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ColdDayInHell

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I’m still new at this and I don’t want to burn out the cotton. (Is that possible) ?

So I’m running a .45ohm Alien Clapton and it came up as .7ohm when I built it 2 weeks ago.

Is that a problem ?

If I run it under 40w I don’t get much flavor or vapor, I keep it at 47-48w with airflow wide open. It just sounds high to me considering my dual Kylin is .22ohm and I keep it 64-68w.

Thanks in advance as always.

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I’m running the kylin mini rta at .46 ohms roughly 43-49 Watts. Run it at what you like, within your battery limits.
 

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I’m still new at this and I don’t want to burn out the cotton. (Is that possible) ?

So I’m running a .45ohm Alien Clapton and it came up as .7ohm when I built it 2 weeks ago.

Is that a problem ?

If I run it under 40w I don’t get much flavor or vapor, I keep it at 47-48w with airflow wide open. It just sounds high to me considering my dual Kylin is .22ohm and I keep it 64-68w.

Thanks in advance as always.

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Dark mod pic LOL:
Is the .7 coil making good contact and tight? Does it show as .7 on ohm reader or other mod?
All 3 coils are the same, right? I wouldn't trust those coils as being any good for flavor or anything else. I found them on ebay for 7 a 20pk
 
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ColdDayInHell

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Is the .7 coil making good contact and tight? Does it show as .7 on ohm reader or other mod?
All 3 coils are the same, right? I wouldn't trust those coils as being any good for flavor or anything else. I found them on ebay for 7 a 20pk

Yeah they work awesome in my Kylin. I have two of them in there. .22ohm. On the meter and mod, since Feb 22nd. I asked my friend at the shop today how they looked and he’s like lol, fine. Clean. (He knows I’m paranoid about this stuff)

Yes the coil came up as .7 on the Coil Master 521 too. It is making contact. I had him check it out too, not that it means much to you guys since you don’t know him.

Whenever this snow Bullshit ends I’ll spend some time rebuilding the mini with a better or different coil.

I got those off amazon. Cheap. High rated. I also got these , if you can look it over for me ;).

I got them only because of the reviews. Otherwise f*** eBay.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/132333866199

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The only coils I’ve used so far have come from this pack , now it’s gone from Amazon but it had 5 stars , thousands of reviews.

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Where do you get coils ? I’m not wrapping my own. Lol


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Yeah they work awesome in my Kylin. I have two of them in there. .22ohm. On the meter and mod, since Feb 22nd. I asked my friend at the shop today how they looked and he’s like lol, fine. Clean. (He knows I’m paranoid about this stuff)

Yes the coil came up as .7 on the Coil Master 521 too. It is making contact. I had him check it out too, not that it means much to you guys since you don’t know him.

Whenever this snow Bullshit ends I’ll spend some time rebuilding the mini with a better or different coil.

I got those off amazon. Cheap. High rated. I also got these , if you can look it over for me ;).

I got them only because of the reviews. Otherwise f*** eBay.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/132333866199

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I suppose if the dual has longer legs, and the singles legs are short, + the possible variance from coil to coil, you could end up @ .7 for 1.
Naw, you don't want any of those brands. Take alook at
Advanced Vape Supply - ss coils fot TC/TCR or regular wattage mode. They have ohm charts on most that show single coils ohmage.
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Coilology if you can find their "handbuilt", not "performance".
BD Builder Coils and Pure coils are members here that sell Aliens and such.
If you want Alien it will need to be handmade coil to be real/true alien - some companies say "alien" because there's no law or whatever to not use that word for a coil that isn't really alien..Marketing

I've been using AVS SS coils and aliens/fraliens from someone that hand builds the wire.
Thats the key for aliens - handbuilt wire - since a machine can't really do it.
 
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Those AVS 3 core and quad core fused claptons are some good premade coils. Close to alien.
Good alien coils aren't cheap, but worth it to have some around imo. And they last and last.
As with any coil, when you clean them, if you just heat and wire brush they last longer than using the water trick to scald them clean. The water method makes the wire brittle sooner.
https://www.purecoils.com/
http://bdbuilders.bigcartel.com/products
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The handle is a jig. Extra brush.
 
