.....now you know how I feel.
 

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It's been going on a long time...the political class in the West declared war on vaping in the US and Europe, they have controled and regulated and criminalized vaping ...tons of modders who built the industry have been pushed out of bussiness and the industry handed over to the chinese who produce shit and who are it seems incapable of innovations,..the biggest changes I see among vapers in general is a much larger consumption of cheap gear has become to be expected, there is this mass consumption of banal products..whereas in the past high quality gear that would last a lifetime was purchased after much consideration and debate......
What's sad is mechs can be made affordably from quality metal and regulated mods can be made affordably with more than a 3 month lifespan.
Instead we get crap.
A mech that costs $10 to $20 if that to make sells for $200 to $600 while a regulated mod that costs $5 to $20 to make costs $40 to $60 and is no better than the one it replaced but people eat that shit up. Many authentic $60 attys are made in the same Chinese factory that makes or made the clones.
Hell AMD can sell a CPU for $60 that'll last years and years. A mod isn't nearly as costly to make. A raspberry pi sells for around $30 and it's a full computer.
The vape industry sucks.

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ScReWbALL

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Don't be to disheartened, some people make shit, some don't. Sure vaping is industrialized and commercialized but it's not a bad thing. The first computer geeks had to solder all there parts together, as did the first audiophiles. The first gear heads needed to be able to weld and in many cases have access to machine tools. The list could go on and on. When you are part of that group of the "first" and it grows into popular culture and/or becomes commercialized it initially feels like it's being ruined. And to some extent it is I imagine, but in the end the benefits will out weigh the pain.

Think of it like this. There was a time when if you wanted an RC anything you would have to build your own radio transmitter and receiver, hand wind your electric motors or machine a gas one, build the body and any linkage yourself. You can still do that,many people do. You can also buy a fleet of mini drones and run your micro attack squadron from your phone.

Ok...the micro attack squadron controlled from your phone comment cracked me up...thank you kind sir, lol.
Made me think of something I heard at the vape shop a couple of weeks ago...the employee was telling a guy about a new 18650 battery charger that wirelessly links to your smart phone via Bluetooth in order to send you an alert when your battery has been charged. I mean, wow...seriously? Are we getting so lazy that the old tried and true method of craning your neck over to see if the battery is at 4.2 Volts is too much for us?


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 

Cormic

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I empathize with your original feeling. I have had people look at something I made and say shit like "I was going to get one of those but I got a xxxxx instead", or "wouldn't it be easier to just buy an xxxxx". I try not to let it get under my skin to much.
 

pulsevape

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Don't be to disheartened, some people make shit, some don't. Sure vaping is industrialized and commercialized but it's not a bad thing. The first computer geeks had to solder all there parts together, as did the first audiophiles. The first gear heads needed to be able to weld and in many cases have access to machine tools. The list could go on and on. When you are part of that group of the "first" and it grows into popular culture and/or becomes commercialized it initially feels like it's being ruined. And to some extent it is I imagine, but in the end the benefits will out weigh the pain.

Think of it like this. There was a time when if you wanted an RC anything you would have to build your own radio transmitter and receiver, hand wind your electric motors or machine a gas one, build the body and any linkage yourself. You can still do that,many people do. You can also buy a fleet of mini drones and run your micro attack squadron from your phone.
yeah sure right...there was a time when people grew food on good healthy soil producing healthy organic food that ensured a healthy population ...but now we have the blessing of industrialized farming where the soil is poisoned and killed with chemical witches brews rendering it sterile, and GMO shit has turned us into lab rats for a bunch of greedy insane mad scientists...yep better living through industialization alright.We have comes to replace our values as a society with consumption as the only altar we pray at....the guy with the most toys wins....and that my friend is not progress.
 
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pulsevape

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What's sad is mechs can be made affordably from quality metal and regulated mods can be made affordably with more than a 3 month lifespan.
Instead we get crap.
A mech that costs $10 to $20 if that to make sells for $200 to $600 while a regulated mod that costs $5 to $20 to make costs $40 to $60 and is no better than the one it replaced but people eat that shit up. Many authentic $60 attys are made in the same Chinese factory that makes or made the clones.
Hell AMD can sell a CPU for $60 that'll last years and years. A mod isn't nearly as costly to make. A raspberry pi sells for around $30 and it's a full computer.
The vape industry sucks.

