I need help fellow vapers. - DIY Nic Salt

5150sick · Oct 9, 2018

I have a ton of regular nic base and have read it can be converted into nic salt base.

I love these little pod devices for going out and about.

They are small, convenient, and less obnoxious for when situations require me to appear as normal as possible.

But I feel like an asshole every time I buy a 30ml of 25mg/ml salt nic eliquid for $18.

So I hear that the key is benzoic acid so my first question would naturally be:

Is it as simple as adding benzoic acid to regular nicotine base?

Thanks in advance

pulsevape · Oct 9, 2018

yeah it's about that simple...you need to find the purest benzoic acid you can....there is a couple of videos on youtube about how to remove impurities from benzoic acid...you can also use citric acid,although I;ve heard claims that the citirc acid tends to gunk coils quicker than free base. I can't testify to that from experince though...ECF has a couple of threads on making your own nic salts, from everything I've read it's mostly about adding enough acid to change the ph level to a level that smooths out the throat hit. I think a high quality ph tester would come in handy, though alot of people just use percentage levels and math rather than actually testing the ph of the finished product. There is also a thread here on VU discussing how to add benzoic acid to free base nic to make nic salts.

Hey..you can buy 100mg nic salt base to DIY your juice..from Nude Nicotine and Nic river...I think you can get 50ml of 100mg nic salts for like 10.00...I buy Smooth nic salt base from NN.

https://www.nudenicotine.com/nicotine-salt-formulations/

VelvetA · Oct 10, 2018

5150sick said:
Is it as simple as adding benzoic acid to regular nicotine base?

Pretty much, others use citric acid instead. Here's a quick rundown from reddit:

the recipe is from the old Vermont Vapers. First you make a 1:1 Solution with the CA:

Citric Acid Solution (06/2009)
1 g Citric Acid USP (anhydrous)
1 ml Distilled Water

I make 60-120mL of this at a time. Take 60mL of distilled water and heat to 120F. Add 60grams of CA powder and stir to dissolve. When it cools down, pour into your dispensing bottle and you're ready to mix. (Note: you can dissolve the CA into PG if you prefer but it's harder to mix and it's such a small amt in a final product, I went with DW)

For the calculation, using 100mg Nic:

0.0007566 x (total mg of Nic). ie if I were going to make 100mL of 50mg, I would add 3.78mL of the 1:1 CA Solution.

it may sound like a lot of bother but it really only takes about 3 minutes and then you just mix your recipes as usual.

5150sick · Oct 10, 2018

OK, let's pretend like I have exactly 100ml of 100mg/ml (10%) nicotine base.

How much benzoic acid would I add to make everything work out the way it's supposed to?

Is there anything else I need to do before or after adding the benzoic acid?

Also, The final, most important question:

If I fuck up and I add a little too much or a little too little benzoic acid then what's the worse thing that can happen?

On a scale of 1 to 10
With 1 being "ruin the nic" and 10 being "die from that shit"

5150sick · Oct 10, 2018

pulsevape said:
Hey..you can buy 100mg nic salt base to DIY your juice..from Nude Nicotine and Nic river...I think you can get 50ml of 100mg nic salts for like 10.00...I buy Smooth nic salt base from NN.

https://www.nudenicotine.com/nicotine-salt-formulations/

I'm going to end up buying some eventually but I am looking at 250mg/ml that is 100% PG based.

I use 2.5% nic salt eliquid so that would work out perfectly by the time I add flavoring I can get a 40/60 PG/VG mix or higher.

I have so much regular 10% nic base just laying around and was thinking about giving it a shot.

I have some smaller 100ml nic bottles that I would want to try it with.

pulsevape · Oct 10, 2018

5150sick said:
I'm going to end up buying some eventually but I am looking at 250mg/ml that is 100% PG based.

I use 2.5% nic salt eliquid so that would work out perfectly by the time I add flavoring I can get a 40/60 PG/VG mix or higher.

