DIY E-Juice member sub forums

Hobby Kid · Dec 24, 2014

So here's a suggestion: how about we allow e-juice diyers to have their own sub forums? Obviously it would require some criteria and stipulations before a member is allowed - one which you guys can amicably decide yourselves. I've noticed a lot of conflicts in those threads. It's like too many chefs in one kitchen. So if you don't like someone's diy thread or recipe, instead of ranting there'll be a simple solution - get out of their kitchen.

So I'll just leave this with you guys.
Please take the time to vote on the poll.

freemind · Dec 24, 2014

I voted No.

I think this would only serve to divide the members into "camps". But I do wish there was a better way to organize or look up a members recipes.

Smoky Blue · Dec 24, 2014

What would the requirements be, Hobby? It sounds good to me..

Smoky Blue · Dec 24, 2014

freemind said:
I voted No.

I think this would only serve to divide the members into "camps". But I do wish there was a better way to organize or look up a members recipes.

i don't see it as that, and it would offer better organizing.. maybe..
that way, if someone is looking for something made by...
i can see it working, at least better than what it is now.. i hope!

freemind · Dec 24, 2014

It may, but who knows.

I have a hard enough time scrolling through sub forums, as there are so MANY of them.

fq06 · Dec 24, 2014

Voted yes, i think that's a good idea. If you like a chef's juices you can find all of them in one place as opposed to scrolling through pages of recipes.

Whiskey · Dec 24, 2014

Although its a good idea, I see certain groups sticking to certain threads of certain DIY'ers now just like it would be in separate sub forums. I guess I wouldn't see a need to change things at this point, squabbles are going to happen, then they smooth themselves out as they seem to be doing normally.
I say its not time to put the added areas in quite yet.

fq06 · Dec 24, 2014

I must have missed the squabbles in the diy threads, what's to fight about? A recipe is not one size fits all, one person may think there's not enough flavor, another thinks it's too much. One person loves custards, the other doesn't. If you don't like custard recipes, don't bother reading the thread or commenting in it. What would be to comment? That you think custard is gross? I think menthol is gross so I wouldn't bother checking a fruity menthol recipe.

If you like desert & fruit vapes, HIC's sub forum would be a good place to look. If you like tobacco recipes, smoky's sub forum would be a great place for you.

Hobby Kid · Dec 24, 2014

Smoky Blue said:
What would the requirements be, Hobby? It sounds good to me..

Well tbh I don't have an opinion on this one way or another other than offering an idea. It's up to you guys to share your thoughts

Whiskey · Dec 24, 2014

Smoky Blue said:
What would the requirements be, Hobby? It sounds good to me..

First it would be decided upon by our admin, if it is ok'd , you would then have to put in for a subforum and I believe would be told at that time what requirements are needed.

tick22 · Dec 24, 2014

it would help the new DIYers alot. Right now we have one group that is messing with every not a part of them threads, and they are very vocal about how it should be. really just look at some threads and you see the same few put down or argue about ones stuff except their own or their so called leaders. I mean really, FA is not the juice of Gods and most of the disruptors were the trouble makers from ECF who now have free range to reek their brand of havoc here. I mean do you have to bring up the same thing everytime? Oh and they will be the first ones to cry on the thread when you call them on it.

Ld3441 · Dec 24, 2014

I have been into DIY for about a year now.
I have seen the BS in the threads and sadly it drives many away including myself.
I don't know if sub forums are the answer though.

No matter how many sub forums you create, the ones that cause problems will do so.
There are too many people that have the mentality "my way is the only way".
They don't come out and say that exactly but I can read between the lines.

If you don't agree with someone fine but there is no need in arguing the point.. whatever.
People see things differently and always will.
It is everyones choice what is right for them.

RocketPuppy · Dec 24, 2014

I think sub-forums or blogs are ideal.

If a person wants to stay away from another member, then they could easily avoid that person's sub-forum.

If a person isn't interested in a certain aspect of diy, then they could avoid that particular sub-forum. Seems like we all have our specialities, and I would love to have a personal sub-forum/blog for where to buy supplies.

The general diy area is just that, too general. This would help organize such a plethora of info.

wllmc · Dec 24, 2014

I think at this point it doesnt really matter. I see the major contributors pulling back and staying out of the way because of comments like above. I for one have been pushed to the point I dont care anymore to be honest. to many here feed on the controversy as you can see people just cant let things go. its not even fun here anymore. so with that Im out VU best of luck to everyone.

Ld3441 · Dec 24, 2014

If a person wants to stay away from someone they can always "ignore" that person and they won't see their posts.
Nobody has to read anything they don't wish to.

