Is the Vape Industry Scamming it’s Customers?

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

5150sick said:
You could maybe try using wattage mode for now?
You never know they may like wattage mode better.

Some subohm tanks have an extra set of gaskets in the box but it's underneath everything so you may need to pull all the foam / plastic stuff out of the inside of the box to find them.

Took me a full six months to figure that out when I used to use Uwell Crown tanks.

I could try wattage mode but I don’t like paying for a defective mod, regardless. I ordered TC, it should operate in that mode.

The point I was making with the gaskets is you cannot buy them separately after you’ve used the replacements, forcing you to trash that otherwise perfectly good tank and buy another.

Sure, I’ve only been vaping for a little over 2 months but it took me half that time to see the scams associated with it. Vaping absolutely is better than smoking healthwise, but some of the vape companies are no better than big tobacco.

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
SMOKTech TFV12 Series V12-T12 Duodenary Coil Head Features

Massive Clouds

Organic Cotton

Kanthal Heating Element

Resistance: 0.12 ohm

Recommended Wattage: 60 - 350W / Best 130 - 200W

Sold as Single Units or Pack of 3

If that were the case, would I be vaping in TC mode on my Triade's?

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
If that were the case, would I be vaping in TC mode on my Triade's?

You're not in TC mode on the triade, if you're using kanthal. It's kicking you out and still vaping.

BAM crew

Giraut · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
Watch a review or two to learn the basics

But no more than the basics.

Notice how all the Youtube reviewers carefully avoid running any mod in TC mode? "Not my style of vaping so I won't try it" they say. Some reviewers...

In fact, they never try TC because it only works reliably in the following conditions:

1/ Ni200 coils, on any decent mod (i.e. not Wismec, Eleaf or Joyetech) - TC almost always works well with Ni200, but since some uninformed idiot started spreading FUD about the material that equally uninformed vapers believed, nobody uses it anymore, sadly...

2/ SS or Ti only on very good mods (equiped with quality electronics, such as a DNA board).

Trying TC would then usually result in their Chinese masters' products getting a bad review. So the reviewers plain don't do it.

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
You're not in TC mode on the triade, if you're using kanthal. It's kicking you out and still vaping.

BAM crew

I appreciate your help but I know what I see. It's plainly the temp and, I can adjust it separately from the wattage.

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

Giraut said:
But no more than the basics.

Notice how all the Youtube reviewers carefully avoid running any mod in TC mode? "Not my style of vaping so I won't try it" they say. Some reviewers...

In fact, they never try TC because it only works reliably in the following conditions:

1/ Ni200 coils, on any decent mod (i.e. not Wismec, Eleaf or Joyetech) - TC almost always works well with Ni200, but since some uninformed idiot started spreading FUD about the material that equally uninformed vapers believed, nobody uses it anymore, sadly...

2/ SS or Ti only on very good mods (equiped with quality electronics, such as a DNA board).

Trying TC would then usually result in their Chinese masters' products getting a bad review. So the reviewers plain don't do it.

Yes, I also found out the hard way you can't always trust reviews. Especially since you don't know the reviewer's motives. Did he/she get the mod free for reviewing it? That add's bias to the review, other things can as well.

I assume the manufacturers that don't readily tell you what the coil material is are the ones to stay away from...

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I appreciate your help but I know what I see. It's plainly the temp and, I can adjust it separately from the wattage.

Well, this is part of your problem.

I've owned upwards of 20 dna200/250 mods. One was a beta unit that I received before they were available for sale. 2 of which are Triades.
I can assure you that as good as the board is, it does not do TC for kanthal. There is a way to trick it to do a power boost but not TC.
You can adjust it, but it's still dialing back to power mode.

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
Well, this is part of your problem.

I've owned upwards of 20 dna200/250 mods. One was a beta unit that I received before they were available for sale. 2 of which are Triades.
I can assure you that as good as the board is, it does not do TC for kanthal. There is a way to trick it to do a power boost but not TC.
You can adjust it, but it's still dialing back to power mode.

