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champton

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Had my friend show me how to wrap claptons better. He told me it was quite a bit harder to freehand on smaller gauge wire because I need to hold the wire tighter than with 26 or 24 gauge. I tried his swivels, and they gave me damn near perfect claptons. This is using 28g Kanthal with a 32g NiChrome wrap. The taste is a bit muted compared to my standard SS wraps, but I'm not complaining, as I got a couple free rolls of wire out of the deal, plus I got to compare NiChrome wraps to SS. :D

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He's right about freehanding like. I personally couldnt' wrap a fused Clapton without swivels. Theuve end up like twisted claptons almost immediately. Tidy work btw la, onwards and upwards :)

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Had my friend show me how to wrap claptons better. He told me it was quite a bit harder to freehand on smaller gauge wire because I need to hold the wire tighter than with 26 or 24 gauge. I tried his swivels, and they gave me damn near perfect claptons. This is using 28g Kanthal with a 32g NiChrome wrap. The taste is a bit muted compared to my standard SS wraps, but I'm not complaining, as I got a couple free rolls of wire out of the deal, plus I got to compare NiChrome wraps to SS. :D

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Is this twisted on purpose? If not, make sure that you use multiple BALL BEARING swivels. You will always get a slight twist that you could fix with pliers.




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champton

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Problem is I don't have a 2nd pair of pliers to straighten out the twists, so I kinda have to grin and bear it. I do the best I can with my drill, but there's always a few slight twists, especially at the end where I clamp down with my pliers.
 

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The further up the gauges you go the easier it gets to straighten any twists out by hand. Also you should try using a few swivels in series with barely any tension on the drill. I've noticed some sub par swivels seem to lock up the more tension there is pulling on them.

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champton

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What do you mean by "in series?" Just 2 swivels side by side facing opposite directions like a series circuit? Because I had 2 connected to each other.
 
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KarmicRage

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Series just means end to end, sorry to confuse. Side by side would be parallel. Think I may have just come up with something that's useful for stopping multi core wires from packing together and keeping them nice and flat. @Eggen I believe you were interested in this

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Series just means end to end, sorry to confuse. Side by side would be parallel. Think I may have just come up with something that's useful for stopping multi core wires from packing together and keeping them nice and flat. @Eggen I believe you were interested in this

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Please do tell.
 

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I punched a hole in the flat side of a few 19mm bull clips and applied insulation tape to one side. I'll be setting my station up later to have a test, it's 4am here lol should do the trick like. Hole's a little rough so I'll file it out a bit as well before I use it. It does grip several pieces of wire well though
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I punched a hole in the flat side of a few 19mm bull clips and applied insulation tape to one side. I'll be setting my station up later to have a test, it's 4am here lol should do the trick like. Hole's a little rough so I'll file it out a bit as well before I use it. It does grip several pieces of wire well though
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I guess everybody goes through this stage of building. Lol. In the begining i thought that would be helpful too. Drilled out a few lined them with rubber and some with cork. Used them twice then threw away and learned the right way to set up my cores.
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KarmicRage

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I'm not alone in this venture then haha makes me happier about trying it out at least :)

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One thing that can be said though is great minds think alike. I should probably just read the 500 and odd pages in this thread before I open my mouth again :/

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Dustyjeans

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I'm not alone in this venture then haha makes me happier about trying it out at least :)

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Yeah its not necessary and all the off balanced weight throws it all off.but back then i thought i was a great idea!

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3x26/38 SS316L. Tried with the deadalus and totally bombed it... Tried with just swivels and holding the spool myself and wound up with this. Only got 2 pretty coils out of it but it was def easier by hand with the triple core than messing with the damn deadalus.

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Having a hell of a time learning to paraclap. Have experimented with different methods. Seems the parallel wrap wires always either cross over eachother or one claptons to the core and the other claptons on top of it. Or it seems to go well for a bit, then one wrap keeps following towards the swivels and the other splits off backwards toward the drill. Spent several sessions, including a 2 plus hour one last night, in hopes of getting it right. With next to no success.

I have settled on this setup for my wrap wires
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And it keeps the least amount of resistance/tension on my wrap wires that I have tried. Practically zero resistance/tension. Feeds out effortlessly.

