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Tell me how to build for a dual coil single 20700 unreg. mod please.

gsmit1

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I got a DotMod Dotsquonk and a matching Dot RDA 24 from a guy on Craigslist. Both are in pristine condition.

Before I waste any more wire please somebody tell me what to expect from a single 20700 device. My last build was around .35 ohms and it's terrible. I mean as in weak pathetic vapor production. I have a brand new Mooch recommended 20700 I bought from that page. Fully charged and it's like MTL for the first hit and kinda builds up to some vapor from there, but still pitiful. Ramp up is like days.

I barely touch the thing and find myself using any other device I have.

Is this just how single battery vaping is or am I missing something in my building?

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on mech mods, you are stuck with a fixed voltage output. there is a balance of coil mass to output power you have to figure out. more metal takes more power/longer to heat up. the only way to adjust your performance is to change your build. the resistance determines how many watts you pull from your battery. smaller coils take less power to ramp up, and lower resistance coils pull more wattage. you have to find a balance where you get the kind of vape you like. your resistance is pretty high imo. consider trying the same build with one less wrap, or wrap it on the next smaller coil jig (if you are at 3mm, try 2.5 for example). with one less wrap, there will be less metal to heat up, and the build will be lower resistance/pull more wattage. just try to stay safe in your experiments for now and dont push your luck until you are more familiar with mech mods.
 

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on mech mods, you are stuck with a fixed voltage output.
I did actually know this, but this is my first experience building for it.


... more metal takes more power/longer to heat up.
This is the answer.
As in if I'm ever going to get a satisfactory vape out of this, this is the factor I failed to consider. It's not just resistance, it's the actual mass of the coil as well.

...and lower resistance coils pull more wattage.
Which is why I was building for higher resistance. Thinking less work for the battery to do, but again, I wasn't considering the general mass of the metal involved.

...just try to stay safe in your experiments for now and don't push your luck until you are more familiar with mech mods.
Excellent advice which I do receive with all due gravity.

I'm going to try something simple next.
 
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I did actually know this, but this is my first experience building for it.
building for mechs is very 'analogue', compared to the 'digital' regulated devices. mechs require a bit of math (for safety), but getting a good vape from one is more based on 'feel'...like the difference between driving an automatic and a standard, or food cooked on a bbq compared to a microwave. digital is easier, but it often lacks heart, and gives up some of the finer control you have over the result. imo, i learned more about 'coil building' from using mech mods than i did from actually learning how to make the coils (like aliens and the rest)...being able to make an alien (as hard as that is to learn) doesnt teach you how to make a good alien build that vapes well on your specific setup/style of vaping...
I wasn't considering the general mass of the metal involved.
there are a lot of variables involved, and its easy to miss some of them when you are new. the type of metal is also a bit more important on mech mods, so if you havnt already, try to get a bit of all of them to learn with (n80, ss, ka1 being the main wire types for coil building, tho there are a variety of stainless steels to choose from).
Excellent advice which I do receive with all due gravity.
I'm going to try something simple next.
the easiest suggestion i can come up with is to just try the same build with one less wrap and note the difference in resistance and performance. as you do more experiments, all these little notes will help you get a feel for whats good/what works/what you like. people make a big deal about safety on mech mods, and it is a big deal, but it shouldnt be scary. it all boils down to 'dont get your batteries too hot' in the end...so always monitor that with your built in thermometers (your fingers and lips), and remember that if anything weird happens (like a misfire or anything other than a normal vape), stop firing your mech mod, remove the cells, and figure out why it misfired. its mechanical, so you should literally be able to see the problem in the circuit....

and dont forget to post your builds :cheers:
 

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Very VERY informative and helpful indeed sir. :)

When I get a chance, maybe I'll yank this build and start by pulling a wrap off each coil as you suggest.

Yes, being someone who would prefer not to have their face blown up, safety is certainly a primary concern. Can never hear it too much.
 

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I had soured greatly on single battery vaping, at least for unregulated devices for sure. You have helped me take a new hopeful outlook. I very much appreciate it. I had planned at some point on building a dual battery mech from scratch. Just because I know I can and what could be cooler than vaping on a device that you have built yourself?
 

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On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23give or take

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That's where I was originally, but as this fella is saying, I wasn't considering the "size" of the build or even so much the wire type. I know that Nichrome and SS have lower resistance than Kanthal, but all I was really concerning myself with was the resistance.
 

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That's where I was originally, but as this fella is saying, I wasn't considering the "size" of the build or even so much the wire type. I know that Nichrome and SS have lower resistance than Kanthal, but all I was really concerning myself with was the resistance.
Yeah I use n80 and SS for my builds. Usually single coil rdas. 2x 26/36 for singles and a 28 core for dual coils. Thats usually my go-to. Fused clapton. I can slam about 10 and hour.