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it's not a matter of price it's a matter of consumption...look at Walmart.......vaping is in it's Walmart phase.people don't care if it's shit...it's shiny new shit is all that matters......
 

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Yeah you're right. People are shit.

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ScReWbALL

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What's sad is mechs can be made affordably from quality metal and regulated mods can be made affordably with more than a 3 month lifespan.
Instead we get crap.
A mech that costs $10 to $20 if that to make sells for $200 to $600 while a regulated mod that costs $5 to $20 to make costs $40 to $60 and is no better than the one it replaced but people eat that shit up. Many authentic $60 attys are made in the same Chinese factory that makes or made the clones.
Hell AMD can sell a CPU for $60 that'll last years and years. A mod isn't nearly as costly to make. A raspberry pi sells for around $30 and it's a full computer.
The vape industry sucks.

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Excellent point made. When I first started vaping, I never dreamed of buying a clone just on the simple basis of "if it's that cheap, something has to be wrong with it" along with hearing from shop owners that authentic were incredibly superior...and there was more than likely some truth to those thoughts, but nowadays I hear more shop owners using the "Patriotic" line about how you should buy authentic because you shouldn't let China make money over whatever country built what they're selling. Seems like after the "Clone Wars" and the dust settled, that the companies that make quality clones have standardized and take point about making quality as well as quantity. Now, I have no problem buying clones and justifying it with the fact that I can easily buy 10 clones and find at least one out of the 10 that works well without having paid as much as what 1 authentic would cost


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 

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Don't feel bad about buying Chinese clones, the authentic ones are made in China too.
I think it's unpatriotic to charge $60 for a Chinese mass produced atty that costs less than $1 to make (in bulk).
The Goon LP is a great example. The clones and authentics dropped at the same time or the clones came out first and the only difference was the logo in the juice well. How? 528 changed factories and tweaked the design mid run and the first factory sold what they'd made.
Unless your atty or mod says "Made in USA" it was made in China even if it cost $60 or more.
You do have to be careful when picking one though because there's usually 10 different clones and one that's 1 to 1 and uses PEEK.


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mach1ne

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i have noticed a bit of disparity between builders and non-builders too. sometimes youll see discussions on coils where non-builders will be the majority, and so the conversation goes (imo) sideways because the majority of people are using shitty coils and have little/no experience in what they are trying to talk about (coil performance, wire quality, any specific details on why/how etc). if you try to say anything or clear things up, you will get shouted down by people who technically cant even have an opinion on the topic because they have never made (or even vaped on) what you are talking about (but they can still tell you all about it). i saw a guy once say that the wire was bad/poisonous if it turned colors when you warmed it up (have a look through the 'post your builds' thread to see a bunch of us vaping poisonous blue and purple coils because we dont know any better after all these years of building)...i saw a tutorial where a guy calls a regular round wire coil a staple coil over and over for some reason...and im sure someone out there who saw that stuff is repeating it to someone else as facts...:gaah:

even in the shops around here people will try to 'teach' me about coils or even lie to me about coils in an attempt to sound smart, but they dont know enough to even properly lie about it without sounding like a little kid making up stories. a guy behind the counter at one shop tried to tell me he made his own aliens, but he was using that demon killer 'alien' wire thats just a big fat piece of ribbon wire with 32g clapton wraps. he didnt even know they werent aliens, and then tried to tell me all about how they were really hard to make, and were the best vape hes ever had...then he 'pshawed' at my stitched alien framed staples like it was a noob build he was already 'over'...and this guy is working in a shop, teaching noobs how to get started...

another shop guy in town told me that geekvape clapton wire was as good as anything i could make myself, and tried to 'scare' me out of trying to build my own coils with a lengthy diatribe. he was wrong or misinformed on just about everything he said about building and coils in general. i didnt even show him my build, or even try to talk at all. i just paid and left. same guy told me that mech mods should be banned because they are dangerous, but he couldnt tell me why...just that people are too stupid for them. he didnt even know the dangers, he just knew they should be banned. same guy also bragged to me once about winning a cloud comp with a .08 build on a tube...:headbang:
 

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I don't go to shops for that reason. It's where the dumb go to be wrong at each other and pay 2x msrp on a Chinese mod...in my area anyway.