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I suppose if the dual has longer legs, and the singles legs are short, + the possible variance from coil to coil, you could end up @ .7 for 1.
Naw, you don't want any of those brands. Take alook at
Advanced Vape Supply - ss coils fot TC/TCR or regular wattage mode. They have ohm charts on most that show single coils ohmage.
Kindey Puncher
Coilology if you can find their "handbuilt", not "performance".
BD Builder Coils and Pure coils are members here that sell Aliens and such.
If you want Alien it will need to be handmade coil to be real/true alien - some companies say "alien" because there's no law or whatever to not use that word for a coil that isn't really alien..Marketing

I've been using AVS SS coils and aliens/fraliens from someone that hand builds the wire.
Thats the key for aliens - handbuilt wire - since a machine can't really do it.

Yeah. I know nothing about coils. I used the Aliens because I’ve seen people use them.

So which would you recommend for the Mini and the RTA?

Money isn’t really an issue because they last so long.

And I agree somewhat with the water making the wire brittle. I’ve cleaned these dual coils 3 times like that. And it makes sense that the short coil on the Mini reads .7.

Thanks dude.


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Ugh.

On AVS. I saw the Quad Core coils.

What wire size. Coil size. And wrap ? I guess for the Mini I’d need 5-6 wraps?

My brain is fried.


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Ugh. On AVS. I saw the Quad Core coils.
What wire size. Coil size. And wrap ? I guess for the Mini I’d need 5-6 wraps?
I've used those 30x4/40. 4 id and 6 wraps.
Depending on what they are going in, some adjustments can be made.
Can be used as is, and/or pull a wrap off, and/or pull it down to 3.5 or 3 id.
For KM imo 6 wraps is plenty w/o going out past AF too much.

What I've done with that 30x4/40 - 4 id/6 wrap coil in KM = space it a little, and pull off a wrap to make it 5.

I may vape higher resistance than you but you can just accordingly. Using their chart and knowing you can make some manual id/wrap adjustments will get you what you want. (you can even add a wrap because the legs are long enough to do so). You could go with 3 id to keep your wicking the same. The fralien in my KM atm is 3 id and they have that 3 core SS as well if you don't see a resistance configuration in x4 that you want. Being SS I personally would space them regardless of size.

If you want to be in the same resistance range on both RTA's you might get diff coils on the same order using this option. I don't know if they consider x3/x4 as being parallel since the cores are parallel.
https://www.advancedvapesupply.com/...s-coils/products/pre-wrapped-coil-sample-pack

Dry firing ss is different than usual.
 

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I've used those 30x4/40. 4 id and 6 wraps.
Depending on what they are going in, some adjustments can be made.
Can be used as is, and/or pull a wrap off, and/or pull it down to 3.5 or 3 id.
For KM imo 6 wraps is plenty w/o going out past AF too much.

What I've done with that 30x4/40 - 4 id/6 wrap coil in KM = space it a little, and pull off a wrap to make it 5.

I may vape higher resistance than you but you can just accordingly. Using their chart and knowing you can make some manual id/wrap adjustments will get you what you want. (you can even add a wrap because the legs are long enough to do so). You could go with 3 id to keep your wicking the same. The fralien in my KM atm is 3 id and they have that 3 core SS as well if you don't see a resistance configuration in x4 that you want. Being SS I personally would space them regardless of size.

If you want to be in the same resistance range on both RTA's you might get diff coils on the same order using this option. I don't know if they consider x3/x4 as being parallel since the cores are parallel.
https://www.advancedvapesupply.com/...s-coils/products/pre-wrapped-coil-sample-pack

Dry firing ss is different than usual.
That sounds like too much work. I'll order 5 wrap, lol.

I think the quad core (reminds me of CPUs) , is what I'll order.
 

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And they're in stock.

I'm running on 3 hours of sleep, I'll check it out more later and change my coil anyways since I think it's just a bad coil. I have staggered ones, clapton, fused, etc. I posted what I currently have. I think my local shop has AVS so I might just take a couple.

edit: I called, they are out of stock on everything (my shop)

HM.

Should I use the coil that came with the Kylin,

Or one of these https://www.elementvape.com/demon-killer-8-in-1-coil-prebuilt-set?enter=true

I haven't even ripped the plastic off that set.

  • Six 0.36ohm Quad Coils
  • Six 0.45ohm Mix Twisted Coils
  • Six 0.50ohm Hive Coils
  • Six 0.45ohm Alien Clapton Coils
  • Six 0.36ohm Tiger Coils
  • Six 0.36ohm Flat Twisted Coils
  • Six 0.45ohm Fused Clapton Coils
  • Six 0.85ohm Clapton Coils
 
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I think the one that came with it is a good 1.
ok, get 3id too.
 