I have so much regular 10% nic base just laying around and was thinking about giving it a shot.

I have some smaller 100ml nic bottles that I would want to try it with.

ah just sell that old nic base to some unsuspecting noob....they won't know the difference.......I JOKE< I JOKE...don't want the mods on my ass.Actually I want to make my own nic salts as well I like Carolina extract nic and I'd like to be able to choose which nic I use in my nic salts.

5150sick · Oct 10, 2018

With the nic salt it would even be nice to up the nic on my sub ohm devices to 6mg/ml to 9mg/ml

Wherever I find the throat hit to be the same as a 3mg/ml regular nic.

DogMan · Oct 10, 2018

5150sick said:
If I fuck up and I add a little too much or a little too little benzoic acid then what's the worse thing that can happen?
On a scale of 1 to 10
With 1 being "ruin the nic" and 10 being "die from that shit"

nothing bad will happen

nude nic sell 3 blends of differing PH levels

you might even find you prefer your either a little acidic or a little alkaline

Smoky Blue · Oct 10, 2018

5150sick said:
With the nic salt it would even be nice to up the nic on my sub ohm devices to 6mg/ml to 9mg/ml

Wherever I find the throat hit to be the same as a 3mg/ml regular nic.

Hey you!

@FrostyMtl has that nic salt thread here... and the threads on ecf, you dont have to sign in!

but for a 3mg th.. I use between a 9mg and a 12mg. I tried to play with it once, but I got sidetracked.

I also use liquid nicotine wholesalers, plus I can order some from my lab.

MWorthington · Oct 14, 2018

5150sick said:
I have a ton of regular nic base and have read it can be converted into nic salt base.

I love these little pod devices for going out and about.

They are small, convenient, and less obnoxious for when situations require me to appear as normal as possible.

But I feel like an asshole every time I buy a 30ml of 25mg/ml salt nic eliquid for $18.

So I hear that the key is benzoic acid so my first question would naturally be:

Is it as simple as adding benzoic acid to regular nicotine base?

Thanks in advance

$18 for 30ml? Take a look here: https://www.nicotineriver.com/colle...0mg-smooth-nicotine-salts?variant=38177256910

Just Frank · Oct 14, 2018

MWorthington said:
$18 for 30ml? Take a look here: https://www.nicotineriver.com/colle...0mg-smooth-nicotine-salts?variant=38177256910

Already made juice that has salt nic instead of regular nic, costs twice as much from what I've seen.

SteveS45 · Oct 14, 2018

pulsevape said:
I think a high quality ph tester would come in handy, though alot of people just use percentage levels and math rather than actually testing the ph of the finished product.

This is what I consider totally reckless Vaping when someone decides it is what it is because they did something. Sure vape some unknown Acid why not? One of these will make it into 5150's posts about the BAD..................

pulsevape · Oct 14, 2018

SteveS45 said:
This is what I consider totally reckless Vaping when someone decides it is what it is because they did something. Sure vape some unknown Acid why not? Oneof these will make it into 5150's posts about the BAD..................

how much research have you done into nic salts?

SteveS45 · Oct 14, 2018

pulsevape said:
how much research have you done into nic salts?

Has nothing to do with the amount of research I have done it has to do with people Vaping something they never tested at least one time to check their final product. Argue all you want the fact remains it is UNTESTED.

pulsevape · Oct 14, 2018

SteveS45 said:
Has nothing to do with the amount of research I have done it has to do with people Vaping something they never tested at least one time to check their final product. Argue all you want the fact remains it is UNTESTED.

so that would be you have done zero research into nic salts...... gottcha.

SteveS45 · Oct 14, 2018

pulsevape said:
so that would be you have done zero research into nic salts...... gottcha.