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Vapor production is better, but still not anything I'd reach for if I had other choices. Maybe some of it is the RDA, which I'm not too impressed with to tell you the truth. The top squonking method is a total fail IMHO. It gets one coil more than the other unless you tilt it around while squonking and then runs over the coils and leaks out the airflow holes if you do. It has no juicewell to speak of which makes it tedious as a dripper. On top of that even my Prince tank with the RBA deck produces more flavor.
 

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Vapor production is better, but still not anything I'd reach for if I had other choices. Maybe some of it is the RDA, which I'm not too impressed with to tell you the truth. The top squonking method is a total fail IMHO. It gets one coil more than the other unless you tilt it around while squonking and then runs over the coils and leaks out the airflow holes if you do. It has no juicewell to speak of which makes it tedious as a dripper. On top of that even my Prince tank with the RBA deck produces more flavor.
I have found that just using 24 gauge Stainless steel 316L, with 7 wraps around 3 mm is perfect for my squonk, but also it depends on the RDA I use as well. I love using Aliens and fused clapton, however for my mechs and squonks I find that simple is better. I like the Stainless because ramp up time is nothing.
 

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building for mechs is very 'analogue', compared to the 'digital' regulated devices. mechs require a bit of math (for safety), but getting a good vape from one is more based on 'feel'...like the difference between driving an automatic and a standard, or food cooked on a bbq compared to a microwave. digital is easier, but it often lacks heart, and gives up some of the finer control you have over the result. imo, i learned more about 'coil building' from using mech mods than i did from actually learning how to make the coils (like aliens and the rest)...being able to make an alien (as hard as that is to learn) doesnt teach you how to make a good alien build that vapes well on your specific setup/style of vaping...

there are a lot of variables involved, and its easy to miss some of them when you are new. the type of metal is also a bit more important on mech mods, so if you havnt already, try to get a bit of all of them to learn with (n80, ss, ka1 being the main wire types for coil building, tho there are a variety of stainless steels to choose from).

the easiest suggestion i can come up with is to just try the same build with one less wrap and note the difference in resistance and performance. as you do more experiments, all these little notes will help you get a feel for whats good/what works/what you like. people make a big deal about safety on mech mods, and it is a big deal, but it shouldnt be scary. it all boils down to 'dont get your batteries too hot' in the end...so always monitor that with your built in thermometers (your fingers and lips), and remember that if anything weird happens (like a misfire or anything other than a normal vape), stop firing your mech mod, remove the cells, and figure out why it misfired. its mechanical, so you should literally be able to see the problem in the circuit....

and dont forget to post your builds :cheers:


You da man! :cheers:
 

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Vapor production is better, but still not anything I'd reach for if I had other choices. Maybe some of it is the RDA, which I'm not too impressed with to tell you the truth. The top squonking method is a total fail IMHO. It gets one coil more than the other unless you tilt it around while squonking and then runs over the coils and leaks out the airflow holes if you do. It has no juicewell to speak of which makes it tedious as a dripper. On top of that even my Prince tank with the RBA deck produces more flavor.


RDAs with large obstructions in the middle actually produce better flavor with small diameter coils (3mm, for instance) that are very close to the middle obstruction. I think air bounces off of the middle post system and hits the coil again - that's my experience anyway

I suggest 2.5mm or 3mm diameter coils, as close to the center post without touching it as possible - this should improve flavor and also make squonking more efficient

What battery do you have? I assume it is a good one -

I really recommend 2 things, for a single cell mech:

1. Do not use twisted builds - they raise resistance and coil mass too much Great thing for series mods, bad thing for one cell mods

2. 4 wraps

Like machine said, hard to balance between wire mass and resistance you like - a pair of Nichrome 2x28g or 3x28g, 4 wraps, might be a start

This is dual 3x28 nichrome, if that resistance looks too low for your comfort, try 2x28

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I always try to preface my responses by saying that I'm certainly in no position to be a know it all and clearly recognize that your knowledge and experience Meg, along with most others here, dwarfs my own. Please keep that in mind as you read on. I don't mean to come off as argumentative.
RDAs with large obstructions in the middle actually produce better flavor with small diameter coils (3mm, for instance) that are very close to the middle obstruction. ...
Yes. Reduced chamber is the way I heard it. More concentrated vapor to air ratio. All I know so far is that this 60 dollar RDA, if I had bought it new, has been ho hum to this point at best. Even when I put it on one of my regulated devices. I'm certainly willing to believe it's something I'm doing wrong.