I'm not imagining I feel a temperature difference between 200 and 500 degrees... It's pretty obvious. I know this since, through using the Triade's, I've developed a preference for a cooler vape.

Do you know for sure that the TFV12's are kanthal?

JuicyLucy · Nov 24, 2017

Neither Element or Eleaf ripped you off: the unit didn't pass your test is all

You can't return cigarettes or cigars if you don't like them after opening the package

I assumed full vape expense responsibility for a few family members who were desperate to quit and had limited funds

Not so rich myself, just a little better off

Figured cheap basic squonkers was the best strategy, and it worked for two out of three of the them

Besides the fact I like squonking myself, chose it because of the easy learning curve for RBAs as opposed to expensive coils for tanks and the learning curve of RTAs vs the messiness of dripping

In short, an Pico squeeze (safe and no adjustments at all) with inexpensive quality attie converted two of the three smokers at very limited expense for me and later for them. So for under $40, less the cost of juice, they have enough vape supplies to last a year or more

Figure if they want TC, non-rebuildable coils, etc they can figure out how to finance it themselves later - perhaps with the savings from not smoking

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I'm not imagining I feel a temperature difference between 200 and 500 degrees... It's pretty obvious. I know this since, through using the Triade's, I've developed a preference for a cooler vape.

Well, maybe you found a feature no one else is aware of than.

BAM crew

skt239 · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I'm not imagining I feel a temperature difference between 200 and 500 degrees... It's pretty obvious. I know this since, through using the Triade's, I've developed a preference for a cooler vape.

Do you know for sure that the TFV12's are kanthal?

Once again a lack of understanding and unwillingness to listen to reason.

Drum71 · Nov 24, 2017

skt239 said:
Once again a lack of understanding and unwillingness to listen to reason.

Once again, an asshole speaks! AreYOU the voice of reason? No wonder I'm not listening.

skt239 · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
Once again, an asshole speaks! AreYOU the voice of reason? No wonder I'm not listening.

I thought I was polite

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

skt239 said:
I thought I was polite

Not worth it.... He'll eventually figure it out the hard way

BAM crew

spr258 · Nov 24, 2017

I guess assholes are anyone that try an inform you or give you advice you dont want to hear. There has been so many people here that have tried to help and you dont want to listen.

skt239 · Nov 24, 2017

He wants his mod to work, his money back and for us to tell him he's right. You get none of those. Everything is your fault and you deserve nothing.

Thats me being an asshole.

Carambrda · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
Negative cap, I wouldn't dare send a mech to anyone that doesn't know how to use it, safely.
I try to recommend the right mod for the right user.

BAM crew

...And besides, TC mode is also broken on the mech.

bobnat · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
Ok, what is arctic fox?

And if this is the kind of BS vaping has to offer, I doubt my friends will quit smoking, let alone will I have the time to properly research and pay for a product before my friend is hospitalized a third time.

To think this shit started just trying to help someone!

No one here feels bad for your friends, so stop with that juvenile attempt. I do feel bad that they have you trying to help them.

bobnat · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
Thanks for the help!

Not to sound ungrateful but I still have this problem with trying to find both my friend and his girlfriend a reliable, COMPLETE TC mod kit, still have to test it before I decide if it's right for them and am stuck with a mod I didn't need and isn't the right one for my friends.

I paid for a TC mod that doesn't work. Should I, or my "oblivious to vaping" friends with no computer, be responsible for fixing it?

You are missing the point by such a wide margin. NO ONE needs to vape in Temperature Control...EVER! Wattage mod is what most of us started with and we quit. Why would you think your friends are any different? Just give them the fucking mods, show them how to operate them, then get on with your life. You're just another person who thinks the world owes them something and that others are obligated to help your helpless ass. Seriously, grow up.

