If you were a mod/atty company...

strigamort · Dec 29, 2017

Just curious what you would work on or change.

If I were a mod manufacturer I'd look into working with someone like Nitecore to include technology that made consumers feel safer charging directly from the mod. Protections and fast/balanced charging with a little "Nitecore Technology Inside" emblem on my mod. As a consumer I'd pay a little extra for that.

Now watch Smok do exactly that 6 months from now.

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ScReWbALL · Dec 29, 2017

Create multiple versions of the same product for different price ranges. A “Basic” version made with less expensive components and fewer aesthetic bonuses priced low enough that people who buy clones can look at it and say “Oh, the basic version of this Authentic isn’t too much more expensive than the clone. I can afford that” in order to take some customers away from the mass producing clone manufacturers. Then have an “Upgraded” version with better components and maybe some engravings to make it look nicer...for someone that has some more cash on hand and doesn’t mind using it for a better product. Then a “Competition” or “Limited Edition” version that is the most expensive and made of top of the line quality material and maybe even customizable with sleeves or better colors and personalized engravings and such with serial numbers for your hardcore folks that don’t mind dropping a buttload of cash on vaping gear for the status symbol it could be or your people looking for awesome competition gear.
That way you aren’t limiting your product to a single income level which would broaden the customer base along with taking some of the thunder (and customers) from the companies that create clones.

You're not drinking water are you?! You realize that stuff is found in antifreeze!?!

stanglifemike · Dec 29, 2017

Release the same mod over and over again every month, with only minor aesthetic changes and LED lights added to it.

Oh wait, Smok already does that!!

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AndriaD · Dec 29, 2017

I would pay more attention to the MtL vapers who want flavor and a tight draw more like a cigarette's draw, since vaping is SUPPOSED TO BE about staying off cigarettes, not creating fucking weather. There are MORE THAN ENOUGH fog machines already available; we need more tight-draw high-flavor RDAs -- because just because you drip, doesn't mean you want to annoy everyone in your house with your damn fog.

And although squonking is finally starting to become a big deal, we also need more budget-conscious regulated squonk mods; not all of us want to mortgage our children to buy some damn overpriced squonk mod. Some of us live in the real world and have bills to pay, and $300 mods are NOT happening.

Andria

Neunerball · Dec 29, 2017

Provide a quality product, that doesn't break, when it's dropped from 1.5 feet. Actually there's a ISO, that requires products dropped from a certain hight to not bend, or break, including the electronics within. I don't remember the exact hight. However, it was way more than 1.5 feet!

shawn.hoefer · Dec 29, 2017

I've been thinking of modular mods. A control module that will snap on to a battery sled with multiple contacts on the back. The module would run 75-80 watts with the single cell sled, 150-200 watts with the double cell thread, 224+ watts with the triple cell thread or lipo pack. This way, when the electronics fritz, a new module can be purchased to replace the old, and when an upgrade in wattage is desired, a new sled can be purchased. A PWM module could also be made to fit the sleds...

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stanglifemike · Dec 29, 2017

shawn.hoefer said:
I've been thinking of modular mods.
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Modular mods would definitely be nice! I think we're at least a few years away before we see those. A few phone manufacturers have tried going in that direction, but it hasn't really worked out yet.

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Btsmokincat · Dec 29, 2017

Make a dual battery Squonker with a potentiometer. Like a Noisy Cricket II-25 Squonker!

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Mattp169 · Dec 29, 2017

lets see atty wise
all glass tanks are enclosed within a metal cage that you can still see the juice level
no press fitted parts
multiple chimney diameter options
all glass is held on at both ends not just one
more colors lots more colors
we kill the person responsible for side fill
we get rid of JFC if you need jfc its something setup when you build your coil - not another part that can just break on you from use of being turned repeatedly from the outside - yes im looking at you griffin 22mm atty

MODs
um TC is not what everyone wants so lets stop making every mod have it
more PWM- massed produced and cheap
same with VV
more durable finishes

pulsevape · Dec 29, 2017

I'd make the top 10 gennys ever made squonkable.... with 2ml tanks.

WhiteAce · Dec 29, 2017

I would look at alternative wicking mechanisms, I have a few good ideas including a injection based design but don't have the funds to persue it.