I suggest 2.5mm or 3mm diameter coils, as close to the center post without touching it as possible - this should improve flavor and also make squonking more efficient.
That build is 3mm, though yes it is clapton over twisted all 316L. (more on that in a minute)

Here's the thing, and maybe it's just personal preference. I don't like dripping from the top because it seems to produce a lot more gurgle and spitback. I take my caps off and use an eyedropper to put juice into the well under the coils so that it travels from the bottom up the cotton evenly and not too much at a time.

The way the Dot squonks from the top, it does exactly what I try to avoid when I drip and it's especially bad because you have to go out of your way to get both coils by tilting it around, even with the Philips channels in that large center screw. I love the idea of squonking from the bottom because it would accomplish the way I drip anyway without having to drip.

Again, I'm willing to be corrected, but I don't know if I'm ever really going to like that RDA.

What battery do you have? I assume it is a good one -
THIS is the one I have (I bought it there too, which is where he said to get it) because it was specifically recommended by Mooch as being a good high amp 20700.

1. Do not use twisted builds - they raise resistance and coil mass too much Great thing for series mods, bad thing for one cell mods.
I was going to ask what the difference between parallel and twisted was in this regard, but upon further reflection, I see how twisted coils would have more mass than the same length of parallel wire of the same gauge .

That's what machine said too. Less wraps. I'm going to try 4 next.

...a pair of Nichrome 2x28g or 3x28g, 4 wraps, might be a start.
By this you mean, 2 parallel by 28ga. ?
 
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I always try to preface my responses by saying that I'm certainly in no position to be a know it all and clearly recognize that your knowledge and experience Meg, along with most others here, dwarfs my own. Please keep that in mind as you read on. I don't mean to come off as argumentative.

Yes. Reduced chamber is the way I heard it. More concentrated vapor to air ratio. All I know so far is that this 60 dollar RDA, if I had bought it new, has been ho hum to this point at best. Even when I put it on one of my regulated devices. I'm certainly willing to believe it's something I'm doing wrong.


That build is 3mm, though yes it is clapton over twisted all 316L. (more on that in a minute)

Here's the thing, and maybe it's just personal preference. I don't like dripping from the top because it seems to produce a lot more gurgle and spitback. I take my caps off and use an eyedropper to put juice into the well under the coils so that it travels from the bottom up the cotton evenly and not too much at a time.

The way the Dot squonks from the top, it does exactly what I try to avoid when I drip and it's especially bad because you have to go out of your way to get both coils by tilting it around, even with the Philips channels in that large center screw. I love the idea of squonking from the bottom because it would accomplish the way I drip anyway without having to drip.

Again, I'm willing to be corrected, but I don't know if I'm ever really going to like that RDA.


THIS is the one I have (I bought it there too, which is where he said to get it) because it was specifically recommended by Mooch as being a good high amp 20700.


I was going to ask what the difference between parallel and twisted was in this regard, but upon further reflection, I see how twisted coils would have more mass than the same length of parallel wire of the same gauge .


That's what machine said too. Less wraps. I'm going to try 4 next.


By this you mean, 2 parallel by 28ga. ?


I've never used that one, but the two other Dotmod rda's I tried, I didn't like At Alllll, so I don't doubt one bit you're totally right

Yeah, 2 strands of 28g coiled together - or a fused clapton 2x28
 

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If you have some simple 24g Nichrome you can have that thing creating atmospheres in your room very easily. With a mildly warm fun vape. 5 wraps, 3.5 mm inside diameter 24g nichrome will yield a fast ramp and very good vape.
 

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Everybody's telling me different stuff :confused:

All pretty much pointed in the same general direction though.

I have some experimenting to do.
 

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There is no one right answer, you could ask 319 people and get 349 different answers. Experimentation is always necessary.
 

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Well, I will throw my 2 cents in here for what it is worth. I tend to lean heavily towards my fused clapton coils for everything. I have found no benefit from any other exotic coil in vapor production or flavor and fused clapton coils are easy to make using my Daeladus. Here is my go to coils:

26ga Ni80 cores ( 2 ) with 38ga 316SS wrap - 5 wraps (Spaced) with a 3mm ID = approx 0.3 ohms per coil which is 0.15ohms in dual coil.

This build is excellent for a 18650 single battery mod if you use a 30amp battery like the Samsung 20S or the LG HB6. It also works great with the 30amp 20700 batteries.



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My other build which I use more than any other is as follows:

26ga 316SS Cores ( 2 ) with 38ga 316SS Wrap - 5 wraps (Spaced) with a 3mm ID = approx 0.20 ohms per coil or 0.10 ohms in dual coil.

This build is excellent for most regulated mods and awesome for a single battery 21700 mod with the Samsung 30T Battery.

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Here is what the coils look like:

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Of course you will need to use at your own risk. However, just make sure you have some way to TEST THE RESISTANCE before putting anything on a mechanical mod.