I have tried claptoning through my fingers close to the cores, touching the cores, and farther from the cores. As well as using clothespins and even a micro small keyring in hopes of keeping the wraps in order. Seems when I use my fingers it somehow lets the wraps turn over themselves somewhere along the way. Have tried more tension and less tension on the wrap wire, both with different undesired results.

There has got to be a better way. Or something I am missing.
 

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Having a hell of a time learning to paraclap. Have experimented with different methods. Seems the parallel wrap wires always either cross over eachother or one claptons to the core and the other claptons on top of it. Or it seems to go well for a bit, then one wrap keeps following towards the swivels and the other splits off backwards toward the drill. Spent several sessions, including a 2 plus hour one last night, in hopes of getting it right. With next to no success.

I have settled on this setup for my wrap wires
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And it keeps the least amount of resistance/tension on my wrap wires that I have tried. Practically zero resistance/tension. Feeds out effortlessly.

I have tried claptoning through my fingers close to the cores, touching the cores, and farther from the cores. As well as using clothespins and even a micro small keyring in hopes of keeping the wraps in order. Seems when I use my fingers it somehow lets the wraps turn over themselves somewhere along the way. Have tried more tension and less tension on the wrap wire, both with different undesired results.

There has got to be a better way. Or something I am missing.
You want to pinch the wires by the core and then slide them down about 8 inches away....then you just hold it slightly forward then 90 degrees and it shouldnt backtrack. Your swivel placement can be a contributing factor or how much tension your are using.
If the wrapping is doubling up then your not using enough tension, if its back tracking and go towards the drill then your not giving it enough forward angle.
 

BKTOAD

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You want to pinch the wires by the core and then slide them down about 8 inches away....then you just hold it slightly forward then 90 degrees and it shouldnt backtrack. Your swivel placement can be a contributing factor or how much tension your are using.
If the wrapping is doubling up then your not using enough tension, if its back tracking and go towards the drill then your not giving it enough forward angle.

What exactly do you mean by "swivel placement"? I have a swvl at the height of my drill chuck and a couple bearing swivels attached to that.

And by "slide them down 8 inches", do you mean pinch the wraps and slide my fingers back 8" from the cores? And do you pinch the hell out of the cores? Or need to find the "just right" pinch?

It seems that I have tried to lead it a bit, and the parallel wraps would be tight to eachother with a a gap between each wrap. Will give it a go again.

Thanks Raymo.
 

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What exactly do you mean by "swivel placement"? I have a swvl at the height of my drill chuck and a couple bearing swivels attached to that.

And by "slide them down 8 inches", do you mean pinch the wraps and slide my fingers back 8" from the cores? And do you pinch the hell out of the cores? Or need to find the "just right" pinch?

It seems that I have tried to lead it a bit, and the parallel wraps would be tight to eachother with a a gap between each wrap. Will give it a go again.

Thanks Raymo.
Placement, it may be aligned with your drill but some swivels like the 3d printed versions benefit from being slightly higher then the drill. Personally I like my swivels to be a half inch higher then my chuck because when you add tension to the wire it actually levels out.

You need to find the right tension when pinching like with alien decore...also I meant exactly what you said by sliding your fingers down from the core. You want the 2 strands of wire to be perfectly side by side when clapping, then you remove a strand and thats where the gap comes from.
 

BKTOAD

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Placement, it may be aligned with your drill but some swivels like the 3d printed versions benefit from being slightly higher then the drill. Personally I like my swivels to be a half inch higher then my chuck because when you add tension to the wire it actually levels out.

You need to find the right tension when pinching like with alien decore...also I meant exactly what you said by sliding your fingers down from the core. You want the 2 strands of wire to be perfectly side by side when clapping, then you remove a strand and thats where the gap comes from.

Perfect thanks! Took your advice and got a nicely spaced single round wire. Will try to bring my swvl up a bit and see if it makes things easier.

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TooCruel

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
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2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
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3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).
 

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
8jpg_qhenneh.jpg

2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
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3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).
Awesome coils! I wish I could build that well. Good job!
 