NO that would be what you ASSUME and not actually what should be understood as what I said. You just want to argue and be right so have a good fucking night. NO Testing is NO Testing and vaping whatever the hell it is. Yeah smart huh?

pulsevape · Oct 14, 2018

SteveS45 said:
NO that would be what you ASSUME and not actually what should be understood as what I said. You just want to argue and be right so have a good fucking night. NO Testing is NO Testing and vaping whatever the hell it is. Yeah smart huh?

cool don't use them then...but from everything I've read the only danger that the experts could find with the idea of vaping nic salts is that people would get too addictied to high levels of nicotine...that was their big fear of using nic salts....as for testing lots of us were vaping long before the "testing" was done...people have to choose for themselves read available information and make as informed a decision as possible...but fear mongering is not productive.

SteveS45 · Oct 14, 2018

pulsevape said:
cool don't use them then...but from everything I've read the only danger that the experts could find with the idea of vaping nic salts is that people would get too addictied to high levels of nicotine...that was their big fear of using nic salts....as for testing lots of us were vaping long before the "testing" was done...people have to choose for themselves read available information and make as informed a decision as possible...but fear mongering is not productive.

See you prove my statement because it is only what you want to believe you comprehend. I was talking about people making their own UNTESTED Salts and you go off on your own tangent because I wasn't talking about retail salts. Go away already and stop quoting me.

Bigrick · Oct 14, 2018

5150sick said:
I have a ton of regular nic base and have read it can be converted into nic salt base.

I love these little pod devices for going out and about.

They are small, convenient, and less obnoxious for when situations require me to appear as normal as possible.

But I feel like an asshole every time I buy a 30ml of 25mg/ml salt nic eliquid for $18.

So I hear that the key is benzoic acid so my first question would naturally be:

Is it as simple as adding benzoic acid to regular nicotine base?

Thanks in advance

Hey I want to make some Nic salts as well. I have some hundred mg per mil nude nicotine and if it is easy enough would like to convert it to Nick salts. Is there someone available who can like post the procedure. like one do this, to do that, 3 this is the result comma Etc. I need a broken down real simple. As I am a simple sort of dude. I am sure many would benefit from this information. Thank you for your time, God bless, and May the force be with you.

pulsevape · Oct 14, 2018

SteveS45 said:
See you prove my statement because it is only what you want to believe you comprehend. I was talking about people making their own UNTESTED Salts and you go off on your own tangent because I wasn't talking about retail salts. Go away already and stop quoting me.

you haven't done any research into the subject at all....and though I'm sure all vapers share your concerns, which are very admirable... why not take a little time to learn about nic salts before going medival. I can think of no other medical researcher who has done more work on the subject of vaping than Dr Farsalinos, this is an article he wrote concerning nic salts....we are all gambeling vaping , it is a new and unknown practice.... but maybe you'd trust the FDA to come in and test nic salts? you wanna do that....after all you can trust the US goverment......right.

http://ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/2017/252-benz

SteveS45 · Oct 14, 2018

pulsevape said:
you haven't done any research into the subject at all....

I have done plenty of research which is why I chose not to vape Nic Salts but again you just assume what you want to believe so you can argue. I never said I never did research but you are such a dick all you do is argue and believe whatever the hell you want at the time. Next thread you change your stance and you are what I call a freaking poser. Maybe just a freaking Troll. Can you just STFU and GFY already?

pulsevape · Oct 14, 2018

SteveS45 said:
I have done plenty of research which is why I chose not to vape Nic Salts but again you just assume what you want to believe so you can argue. I never said I never did research but you are such a dick all you do is argue and believe whatever the hell you want at the time. Next thread you change your stance and you are what I call a freaking poser. Maybe just a freaking Troll. Can you just STFU and GFY already?

maybe you're..... insane....I've offered you researched paper from a respected doctor and all you have offered is frothing at the mouth lunacy.

MagicJosh · Oct 15, 2018

Hope you get the help you need. I like that nic salt from Nicotine river the ''hit'' version. Its got a nice thraot kick and a smooth exhale. I would suggest just buying some new nic thats fresh and not messing with it.