Happy Vaping!
CV :)
 

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On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23give or take

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On a single battery mech (squonker or tube mech, doesn't factually even matter) with the battery that the OP has, a dual coil build at .23 ohms in a 24mm RDA (any 24mm dual coil RDA) vapes about the same as when the battery has been fully discharged inside a regulated mod first before putting it inside your mech. There's just no punch whatsoever, it's about as flimsy as it gets... like vaping on a regulated mod after you dry burned your coils and you just finished rewicking and juicing up your RDA, but you forgot to turn the wattage up to normal again... sorry.
 

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That's the difference. I don't have to have 90 watts or higher pumping into my chest. I used a Billet box all day yesterday. A whopping 10.1 watts. But as I said I use the .23 configuration in single coils. For dual you just about can't get that high ohm. So I run around .15 or so with duals

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Personally, I, tend to always stick to a .11 ohms dual coil build, aliens, 3Ă—27g Ni80 / 36g Ni80, 4.5 wraps 2.5mm ID on ANY single battery mech, as doing that is what gives me the best flavor and that's it. The battery that you have is a battery that doesn't initially hit as hard as the very popular Sony VTC5A (or the Samsung 20S, which hits even harder than the VTC5A does...) so in this regard the battery that you have chosen is more comparable to the average/good performing batteries for use in a mech, but you do get more vaping time out of it compared to the VTC5A so for a squonker if you happen to be a bit of a less is more kind of person as far as the power output is concerned, then yeah... you definitely made the right choice for a battery for your intended usage IMO. :)
 

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That's the difference. I don't have to have 90 watts or higher pumping into my chest. I used a Billet box all day yesterday. A whopping 10.1 watts. But as I said I use the .23 configuration in single coils. For dual you just about can't get that high ohm. So I run around .15 or so with duals

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No punch. None whatsoever... just that anemic feel that a lot of the Temp Control afficionados also appear to love, like sucking on something that produces nothing more than thin air with reduced flavor instead of produces some real vapor.
 

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So what do All mech builds need to be at? .15or lower? Single coil rdas don't accommodate for the amount of heat that coil will produce. Throw a .15 in the haku and see where that gets you. Burned throat from hot ass juice splashing back in your mouth. I've tried it all man. Has plenty of punch for me. That's why vaping is subjective. You like your vape I like mine. Some newer user's shouldn't be consistently told to build super low if they don't know enough to keep batteries from getting hot. Or burst hits like 1 second. Some people want that 3-4 second hit. Just gotta be careful. But thanks for your constructive criticism.

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So what do All mech builds need to be at? .15or lower? Single coil rdas don't accommodate for the amount of heat that coil will produce. Throw a .15 in the haku and see where that gets you. Burned throat from hot ass juice splashing back in your mouth. I've tried it all man. Has plenty of punch for me. That's why vaping is subjective. You like your vape I like mine. Some newer user's shouldn't be consistently told to build super low if they don't know enough to keep batteries from getting hot. Or burst hits like 1 second. Some people want that 3-4 second hit. Just gotta be careful. But thanks for your constructive criticism.

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They need to be at whatever it is that you yourself prefer them at. What I describe is how I'm experiencing it, and, I don't own a Haku, but I do own 6 of the batteries that the OP also uses, I do own two mech squonkers both of which are single 20700, and I do know that there's no burned throat from hot ass juice splashing back in your mouth if using the dual coil aliens build I previously described... even, if using the Samsung 20S battery with it, which hits very noticeably harder than the 20700 battery that the OP has... even, if using one of my Purge RDAs the build deck of which measures only 19.5mm in diameter (non squonkable, but it doesn't matter to your throat as for burning it versus not burning it at all), and in fact I do take up to 3 second hits so, if what you say is true and you've tried it all, then IMHO you should just simply try harder because I use this build daily and I use/have used this build also in all of the following authentic 24mm RDAs:

OG Goon
Goon 1.5
Kennedy 2-post
CSMNT
Scoundrels GenieĂźen
Anarchist The Riot
Druga
Dead Rabbit
Vaperz Cloud Mini Buddha 2
Vapergate Mason Gemini II
Vapergate Mason V2
Twisted Messes 24 Pro
Reload X

What you describe about burning my throat is the exact opposite of what does happen, as the vape is wet and fairly cool instead of warm, and there's almost no throat hit there, either. I actually even like to use low profile drip tips on some of my RDAs (including my 25mm Goon) exactly because there is no splashing of hot juice going on excepting only just a little bit if you prefer to wick your coils lightly so that the vape crackles louder (i.e. instead of wicking them like "normal"), in which case all you have to do is just purge it briefly (for less than 1/2 second) one time if the coils are completely cold.
 
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The one thing that the guy I bought it from didnt' have was the 18650 adapter. I rigged one up from a silicone coil head cover from an iJoy Limitless XL coil and the broken contact from a broken X-Priv.