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First off, I just want to preface this by saying that I'm fully aware that not everyone has the time or patience to learn some of the higher end techniques and coil builds. Also, that I understand that there is nothing wrong with buying pre-made coils or having someone else make coils that you enjoy using that you don't know how to make or don't have the time to build.
The vaping community around where I am isn't exactly huge or booming, so, there aren't a ton of people that I get to chat with about vaping, but I do work with a couple of guys that I get to talk shop with, and one of them was wanting to get his feet wet in the area of tube mechs (my go to devices). I had an old X1 copper tube mod along with the copper X1 RDA with it in my graveyard and figured since it comes with both a hybrid connection and floating pin connection and the fact that it's a pretty heavy duty mod, I'd let him have it to use so he can try out different things and see what he likes. I had a set of your average alien coils still in it (triple core 26ga Nichrome 80 with 36ga Nichrome 80 decor) and they were still working well, so, I left them in it...gave him the standard talk about the care and use of the tube mod and all that good stuff and told him that I left some coils in it that he might want to try. Today I go to work and he's talking about how much he has enjoyed the mod and especially the coils, and then my heart sank as he asked "Where did you buy them?" As I mentioned at first, I understand that premade coils are gaining traction and I think it's perfectly fine to buy said coils...but the first thing that I remember ever asking if I liked a Coil was "How did you build these?" rather than "Where did you buy these?" I'm not some sort of elitist that thinks you should only use coils you know how to make and have made yourself, but I do take pride in the fact that I know how to build the coils I like to use well, and enjoy building as a hobby moreso than maybe vaping itself and though my coils aren't necessarily "Coil porn", it's still more of an art to me...and having him jump straight to asking where I bought the coils just makes me wonder if the commercial machine isn't starting to chew its way through the vaping world. Even though it's broadening people's horizons, is it starting to change the way folks think of vaping from people modifying existing equipment and making changes and innovating and doing new things on their own, to just things being mass produced and being spit out of an assembly line of machines?
Again...I have nothing against pre-made coils or the people that use them...just seems like some of the magic is disappearing when people are now assuming that a new Coil they see or use was popped out of a machine and came in a pretty box rather than assuming someone spent the time to build it themselves. Sorry, just had to vent a bit!


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!

I tend to look at these kind of comments from the other perspective...

This guy thought your coils were that good, he believed they were a commercial coil (yeah I'm sure we all see the irony in that)... It's quite a common misconception in any other area...

"That cake was delicious where did you buy it? What do you mean you made it yourself?"
"Your computer runs those games at amazing framerates, where did you buy it? What do you mean you built it yourself?"

Some people just don't comprehend that it's possible to make better items than you can just buy...

So I take those comments, in the innocence they are intended, as a huge compliment!!!
 

champton

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i have noticed a bit of disparity between builders and non-builders too. sometimes youll see discussions on coils where non-builders will be the majority, and so the conversation goes (imo) sideways because the majority of people are using shitty coils and have little/no experience in what they are trying to talk about (coil performance, wire quality, any specific details on why/how etc). if you try to say anything or clear things up, you will get shouted down by people who technically cant even have an opinion on the topic because they have never made (or even vaped on) what you are talking about (but they can still tell you all about it). i saw a guy once say that the wire was bad/poisonous if it turned colors when you warmed it up (have a look through the 'post your builds' thread to see a bunch of us vaping poisonous blue and purple coils because we dont know any better after all these years of building)...i saw a tutorial where a guy calls a regular round wire coil a staple coil over and over for some reason...and im sure someone out there who saw that stuff is repeating it to someone else as facts...:gaah:

even in the shops around here people will try to 'teach' me about coils or even lie to me about coils in an attempt to sound smart, but they dont know enough to even properly lie about it without sounding like a little kid making up stories. a guy behind the counter at one shop tried to tell me he made his own aliens, but he was using that demon killer 'alien' wire thats just a big fat piece of ribbon wire with 32g clapton wraps. he didnt even know they werent aliens, and then tried to tell me all about how they were really hard to make, and were the best vape hes ever had...then he 'pshawed' at my stitched alien framed staples like it was a noob build he was already 'over'...and this guy is working in a shop, teaching noobs how to get started...

another shop guy in town told me that geekvape clapton wire was as good as anything i could make myself, and tried to 'scare' me out of trying to build my own coils with a lengthy diatribe. he was wrong or misinformed on just about everything he said about building and coils in general. i didnt even show him my build, or even try to talk at all. i just paid and left. same guy told me that mech mods should be banned because they are dangerous, but he couldnt tell me why...just that people are too stupid for them. he didnt even know the dangers, he just knew they should be banned. same guy also bragged to me once about winning a cloud comp with a .08 build on a tube...:headbang:

I've had people try to tell me how vaping is dangerous because they explode. I just tell them "Sure they do. It helps if you're stupid." :D

I don't go to shops for that reason. It's where the dumb go to be wrong at each other and pay 2x msrp on a Chinese mod...in my area anyway.

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You remind me of George Carlin. Funny guy that pretty much states the truth about things. Come to St. Louis someday. You get idiots in vape shops that don't know shit. You can pretty much tell that they're only in the gig for the paycheck. :gaah:
 
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ScReWbALL

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Seems like my point may not be coming across as clear as it should be, lol. I wasn't trying to talk about how pre-made coils are crappy or how people are ok with the premades because they don't know any better or are dumb. It was more along the lines of the mindset of this co-worker and an observation on how things have shifted in the industry. I was just shocked that the first thing to pop in his mind was that they were premade coils rather than something I made because when I was starting off and learning, there weren't any premade coils out there...so, if you were rocking an rda, I meant that you built the coils...so, if you showed someone your build, the idea that you (or someone you know) didn't build it was not even a thought that crossed the mind because it was the only option. But then premades started to hit the market and have slowly but surely picked up a following, whether they are crappy or not, and now a question that used to not exist because it was an absurd idea ("Where did you buy these coils?") seems to be more commonplace than the assumption that they were handmade by the person using them. We went from a world where premades didn't exist, so, the assumption was always that you built what you used, to there being a small market of premades, but for the most part people still assumed you made your own, but weren't in total shock to find they were premade, to now it would appear that the assumption that when someone shows you their build, that the first thing to come to mind is that they are premade. Just noticed the shift and shaking my head that the status quo has moved from one end of the spectrum to the other like it has.


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
 

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yeah sure right...there was a time when people grew food on good healthy soil producing healthy organic food that ensured a healthy population ...but now we have the blessing of industrialized farming where the soil is poisoned and killed with chemical witches brews rendering it sterile, and GMO shit has turned us into lab rats for a bunch of greedy insane mad scientists...yep better living through industialization alright.We have comes to replace our values as a society with consumption as the only altar we pray at....the guy with the most toys wins....and that my friend is not progress.
Totally agree with that statement. It's the quantity of your character rather than the quality that means anything nowadays. Make those statement to the goyim though and you're battered down with "conspiracy theorist" shouts from unthinking dopes.
When did using your own grey matter become a problem for people? When did formulating a personal opinion become so unpatriotic or so offensive to the mainstream?

