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OhmzRaw

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I had my Alien shit out on me yesterday. It was my most used mod. I think I've had it a year and a half.I dropped it twice on asphalt this weekend (Not the first time lol). I swapped out the batteries and it never turned back on. I miss it already. I'm definitely getting another or even couple more. It was a solid workhorse for me.

RIP my old freind
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A lot of my stuff shouldn't work anymore from wear n tear and abuse. But this is the first one that has died and I have a bunch of Smok stuff.
That definitely looks like a work horse.
 

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Yeah even some of my friends quit and their reason was "I just needed wanted to smoke". Nowadays with nicotine salts and pod devices, transitioning to vaping is easier than before but you also need the willingness to want to quit smoking cigarettes.

Absolutely, the desire to quit is necessary! I'd been wanting to quit for probably 30 yrs, but had zero, NEGATIVE desire to suffer enough to make it happen. Vaping got rid of 99% of that suffering, which was enough; I could handle the small bit of "suffering" that went along with quitting via vaping. But if it hadn't been for WTA, I'm not sure that I could have; I'm one of the unfortunates who was more addicted to the "minor" alkaloids and MAOIs than to nicotine, but WTA got rid of the cravings entirely.

Shortly after I started vaping, my mom told me that her friend's daughter-in-law had quit via vaping, but had then quit vaping. I told her to let me know when that young lady started smoking again. :D Sadly, my mom passed in 2016, so I doubt I'll have any further news of that friend or her family members. They live in Macon now, a good ways from metro Atlanta.

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AnkouSitan

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I must be more addicted than I thought!! I just bought my third Mod!! THIS one doesn’t need replacement batteries!!
I just counted. I have 21 mods after 3 months of vaping. This after I just donated 4 to a friend who is becoming a new dad and has no money for new toys.
 

Soupy1957

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I just thought that with so many people who vape getting vapers tongue, vaping the same flavor constantly and for so long you probably have the worst case of it ever. Maybe that is why you need to use double or triple the normal amount of flavorings.


Hold the presses...........”Vaper’s Tongue????”
Definition???? Description????
 

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Hold the presses...........”Vaper’s Tongue????”
Definition???? Description????

It's a bit of a misnomer. It's actually "quit smoking recently and years/decades of smoking have put my tastebuds into a coma" tongue. It's only vapers who vape an entire palette of flavors all the time who call it "vaper's tongue," and also those who have this idea that flavored mist should have as much flavor as actual food/drink. Usually changing up the flavor you're vaping will clear it up, or actually eating./drinking something, and drinking plenty of water is usually helpful too.

Worst case scenario, it should be gone by the next day.

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Hold the presses...........”Vaper’s Tongue????”
Definition???? Description????

In my situation, because I vape mostly one flavor constantly, sometimes I can't taste my juice. A lot of depends on the juice you're vaping and how much of it as well.

I vaped straight menthol juice the first two years after I quit smoking. It tasted like menthol in the little 5-6 watt pens/2-3 mls a day I was using all the way up to a dual battery device with a dual coil atty @ 75 - 80 watts and 10-15 mls a day. Now, my adv is a strawberry cheesecake I make myself. Most days I vape probably 30 mls of it and sometimes during the day, my tastebuds get used to it to the point it no longer tastes like strawberry cheesecake, it just tastes like sweet vapor. By vaping a different flavor/flavors for a while, the taste comes back on my preferred juice. My other main juice is a vanilla custard and I try to alternate between it and the cheesecake but I don't always.

I keep a small bottle of menthol juice mixed up and a little 20 watt mod/tank setup specifically for said menthol. During times of severe lack of taste or just for a change, I'll grab that little jewel and rip off a few pulls of menthol and after a few minutes I can go back to vaping the cheesecake and everything is right with the world again. :)
 

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I had my Alien shit out on me yesterday. It was my most used mod. I think I've had it a year and a half.I dropped it twice on asphalt this weekend (Not the first time lol). I swapped out the batteries and it never turned back on. I miss it already. I'm definitely getting another or even couple more. It was a solid workhorse for me.

RIP my old freind
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A lot of my stuff shouldn't work anymore from wear n tear and abuse. But this is the first one that has died and I have a bunch of Smok stuff.

Put some of it up in the beater mod challenge. Win some prizes off that abused gear.
 

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In my situation, because I vape mostly one flavor constantly, sometimes I can't taste my juice.