I have to say that the Samsung 20s did make a very big difference.

I had a single 20s that I bought to use in my ohm reader
 
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a dual coil build at .23 ohms in a 24mm RDA (any 24mm dual coil RDA) vapes about the same as when the battery has been fully discharged inside a regulated mod first before putting it inside your mech
lol i thought you were more experienced than this. you are commenting on a resistance as if you know the actual relevant details of the build (mass/material etc)....and making totally uninformed generalizations.
I, tend to always stick to a .11 ohms dual coil build, aliens, 3Ă—27g Ni80 / 36g Ni80, 4.5 wraps 2.5mm ID on ANY single battery mech
your perspective is very limited for a guy who knows how .x ohms vapes on infinite possible builds that reach that resistance.
I don't own a Haku
then why are you commenting on the amount of spitback it produces with certain builds in it?
if what you say is true and you've tried it all, then IMHO you should just simply try harder
you are making sweeping generalizations in a similar fashion to a tootle puffer who 'knows' you cant get flavor from coils and atomizers that they will never try for themselves...and then making statements like the one above :grumpy:
in all of the following authentic 24mm RDAs
listing all your toys is not a valid response to the point you are arguing.
all you have to do is just purge it briefly (for less than 1/2 second) one time if the coils are completely cold.
yuk. thats the voltage sag. consider running that build on a parallel box, the sag is almost unbearable on a tube imo...between that and the abysmal battery life, i dont understand how people vape like that....but everyone is different, and 'to each, his own' i suppose. for me personally, if a build needs to be purged, i consider it a fail and ill try to make something different that works better, or run it on a mod that can fire it properly :cheers:
 

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lol i thought you were more experienced than this. you are commenting on a resistance as if you know the actual relevant details of the build (mass/material etc)....and making totally uninformed generalizations.
I'm way more than experienced enough to know for a fact I don't like to vape on anything too far below 90 watts. Any .23 ohms build on a single battery mech still falls in that category, and does so regardless of whether you want to call it a totally uninformed generalization.
your perspective is very limited for a guy who knows how .x ohms vapes on infinite possible builds that reach that resistance.
I have zero interest in what you or anyone else thinks of my perspective. On a single battery mech, the build I described is my go to build for a number of reasons, but I never said everyone has to like what I like, because, if you read my posts more carefully you'll find that what I did say is actually even the exact opposite of that so not sure what you must be getting at here. See above.
then why are you commenting on the amount of spitback it produces with certain builds in it?
I wasnt commenting on the Haku. My only comment I made about it is that I don't own it, to which I'll add that the reason I don't own it is because I have zero interest in it so it is only logical the fact I have zero interest in commenting on it. See above.
you are making sweeping generalizations in a similar fashion to a tootle puffer who 'knows' you cant get flavor from coils and atomizers that they will never try for themselves...and then making statements like the one above :grumpy:
Please read my posts before hitting the reply button. I was talking about 24mm RDAs and the fact my go to build has no spitback issues in them... it knocks me unconscious why someone would bring up spitback issues, as I don't have any.
listing all your toys is not a valid response to the point you are arguing.
The point I was arguing is I have yet to encounter a decent 24mm RDA that gives spitback issues with the build I use. No spitback issues here, so no reason to bring up spitback issues... try harder, and, see above.
yuk. thats the voltage sag. consider running that build on a parallel box, the sag is almost unbearable on a tube imo...between that and the abysmal battery life, i dont understand how people vape like that....but everyone is different, and 'to each, his own' i suppose. for me personally, if a build needs to be purged, i consider it a fail and ill try to make something different that works better, or run it on a mod that can fire it properly :cheers:
I never said it needs to be purged. It doesn't, at least not if you wick it like normal, but some people (not me) prefer to wick it so lightly that it does tend to need that if the coils are completely cold and saturated, and, no, a parallel box is not required for this build in any way, as IMO a single Sony VTC5A (or single Samsung 20S if you, like me, prefer to use that one with this build even though the VTC5A also works fine with it) has just the right amount of voltage sag for it so any single 18650 (or single 20700 or single 21700) mech can fire it properly, albeit a single Samsung 30T doesn't work for me with this build because the voltage sag of that one is a little too small for this build IMO so I find that it is the exact opposite of what you're trying to suggest.
 