Btsmokincat · Dec 29, 2017

pulsevape said:
I'd make the top 10 gennys ever made squonkable.... with 2ml tanks.

Here Here! Love my Gaia, Split Attys and Pindad! My modified Theorem works awesome too!

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Hillbilly Pig · Dec 29, 2017

Hmm some stuff geared to MTL would be nice(even though I'm a DL Vaper, MTL seems to be going away in today's market, which really sucks, man)
Low priced regulated squonk mods, been looking at some recently, and nope not spending that much cash on a mod
Have a nice, long talk with whoever decided top air flow only was a good idea

pulsevape · Dec 29, 2017

Btsmokincat said:
Here Here! Love my Gaia, Split Attys and Pindad! My modified Theorem works awesome too!

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I'd like to see more stuff like the Spider from Luca Creations, and the Nextera by VWM..stuff designed for ss mesh. I'd like to see more attys of all kinds designed for ss mesh wicks.

burley · Dec 30, 2017

I'm in the 'more MTL attention plz' category as well. The Kayfun Prime and 5 have been getting a massive surge in clones and availability lately - thinking the trend is maybe showing a little more? Fine by me, get some good companies in here to make some good attys that function better, grab that market share. Lord knows I've wasted a bit of money chasing authentic "Kayfun Killers" that all now just sit in the box.

I'd like to see more wood. Not stab-wood, as nice as it may be, I'm talking.... more like the Treebox and Treebox Plus. Bigger, better produced, but not necessarily a hand-made, custom to order $400 block. There's so much to be had in treatment, wood types, stains... just my preference, what I wish I could find more of.

...nuts to it, I really think I'm going to try and make my own one of these days. Been watching a couple threads and doing a little research about people cannibalizing a, say, Pico and using the internals in a custom made box. But that's neither here nor there.

edited to add:

ScReWbALL said:
Create multiple versions of the same product for different price ranges. A “Basic” version made with less expensive components and fewer aesthetic bonuses priced low enough that people who buy clones can look at it and say “Oh, the basic version of this Authentic isn’t too much more expensive than the clone. I can afford that” in order to take some customers away from the mass producing clone manufacturers. Then have an “Upgraded” version with better components and maybe some engravings to make it look nicer...for someone that has some more cash on hand and doesn’t mind using it for a better product.

Ab-so-lutely agree with this. I've, more than once now, felt so pleased with a Mod that I considered, still am, getting a second one. Now, if I could drop the initial $40 on a base-line model, give it a whirl - that entry level price tag isn't a killer. If it's a dud, it's a dud, that's the game. But if it tickles my bearded butt in just the right way, and I feel so inclined to either buy another or an upgraded version with more on it for a bit more, I would absolutely do that.

I dunno, that just sounds like a good idea. Objectively looking at it, I can see that being a gigantic pain in the ass for manufacturers, but from a strictly consumer focused point of view, that would be great to have those options.

AndriaD · Dec 30, 2017

burley said:
Lord knows I've wasted a bit of money chasing authentic "Kayfun Killers" that all now just sit in the box.

Damn if that ain't the truth! The only atties that have truly killed Kayfuns are RDAs!

burley said:
I'd like to see more wood. Not stab-wood, as nice as it may be, I'm talking.... more like the Treebox and Treebox Plus. Bigger, better produced, but not necessarily a hand-made, custom to order $400 block. There's so much to be had in treatment, wood types, stains... just my preference, what I wish I could find more of.

This also! I love the look of wood mods... but it's really not necessary for it to be the last mahogany tree in the amazon rainforest and priced accordingly! It seems like the choices are:

a) cheap-ass thing that will die the minute you drop it 6 inches.. or just knock it over on the table (smok and kanger, talking to YOU!)
b) outrageously expensive fucking PLASTIC! from a 3-D printer; or
c) OBSCENELY expensive wood from what is apparently the last tree ever.

:facepalm:

Andria

randallpiz · Dec 31, 2017

A Cue with refillable pods.
And normal ohm coils with higher nic juice for MTL.
I'm not dedicating my life to vaping.
I just want safer nicotine delivery.