Same here, since I vape the same thing ALL the time. It's not the end of the world! If it doesn't taste BAD, that's good enough for me.

The worst case of it I ever had was when I started TRYING to *really taste* my vape. Suddenly I couldn't taste it at all. Which leads me to suspect that a lot of this so-called "vapers tongue" is all in the head. Most of us were DECADES loyal to our brand of cigarettes -- and we know how awful those things taste! As long as it tasted FAMILIAR, that was what we wanted.

Andria
 

AnkouSitan

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Same here, since I vape the same thing ALL the time. It's not the end of the world! If it doesn't taste BAD, that's good enough for me.

The worst case of it I ever had was when I started TRYING to *really taste* my vape. Suddenly I couldn't taste it at all. Which leads me to suspect that a lot of this so-called "vapers tongue" is all in the head. Most of us were DECADES loyal to our brand of cigarettes -- and we know how awful those things taste! As long as it tasted FAMILIAR, that was what we wanted.

Andria
Indeed, but those horrible little things destroy taste buds. So many flavors I get now that I stopped.
 

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Indeed, but those horrible little things destroy taste buds. So many flavors I get now that I stopped.

Well, things taste slightly more intensely than they did, but no real changes except I can no longer tolerate italian sausage on my pizza. :D But it's been a bit over 4 yrs since I quit smoking, without much change, so I suspect it's probably not going to get much better. I just don't have the patience for mixing 18 different flavorsof ejuice all the time; I mix up my one, and I'm happy with it, though sometimes the taste is mild, sometimes it's stronger. It's not the taste of burnt weeds, yet it keeps me from wanting the burnt weeds, so I'm happy with it.

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AnkouSitan

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Well, things taste slightly more intensely than they did, but no real changes except I can no longer tolerate italian sausage on my pizza. :D But it's been a bit over 4 yrs since I quit smoking, without much change, so I suspect it's probably not going to get much better. I just don't have the patience for mixing 18 different flavorsof ejuice all the time; I mix up my one, and I'm happy with it, though sometimes the taste is mild, sometimes it's stronger. It's not the taste of burnt weeds, yet it keeps me from wanting the burnt weeds, so I'm happy with it.

Andria
I completely agree.
 

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I mix a lot of different juices but I only vape 2 main flavors full time. I've got 2 main devices that I vape these juices in and a 3rd mod and rda that's only used for testing new flavors. Practically everything I mix is given away, save those 2 mixes. I'm on the hunt for a 3rd flavor profile to add to the two I have now. When I find it, I'll get me another rta or rdta and use that 3rd mod more. I'll still mix for the hobbiest aspect of it.

I know cigarettes are supposed to be nasty, but even now, after being quit for 3 years, I have to stay away from people smoking because the craving is strong if I don't. I love the smell of cigarette smoke and the only way I can beat it is to not be around it.
 

AnkouSitan

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I mix a lot of different juices but I only vape 2 main flavors full time. I've got 2 main devices that I vape these juices in and a 3rd mod and rda that's only used for testing new flavors. Practically everything I mix is given away, save those 2 mixes. I'm on the hunt for a 3rd flavor profile to add to the two I have now. When I find it, I'll get me another rta or rdta and use that 3rd mod more. I'll still mix for the hobbiest aspect of it.

I know cigarettes are supposed to be nasty, but even now, after being quit for 3 years, I have to stay away from people smoking because the craving is strong if I don't. I love the smell of cigarette smoke and the only way I can beat it is to not be around it.
Oh I could pick up a cigarette right now without hesitation. That want won’t go away I’m sure.
 

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A couple times since I quit, I smelled that "just lit" initial puff, and yeah, it smells way too good; I could follow that like it was the fucking Pied Piper. But only till the next puff, which smells like burning feces inside a burning tire. I did have a slight relapse when I was first almost 4 months smoke-free, a month back to dual use, and it was WAYYYYYYYY harder to put the stupid things down the 2nd time, so I'm pretty sure I won't try that again; I really enjoy being smoke-free, and having people tell me I smell like cotton candy beats the living hell out of them backing up 5 paces to escape my stinkweed fug. :D

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I have to agree. I finally quit because I didn’t think it was fair for my sweetie (non-smoker) to kiss an ash tray and I enjoy not smelling like it.