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so not sure what you must be getting at here

On a single battery mech (squonker or tube mech, doesn't factually even matter) with the battery that the OP has, a dual coil build at .23 ohms in a 24mm RDA (any 24mm dual coil RDA) vapes about the same as when the battery has been fully discharged inside a regulated mod first before putting it inside your mech. There's just no punch whatsoever, it's about as flimsy as it gets... like vaping on a regulated mod after you dry burned your coils and you just finished rewicking and juicing up your RDA, but you forgot to turn the wattage up to normal again... sorry.
this statement has no indication that you are expressing your opinion. if a noob reads this and takes it as a fact of building on mech mods, they will be misinformed. similarly to when someone says 'dual coils are too hot' or 'exotic coils need too much power'. i am calling you out to show anyone else who is reading this, and doesnt know how to build yet, that its not a fact. we have similar tastes and opinions on a lot of things, but you make a lot of blanket statements like this, which confuse people who are still learning.

I wasnt commenting on the Haku. My only comment I made about it is that I don't own it, to which I'll add that the reason I don't own it is because I have zero interest in it so it is only logical the fact I have zero interest in commenting on it. See above.
so you missed his point and changed the subject.

I never said it needs to be purged. It doesn't, at least not if you wick it like normal, but some people (not me) prefer to wick it so lightly that it does tend to need that if the coils are completely cold and saturated, and, no, a parallel box is not required for this build in any way, as IMO a single Sony VTC5A (or single Samsung 20S if you, like me, prefer to use that one with this build even though the VTC5A also works fine with it) has just the right amount of voltage sag for it so any single 18650 (or single 20700 or single 21700) mech can fire it properly, albeit a single Samsung 30T doesn't work for me with this build because the voltage sag of that one is a little too small for this build IMO so I find that it is the exact opposite of what you're trying to suggest.
thats why i say 'to each his own', and throw in 'imo' when i am not stating a fact :cheers:
 

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this statement has no indication that you are expressing your opinion. if a noob reads this and takes it as a fact of building on mech mods, they will be misinformed. similarly to when someone says 'dual coils are too hot' or 'exotic coils need too much power'. i am calling you out to show anyone else who is reading this, and doesnt know how to build yet, that its not a fact. we have similar tastes and opinions on a lot of things, but you make a lot of blanket statements like this, which confuse people who are still learning.
I disagree. Whenever I say this is how it vapes, any vaper (that is, any sane vaper) will logically understand I'm speaking from my own personal experience, not from the pope's personal experience of course (but you can still call me pope if you feel so inclined).
so you missed his point and changed the subject.
What exactly IS the point of saying, when talking to a noob and without adding any further specifics, "On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23 give or take"? You already said yourself "your perspective is very limited for a guy who knows how .x ohms vapes on infinite possible builds that reach that resistance." Care to explain how a noob is supposed to know how to choose from an infinite possible builds? Wow. Just wow.
thats why i say 'to each his own', and throw in 'imo' when i am not stating a fact :cheers:
Read the OP's posts. There are several opinions in there about how it vapes that don't have 'IMO', and, that's just because, nope... people don't need to throw in 'IMO' or something similar each time when they talk about how they think it vapes, as the logical assumption that that's what they're referring to makes all the perfect sense in the world.
 

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any vaper (that is, any sane vaper) will logically understand I'm speaking from my own personal experience
i see noobs on the forum repeating what they see other people say all the time, without knowing better. when i first got here it was very common for everyone to say '.1 ohms is stupid low' with no other context. people still say it all the time, and then act like they understand ohms law. there is nothing 'stupid' about a number (.1 in this case), only how you run it...but i would wager there are still a ton of ppl here who think its stupid just because of how many times they have seen it posted by people with lots of years/posts/experience.
What exactly IS the point of saying, when talking to a noob and without adding any further specifics, "On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23 give or take"?
he is indicating that he has been able to get a good vape at that resistance.
You already said yourself "your perspective is very limited for a guy who knows how .x ohms vapes on infinite possible builds that reach that resistance."
i say that because you just admitted to only vaping 27 gauge n80 aliens in handful of 24mm atomizers, then tried to comment on how another guys setup (which is totally different from yours) vapes. then you double reinforced your position of never wanting to even try that setup, but you know that
There's just no punch whatsoever, it's about as flimsy as it gets... like vaping on a regulated mod after you dry burned your coils and you just finished rewicking and juicing up your RDA, but you forgot to turn the wattage up to normal again... sorry.
somehow? is that not the same as someone who exclusively mtl vapes saying that you cant get flavor from your setup that they refuse to try?
Care to explain how a noob is supposed to know how to choose from an infinite possible builds?
i told him to experiment and take notes to build his experience and perspective until it was wide enough to know wtf he is doing.
Read the OP's posts. There are several opinions in there about how it vapes that don't have 'IMO'
he is talking about his own setup, not someone elses that he refuses to try.
 