I agree with you @wllmc but hate to see you go. I have enjoyed reading your posts and it is a BIG loss for DIY.
I'll just read from now on in there because I hate the controversy too.

Cramptholomew · Dec 24, 2014

tick22 said:
it would help the new DIYers alot. Right now we have one group that is messing with every not a part of them threads, and they are very vocal about how it should be. really just look at some threads and you see the same few put down or argue about ones stuff except their own or their so called leaders. I mean really, FA is not the juice of Gods and most of the disruptors were the trouble makers from ECF who now have free range to reek their brand of havoc here. I mean do you have to bring up the same thing everytime? Oh and they will be the first ones to cry on the thread when you call them on it.

Examples! I call for examples! Who are these troublemakers!?

fq06 · Dec 24, 2014

WTF?

Ld3441 · Dec 24, 2014

Cramptholomew said:
Examples! I call for examples! Who are these troublemakers!?

Why try to cause more friction? I do not understand this post at all.
To me, this post is a perfect example.

There is no way everyone will ever agree on anything.
There are so many variables to DIY that some become over passionate at times.
This is all really sad.... where did the fun go?

tick22 · Dec 24, 2014

Ld3441 said:
Why try to cause more friction? I do not understand this post at all.
To me, this post is a perfect example.

There is no way everyone will ever agree on anything.
There are so many variables to DIY that some become over passionate at times.
This is all really sad.... where did the fun go?

Bravo!!!!!

HeadInClouds · Dec 25, 2014

tick22 said:
it would help the new DIYers alot. Right now we have one group that is messing with every not a part of them threads, and they are very vocal about how it should be. really just look at some threads and you see the same few put down or argue about ones stuff except their own or their so called leaders. I mean really, FA is not the juice of Gods and most of the disruptors were the trouble makers from ECF who now have free range to reek their brand of havoc here. I mean do you have to bring up the same thing everytime? Oh and they will be the first ones to cry on the thread when you call them on it.

What can anyone say to such supportive, conciliatory remarks? -- A Very Merry Christmas to you, too!

M5amhan · Dec 25, 2014

i usually just go to the users profile and find all threads they created. easy way for me to find their recipes, some way to sort from the recipes forum would be cool. just dont want to end up with 100 sub forums and sub-sub forums. my 2 cents

@wllmc hope you come back man, you and HIC are a big part of diy

VH fan · Dec 25, 2014

wllmc said:
I think at this point it doesnt really matter. I see the major contributors pulling back and staying out of the way because of comments like above. I for one have been pushed to the point I dont care anymore to be honest. to many here feed on the controversy as you can see people just cant let things go. its not even fun here anymore. so with that Im out VU best of luck to everyone.

Very sorry to hear this , Wllmc was always helpful to me as i'm sure he was to others , he was here from the beginning and will be sorely missed , dammit man.

my friend .

InMyImage · Dec 26, 2014

I think it is an interesting idea. My impression from Watch's forum is that the "owner" of a sub-forum has admin or moderator rights within that sub-forum and therefore can edit content, and therefore mute people who are not constructive, if not ban them altogether.
I have not been involved enough in the DIY forum to see much drama yet, but I don't doubt it is there. I definitely would love to see an area where a "master chef" can have more control to better organize their receipes via stickies instead of lumping them all into a single thread which is what I see right now for a lot of them.
So, assuming that the "owner" of the forum has the ability to control the content, users, and form of the sub, then I'm for it.

wllmc · Dec 26, 2014

VH fan said:
Very sorry to hear this , Wllmc was always helpful to me as i'm sure he was to others , he was here from the beginning and will be sorely missed , dammit man.

View attachment 11224 my friend .

ok damnit I cant leave I have to many questions of my own lol. but I am surely not going back into the the recipes and DIY section. been hovering in the mods and rebuildable sections. I'll probably still do reviews on flavoring from time to time and other supplies in the reviews part but thats pretty much it. no more recipes and no more advice about DIY unless I see someone just totally struggling and not getting help and certainly no more great debates. if someone wants to vape shoe polish more power to them lol. any of my friends can hit me up privately for recipes anytime.

AmandaD · Dec 26, 2014

I think it's an excellent idea and would likely make for a more constructive area. Of course, banning alts might also accomplish the same thing.

HeadInClouds · Dec 26, 2014

wllmc said:
ok damnit I cant leave I have to many questions of my own lol. but I am surely not going back into the the recipes and DIY section. been hovering in the mods and rebuildable sections. I'll probably still do reviews on flavoring from time to time and other supplies in the reviews part but thats pretty much it. no more recipes and no more advice about DIY unless I see someone just totally struggling and not getting help and certainly no more great debates. if someone wants to vape shoe polish more power to them lol. any of my friends can hit me up privately for recipes anytime.