Carambrda · Nov 24, 2017

bobnat said:
You are missing the point by such a wide margin. NO ONE needs to vape in Temperature Control...EVER! Wattage mod is what most of us started with and we quit. Why would you think your friends are any different? Just give them the fucking mods, show them how to operate them, then get on with your life. You're just another person who thinks the world owes them something and that others are obligated to help your helpless ass. Seriously, grow up.

Despite being not obligated to help, Eleaf and Wismec actually are helping─by making mods that try to inform you that you don't need TC.

SMOKIE · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
Which YouTube reviews are funded by the manufacturers and which ones are honest purchases by unrelated people????
I watched a YouTube review of a Dray dried herb vape hosted by some annoying brunette girl, stating it was great! After 2 defects I FINALLY have one that works, and it's NOTHING like that review!

Not all You Tube reviewers are funded by the MFG, just a hand full.

DonBaldy · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
You were respectful so I owe you that much.

I try. Golden Rule and all that stuff.

Drum71 said:
I got lucky with my 2 Triade 250's but I cannot afford 2 more, plus tanks, coils and batteries for both of my friends.

Yes you have and those mods will probably last you the majority of your vaping life but at the same time they are way more than the average vaper will need and IMO way too much for the beginning vaper.

Drum71 said:
How much do I need to know before helping a friend, or 2?

Just enough to care, but enough to help them in baby steps. Not everyone responds well to the huge leaps you've made. I've recently helped 4 people. I either bought for them or helped them pick the Aspire Breeze. It's a great little MTL All in one device in which one may use their own juice. It's also a very minimal start up cost. Heck I also like my clouds but I also use my breeze daily. of those 4 to are still using their Breeze, one has gone back to smoking, and the other has upgraded to a slightly more advanced device. If your friends are male it is likely that they will want clouds as soon as they can kick off the vape training wheels because for some reason most of us men are programmed to want it all big, most if the ladies I personally know who vape don't care about clouds.

As to TC. Sure get a mod capable of TC if you choose, but don't put too much stock or worry into TC. If they choose to go that route then they will have the main tool to do so.

Drum71 said:
By the way, wasn’t me switching to vaping and, quitting smoking a good thing to do before becoming an expert?

Yes it very good. None of us start at expert. Hell I've been vaping for touch over a year and I'm still a vaping baby which is why I'm here on this forum. I want to learn from the experiences of noobs and long timers.

Lastly, don't let this spat with Eleaf/Element stress you out and put you in the hospital next to your GF. If you can step back and examine things I think you'll see that the situation maybe could have been handled different from all sides. This industry is no different than any other. It's driven by $$$ and sometimes customers. Your argument seems to be that Eleaf didn't include a coil head capable of TC in the kit with the TC capable mod and tank. Some companies do and some don't When I started most of the kits included a Nickle coil which must be used in TC and people bitched because either TC was more advanced for them or they were happy with watts and why include a coil most people will never use so I guess some makers decided to make them available for customers who decided to go that route but not include them.

My experiences with Element have been all positive. I had one issue and I voiced it here. Kenny did "swoop" in and helped me. Turned out to my error as I didn't read an email completely. Doesn't it seem a bit silly to blame a vendor for the decisions of some mid level marketing employee at Eleaf? The wording Element uses on their web site for the product likely came from the manufacturer as it's almost the same on the web sites of other vendors peddling the same product.

Either way, Good luck to you, sir.

DonBaldy · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I could try wattage mode but I don’t like paying for a defective mod, regardless. I ordered TC, it should operate in that mode.

To which mod are you speaking of here? Your Triade or the Eleaf mod?

Sir, there are a knowledgeable people here trying to help you trouble shoot the issue. Slinging insults back and forth don't help the process. The mod may well be defective, but there are steps to take to determine the problems. Please take a breath and let them help. It's not about who's right or wrong. Please put the pride in the back pocket and allow other to help.

On the other hand, if this is just about a beef with the vaping industry as a whole then this may not be the forum for you.