Cosmic · Dec 31, 2017

Do away with the 1/10th decimal point on wattage readouts....this is very old school and unnecessary now.
Center the 510 on more mods now....just ruins the aesthetics with an atty sitting off on one side.

burley · Dec 31, 2017

Cosmic said:
Do away with the 1/10th decimal point on wattage readouts....this is very old school and unnecessary now.
Center the 510 on more mods now....just ruins the aesthetics with an atty sitting off on one side.

But then how would I vape at 25.3w - just the way I like it? .4 is too hot, .2 and you might as well be sucking air...

AndriaD · Dec 31, 2017

Cosmic said:
Do away with the 1/10th decimal point on wattage readouts....this is very old school and unnecessary now.
Center the 510 on more mods now....just ruins the aesthetics with an atty sitting off on one side.

Really glad you're not in charge of my mods; I regularly vape anywhere from 9.2 to 9.8 watts, though I prefer 9.6... which is why I seldom use my Innokin mods anymore, because 9.6 is better than 9.5, but 10 is a bit much.

Just because you don't use a feature, doesn't mean it's useless to everyone.

Andria

Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 31, 2017

AndriaD said:
Really glad you're not in charge of my mods; I regularly vape anywhere from 9.2 to 9.8 watts, though I prefer 9.6... which is why I seldom use my Innokin mods anymore, because 9.6 is better than 9.5, but 10 is a bit much.

Just because you don't use a feature, doesn't mean it's useless to everyone.

Andria

I don't get any vape whatsoever at 10 Watts, i seriously don't understand. I get it, you don't want a fog machine, and I'm certainly not doubting you, I consider you a friend on here to be honest as fuck. But Andria are you even vaping at 9 Watts?

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Zohmbiebuilds · Dec 31, 2017

I wouldn't have a 1000% markup on my mods or attys. Honest business, is profitable business. Get your product out, and real QUALITY control. Not just some stupid sticker placed above an obvious cracked battery sled @voopoo

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AndriaD · Dec 31, 2017

zombievapereview said:
I don't get any vape whatsoever at 10 Watts, i seriously don't understand. I get it, you don't want a fog machine, and I'm certainly not doubting you, I consider you a friend on here to be honest as fuck. But Andria are you even vaping at 9 Watts?

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Sure am. If you ever tried a 1mm airflow, you'd get it.

Andria

mikeyboy74 · Jan 1, 2018

Need MTL with pre built coils for the quitters who aren't yet ready to rebuild.

Pods with nic salts are a step in the right direction, though vapor output is a weak point.

I found the Nautilus and T22 to be less satisfying than the ego setups that proceeded them. Smoking isn't satisfying just because of the tight MTL draw.

Can we get nic salts with lower mg, for higher wattage applications? So we don't need to vape all the time to get our fix. And so the half pack a day smoker can more easily use vaping to quit.

If heat not burn is going to be a thing, and Altria gets FDA approved, then existing vape companies should also be able to make devices that vape tobacco.

As for mods, I would love to see a Squid double barrel without the double barrel. Why not a power mode only regulated tube mod that can hold 2 18650's and do 150w or more? Or the common dual 18650 200w device stripped down to hard hitting adjustable wattage mode only.

For sub ohm tanks, the ridiculous airflow and short coil life of a Valyrian or tfv8/12 don't do much for me throughout the day. Clouds are fun, but can't take them most places. My old restricted DL Herakles could get 3 weeks per coil, and at least a little throat hit.

I hope to see more flax paper, mesh, or anything else that could minimize dry hits with pre built coils.

I think the hobbyists have done well and will always be self sufficient. They have inspired ever improving products. For the rest of us, we need more satisfying options, not just bells and whistles, and a lit better QC- which may not be part of Chinese business culture.

Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 2, 2018

AndriaD said:
Sure am. If you ever tried a 1mm airflow, you'd get it.

Andria

Hey just want to reiterate, your my buddy and I have the utmost respect for you, and realize your a Master of your vape style. I've read tons of your posts because this happened to be the only way my ex could vape. Boy I'm glad that spoiled shit is an ex. Never ever getting into a relationship with a fellow addict, in recovery. I need me a good girl.

Anyway, yea.. MTL just isn't my cup of tea but really respect it. It's an effective way to get your nic.