That, and the money saved, is why my husband is THRILLED BEYOND WORDS that I finally found a way to quit smoking. I know now just how much he loves me, to have put up with that shit for 27 yrs, the first 11 of which was indoors where we lived, and all 27, in our various vehicles. He's just fine with WHATEVER I take the urge to buy, vape-wise. I told him right from the start, when I discovered what a fantastic substitute it was for smoking, that I was going to have a lot of vape hardware. He asked why, I said so it's always easier for me to find something to vape, than run to the store for cigarettes. His response: "Excellent plan!" So now when I show him something vapish I wanna buy, he says, you mean you haven't ordered it yet? DO IT NOW! BUY 10 OF 'EM! :giggle:

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That’s what I first thought; Then after 37 years and two kids, my first wife decided that another man and drugs and alcohol were her solution to dealing with life.

It’s absolutely amazing to me how somebody you can know that long and that well, can go left of center like that.

So my word of caution is, be ready for what seems like the impossible. Nothing is a guarantee. Nothing is ironclad.

No doubt man no doubt. Same thing here after 20 years. She wanted to go through her second childhood and I didn't. But hey, life goes on. 5 years ago and I'm happy being alone now.
 

AnkouSitan

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That, and the money saved, is why my husband is THRILLED BEYOND WORDS that I finally found a way to quit smoking. I know now just how much he loves me, to have put up with that shit for 27 yrs, the first 11 of which was indoors where we lived, and all 27, in our various vehicles. He's just fine with WHATEVER I take the urge to buy, vape-wise. I told him right from the start, when I discovered what a fantastic substitute it was for smoking, that I was going to have a lot of vape hardware. He asked why, I said so it's always easier for me to find something to vape, than run to the store for cigarettes. His response: "Excellent plan!" So now when I show him something vapish I wanna buy, he says, you mean you haven't ordered it yet? DO IT NOW! BUY 10 OF 'EM! :giggle:

Andria
That is completely my love. She supports it without question.
 

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That, and the money saved, is why my husband is THRILLED BEYOND WORDS that I finally found a way to quit smoking. I know now just how much he loves me, to have put up with that shit for 27 yrs, the first 11 of which was indoors where we lived, and all 27, in our various vehicles. He's just fine with WHATEVER I take the urge to buy, vape-wise. I told him right from the start, when I discovered what a fantastic substitute it was for smoking, that I was going to have a lot of vape hardware. He asked why, I said so it's always easier for me to find something to vape, than run to the store for cigarettes. His response: "Excellent plan!" So now when I show him something vapish I wanna buy, he says, you mean you haven't ordered it yet? DO IT NOW! BUY 10 OF 'EM! :giggle:

Andria

I thought when I quit smoking and started vaping I was gonna save money too, and I did for a while. As long as I was vaping on an ego style pen and I could find Zigzag brand juice for 5 bucks a bottle. (Edit: I was vaping 6-10ml bottles a month @ $30 total as opposed to spending $50 a month for tobacco). After about a year I wanted something better, so that meant more juice. So I started DIY to "save money". Then I bought another mod and atty. That meant MORE juice, but that's ok because I make my own, right?

Well, then I decided I might like something besides menthol all the time so I started going to vape shops and trying juice. I started researching recipes online that I might like. That led to buying flavors. During this time, bought MORE gear! That means MORE juice. Now, I'm fairly new to mixing flavors other tham menthol and my favorite cheesecake so I've only got about 125 flavors. I've got 22 more in the cart right now, waiting on payday so I can check out.

So, I switched to vaping for health reasons and to save money. Before vaping I was spending about $50 a month on tobacco. Now I spend $60-$80 a month on flavors, plus the occasional bottle of nicotine, pg, and a gallon of vg here and there.

At least I got my health! :D
 
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I thought when I quit smoking and started vaping I was gonna save money too, and I did for a while. As long as I was vaping on an ego style pen and I could find Zigzag brand juice for 5 bucks a bottle. (Edit: I was vaping 6-10ml bottles a month @ $30 total as opposed to spending $50 a month for tobacco). After about a year I wanted something better, so that meant more juice. So I started DIY to "save money". Then I bought another mod and atty. That meant MORE juice, but that's ok because I make my own, right?

Well, then I decided I might like something besides menthol all the time so I started going to vape shops and trying juice. I started researching recipes online that I might like. That led to buying flavors. During this time, bought MORE gear! That means MORE juice. Now, I'm fairly new to mixing flavors other tham menthol and my favorite cheesecake so I've only got about 125 flavors. I've got 22 more in the cart right now, waiting on payday so I can check out.