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First off, I just want to preface this by saying that I'm fully aware that not everyone has the time or patience to learn some of the higher end techniques and coil builds. Also, that I understand that there is nothing wrong with buying pre-made coils or having someone else make coils that you enjoy using that you don't know how to make or don't have the time to build.
The vaping community around where I am isn't exactly huge or booming, so, there aren't a ton of people that I get to chat with about vaping, but I do work with a couple of guys that I get to talk shop with, and one of them was wanting to get his feet wet in the area of tube mechs (my go to devices). I had an old X1 copper tube mod along with the copper X1 RDA with it in my graveyard and figured since it comes with both a hybrid connection and floating pin connection and the fact that it's a pretty heavy duty mod, I'd let him have it to use so he can try out different things and see what he likes. I had a set of your average alien coils still in it (triple core 26ga Nichrome 80 with 36ga Nichrome 80 decor) and they were still working well, so, I left them in it...gave him the standard talk about the care and use of the tube mod and all that good stuff and told him that I left some coils in it that he might want to try. Today I go to work and he's talking about how much he has enjoyed the mod and especially the coils, and then my heart sank as he asked "Where did you buy them?" As I mentioned at first, I understand that premade coils are gaining traction and I think it's perfectly fine to buy said coils...but the first thing that I remember ever asking if I liked a Coil was "How did you build these?" rather than "Where did you buy these?" I'm not some sort of elitist that thinks you should only use coils you know how to make and have made yourself, but I do take pride in the fact that I know how to build the coils I like to use well, and enjoy building as a hobby moreso than maybe vaping itself and though my coils aren't necessarily "Coil porn", it's still more of an art to me...and having him jump straight to asking where I bought the coils just makes me wonder if the commercial machine isn't starting to chew its way through the vaping world. Even though it's broadening people's horizons, is it starting to change the way folks think of vaping from people modifying existing equipment and making changes and innovating and doing new things on their own, to just things being mass produced and being spit out of an assembly line of machines?
Again...I have nothing against pre-made coils or the people that use them...just seems like some of the magic is disappearing when people are now assuming that a new Coil they see or use was popped out of a machine and came in a pretty box rather than assuming someone spent the time to build it themselves. Sorry, just had to vent a bit!


You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!
The majority of humans (Americans anyway) are lazy and assume everyone else is too.
After all they could not be wrong could they? But that is another common issue with Humans.
 

bobnat

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Where I live vaping is just getting going. It's interesting to see people's reactions when I tell them I make my own juice and coils. It's usually a sense of disbelief, or doubt that it could be done. However, there are others like us out there and it's our duty to encourage and help them.

About 6 months ago I was over at the HR office dealing with the housing officer, a guy from Syria. I had my vape with me and he was curious and said he wanted to try it. I explained a lot that day, but over the next two days I wrote up a ten page paper for him explaining how to DIY, where to source the materials and how to get them into the country. Long story short, both him and his wife have quit cigs for 4 months now and they DIY.

Just last week I took my Jeep to the dealership (still under warranty) and the service agent, from Lebanon, had a Pico. He had started 2 months ago and got off the cigs. We got talking about juice, how shitty and expensive so much of it is. I explained DIY to him and he was amazed how cheap it is. So I sent him the document I had written. I hope he does it.

No one can help everyone, but we can definitely help some.

All hope is not lost, lol.
 

KarmicRage

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Member For 2 Years
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Good on ya la. One by one cigarettes shall be destroyed lol.

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pulsevape

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Member For 4 Years
Where I live vaping is just getting going. It's interesting to see people's reactions when I tell them I make my own juice and coils. It's usually a sense of disbelief, or doubt that it could be done. However, there are others like us out there and it's our duty to encourage and help them.

About 6 months ago I was over at the HR office dealing with the housing officer, a guy from Syria. I had my vape with me and he was curious and said he wanted to try it. I explained a lot that day, but over the next two days I wrote up a ten page paper for him explaining how to DIY, where to source the materials and how to get them into the country. Long story short, both him and his wife have quit cigs for 4 months now and they DIY.

Just last week I took my Jeep to the dealership (still under warranty) and the service agent, from Lebanon, had a Pico. He had started 2 months ago and got off the cigs. We got talking about juice, how shitty and expensive so much of it is. I explained DIY to him and he was amazed how cheap it is. So I sent him the document I had written. I hope he does it.

No one can help everyone, but we can definitely help some.

All hope is not lost, lol.
where do you live?
 

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