Here's what I don't understand. At 9 Watts no build I currently use would produce any vape. Are you using high or low ohm. I would think your using above 1 ohm. Please explain. I'm interested

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CrazyChef v2.0 · Jan 2, 2018

zombievapereview said:
Here's what I don't understand. At 9 Watts no build I currently use would produce any vape. Are you using high or low ohm. I would think your using above 1 ohm. Please explain. I'm interested

If I may butt in... Most MTL atties have limited space (both in the chamber and the build deck) compared to other types of atties. My first successful MTL build a few years ago was using 28g kanthal A1. It was 2.5mm inside diameter and I think like 5/6 wraps. Quite a small coil, and took almost no wattage to heat it up. It was a bit over one Ohm. Back then, "sub-ohm vaping" was something only the hard core vapers did, and was just starting to increase in popularity. Or at least that's how I perceived it at the time.

shawn.hoefer · Jan 2, 2018

Allow me to butt in as well...

In a MTL atty, be it with a drop in coil or a rebuildable, resistances run high. The original Protank coil was 2.2 Ohms (6 wrap 32 AWG Ka1 2mm). A change of 1 W on that coil is a change of 1.2 V. It's significant.

Perhaps firmware that allows choice, or mods that increment in .1 W under 25, and 1 W over that mark...

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Angrygod50 · Jan 2, 2018

A proper warranty and service center that you could get real help and buy the small parts to replace the ones you lost or broke.

Zohmbiebuilds · Jan 2, 2018

CrazyChef v2.0 said:
If I may butt in... Most MTL atties have limited space (both in the chamber and the build deck) compared to other types of atties. My first successful MTL build a few years ago was using 28g kanthal A1. It was 2.5mm inside diameter and I think like 5/6 wraps. Quite a small coil, and took almost no wattage to heat it up. It was a bit over one Ohm. Back then, "sub-ohm vaping" was something only the hard core vapers did, and was just starting to increase in popularity. Or at least that's how I perceived it at the time.

Thank you guys. Thanks Shawn and thank you crazychef for helping me understand this particular vaping method. Not interested in it to use, just trying to wrap my brain around it. I get it, I'm not necessarily a cloud chaser or a flavor junkie. I like my nicotine, and I like mid to high wattage vaping.

Again I appreciate y'all.

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Carambrda · Jan 2, 2018

shawn.hoefer said:
Allow me to butt in as well...

In a MTL atty, be it with a drop in coil or a rebuildable, resistances run high. The original Protank coil was 2.2 Ohms (6 wrap 32 AWG Ka1 2mm). A change of 1 W on that coil is a change of 1.2 V. It's significant.

Perhaps firmware that allows choice, or mods that increment in .1 W under 25, and 1 W over that mark...

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ArcticFox firmware does allow me to choose between .1 watt increments and 1 watt increments.

strigamort · Jan 7, 2018

Mtl is coming back in a big way. Mark my words. Mtl is to 2018 as Squonk was to 2017.

As for squonk... I have most of the newest squonk mods. The two regulated ones that I have (ijoy capo and Lost Vape therion dna75c) are both affordable and really good for what they are. I prefer the LV unsurprisingly. I had that Rig Mod RSQ in hand today and almost bought it but I have several single 18650 mechanicals in the same form factor and a chip isn't enough to buy yet another one. That said, I ordered an Asmodus Luna. I'll be writing a review on it when it arrives. I suspect that I'll be advising a purchase. They are gorgeous, regulated (enough for me) and cost less than a bill.

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If you were a mod/atty company...

strigamort

ScReWbALL

stanglifemike

AndriaD

Yes, I DO wear a mask! I'm vaccinated, too!

Neunerball

shawn.hoefer

stanglifemike

Btsmokincat

Mattp169

pulsevape

WhiteAce

Btsmokincat

Hillbilly Pig

pulsevape

burley

Picky Bearded 'Backy Bum

AndriaD

Yes, I DO wear a mask! I'm vaccinated, too!

randallpiz

Cosmic

burley

Picky Bearded 'Backy Bum

AndriaD

Yes, I DO wear a mask! I'm vaccinated, too!

Zohmbiebuilds

Zohmbiebuilds

AndriaD

Yes, I DO wear a mask! I'm vaccinated, too!

mikeyboy74

Zohmbiebuilds

CrazyChef v2.0

shawn.hoefer

Angrygod50

Zohmbiebuilds

Carambrda

strigamort

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