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Before picture.

Changing the coil out at my local shop because when I get home I’m going to pass out.

This is how I had it wicked.


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I spent 45 mins at the shop today, we agreed that Kingpin was right about the post layout. It makes the coil bend and is a pain in the ass but I got it to work.

I think the coil that came with the Kylin Mini got cut too short by me (my third time trimming coils). I can cut guitar strings perfect but vape coils? NOPE. The leads are always short.

Today I almost cut them too short but managed to pull the coil up a bit like Kingpin has in his tutorial. IIRC, he said it should be 1/2 visible above coil deck.

I'm going to order those Quad Core coils from AVS but since he didn't have anything....


I had to use my Demon Killer coil kit

I don't really care about the quality of the coil as of today, but that .45 "Alien Clapton" i had in there still read .702 ohm on my meter, the shop's meter, and my AL85. So, that had to go.

I ended up just asking what he would use, he chose this .35ohm Tiger coil

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Tiger coils supposedly one ribbon/one round twisted together. Some of the "features":

  • Small juice channels are formed within the twists of ribbon of the kanthal wrapped wire
  • Surface area is dramatically increased & resistance only incrementally increased verses regular coils

It sounds like marketing BS to me, but it actually tastes / works fine.

The meter and AL85 read .45ohm which is much better than .702.

I just wanted to post this so I have something to refer back to when I build it again with a quality coil!

Thanks for the links to good coil sites and now I know what to stay away from.

And hey, at least I got the wicking down. Making the dam like KingPin! works every time.

tl;dr

I put a .35ohm Tiger Coil in my Kylin Mini and it is working great.

I just don't know what wattage to use, I have it at 65 and it's not burnt and the flavor is good.
 

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- Today I almost cut them too short but managed to pull the coil up a bit like Kingpin has in his tutorial. IIRC, he said it should be 1/2 visible above coil deck.
- I'm going to order those Quad Core coils from AVS.
- I put a .35ohm Tiger Coil in my Kylin Mini and it is working great. I just don't know what wattage to use, I have it at 65 and it's not burnt and the flavor is good.
- Easier to go off distance from deck to bottom of coil. I go as close as possible to deck, w/o having concern of dead short, and the top is where it winds up being. Pretty sure @KingPin! was using that part above deck as a general reference and not a reference as a gauge for installing the coil. Maybe he'll be around to let us know.
- Because of those x4 coils flat width, it's good to use a jig when installing so you can hold it in place while you screw down the legs> which are going to twist > unless you cut the legs to length then needle nose the twist before you install it. Either way, need a jig and if you don't have one you may have something that works for now.
- Wattage varies from user to user. No set, 1 for all. Use whatever wattage you like. Your batteries and for the AL85 are ok at that wattage, but an AL85 I had would get hot on the battery cap when I put a big power draw (50-60w) on it. If you use higher resistance/lower wattage on the AL85 the battery charge will last longer. Of course the Cylon is better in every way :)

I space ss in case I want to use TC or TCR, and here’s how I get the hot spots out. I only strum but if is isn’t spaced you can squeeze/strum and it’s more delicate than some other wire types, so I’m easier with it and not when the coil is too hot for it.

In well-lit area because I’m first looking for color change. No orange or glow.

Your wattage increments may be a little diff than my example. These coils can be easily overheated when dry burning. Go low and take your time.

I start with 10 to 12w pulse. I’ll get a little trail of smoke, very little, from heating whatever may be on the wire (could be my own fingerprints from installing). And I look for color change only. I’ll pulse longer and longer at that wattage till I know I’ve gotten all the smoke and color change that’s going to happen at that 10-12 watts. If I get color at this wattage, and it’s not even or inside out, I easily/gently strum to help it along. If I don’t get color from this wattage by holding the fire button down, no big deal I just consider it a lil break in.

Then I move the wattage up to around 18, and repeat pulse/strum if needed, while getting more color only. Since I’ve moved the wattage up, I use short pulses to guard against any glow, as I’m still looking to just pulse it up to color change. Easily/lightly strum as needed.

When its colored along its length, and I’m confident hotspots are out, and more heat is ok, I bump the wattage to about 25-28 and pulse to darken the color while looking for anything that looks like it wants to be strummed. Then longer pulses to get a dull faint orange to confirm it’s firing inside out and evenly. I don’t force that red or hot orange like with some of the other wire types. And I don’t force that dull orange dry fire across the length of the coil.