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

This member sounds like the Bipolar chick.......

AndriaD · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I'm avoiding coil building purposely because it WILL frustrate the hell out of someone with ADHD! Plus, the replaceable coils are the best route for my friends, I feel. They were homeless for a while so a desk with coil building supplies and, expecting them to learn how to do it is out of the question.
I don't want to discourage them.

I think I need to respond to this, particularly the first sentence: if you aren't prepared to build your own coils, I'd venture to guess that you're also not ready for TC vaping. Yes, I know some attys come with pre-made coils that claim to be stainless or whatever, but my experience with factory-made coils is that they're almost all total crap. TC is very finicky -- go .1 ohm too high, and it drops to wattage mode; stainless is prone to hot-spots... and other little quirks that someone who doesn't build their own coils really isn't prepared to deal with.

I can understand being annoyed with the industry; I'm quite annoyed with how they cater to cloud chasers, since they wanna sell everyone enough ejuice to fill a good-sized lake, since ejuice is where the profit lies. But it doesn't do anyone any good to be annoyed with those trying to fill in the gaps of information for you. Granted, a few of them were asshats from the get-go, but you've managed to annoy even those who, at first, were trying to be helpful. TC is absolutely NOT for beginning vapers -- as you correctly noted, they really need replacement coils... and with TC, that's an even bigger problem than with regular kanthal coils.

I got to know you a bit in our PM discussions, and I like you, and I completely get why you're so frustrated with the vaping industry, and for my own reasons, I share that frustration. But taking it out on those trying to help you out with info really isn't the way to learn about vaping. I might invite you to try out ECF, but I have a feeling you might run afoul of the idiot asshat moderators over there, if you can't handle the heat in this particular kitchen. It does take a thick skin to deal with VU, no lie about that... but it would be crazy to totally ditch such a helpful forum just because you aren't getting what you want from this thread. Maybe just take a step back, consider all the actual info you've gotten here, rather than focusing so completely on your frustration.

You're right: TC is mostly crap, unless you're prepared to throw a huge chunk of money at it... and build your own coils. Getting your friends all-in-one starter kits is a MUCH better idea. I won't buy vape stuff for any newbie (other than a bit for my own son), because people only value what they themselves pay for -- stuff that comes for free, they will value accordingly, and probably not succeed as a vaper. They have to WANT IT, for themselves.

Andria

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

Cracks me up every time I hear TC is crap when I have been vaping at 65W and 420°F all day on a Wismec RX200S.

Khassy · Nov 24, 2017

As has been said repeatedly, it's not the mod that is having a problem with TC, it's the wire/coil. And one doesn't need to make their own coils in order to use rebuildables. Pre-coiled wires can be purchased in many, many places.

Did I miss it or have you not explained why you are insisting on TC modes for your friends?

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

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zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
I just tried 2 of my Smok tanks and both revert to mod back to wattage mode, so it's the unit.
It does this no matter what setting I put it in.

These assholes better give me a refund PRONTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drum71 said:
I'm not imagining I feel a temperature difference between 200 and 500 degrees... It's pretty obvious. I know this since, through using the Triade's, I've developed a preference for a cooler vape.

Do you know for sure that the TFV12's are kanthal?

For sure... https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...rb/tfv12_coil_material_can_i_smoke_in_tcmode/

What TC mode are you using? You didn't mention what you figured your coils were made of, ni200, SS, titanium what have you...

I appreciate trying to help your friends. I woulda gone with something more like the Smok Stick though, something small and simple buuuut your mods will be good for your friends in Wattage mode!

You bought a good mod! You can stay mad at not getting what you expected or just look at what you DO have, and pass it to your friends. I've been vaping for 2 or 3 years and I do "temp control" by lowering my wattage or letting go of the fire button

zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

Man, it's been over 3 years now actually, close to 4, and I spent a lot of time online researching but I KNOW there is a ton I still Don't know. That's why I keep coming back and asking, and reading, and shrugging off the "lol noob" type comments

The more I learn, the more I know I don't know yet knowamean? But in all things, vaping or not vaping related, if I feel righteously angry that some large entity is doing something morally wrong, I know I need to calm down and check what I'm doing and let the rest sort itself

Carambrda · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
Cracks me up every time I hear TC is crap when I have been vaping at 65W and 420°F all day on a Wismec RX200S.