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
8jpg_qhenneh.jpg

2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
17jpg_qhennex.jpg

3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).

O shit, welcome to the forum!

Dont be fooled by his modesty guys...hes no amateur :p:D

Loved that DNA Helix Braid you did!
 
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KarmicRage

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
8jpg_qhenneh.jpg

2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
17jpg_qhennex.jpg

3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).
If you're an amateur I may as well give up now haha. Lovely looking coils la

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
8jpg_qhenneh.jpg

2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
17jpg_qhennex.jpg

3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).

Those braids are bloody awesome great job!

Cracking work especially that last pic mind boggling!
 

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Here's my second attempt at making something. Don't laugh, it's only my second attempt. Took two strands of pre built staple wire and twisted them in my drill, then two more twisted the opposite direction. Then wrapped them parallel with each other around a 3mm drill bit. It's coming in at .09 ohms. Really quite a pleasant, cool, flavorful vape, even at 90 W.
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TooCruel

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O shit, welcome to the forum!
Loved that DNA Helix Braid you did!
Which one?
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I love the empty version... because is very universal. The core version is only for direct dripping(and I do not like this method of vaping because it quickly consumes liquid) ;/ But it's really hard to polish them (although I've tried a lot of times ;/ ). Triple Helix was fun to me because I got hundreds of messages on the IG that I mistook the description and this coil not have 0.8Ohm, only 0.08Ohm... But anyone who has played with these kind of braid knows... we cancalmly reach 2-4Ohm, so 0,8 and so is quite a low result (it is mainly the core resistance, 0,1-0,2 it is impossible to achieve).
 

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Which one?
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I love the empty version... because is very universal. The core version is only for direct dripping(and I do not like this method of vaping because it quickly consumes liquid) ;/ But it's really hard to polish them (although I've tried a lot of times ;/ ). Triple Helix was fun to me because I got hundreds of messages on the IG that I mistook the description and this coil not have 0.8Ohm, only 0.08Ohm... But anyone who has played with these kind of braid knows... we cancalmly reach 2-4Ohm, so 0,8 and so is quite a low result (it is mainly the core resistance, 0,1-0,2 it is impossible to achieve).

Both are incredible but the first one is the one I saw previously. I cant braid worth a damn...but can do just about anything else and I sit in awe over those 2 pictures...

I rarely vape any of the coils I post, Im pretty picky on the quality of flavor and heat and only a few types of coils give me what I like....I post and build because I love doing it and I try to challenge myself and do things differently every time.
 

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Here's my second attempt at making something. Don't laugh, it's only my second attempt. Took two strands of pre built staple wire and twisted them in my drill, then two more twisted the opposite direction. Then wrapped them parallel with each other around a 3mm drill bit. It's coming in at .09 ohms. Really quite a pleasant, cool, flavorful vape, even at 90 W.
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Great job matey
 

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In the interests of swivel setup and acceptable tension I set these swivels up and achieved probably my best looking aliens to date. That 2nd swivel pulls out with some resistance. If that's being pulled out I have too much tension in the drill or the spool hand. Worked for me, hope it works for some more aspiring builders.
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Thank you. She's a thirsty one tho. Just drinking the juice up and draining the batteries. Might not rock this for too long ha ha.

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Yeah twisted coils take a lot of juice to get them going especially with thicker gauges
 

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Shit camera since I broke the other phone but I hope it can be seen clearly enough.
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Cracking set of aliens there mate hows it vape for you?
 

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Lovely vape coming off it. Flavourful and thick, not too warm. Next thing I'm gonna be working on is staggered aliens I think cause I like the look of the alien staggerton raymo posted a little while back. Thought I'd seen most coils available til I started digging round on here. Made me realise I've gotta pick my game up a fair bit lol

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Second try at claptons :) any techniques or coil suggestions for my next?
Also, HA page 316, claptons are SS 316L .524 ohm :) seems nice! Just started making my own juices so it's hard to tell :p
 

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Dustyjeans

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I really like this topic because I see a lot of pro coil builders here :) Unfortunately I am just an amateur / hobbist / newbie coil builder.