So, I switched to vaping for health reasons and to save money. Before vaping I was spending about $50 a month on tobacco. Now I spend $60-$80 a month on flavors, plus the occasional bottle of nicotine, pg, and a gallon of vg here and there.

At least I got my health! :D

I still vape pretty much the same as when I started, though I use an RDA now, since 2015, so that was only about a year after I started; 9.5 to 10 watts, 2 ohm coils; my 30Q's last nearly a full 3 days in some of my mods. I have about 21 or 22 mods, though some are "vapocalypse stash", and even some of what I consider "current," I rarely ever use. Don;t have many atomizers; really just 2 that I consider worth the effort, and I generally only use one of those. I keep stocked on shisha strawberry, TFA DX Bavarian and Vanilla Swirl, CAP sweet cream, and of course, PG/VG and nic -- got about 3.5 liters of nic in the freezer. I spend maybe a hundred or two a YEAR. I used to spend $88 twice a month -- so my yearly expenditures now are roughly what I used to spend in a month. HUGE savings. I learned very early on that "moar moar moar vapor" wasn't how I wanted to vape -- all I need is roughly the same visible quantity as when I exhaled cigarette smoke, and solid TH. I've never understood this so-common desire for "huge clouds." Makes no sense to me at all.

Anyway, that hundred or two a year is for the various liquid supplies, and I try to buy a new mod or two, evey 6-12 months, just because electronics are neither immortal nor indestructible. I treat mine well, and it shows; even the 2 and 3 yr old ones still look pretty damn good.... but "shit happens" more frequently with vape gear than anything else I've ever seen. Now and then I may see an inexpensive atty I want to try; got a Coppervape Caiman v4 on the way right now.... but I mostly don't buy atomizers, since I require a super-tight draw, and that's like hen's teeth nowadays.

Vaping only one ejuice all the time also saves considerable money. I do mix up new things on rare occasions; something for my son, or a recipe I see around here that appeals to me.... but so far, only my very first DIY has stood the test of time -- I've been vaping that, with ever-decreasing levels of flavoring, since Dec 2014. I buy another pair of batteries every 6-12 months, so that when the oldest stop holding a good charge, it's no bother to simply retire and recycle them.

Just like anything else, vaping can be done expensively, or it can be done very cheaply. It's all choice. And choice is what makes vaping so great!

So, I switched to vaping for health reasons and to save money. Before vaping I was spending about $50 a month on tobacco. Now I spend $60-$80 a month on flavors, plus the occasional bottle of nicotine, pg, and a gallon of vg here and there.

I wanted to respond particularly to this. Someone around here, I think maybe it was @Rossum, said that if you compared roll-your-own tobacco to bought ejuice (or other expensive ejuice habits), then vaping doesn't save you money; you're comparing apples to oranges. But if you compare commercial cigarettes -- like the pk a day VA Slims I was spending $176/mo on -- to DIY *everything* with vaping (coils, wicks, and ejuice), then vaping saves a HELLACIOUS lot of money. Even if you compared commercial cigarettes to bought ejuice, you still save money, though not nearly as much.

Andria
 
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Over 20 mods?? At least now I don't feel so bad with my 16.
Oh, wait... :huh:
But a really good reason to stock up on more right now is the VERY scary proposition of no online sales, from the FDA fuckheads. (Will orders from China get through?? I fear the prices on mods and atties from local vape shops, if they would even still exist after all this FDA childishness.)

But as far as how much one follows the rabbit hole of flavorings... I'd it all depends on how much one wants/needs a new hobby, versus just wanting to save on juice. I'm disabled, so hobbies are an absolute MUST - otherwise I would get more :crazy: than I already am. So therefore, when the back benefits arrived - I splurged on ~$4,000 worth of flavorings (during 20%-off sales, no less) in 1/4/16oz sizes, and then transferring ALL to amber glass bottles with phenolic polycone caps for long-term storage. I'm about halfway done with the rebottling --- after which starts the organizing and location cataloging process. :gaah:
But still, even with the price of flavorings, bottles, caps, and divider boxes - it pales in comparison to what I would spend on smoking. Those flavors will last for YEARS, if not decades for some. And this might be what... 1.5 years of smoking?? After smoking an average of maybe ~1.5 PAD for over 20 years.