For me, to use TC to avoid getting dry hits compares to training wheels on a bicycle to avoid falling over. The vape I get from TC is usually anemic, lacking any kind of punch... only sometimes, TC vapes the same as wattage mode so then the time it took for me to dial in the TC settings has all been wasted because TC just doesn't vape better in any way on any mod.

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

Carambrda said:
The vape I get from TC is usually anemic, lacking any kind of punch... only sometimes

If you can't get a massive cloud using TC with a consistent Temperature vapor the way you like it you are not using it correctly. Why do I need to let off the fire button when I can set the Temperature where I want it and take as long a hit as I want? A tool is only as good as the hands using it and a MOD/Tank is a tool.

AndriaD · Nov 24, 2017

Carambrda said:
For me, to use TC to avoid getting dry hits compares to training wheels on a bicycle to avoid falling over. The vape I get from TC is usually anemic, lacking any kind of punch... only sometimes, TC vapes the same as wattage mode so then the time it took for me to dial in the TC settings has all been wasted because TC just doesn't vape better in any way on any mod.

I often disagree with you on some topics, but on this, right on the money. It's not that I, or my son, can't get TC to work... it's that the vape is for shit, and the rare occasions when the vape is ok are very few and far between, and I just don't want to work that hard for a decent vape, nor does my son, nor do we want to pay the exorbitant price for a TC mod that will actually perform reliably -- it's just not worth it, for the crappy vape you get with titanium or stainless. With wattage, and kanthal, you can tailor the vape exactly to your own specs whether you want massive clouds, great flavor, tight draw, or just whatever. For those who actually do like the vape from stainless, for whatever reason, it's versatile enough that you can also use it in wattage mode without endangering yourself.

TC vaping might one day mature as a technology and be something really great... but it's a long way from that ATM.

Andria

zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
If you can't get a massive cloud using TC with a consistent Temperature vapor the way you like it you are not using it correctly. Why do I need to let off the fire button when I can set the Temperature where I want it and take as long a hit as I want? A tool is only as good as the hands using it and a MOD/Tank is a tool.

Sorry for off topic but gotta say -

Nobody said You have to let off the fire button! Me, I can't use any wire besides Kanthal because of some allergy/reaction nickel gives me, and stainless steel has given me consistent yucky taste, even after intensely careful coil building. So me, I let off fire button, for you, dial in and enjoy or whatever!

zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

I had the idea that temp control came out to combat dry hits on the older tanks, but now that it's still here now that premade coils are improving, I dunno? Either way tinkering is an addiction for me, I have trouble leaving my Wattage setting alone so setting up temp control would be a "talk to me in a week" nightmare LOL

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

Dial in TC settings? Set the Wattage and Temperature is all that is really required to use TC effectively. Sure you can mess around with TCR but there is really no reason to unless you are using a DNA and want every last bit of vapor you can squeeze out it.

AndriaD · Nov 24, 2017

Pegleg Meg said:
Sorry for off topic but gotta say -

Nobody said You have to let off the fire button! Me, I can't use any wire besides Kanthal because of some allergy/reaction nickel gives me, and stainless steel has given me consistent yucky taste, even after intensely careful coil building. So me, I let off fire button, for you, dial in and enjoy or whatever!

I agree about the taste of stainless -- to me, vaping with stainless tastes like "oh shit, I gotta replace this coil, all I taste is metal"... like a stainless fork that had some weird chemical reaction in the dishwasher, and you don't taste the food on the fork, you just taste the fork. Actually, any ejuice containing cinnemaldehyde gives me that burnt-metal taste too.