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i see noobs on the forum repeating what they see other people say all the time, without knowing better. when i first got here it was very common for everyone to say '.1 ohms is stupid low' with no other context. people still say it all the time, and then act like they understand ohms law. there is nothing 'stupid' about a number (.1 in this case), only how you run it...but i would wager there are still a ton of ppl here who think its stupid just because of how many times they have seen it posted by people with lots of years/posts/experience.
Just because there are noobs on the forum who repeat what they see other people say all the time, doesn't also mean I shouldn't be allowed to express my opinion in a kind of language that the OP also used, like, for example, "it's terrible" or "vapor production is better". So any .23 ohms dual coil build in a 24mm RDA is still terrible, and you can either agree or disagree with me on that of course, but that is still regardless of who does and who doesn't use a Haku so, again, I'm not sure what you must be getting at here.
he is indicating that he has been able to get a good vape at that resistance.
I already know that. What I don't know is how on earth a noob should be able to imagine all the necessary details required to figure out HOW he has been able to get a good vape at that resistance. Talk to me more about my "hollow statements and generalizations".... :rolleyes:
i say that because you just admitted to only vaping 27 gauge n80 aliens in handful of 24mm atomizers,
Nope. Just because, on a single battery mech, that's my go to build that I use daily, doesn't in any way imply it's the only way that I vape, and, nope, it isn't the only way that I vape, and it isn't the only way that I vape by any far stretch of the imagination, either, so... if I may be so bold to say so sir, you can safely quit trolling me now. Further, coil mass is irrelevant. Ramp up as a function of power is determined not by coil mass, but by metal type in cohort with the (combined) length(s) and thicknesse(s) of the wire(s) used, i.e. the volume instead of the mass. Hopefully this will have broadened your perspective a little bit. ;)
then tried to comment on how another guys setup (which is totally different from yours) vapes.
The other guy didn't even bother to explain what setup he was talking about. You already said yourself it was an infinite possible setups so please be my guest and keep barking up the wrong tree?
then you double reinforced your position of never wanting to even try that setup, but you know that somehow?
The reason why I never want to try it is because it fucking sucks. But people are still free to disagree, which is double fucking obvious if you're not a double idiot.
is that not the same as someone who exclusively mtl vapes saying that you cant get flavor from your setup that they refuse to try?
Finally we are getting somewhere. So let me ask you again... how exactly was it that comments like "On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23 give or take", with no further details given, were going to mean anything to the OP? Are you beginning to understand now why I often tend to avoid threads like these? Or should I draw you a picture?
i told him to experiment and take notes to build his experience and perspective until it was wide enough to know wtf he is doing.
I wasn't criticizing that advice. My point was you were citicizing me for the fact I had citicized the comment of "On a mech squonk I usually stay around .23 give or take", and I criticized it for the fact it is nothing more than a narrow perspective offering no real advice of any kind because no details of any kind were specified. I like to wear blue jackets. Experiment and take notes. Many thanks for your expert advice. Now, that was brilliant. Downright fabulous, even.
he is talking about his own setup, not someone elses that he refuses to try.
First you tell me it's an infinite possible setups. Next, you try to blame me for not wanting to try an infinite possible setups.
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again, I'm not sure what you must be getting at here
i was trying to make sure there was a record of an opposing opinion to yours in this thread where noobs may be looking for advice, see your post and take it as a fact. i thought i would be able to talk to you in the same blunt, 'matter of fact' way that you posted here with your first post in the thread. ill try to be far more gentle next time i address you on the forums <3
you can either agree or disagree with me on that of course
i disagree with you stating that its impossible to get a good vape at .23 on a single battery mech mod, because there are so many combinations of wire, gauges, and ways to make that wire into coils, that even you should be able to find a good vape there.
I criticized it for the fact it is nothing more than a narrow perspective offering no real advice of any kind because no details of any kind were specified
i suppose that my first post was a bit sharp because your first post in this thread was to totally shit on someone elses setup, which you implied you would/have never tried. where is the value or advice in your post? what was the point of making it? it was 100% negativity and completely useless. so useless in fact, that i got sucked into this discussion with you over it...and the thread went to shit. sorry @gsmit1 and future readers for replying in a way that further disrupted the thread. ill fuck right off now and drop it....
 

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I wasn't sure what I should do there for a minute. I hate taking sides when I don't know the people involved or enough about the subject matter to responsibly takes sides that way either.

No big deal. Everybody's human right?

The 20s did make a difference, but I should clarify that it still didn't get me all the way to where I want to go.

I haven't had a chance to do any new builds yet, but I have gotten far more direction than I had before. I knew that building for mechs was different before I bought this mod. I just didn't realize how much.

I will say I'm finding myself to be a power guy. In the sense that I like a fairly warm and aggressive vape. I may not get all that I want out of any single battery, or at least where I'm capped at 20700's, but I think I can still enjoy this mod.
 