But for me, it's a 100% bonafide fulfilling hobby that I chose. I'm down to a main 0.5 - 1.5% nic, just for literal medicinal issues related to my disability - cognition, memory, and depression. When I accidentally or purposely leave my vape at home, I have NO nic cravings whatsoever anymore.
Soooooo, for me - 100% a chosen hobby - not nic addiction reasons.
 
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Same here, since I vape the same thing ALL the time. It's not the end of the world! If it doesn't taste BAD, that's good enough for me.

The worst case of it I ever had was when I started TRYING to *really taste* my vape. Suddenly I couldn't taste it at all. Which leads me to suspect that a lot of this so-called "vapers tongue" is all in the head. Most of us were DECADES loyal to our brand of cigarettes -- and we know how awful those things taste! As long as it tasted FAMILIAR, that was what we wanted.

Agree about the part of 'as long as it doesn't taste bad'. I hate-vape a lot of stuff that way, albeit usually in 3-5ml chunks. :)

But what is termed 'vaper's tongue' is actually a very real thing. It's due to receptor fatigue -- so it's 100% physiological. But frequently changing flavors allow those flavoring-component receptors to rest for a bit. So that's why that tends to work, except for those shared flavoring-components of the flavorings that are used.
 

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I wanted to respond particularly to this. Someone around here, I think maybe it was @Rossum, said that if you compared roll-your-own tobacco to bought ejuice (or other expensive ejuice habits), then vaping doesn't save you money; you're comparing apples to oranges. But if you compare commercial cigarettes -- like the pk a day VA Slims I was spending $176/mo on -- to DIY *everything* with vaping (coils, wicks, and ejuice), then vaping saves a HELLACIOUS lot of money. Even if you compared commercial cigarettes to bought ejuice, you still save money, though not nearly as much.

Andria

You're right about that. After the brand of cigarettes I was smoking made their major jump in price back in 2008 or so, I was spending a conservative $270 a month. $4.50 a pack X 2 packs a day. I vape around 30ml a day. I don't know how much that would be in commercial juice prices.
 

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You're right about that. After the brand of cigarettes I was smoking made their major jump in price back in 2008 or so, I was spending a conservative $270 a month. $4.50 a pack X 2 packs a day. I vape around 30ml a day. I don't know how much that would be in commercial juice prices.

About $10-$20 daily. :D Probably a good bit less if all purchases are made online, but that's a pig in a poke when it comes to ejuice; you probably end up spending -- wasting -- more than if you just went to a shop and taste-tested.

In a lot of ways, I'm very financially fortunate with my vaping style; since I absolutely require very high PG, I had to move in the DIY direction pretty quickly after i started, since it was probably about 6-9 months after I started that most commercial ejuices started moving to high-VG instead. Also, since I needed WTA to stay smoke-free after my little dual-use relapse, that also required DIY -- all the "WTA-infused" ejuices are very high VG. Add to all of those complications my extremely compromised tastebuds, and commercial ejuices, even those I could get in high-PG, just didn't do it for me; I was adding sweetener and additional flavoring before i started true DIY, so making the move to total DIY wasn't hard, and it really solved all those problems.

This is one aspect of what I mean when I say that if someone really wants to vape instead of smoke -- as I truly did! -- then they will find, or MAKE, a way to do it -- no, it's not terribly easy to work thru all that needs to be worked thru, for some of us, but it can be done if one is truly serious about vaping instead of smoking.

Andria
 

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Over 20 mods?? At least now I don't feel so bad with my 16.
Oh, wait... :huh:
But a really good reason to stock up on more right now is the VERY scary proposition of no online sales, from the FDA fuckheads. (Will orders from China get through?? I fear the prices on mods and atties from local vape shops, if they would even still exist after all this FDA childishness.)

This exactly... and also because of the extreme "shit happens" problem with vape gear. And I also like to play "matchy-matchy" with my mod, driptips, and clothing. :D


I'm down to a main 0.5 - 1.5% nic, just for literal medicinal issues related to my disability - cognition, memory, and depression. When I accidentally or purposely leave my vape at home, I have NO nic cravings whatsoever anymore.
Soooooo, for me - 100% a chosen hobby - not nic addiction reasons.

I got down to 3mg, and stayed there for a couple years... and have never once had any type of withdrawal symptoms from just nicotine, only when I was systematically weaning off of WTA -- that was much harder than lowering nicotine. But in the last 6-12 months, I started noticing that I was suffering that annoying "tip of the tongue" problem a LOT -- vocabulary or articulation has never been a problem for me, usually I can think of 5-10 words for any given thing I care to say, but when you start having to pause in the middle of conversations because the right word just will not come -- and you're only 57 yrs old! -- then you have to wonder why. So I started slowly going back up, intending to get back to about 5mg.