5150sick · Oct 15, 2018

I learned a lot at this thread that @Smoky Blue suggested:

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diy-nic-salts.325431/

I gathered that the benzoic acid to nicotine ratio is 3:4

I'm not saying i'm ready to go messing around with it.

I am interested in reading through the thread but have only made it to page 2 so far

I would suggest anyone else interested in this topic that hasn't already checked out the thread do so because these people seem to know what they are talking about.

The funny thing is that i'm a mod and I should have replied to my own OP with "Use the search feature dumbass" :facepalm:

MWorthington · Oct 15, 2018

MWorthington · Oct 15, 2018

Just Frank said:
Already made juice that has salt nic instead of regular nic, costs twice as much from what I've seen.

No, this is 100mg/ml nic salt in pg base. 250ml for $16.99.

https://www.nicotineriver.com/colle...0mg-smooth-nicotine-salts?variant=38177352014

bobnat · Oct 15, 2018

5150sick said:
The funny thing is that i'm a mod and I should have replied to my own OP with "Use the search feature dumbass"

Bullshit! You're one of the most helpful people on this site and I believe the news you provide is extremely useful to all of us. If we can't cut you some slack, no one else deserves it.

I'm in the same boat as you, three years of nic in freezer and coming to the end of my nic salt. Once I get some acid I'll just start really small, 20ml of nic and then hone in on the ph level I like. I'll keep you updated once I get going.

Lotus Insane · Oct 15, 2018

Love the banter guys :slowclap:

I am in the position of just reading the information, for the sake of knowledge. Happy to just buy nic salts instead of attempting to convert my own, of course till it will become necessary at some point. Till then, knowledge is a good thing.

Oh, on the subject of nic salts though. Was happy with Nic Select salts from Nicotine River, though unhappy now since they don't carry nic select and went to their own recipe. I can taste the difference, and it's not pleasant in comparison to the original Nic Select version. My 2 ¢ .

pulsevape said:
maybe you're..... insane

I am, but no one cares. *smiles*

And with that, I hope you all have a pleasant morning.

DogMan · Oct 15, 2018

Way back, when we did DIY salts before juul gave salts a title. We used all sorts of acids. I liked 1% apple cider vinegar, which only slightly effects ph

Others dissolved bicarb, to go the other way and get stronger throat hit

MWorthington · Oct 15, 2018

Just Frank said:
Already made juice that has salt nic instead of regular nic, costs twice as much from what I've seen.

My apologies. I see what you're saying now. Ok, I'm outa here!

5150sick · Oct 16, 2018

The people in the thread I posted above were going off of the juul patent which is WAY out of my league comprehension wise.

Here is the patent

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...968.PGNR.&OS=DN/20160044968&RS=DN/20160044968

Since juul has the patent on this formulation and if you read the patent its so broad that I think that this patent would cover all nic salts that aren't DIY.

Do you guys think this is right?
Does juul basically have the patent on salt nic?

5150sick · Oct 16, 2018

bobnat said:
Bullshit! You're one of the most helpful people on this site and I believe the news you provide is extremely useful to all of us. If we can't cut you some slack, no one else deserves it.

I'm in the same boat as you, three years of nic in freezer and coming to the end of my nic salt. Once I get some acid I'll just start really small, 20ml of nic and then hone in on the ph level I like. I'll keep you updated once I get going.

Thank you for your help.

I have a few 100ml bottles of 100% PG 100mg/ml HiLiq nic.

When (If) I feel comfortable I will use one of those

I have a 250ml of HiLiq 200mg/ml nic in 100%VG that I would want to do as well if I do it and get good at it.

I also have 2 liters of VapersTek nic in my main kitchen freezer that I am hanging on to.
Nic seems to last forever in the freezer as long as it's 100% PG base and you never open it.

It would be VERY good to know how to do this for when the FDA "bans" salt nic.

The FDA won't even be the ones to want to mess with it but I have a feeling since juul sued to force the FDA to ban post 08/08/2016 pods that fit the juul and it worked then why wouldn't juul sue the FDA to take all of the unpatented salt nic off the market too?

