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The Official Clapton Coil Thread

mach1ne

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so in the 'post your builds' thread, there is a ton of good information, questions and answers on everything from basic, to highly advanced builds and techniques. its quickly grown into an amazing resource, but its also quickly grown too large to find that info in. most of us have answered the same questions over and over again.

the idea for these 'the official x thread', is to get the information on 'x' (build/technique) all in one place so its easier to find, and consolidate the questions/answers/discussion a little bit, and leave that other thread for pics, chat and encouragement. This is the thread for clapton coils, and all their variants. feel free to ask questions, discuss variants and post tips and pics in here. links to all the 'official' threads are collected here, have a look through the rest for tips on everything from planning a build in steam-engine, beginner to advanced builds, and even coil photography.

coil info: clapton wire is made by putting a straightened piece of wire (your core wire) into the chuck of a drill, and the other end to some swivels, and then spooling a much smaller wire (your wrap, preferably 8 or more gauges smaller than your core) across the length of it to create a wire similar to guitar strings.

there are a lot of variations on the basic clapton (which is one core, and one wrap wire, which is usually/ideally around 10 gauges smaller than the core). the rest are variations of fused claptons (with 2 or more cores), like aliens and cat tracks, framed multicore, twisted etc...the clapton wrap technique is a requirement/ingredient in all the staples and stagger fused builds that have wraps of any kind as well. its truly the foundation of almost every other build.

tips:tension is one of the key elements of doing this build smoothly. the amount of grip you apply to the spool your wrap wire is coming off can make or break your build. you want to keep it the same all the way through, and not apply too much as you can cause your core wire to twist up and snap, or if your wrap wire is very small (40+ gauge) it will easily break

tips:angle is the other most important thing to maintain. you want your wrap wire to feed on at an angle slightly behind 90 degrees, towards your drill (so its wrapping slightly back toward the previous wraps). if you go too far back, your wraps will double up over themselves and start going backwards, so be careful. if you lean the angle too far forward, your wraps will have spaces in between them.

tips:there are times when you want looser wraps that can slide off the core wire, to be used for other builds (like aliens), and times when you will want space between the wraps instead of them touching tight together.

tips:its a pretty forgiving technique if you make a mistake, just reverse your drill and unwrap the bad part and try again.

pics:some fused claptons in a petri rda
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here is a classic tutorial on fused claptons (the two core variant)
 
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mach1ne

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@CrazyChef v2.0 took these pics to help show the swivel and drill setup, and a shot to show the ideal angle to wrap your claptons


drill side:
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swivel side:
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these swivels are in a series of three, in case one fails in the middle of a build, there are more to save your ass. far left in the frame is a spinLT, which is a ball bearing housed in a 3d printed brick. it has very little friction, and a lot of people just use them by themselves, without swivels. i prefer redundancy, so i tend to use both as well.

angle:
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this picture is a great way to illustrate the slight angle back which helps to keep your wraps tight. this angle, and your tension (spool grip tightness) are the main details you really have to watch when you are just starting out. as long as your angle is good, your wraps will be good. dont get distracted by trying to look back at your wraps or worry if they are ok. with smaller gauge wrap wire, you can barely see it anyway :p in cases where you cant see your wire because its too small, try a light of some kind to reflect off of it. i wear a headlamp thats always pointing at what im working on, and that lights it up quite well for me...

thanks for taking these pictures for the purpose of this thread chef :cheers: you are a gentleman and a scholar.
 

champton

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Here's a little tip for newbies that I picked up as I was going along.

I've done claptons enough to where I can get a good idea of when my wire isn't wrapping tightly enough by feeling my claptoned wire every 5 to 10 seconds or so. When your wraps are good, the wire you've already claptoned will feel very smooth as opposed to when your wraps are further apart, in which case the wire will feel like it's a little rougher. The bigger the gaps, the rougher your wire will feel. As you get further and further into making claptons, you'll be able to tell the difference easier. The claptoned wire will feel very different in spots where your wraps are further apart.

Using this technique, you can catch errors in your wrap before you have to reverse your drill too far back and risk loosening your entire clapton.
 
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Torturedzen

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Here's a newbie-clapton-coiler question. I just recently began doing my own Clapton's using the basic clothespin rig. It works well but I have noticed that, after I release it from the swivel and trim the ends, the wrap wire feels like I could slip it off my core with little effort. I can compress it lengthwise back on the core but pretty sure that's not ideal. Is this because I'm not angling the wrap as mentioned above? Or is it tension issue? Any advice?
 

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It happens with Clapton wire. I usually crimp the ends before coiling so that the outer Clapton wrap stays where it's supposed to.
 

CactusFanaticus

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I've known about the spool tamer trick for a while but never tried it because claptons are easy enough already, was bored the other day had a couple spool tamers laying around so gave it a shot on some fused SS. It makes it to where all you need to do is literally work the throttle on the drill. It's also fun to watch the spool work it's way down the line.
 

champton

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Are you holding the wrap wire tightly enough? When I first started out, I found that sometimes the wrap wire will not be tight enough when you don't hold enough tension on it.

Unfortunately, I've gotten used to it now, and this has had the side effect of making the wrap too tight for me to properly decore the clapton for an alien coil.
 
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mach1ne

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excerpt from @DonBaldy '2nd clapton complete' thread

I got a a lot of new wire in and this one was easier than the 1st. Still a long way to go. This one is all N80 single core 26g with 32g wrap. Came out to .8 and id vapeable in Wasp nano on Pico Squeeze. Flavor is meh.

Observations:

1. Had to get new swivels. The ones I first tried were shit and contributed to a lot of fails and wasted wire. New ball bearing swivels made all the difference.

2. It's a bitch trying to figure out the right tension to hold the wrap wire.

3. Kbee wire is dirty, but fine for practicing because it's cheap. When I am more comfortable with skills I'll find other wire.

awesome :cheers: thats a nice clean second build. some points on your notes and observations:

-single core clapton flavor is barely better than round wire imo. stick with fused (2 cores) for better all around performance, without any extra difficulty

-ball bearing swivels are the ones you want. i got some 330 lbs test from walmart for about $5 a pack. i chained three in a row (for redundancy if one fails). check them often and apply some oil, or simply replace if they get crunchy. also, mind how hard you pull on your drill and wrap wire. the more tension you apply to those, the more friction is created in your swivels (which was my number one way to fail a build with more than two cores until i learned to be gentle).

-for wrap wire tension, try to train yourself to use the least amount possible. 32 is too big (imo) for wrap wire. it might seem like using a bigger wire would be an easier way to start, but it is so stiff that it makes things harder (again, imo). try to stick with 36 or higher. dont worry if you cant see it very well, youll learn to trust your angles and not need to see it properly very soon. when i say 'use the least amount of tension possible' i mean the least amount for it to give you clapton wraps that dont slide off or become loose.

-i have had dirty, poorly spooled wire from kbee, and also clean perfect wire from them. seems hit or miss. i dont really care if its clean or not because i clean and pulse the hell out of my coils before i vape them no matter what...but poorly spooled wire is unforgivable imo for builders.

keep at it! you are off to a great start:cheers:
 

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Today I'm gonna try a stagger clapton, 5 x 28awg with the center and outside cores claptoned first, then fused together in a stagger. I'm gonna try a weighted ring to hold the spacing wire on the cores
 

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