The other thing I taste if I use stainless is the cotton wick. Never the ejuice... just the metal, or the cotton. In a word: "ICK."

Andria

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

I'm not sure of the true reason that TC came about. I've heard to Combat dry hits, make a more consistent vape and to help limit exposure to nicotine and other chemicals.
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Whatever the motivation was, it is a little to finicky for a newer vapor to use when getting off cigarettes, in my humble opinion.

That said, it is a great vape and it overly complex once you get a handle on the rest of vaping. Additionally, in my opinion, it is not the, "end all be all of vaping "

I started over 5 years ago with a pen and 2ohm coil, realized I could quit with it and bought a kf, rta and a 12w provari(went for broke so that I couldn't afford a cigarette) . It wasn't for another 2.5 years that TC was even heard of. It's far from necessary but a nice option if one wants to tinker with spaced builds, wire types and all the rest. But with so many people not liking the wire of the year and most liking non TC wire, it just seems like an overreach for someone that only wants to quit Marlboro.

BAM crew

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
That said, it is a great vape

Have to agree 100% with this /\

Stainless is the cleanest metal used in vaping in my experience and how someone vaping pure Anti Freeze (85%+ PG) can taste anything is beyond comprehension.

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
Have to agree 100% with this /\

Stainless is the cleanest metal used in vaping in my experience and how someone vaping pure Anti Freeze (85%+ PG) can taste anything is beyond comprehension.

That, my friend, is the beauty of vaping and what makes reviewers opinions Pointlessly ridiculous.

Everyone has different needs and wants.
Ni200 didn't bother me much but was a bitch to. Work with
Kanthal was ok...
Ni80 didn't bother me much
Ss316 is probably my favorite so far

Silica was terrible
Ready X wick was great
Rayon tasted like a tampon (yes I know what they taste like)
Organic cotton is my favorite

Anything higher than 6ovg gives me a tight chest

This why I try to tell people why I use what I use when I talk to Noobs. I can't give them what I prefer without telling them why I don't like the other options they have. There is no such thing as the perfect vape for everyone; but, everyone has their own perfect vape.

The minute we try to convince a new vapor otherwise is when we start to take it away from them. I still have the opinion that focusing on too many variables on the hobby side will frustrate someone back to the ease of lighting of a cigarette.

BAM crew

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
There is no such thing as the perfect vape for everyone.

And this is why when I see people saying something like TC which I use daily is no good bothers me so much. Although I vape at Low Wattage very often and how I got started, once I found what I needed to know to use TC correctly it is the best for me. When I found using SS316L for building coils I must have a mile of wire that will not be used until I feel like experimenting. I have seen posts from people complaining about Stainless but they also said they are Dry Burning them way too much. Know your equipment and know you materials. Even just screwing in a Drop In Coil doesn't work unless you use it correctly but who's fault is that?

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
And this is why when I see people saying something like TC which I use daily is no good bothers me so much. Although I vape at Low Wattage very often and how I got started, once I found what I needed to know to use TC correctly it is the best for me. When I found using SS316L for building coils I must have a mile of wire that will not be used until I feel like experimenting. I have seen posts from people complaining about Stainless but they also said they are Dry Burning them way too much. Know your equipment and know you materials. Even just screwing in a Drop In Coil doesn't work unless you use it correctly but who's fault is that?

Ok so you like it. I like it... Many people do enjoy it.
Let's be honest though, to get a mod that uses it that easy is far more expensive than a decent non tc starter kit.
Adding mulitple possible points of failure and variables to vaping for someone already stressing from quitting smoking appears to be making it more difficult than necessary to quit. At least from where I sit.
Especially when smoking only requires flicking a lighter.
I try to think of the easiest possible hardware for someone ... From there, they'll probably know more on what they like themselves.