I'm at about 4.5mg now, and it does seem to be helping; I don't seem to have nearly as many 'senior moments' as I was having there for a while. I don't think that really qualifies as "addiction withdrawal," since I was experiencing zero malaise or moodiness -- and back in Feb when I had the flu, I didn't vape at all for nearly 2 wks, and had zero withdrawal-type symptoms. I think it's probably just that I started using nicotine at such a young age (not quite 14), and used it for so many years (39 before I found vaping), my brain just got used to a certain level of nicotine... and while I can certainly live very happily without it at this point, my brain just seems to work better WITH it... and 3mg just wasn't quite enough.

Andria
 

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About $10-$20 daily. :D Probably a good bit less if all purchases are made online, but that's a pig in a poke when it comes to ejuice; you probably end up spending -- wasting -- more than if you just went to a shop and taste-tested.

In a lot of ways, I'm very financially fortunate with my vaping style; since I absolutely require very high PG, I had to move in the DIY direction pretty quickly after i started, since it was probably about 6-9 months after I started that most commercial ejuices started moving to high-VG instead. Also, since I needed WTA to stay smoke-free after my little dual-use relapse, that also required DIY -- all the "WTA-infused" ejuices are very high VG. Add to all of those complications my extremely compromised tastebuds, and commercial ejuices, even those I could get in high-PG, just didn't do it for me; I was adding sweetener and additional flavoring before i started true DIY, so making the move to total DIY wasn't hard, and it really solved all those problems.

This is one aspect of what I mean when I say that if someone really wants to vape instead of smoke -- as I truly did! -- then they will find, or MAKE, a way to do it -- no, it's not terribly easy to work thru all that needs to be worked thru, for some of us, but it can be done if one is truly serious about vaping instead of smoking.

Andria

I agree with you 100%. If a person sincerely wants to quit smoking, they'll find a way to make it work. I went through several stages of vaping to get whrre I am now. First, disposable cig-a-likes, then rechargeable with replaceable cartos, then the EGO style pen, the Eleaf iStick Basic, and finally my first real mod, my Hohmwrecker G2 with an rda.

Vaping didn't really do it for me until I got my EGo pen. It was the first thing I found to produce enough vapor to replace smoking. Even then it was tough. That first week away from tobacco, I feel like the only way I made it was because I was out of tobacco and couldn't get any. Being in a wheelchair was a benefit to me in that respect. I could have sent my wife to the tobacco store, but I also wanted the respect of my family so I made it work.

People who have never smoked, or even those who haven't smoked for years (46 in my case) can not understand just how much power tobacco wields over us. I don't think a drug addict would have a harder time in some respects kicking the habit.

Truth be known, I could get by a lot cheaper than I do. Right now I'm perfectly happy with my strawberry cheesecake and if that's all I had, I could vape it exclusively. Probably 90% of what I mix is given away because I'm so picky about my juice. I have 1 more custard juice I alternate with my cheesecake and I'm on a quest to find one more adv simply so I don't get sick of my main love.

Being involved in the hobby side of mixing is my choice and I'm sure I came off like an asshole in my post above but I didn't mean to. It was supposed to be a humorously sarcastic view of my descent down the rabbit hole that is vaping. I completely blew it there and I apologize.

For a long time my view of vaping centered on either tobacco or menthol - what is the sense of all these foo foo flavors! I only got interested in anything other than menthol about 4 months or so ago. Now, I get it! I don't know how far down the rabbit hole I'll go, but it's sure to be an interesting journey! :)
 

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I agree with you 100%. If a person sincerely wants to quit smoking, they'll find a way to make it work. I went through several stages of vaping to get whrre I am now. First, disposable cig-a-likes, then rechargeable with replaceable cartos, then the EGO style pen, the Eleaf iStick Basic, and finally my first real mod, my Hohmwrecker G2 with an rda.

Vaping didn't really do it for me until I got my EGo pen. It was the first thing I found to produce enough vapor to replace smoking. Even then it was tough. That first week away from tobacco, I feel like the only way I made it was because I was out of tobacco and couldn't get any. Being in a wheelchair was a benefit to me in that respect. I could have sent my wife to the tobacco store, but I also wanted the respect of my family so I made it work.