Here’s one that I colored up, got a little dull orange, and it’s ready to vape. It’s the same coil you’re getting (except it’s 4id).
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Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't. Do it once and just a couple few mins thereafter. These coils are good at firing pretty evenly on their own. Just start low, bump the wattage a couple times, strum where needed on your way up. Done.
 
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Thanks Vape Fan :cheers: yeah was trying to describe it with a 3mm coil and how it’s looks (it’s pretty much just under half way at the top:D)...I probably would have been better saying keep it close to the deck just a couple of mm above ...meh sod it pictures help!

Like this

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This is just me though others may prefer positioning it higher
 

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- Easier to go off distance from deck to bottom of coil. I go as close as possible to deck, w/o having concern of dead short, and the top is where it winds up being. Pretty sure @KingPin! was using that part above deck as a general reference. Maybe he'll be around to let us know.
- Because of those x4 coils flat width, it's good to use a jig when installing so you can hold it in place while you screw down the legs> which are going to twist > unless you cut the legs to length then needle nose the twist before you install it. Either way, need a jig and if you don't have one you may have something that works for now.
- Wattage varies from user to user. No set, 1 for all. Use whatever wattage you like. Your batteries and for the AL85 are ok at that wattage, but an AL85 I had would get hot on the battery cap when I put a big power draw (50-60w) on it. If you use higher resistance/lower wattage on the AL85 the battery charge will last longer. Of course the Cylon is better in every way :)

I space ss in case I want to use TC or TCR, and here’s how I get the hot spots out. I only strum but if is isn’t spaced you can squeeze/strum and it’s more delicate than some other wire types, so I’m easier with it and not when the coil is too hot for it.

In well-lit area because I’m first looking for color change. No orange or glow.

Your wattage increments may be a little diff than my example. These coils can be easily overheated when dry burning. Go low and take your time.

I start with 10 to 12w pulse. I’ll get a little trail of smoke, very little, from heating whatever may be on the wire (could be my own fingerprints from installing). And I look for color change only. I’ll pulse longer and longer at that wattage till I know I’ve gotten all the smoke and color change that’s going to happen at that 10-12 watts. If I get color at this wattage, and it’s not even or inside out, I easily/gently strum to help it along. If I don’t get color from this wattage by holding the fire button down, no big deal I just consider it a lil break in.

Then I move the wattage up to around 18, and repeat pulse/strum if needed, while getting more color only. Since I’ve moved the wattage up, I use short pulses to guard against any glow, as I’m still looking to just pulse it up to color change. Easily/lightly strum as needed.

When its colored along its length, and I’m confident hotspots are out, and more heat is ok, I bump the wattage to about 25-28 and pulse to darken the color while looking for anything that looks like it wants to be strummed. Then longer pulses to get a dull faint orange to confirm it’s firing inside out and evenly. I don’t force that red or hot orange like with some of the other wire types. And I don’t force that dull orange dry fire across the length of the coil.

Here’s one that I colored up, got a little dull orange, and it’s ready to vape. It’s the same coil you’re getting (except it’s 4id).
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Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't. Do it once and just a couple few mins thereafter. These coils are good at firing pretty evenly on their own. Just start low, bump the wattage a couple times, strum where needed on your way up. Done.

Well I could use the G Priv 2 with the Mini, I just liked the AL85 for its size. LOL.
 

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I put the coil near the bottom like Kingpin! 's pic
 

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So this happened. Thanks to Vape Fan, I chose to swap out my coil for one my friend gave me.

Framed staple alien 316 SS

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Resistance came up as .16

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Straightened it out , wicked it, now I’m going to rest for the weekend. [rofl]

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Of course when I went to refill it, goddamn thing leaked all over my mod. I’ll never fill that tank on a mod again.


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Yeah. I know nothing about coils. I used the Aliens because I’ve seen people use them.

So which would you recommend for the Mini and the RTA?

Money isn’t really an issue because they last so long.

And I agree somewhat with the water making the wire brittle. I’ve cleaned these dual coils 3 times like that. And it makes sense that the short coil on the Mini reads .7.

Thanks dude.


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Im using Kylin Mini on my voopoo too mod. Best RTA for flavor. I try many builds and coils, but best i got is with Tiger coils its .72 Ohm and im running at 42-46 Watts.
 

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