Especially if those new empty refillable juul pods that recently hit the market go mainstream.

bobnat · Oct 16, 2018

I've been looking at HiLiq for my next order. Are you satisfied with their nic?

DogMan · Oct 16, 2018

bobnat said:
I've been looking at HiLiq for my next order. Are you satisfied with their nic?

they are really inconsistent

some batches are faultless, others unvapable

bobnat · Oct 16, 2018

DogMan said:
they are really inconsistent

some batches are faultless, others unvapable

That's too bad. Thanks.

Smoky Blue · Oct 17, 2018

5150sick said:
I learned a lot at this thread that @Smoky Blue suggested:

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/diy-nic-salts.325431/

I gathered that the benzoic acid to nicotine ratio is 3:4

I'm not saying i'm ready to go messing around with it.

I am interested in reading through the thread but have only made it to page 2 so far

I would suggest anyone else interested in this topic that hasn't already checked out the thread do so because these people seem to know what they are talking about.

The funny thing is that i'm a mod and I should have replied to my own OP with "Use the search feature dumbass"

I was not going to say that, 510 but yes, its a really good read, and hope everyone that uses or thinks of trying to make theirs takes a read on @Frosty 's thread

Smoky Blue · Oct 17, 2018

5150sick said:
The people in the thread I posted above were going off of the juul patent which is WAY out of my league comprehension wise.

Here is the patent

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...968.PGNR.&OS=DN/20160044968&RS=DN/20160044968

Since juul has the patent on this formulation and if you read the patent its so broad that I think that this patent would cover all nic salts that aren't DIY.

Do you guys think this is right?
Does juul basically have the patent on salt nic?

I do believe that would be pax labs, and they actually own the Juul logo and all.

5150sick said:
Thank you for your help.

I have a few 100ml bottles of 100% PG 100mg/ml HiLiq nic.

When (If) I feel comfortable I will use one of those

I have a 250ml of HiLiq 200mg/ml nic in 100%VG that I would want to do as well if I do it and get good at it.

I also have 2 liters of VapersTek nic in my main kitchen freezer that I am hanging on to.
Nic seems to last forever in the freezer as long as it's 100% PG base and you never open it.

It would be VERY good to know how to do this for when the FDA "bans" salt nic.

The FDA won't even be the ones to want to mess with it but I have a feeling since juul sued to force the FDA to ban post 08/08/2016 pods that fit the juul and it worked then why wouldn't juul sue the FDA to take all of the unpatented salt nic off the market too?

Especially if those new empty refillable juul pods that recently hit the market go mainstream.

I used to do a lot of nic salt testing, from various labs. My lab is a big supplier too.
The only one that is available publicly that I can refer people, and that I do still enjoy is this one..

5150sick · Oct 18, 2018

Smoky Blue said:
I do believe that would be pax labs, and they actually own the Juul logo and all.

I used to do a lot of nic salt testing, from various labs. My lab is a big supplier too.
The only one that is available publicly that I can refer people, and that I do still enjoy is this one..

That's the one I was planning on getting the 250mg/ml nic salt base from in the future.

I use 2.5% nic in my pod style devices so the math would be much easier that way.

It would make up 10% of my final mix.
Easy peasy.

I guess 100mg/ml would do the job but then it will be 25% of the mix.
I always get PG based nic (except once and i regret it. it is pink) since I have heard it lasts longer.

By the time I add flavoring (let's say 15% total) and nic It would be impossible to have more VG than a 40/60 PG/VG

That would be fine I guess.

Would you go for the 25% salt nic base?
I'm thinking more nic in a smaller space = a happy freezer

5150sick · Oct 18, 2018

DogMan said:
they are really inconsistent

some batches are faultless, others unvapable

That really sucks because I must have got some from the good batch.

By any chance have you tried the VG based nic from there?

I got some of the 100 mg/ml PG based 100ml bottles (the $9.99 ones) and they are all great.