Maybe some of my heaters to say Hello! (3 random triptychs)...
1. 7-Loops Reversible Celtic Braid additionally flattened and polished (mirror on the inner and outer layer)... Final resistance: 0,247Ohm(dual)... Flat like a sheet of paper: 7 x 2 x 0,16mm Kanthal D...
8jpg_qhenneh.jpg

2. Final resistance: 0,478Ohm... Stitched Mohawk: 2 x 0,25mm + 2 x 0,09mm... 4 sided Mohawk (X-Wing Alien): 2 x 0,25mm + (2+1) x 0,09mm... Kanthal D...
17jpg_qhennex.jpg

3. Miniature variation of SFC... Final resistance: 0,412Ohm (single)... Core 1 Micro Stitched Alien: 0,2mm + 2 x 0,08mm... Core 2 5-Loops Micro Braids x2: 5 x 2 x 0,1mm... Mid core: 2 x 0,3mm... Sides: 0,25mm... Wrapps: 0,08mm... Kanthal D...
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Sorry for metric scale, but I have designed heaters in this scale, heatflux etc counts based on mm units and I think also in SI(International System of Units, AWG makes it difficult for me).
Simply amazing work. So unique and creative. Amatuer hobbyist eh? That made me chuckle.

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Dustyjeans

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Second try at claptons :) any techniques or coil suggestions for my next?
Also, HA page 316, claptons are SS 316L .524 ohm :) seems nice! Just started making my own juices so it's hard to tell :p
Clapton wrap looks very even but very large. Youll probably be happier with the vape if you use finer wrap wire. Like 36g. Pretty common for folks to be intimidated with finer wire at 1st but its not hard to learn. Far and away the most common suggestion we make to new builders.

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Clapton wrap looks very even but very large. Youll probably be happier with the vape if you use finer wrap wire. Like 36g. Pretty common for folks to be intimidated with finer wire at 1st but its not hard to learn. Far and away the most common suggestion we make to new builders.

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Thanks! Was just I wanted to make it with ss and only had 27g :p ill get some more wire ordered and try out a fused with 36g :)
 
https://www.kbeevapes.com/
https://store.coilsociety.com/
https://pureatomist.com/
These suppliers have good prices and quality wire.
Are you set up with good ball bearing swivels?

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Cool thanks, I'll take a look tomorrow, I was looking at the 'wire mesh company'?
And I've got some good ones ordered, just using cheap ones for now :)
Pretty damn tired, just had my first tattoo, vape related, took 3 hours... will post pictures in a couple of days here and on the main forum :)
 
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champton

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Trying to work on aliens now. Anyone have any tips on decoring? I can't seem to do it without seriously screwing the claptons.
 

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Trying to work on aliens now. Anyone have any tips on decoring? I can't seem to do it without seriously screwing the claptons.
Unfortunately perfect clapton is a must for aliens. I hold the spool of wrap wire very lightly and go wide open. If you have to stop and reposition do it in the middle of the 14" length. When you get to the end clip the wrap wire, then gently hold with a pair of nylon plyers (loose enough so the core can spin), reverse the drill and let it spin for a couple seconds to loosen up the decore, clip off at the drill and your decore should nearly fall off the core. Re chuck core wire in drill and repeat. Youll get it! After lots of practise it now takes me about 3min

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Unfortunately perfect clapton is a must for aliens. I hold the spool of wrap wire very lightly and go wide open. If you have to stop and reposition do it in the middle of the 14" length. When you get to the end clip the wrap wire, then gently hold with a pair of nylon plyers (loose enough so the core can spin), reverse the drill and let it spin for a couple seconds to loosen up the decore, clip off at the drill and your decore should nearly fall off the core. Re chuck core wire in drill and repeat. Youll get it! After lots of practise it now takes me about 3min

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These are 26/36 decores. Gotta get the claptoning nice and tight or your just gonna beat your head against the wall when you move on to next step.

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champton

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I can get really good claptons by using my swivel setup. That's not a problem for me anymore. The problem is getting the core wires to move about freely. I'll have to try again later though, I'm out of SS wire and have some on backorder. Decided to get some 26g Ni200 while I was at it as well.
 

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