The first time around, in Feb 2014, for me it was like falling off a log, with my eRoll cigalike, so very similar to smoking, even with the mouth tingle and flavor; I went from dual-use to smoke-free in about 3 wks time. The 2nd time was harder; I kept waiting for smoking to just "fall away" the way it did the first time, and that wasn't happening; I finally realized that I must have actually made some kind of effort for that to happen, but it was so novel when it happened the first time, it didn't seem like any effort was involved. But it didn't happen the 2nd time until i consciously chose that I just wasn't going to smoke anymore, but just vape -- and then 10 days later, the godawful cravings (which had caused the relapse in the first place) came back. Thank god I had already acquired some WTA, so I tried it out, adding it to my ejuice one morning -- and late that night, I realized I'd had no cravings all day. A freakin miracle! :D

People who have never smoked, or even those who haven't smoked for years (46 in my case) can not understand just how much power tobacco wields over us. I don't think a drug addict would have a harder time in some respects kicking the habit.

Completely agree! I went cold turkey off c*ke, and later, cold turkey off booze... but there was no chance in hell I'd have been able to quit smoking, till vaping came along. Tried and failed 4 times, and had completely given up on any idea of quitting -- didn't even plan on quitting nor even have it in mind, when I started vaping; just wanted something to use indoors on really cold nights. The terrific substitution of vaping for smoking took me completely by surprise, but I realized I'd be a plain damn fool if I didn't at least TRY, I'd wanted to be a non-smoker for the last 30 yrs of the 39 I smoked.

Being involved in the hobby side of mixing is my choice and I'm sure I came off like an asshole in my post above but I didn't mean to. It was supposed to be a humorously sarcastic view of my descent down the rabbit hole that is vaping. I completely blew it there and I apologize.

For a long time my view of vaping centered on either tobacco or menthol - what is the sense of all these foo foo flavors! I only got interested in anything other than menthol about 4 months or so ago. Now, I get it! I don't know how far down the rabbit hole I'll go, but it's sure to be an interesting journey! :)

I don't recall anything assholish. :D Vaping really can go either way -- Crazy Chef posted a msg the other about someone selling a $3k silver mod. :giggle:

I felt very similar for quite a long time after I started vaping, that "smoking food" was the very definition of WEIRD. But when I was trying to get back to smoke-free, I tried some fruity vapes at a local shop... and both the pineapple and the blueberry muffin just completely won me over. I think I only tolerated my Virginia vape about another week, and went completely into fruits and desserts. :) Now, to me, tobacco vapes taste sorta like soured laundry that got left in the washer overnight. :giggle:

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E6A3BDC2-4470-4FE9-ADD2-2F24A24FE0D4.jpeg This is addiction. This is just the not in use drawer. Not included are the 2 Pulse 80s and 2 Aegis 100s. I have issues.
 

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View attachment 121012 This is addiction. This is just the not in use drawer. Not included are the 2 Pulse 80s and 2 Aegis 100s. I have issues.
Damn, I only wish my drawer looked like that. For now just makin it by on 1 mod and hopefully my Innokin Movkin with a rigged door soon. Geez tax refunds cant come quick enough!

Btw, whats the red one? Looks familiar but I cant put a name on it.
 

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Yeah even some of my friends quit and their reason was "I just needed/wanted to smoke". Nowadays with nicotine salts and pod devices, transitioning to vaping is easier than before but you also need the willingness to want to quit smoking cigarettes.

Most people that I have seen who went back to smoking from vaping just got sick of buying $5 coils and going through 30 ml of e-liquid every day. I understand what they're feeling because at those rates, you're not saving any money. As the mouth to lung vaping style is becoming popular again, I set them up with a 30 or 40 watt setup with a nice tight draw tank that uses $2 coils and they come right back to vaping happily again. They get the nicotine they need, the throat hit they desire, and the flavors keep them coming back. All for around $40 total initial investment. Not every new vaper needs a 200 watt mod with a .15 ohm atomizer chucking huge clouds, some people just want a change from the coffin nails...that's all.
 