A few months later I got a 250ml bottle of 200mg/ml nic in VG and it's pink.
I haven't even attempted to open it yet.

It just doesn't look right but it was the first and only time I ever ordered nic in VG base so for all I know it may be normal.

DogMan · Oct 18, 2018

5150sick said:
That really sucks because I must have got some from the good batch.

By any chance have you tried the VG based nic from there?

I got some of the 100 mg/ml PG based 100ml bottles (the $9.99 ones) and they are all great.

A few months later I got a 250ml bottle of 200mg/ml nic in VG and it's pink.
I haven't even attempted to open it yet.

It just doesn't look right but it was the first and only time I ever ordered nic in VG base so for all I know it may be normal.

i haven't, but you just spoiled a theory from another place that the 200mg is usually the better bet

5150sick · Oct 18, 2018

DogMan said:
i haven't, but you just spoiled a theory from another place that the 200mg is usually the better bet

It probably is the better bet in PG base.

5150sick · Oct 18, 2018

They need to get their shit straight.
And they need to start selling diy nic salt base too.

if FDA decides to get shitty they are the only non us vendor that i trust to not send me poison.

bobnat · Oct 18, 2018

5150sick said:
They need to get their shit straight.
And they need to start selling diy nic salt base too.

if FDA decides to get shitty they are the only non us vendor that i trust to not send me poison.

It was just a few months ago that HiLiq posted either here or at ELR about trialing or testing Salt Nic. I sent them an email recently asking about it, but no reply, yet. From what I've read they're popular with the Aussies. For me, getting Nic from the US is problematic, as most companies won't ship to the ME. Plus, there is the small matter of customs. HiLiq told me last year that they would accomodate me in this matter. Being purely capitalistic can surely have its benefits.

Smoky Blue · Oct 18, 2018

5150sick said:
That's the one I was planning on getting the 250mg/ml nic salt base from in the future.

I use 2.5% nic in my pod style devices so the math would be much easier that way.

It would make up 10% of my final mix.
Easy peasy.

I guess 100mg/ml would do the job but then it will be 25% of the mix.
I always get PG based nic (except once and i regret it. it is pink) since I have heard it lasts longer.

By the time I add flavoring (let's say 15% total) and nic It would be impossible to have more VG than a 40/60 PG/VG

That would be fine I guess.

Would you go for the 25% salt nic base?
I'm thinking more nic in a smaller space = a happy freezer

the 250mg is fine.. no issues there cutting it.

5150sick said:
That really sucks because I must have got some from the good batch.

By any chance have you tried the VG based nic from there?

I got some of the 100 mg/ml PG based 100ml bottles (the $9.99 ones) and they are all great.

A few months later I got a 250ml bottle of 200mg/ml nic in VG and it's pink.
I haven't even attempted to open it yet.

It just doesn't look right but it was the first and only time I ever ordered nic in VG base so for all I know it may be normal.

They must be still formatting, 5150.... it might be a while.
I was a tester for their nic salt too.. yeah.. ouch.
Stick with the company I linked.

Letitia9 · Oct 18, 2018

5150sick said:
That's the one I was planning on getting the 250mg/ml nic salt base from in the future.

I use 2.5% nic in my pod style devices so the math would be much easier that way.

It would make up 10% of my final mix.
Easy peasy.

I guess 100mg/ml would do the job but then it will be 25% of the mix.
I always get PG based nic (except once and i regret it. it is pink) since I have heard it lasts longer.

By the time I add flavoring (let's say 15% total) and nic It would be impossible to have more VG than a 40/60 PG/VG

That would be fine I guess.

Would you go for the 25% salt nic base?
I'm thinking more nic in a smaller space = a happy freezer

I started buying 250mg and very happy with it. Takes up much less space and I get the bonus of lower pg totals to boot. I prefer pg base but pg at higher percentages in my mix doesn't agree with me well. With the 250mg salts and flavors my mixes stay below 15% pg easily.

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