BAM crew

zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
And this is why when I see people saying something like TC which I use daily is no good bothers me so much. Although I vape at Low Wattage very often and how I got started, once I found what I needed to know to use TC correctly it is the best for me. When I found using SS316L for building coils I must have a mile of wire that will not be used until I feel like experimenting. I have seen posts from people complaining about Stainless but they also said they are Dry Burning them way too much. Know your equipment and know you materials. Even just screwing in a Drop In Coil doesn't work unless you use it correctly but who's fault is that?

You're nominated to help OP figure out TC!

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
I try to think of the easiest possible hardware for someone ... From there, they'll probably know more on what they like themselves.

I never suggested TC for beginners and told the OP as much way back in the beginning. Here I am debating people who say TC sucks and I stand by what I said if they can't make it work maybe they don't know as much as they think they do? That I don't know but I know it damn sure works for me!

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

Pegleg Meg said:
You're nominated to help OP figure out TC!

That ID-10-T can stick his MOD so far up his ass he gets dry hits as I have already told him to. Maybe if you took the time to read the whole post you would see I tried helping but it is Elements fault he is trying to use Kanthal coils in TC.

f1r3b1rd · Nov 24, 2017

SteveS45 said:
I never suggested TC for beginners and told the OP as much way back in the beginning. Here I am debating people who say TC sucks and I stand by what I said if they can't make it work maybe they don't know as much as they think they do? That I don't know but I know it damn sure works for me!

Well, I figure if someone wants to walk a person through, it's on them.
It's also up the one that wants to learn to be able to listen.
I gave up when evolve started making tc for kanthal.

BAM crew

SteveS45 · Nov 24, 2017

f1r3b1rd said:
I gave up when

I gave up when the OP said it was Elements fault Kanthal did not work in TC. Like if you can't make TC work with the proper coils............

zephyr · Nov 24, 2017

Drum71 said:
The HW3 (SS316L) is what I used. This is a quote emailed to me by Element:

"The ELLO Tank does not come with coils designed for temperature control mod. It is made for variable wattage mode, as you can tell by the recommend wattage range".

So who's bullshitting me, Element, Eleaf or both?

Was this on the page when you ordered? Seems like I would have to check out that coil specifically to see if it was made with nr-r-nr wire before I would blame elementvape for Anything.

bobnat · Nov 25, 2017

SteveS45 said:
And this is why when I see people saying something like TC which I use daily is no good bothers me so much. Although I vape at Low Wattage very often and how I got started, once I found what I needed to know to use TC correctly it is the best for me. When I found using SS316L for building coils I must have a mile of wire that will not be used until I feel like experimenting. I have seen posts from people complaining about Stainless but they also said they are Dry Burning them way too much. Know your equipment and know you materials. Even just screwing in a Drop In Coil doesn't work unless you use it correctly but who's fault is that?

I use my Inbox at 50w @ 470F. It's the best vape I've had to date. And I don't have to worry about dry hits.

Drum71 · Nov 25, 2017

SteveS45 said:
This member sounds like the Bipolar chick.......

Actually, severely bipolar, severe depression and ADHD, anxiety and a little OCD and personality disorder thrown in.
I'm on disability because they say I shouldn't be in the workforce. I've been suffering bad insomnia because of withdrawal from Abilify since January of this year. It could last years. Awake 42 hours, sleep for 3, wake up crabby and spent, then be awake for another 36 hours.
So yes, I might put bipolar chick to shame. Not something I go bragging about, for sure.

I was pretty mild-mannered until my verbally abusive ex-wife learned how to push my buttons. Now, when I get verbally attacked, I go for the throat, whether I want to or not, no matter who it is. This is why I don't leave my apartment.

The above is NOT an attempt at sympathy. That won't do me a damn bit of good! What might help the whole situation is if everyone, that doesn't want to exploit my weakness, will understand my impulsiveness.

If you started by attacking me, (probably for your own entertainment) I feel no remorse for what I might have said.
If you were nice to me and I accidentally bit your head off, please accept my deepest apology! I honestly just saw a wall of negativity around me and started swinging.

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