A Replacement For TFA's Coconut Extra

After my last order of TFA's Coconut Extra from Wizard Labs, on another website (Bull City Vapor) has it listed with a warning. Ok, so I'll just find a safer coconut.
Not as easy as it sounds so I have found out. I have tried Hangsen, Flavor West and FlavourArt's coconut and none have come close to Coconut Extra in flavor strength to shine through other flavors in my one recipe.

I will have to rework the recipe to allow for weaker coconut flavor. The other idea I am pondering is mixing a bit of TFA's Coconut Candy with a non-candy coconut either one I already have or try the other TFA Coconut and maybe that will come close enough. Coconut Extra does have a bit of a candy aroma to it, so that may be the missing flavor I used to love even though in the mix it tastes closer to real coconut.

I am open to any other ideas or a brand of coconut that is really strong. Thank you in advance.

Here is the MSDS from TFA for Coconut Extra - http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/msds/CoconutExtraFlavor.pdf

I don't see why there would be a 'warning' on it though.

On the other hand, the Coconut Candy flavor http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/msds/CoconutCandyFlavor.pdf they list as <1% Acetoin

TFA's page has "*** Note: This flavor contains 'custard' ingredients: Acetoin" mentioned with the Coconut Extra.

I didn't check the Coconut Candy until you posted. Thank you for that info.

I prefer Coconut from FA. The only other Coconut I liked was from Capella. To me the Extra has a waxy flavor to it. The Flavour Art one is very strong. Maybe you used too much, thus diluting the flavor?

I have learned from HIC to start most FA flavors at +/- 2%. I'm not going to buy any more coconut flavors until I use up my current stock and savor the Coconut Extra that I have left.
I don't normally use coconut very much other then one of my favorite recipes. Next time I make the recipe (Hypnotica #1), I will try backing off the other flavors and try the FA Coconut again.
Of the three coconuts I have bought, FA is the best, but doesn't stand it's ground with other strong flavors like the TFA Extra does.

I'm in the same boat, looking for an alt to tfa coconut extra. I had thought fa coconut would have been a good replacement. Could you not up the percent to make it work?

Thanks

Yes, I have that flavor note included in my collection also. Thanks.

I was hoping to see how Dave decided to handle his mix.

Depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go...

I make my own Coconut Extra concentrate with nearly identical aroma volatiles from TFA but without the acetoin (although I do have 100mg of acetoin that I use on occasion, just not in this one).

Mine is also 100% PG free.

TFA Coconut Extra is mostly gamma octalactone, which you can buy cheap at your favorite chemical house locally or from TFA themselves.

You also need butanoic acid ethyl ester, which you can buy on eBay for $25 for 4 ounces. It's one of the most common flavor aroma volatiles and I use it in a ton of my own concentrates.

Lastly you'll need benzaldehyde, which you can not get at either eBay nor TFA. It's always available at your local favorite chemical house.

Coconut Extra is NOT an exciting complicated flavor because it's mostly common off-the-shelf volatiles. The first two are the most potent in their concentrate, and I would bet that it gets you 90% there. The acetoin is what produces the 'creamy' part, but if all you're looking for is flavor, try the gamma octalactone alone.

Remember that you want to use less than 1% in your final mix, maybe even less than 0.1%. The stuff is potent and it isn't for newbs.

Wow, yeah, I'm not willing to go down the rabbit hole that far just yet, but possibly someday.

I use 3% coconut extra in my favorite vape. I can tell that I'm coughing up a little something (flem?) while vaping it, and it goes away while I'm vaping my other adv. I suspect it is the 3-7% impurity of the acetoin.

I'm going to give FA coconut a try just to see how it does. Maybe even a mix of the two just to lower the percentage a little.

Thanks

Frankm said:

I'm not willing to go down the rabbit hole that far just yet

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Me too.
I will keep using TFA's Coconut Extra on a limited bases, only when a strong coconut flavor is needed. I went a few months not using it in anything and then tried it in a different recipe. I did not care for it as much as I used to after trying other coconut flavor brands.

I made two versions of my "Hypnotica 1". One clean and one "dirty". The "dirty" has more satisfying flavor then the clean one. I can barely taste any coconut in the clean version.
"Hypnotica 1" use to be my favorite flavor at one time, but has since slid way down. Seems like every time I make something new, that becomes my favorite.

Yeah, my castle long clone which has been my longest running adv just isn't the same anymore. I'm constantly rotating adv to prevent vapors tongue, but my preferred vape seems to roll with the times.