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Most people that I have seen who went back to smoking from vaping just got sick of buying $5 coils and going through 30 ml of e-liquid every day. I understand what they're feeling because at those rates, you're not saving any money. As the mouth to lung vaping style is becoming popular again, I set them up with a 30 or 40 watt setup with a nice tight draw tank that uses $2 coils and they come right back to vaping happily again. They get the nicotine they need, the throat hit they desire, and the flavors keep them coming back. All for around $40 total initial investment. Not every new vaper needs a 200 watt mod with a .15 ohm atomizer chucking huge clouds, some people just want a change from the coffin nails...that's all.
100% Agreed. Vaping is becoming very affordable these days especially now with the popularity of salts and pod devices. A 30ml 35mg/50mg juice will keep you busy for a while and give you the proper nic satisfaction and because of how long it lasts, ~$20 per bottle is reasonable. Then you could get a pod device which isn't overly expensive in comparison to normal mods or one could get a 40w or so mod and a MTL Tank.

I've been PIF'd my pod device and it seems to be working with the guy that has it now. He was a smoker of around 20 years and failed trying to quit using ecigs before but now with salts he managed to transition much easier. He says its still difficult at the beginning but now the cigarette craving isn't as strong.
 

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None of my coils cost $5 a piece, not even the gold plated ones. Plus most last weeks or 100's of MLs when used properly. You must shop wisely for coils and if going through 30 MLs a day you have to also shop for better prices because right on this forum there are deals posted daily for 100-120 for $10 or less. Now if you are one of the people I see paying $5 for them to screw in a new coil, then it is time to RTFM. Just my thoughts and opinion based on personal experience.
 

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Most people that I have seen who went back to smoking from vaping just got sick of buying $5 coils and going through 30 ml of e-liquid every day. I understand what they're feeling because at those rates, you're not saving any money. As the mouth to lung vaping style is becoming popular again, I set them up with a 30 or 40 watt setup with a nice tight draw tank that uses $2 coils and they come right back to vaping happily again. They get the nicotine they need, the throat hit they desire, and the flavors keep them coming back. All for around $40 total initial investment. Not every new vaper needs a 200 watt mod with a .15 ohm atomizer chucking huge clouds, some people just want a change from the coffin nails...that's all.

Terrific advice! And building your own coils, and DIYing your own ejuice, makes the cost-savings absolutely mindblowing. Obviously folks won't be doing those things right off the bat, but once you determine that vaping really works (to satisfy the craving for smoking), you can ease into it very inexpensively -- a spool of wire for $5, a pkg of cotton pads for $10, both of which will last quite a long time -- and with DIY, you don't have to start with massive quantities; I bought nicotine in 120ml sizes for a couple years, and PG/VG in 16oz bottles, before I got into it so much that I started buying much larger quantities. The flavors themselves are dirt cheap compared to ejuice!

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Vaping at the start when it’s shiny and new is really expensive if you have shinyitis, but I’ve found after you get into then it’s and bolts of it and find great places like this it becomes better. I haven’t bought a new mod in a couple of weeks, just because I can get my fix trading here.
 

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Anything can be expensive if you use it as a method of therapy. Vaping absolutely does NOT have to be expensive. I spend in about a year what I used to spend in a MONTH on cigarettes.

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Agreed. I spent a ton in the first few months and still more than I should, but it keeps me away from cigs.
 

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I've been vaping for a bit over 4 1/2 yrs... and I doubt very much if I've spent even $3000 on it. But look at how much I HAVEN'T spent on cigarettes... over $9000.

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I used to spend in a MONTH on cigarettes.

I spent the equivalent of one weeks worth of Marlboro Reds on my first MOD and still using it 4 years later. Anything with an initial investment can be costly but if you figure what that MOD actually cost to own it is less than what a single cigarette would cost. Just my new math you must remember........



Edit: I just did some quick math and about the same as an ML of DIY E-Liquid 5 Cents a day...
 

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View attachment 121012 This is addiction. This is just the not in use drawer. Not included are the 2 Pulse 80s and 2 Aegis 100s. I have issues.
I see a Thinkvape Thor in there. Is your as light as mine? I recently won one in a contest. The first thing I noticed was the weight. I was reading about the new Voopoo Vmate. It was kind of making a deal about how light it weighs, 100 grams. Out of curiosity I weighed my Thor tonight. It was just under 68 grams lol.
 

AnkouSitan

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I see a Thinkvape Thor in there. Is your as light as mine? I recently won one in a contest. The first thing I noticed was the weight. I was reading about the new Voopoo Vmate. It was kind of making a deal about how light it weighs, 100 grams. Out of curiosity I weighed my Thor tonight. It was just under 68 grams lol.
It is light. Still fun to use.
 

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Yeah we are addicted.......
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