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So I have almost every wire type and 3 years of building with me - if you pm me your address, I can make and mail you a variety of builds of a variety of metals that I think will be nice on your mech squonk.for free

That would save you a bit of time fumbling around, wasting money and wire, etc

Are you getting a different rda than the Dot squonk?
 

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i was trying to make sure there was a record of an opposing opinion to yours in this thread where noobs may be looking for advice, see your post and take it as a fact. i thought i would be able to talk to you in the same blunt, 'matter of fact' way that you posted here with your first post in the thread. ill try to be far more gentle next time i address you on the forums <3
I always thought the only place where people usually tout their own personal opinion as fact is ecf. All facts here lie buried underground so use your fucking head, man! :D
i disagree with you stating that its impossible to get a good vape at .23 on a single battery mech mod, because there are so many combinations of wire, gauges, and ways to make that wire into coils, that even you should be able to find a good vape there.
I never stated that it's impossible to get a good vape at .23 on a single battery mech mod. Instead, I simply stated that a .23 dual coil build (dual coil is what the OP wrote about) in a 24mm RDA (24mm RDA is what the OP wrote about) on a single battery mech mod (single battery mech mod is what the OP wrote about) is a seriously weak vape. So let me ask you again... how exactly is it that a noob is supposed to know that the ".23 give or take" in the post I quoted in my first post in this thread is referring to a 22mm single coil RDA such as the Haku?
i suppose that my first post was a bit sharp because your first post in this thread was to totally shit on someone elses setup,
What setup? Like I already tried to explain a few times, ".23 ohms on a single battery mech" isn't a setup because, instead, it's a blue jacket pockets filled with an infinite possible setups, which, for reasons that are totally obvious, should be totally shat on, and should be totally shat on multiple times BECAUSE it is a blue jacket. EVERYONE knows that the only jackets that you shouldn't totally shit on are green jackets.
which you implied you would/have never tried. where is the value or advice in your post? what was the point of making it? it was 100% negativity and completely useless. so useless in fact, that i got sucked into this discussion with you over it...and the thread went to shit. sorry @gsmit1 and future readers for replying in a way that further disrupted the thread. ill fuck right off now and drop it....
The point of making it was because, due to the fact the OP wrote about dual coil in a 24mm RDA, noobs reading the blunt ".23 ohms on a single battery mech" generalization might logically assume it could be referring to ".23 ohms dual coil in a 24mm RDA on a single battery mech".
 

Carambrda

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I wasn't sure what I should do there for a minute. I hate taking sides when I don't know the people involved or enough about the subject matter to responsibly takes sides that way either.

No big deal. Everybody's human right?

The 20s did make a difference, but I should clarify that it still didn't get me all the way to where I want to go.

I haven't had a chance to do any new builds yet, but I have gotten far more direction than I had before. I knew that building for mechs was different before I bought this mod. I just didn't realize how much.

I will say I'm finding myself to be a power guy. In the sense that I like a fairly warm and aggressive vape. I may not get all that I want out of any single battery, or at least where I'm capped at 20700's, but I think I can still enjoy this mod.
For a warmer vape, some people lean more towards a .07 ohms dual coil build using SS316L, usually framed aliens or alien staggertons, in a 24mm or 25mm RDA on a single battery mech. Personally, I, prefer to add that extra warmth by going for a series mech instead, one of my favorite builds being a .26 ohms dual coil staggered fused claptons build using Ni80 28g / 36g and using 2 of the batteries that you are using right now. I tried the harder-hitting batteries with this setup (Sony VTC5A). My conclusion was the batteries that you have are the better choice for this setup. The bigger voltage sag of them is what prevents the build from scorching into the cotton. But the build is still a powerful build so I need to drip constantly and I need to really focus on my draw strength with this one. The airflow adjustment I use with this on the Mason V2 RDA is side air holes completely closed off, bottom air ~2/5 of the way open. That's fairly restrictive airflow for such a powerful build, but I adjust my draw strength accordingly so the vape is warm, wet, dense, saturated. Juices like, for example, Twelve Monkeys Origins Saimiri or Kilo Apple Pie taste loads better for me with this setup when compared to the .11 dual coil aliens setup I was previously referring to. The Mason V2 is non squonkable, but I rarely squonk. When I squonk I end up frequently dripping a few drops straight on top of the coils because I just don't have the patience it takes to let the wicks get fully saturated.

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From the post your builds thread:
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How bout if I post @zephyr's builds instead.

2x26 N80
46g kanthal fused Clapton.
2,5 id. Her reader says .12 mine says .13 :D
46? A surgeon's hands.
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They glowed perfect on the first try.
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I cannot get the shots I want with this camera though.
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gsmit1

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NIGHT and DAY!

I touched the fire button with the cap off and WHOOSH :cloud:

Absolutely brought this mod to life. Thank YOU again Meg for your generosity and encouragement. Super huge help.
 

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