Glad to see that, @wllmc . The subbasement of the underground, lol.

HeadInClouds · Dec 26, 2014

AmandaD said:
I think it's an excellent idea and would likely make for a more constructive area. Of course, banning alts might also accomplish the same thing.

At first I was amused to notice a member patting themselves on the back(s), using the same typos, misspellings, punctuation patterns, and word choices. But when 2 becomes 3 becomes 4, this eventually becomes irritating and a little disturbing.

VH fan · Dec 26, 2014

wllmc said:
ok damnit I cant leave I have to many questions of my own lol. but I am surely not going back into the the recipes and DIY section. been hovering in the mods and rebuildable sections. I'll probably still do reviews on flavoring from time to time and other supplies in the reviews part but thats pretty much it. no more recipes and no more advice about DIY unless I see someone just totally struggling and not getting help and certainly no more great debates. if someone wants to vape shoe polish more power to them lol. any of my friends can hit me up privately for recipes anytime.

YES!!!, I just logged on for the first time and saw this and it's fantastic news , great to have you back my friend , it's been a long time .

To think i may have contributed a wee amount to saving a fallen member is just astounding news , not that in reality i had anything to do with it but pretending i did is good enough for me .

Time for me to celebrate now , and another thing , if i catch anybody fucking with wllmc or making life for him overly difficult "watch the hell out " , i'll not only hunt your ass down but i may come after your family as well.

JXN · Dec 27, 2014

Geesh, I leave the DIY section only to find this thread. More enjoyable there.Glad wilmc is sticking around.

chickenmonkey · Dec 27, 2014

wllmc said:
I think at this point it doesnt really matter. I see the major contributors pulling back and staying out of the way because of comments like above. I for one have been pushed to the point I dont care anymore to be honest. to many here feed on the controversy as you can see people just cant let things go. its not even fun here anymore. so with that Im out VU best of luck to everyone.

Don't leave that would be too sad.

Thunderball · Dec 27, 2014

Stick around Wllmc....not the same without you. I followed you over here from ECF. I never had an infraction or a ban from that other site and was there for quite a while. I dont know where this trouble maker shit comes from. Then again I probably do....

HeadInClouds said:
At first I was amused to notice a member patting themselves on the back(s), using the same typos, misspellings, punctuation patterns, and word choices. But when 2 becomes 3 becomes 4, this eventually becomes irritating and a little disturbing.

Your not the only one that noticed this. Ive been a bit scarce myself of late because Im tired of the same person with multiple names/avatars going into threads making statements then coming right back in under different names answering them selves and them patting themselves on the back under another name.

freemind · Dec 27, 2014

You know, there are LOTS of accusations and assumptions flying about.

The Mods and Admins DO know who would have multiple accounts. You all REALIZE this, right?

I'm not blind or stupid. I see who likes stirring the pot.

Ld3441 · Dec 27, 2014

Ok, so I have to ask... why does this bother several of you so bad?
I mean seriously? If someone wants to have multiple accounts and spend their day talking to their self what do I care?
I would think if there wasn't such a stink made about it they would likely get bored with the whole thing.
Of course I could be wrong and probably am.

Can we just put this to rest?

RocketPuppy · Dec 28, 2014

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but having multiple accounts does bother me. If a member posts how great a recipe is or how wonderful something else is or offers advice, and others follow suit to praise it, I'm inclined to be interested. If it's one person posting as many, I could just read someone's personal blog or watch someone's videos. I'm not a blind consumer, but I come here for recommendations and ideas. I come here to learn new things. What's the point in coming here if the same person is complimenting their own ideas? I usually don't have all the ingredients, so if people are admiring a particular recipe, I don't want to waste money on a flavor if all who adore the recipe are actually one person.

In terms of groups or leaders or whatever, I don't get it. Maybe I'm naive or daft or both. I absolutely adore FA! I also absolutely adore TFA, INW, and many others. Am I in some type of group with a leader? I wish I belonged to something. Do I want to come here and read about everyone's opinions? Absolutely! ... but not if it's one person shelling out all that information disguised as multiplies.

In terms of the ECF troublemakers, I wasn't one of them. I would surmise that most of the members here are from ECF, not just the trouble makers. There are even threads here dedicated to criticizing it. I came here because unlike ECF, I can be appropriate but also not worry if I'm so excited about something, I accidentally cuss. I can also question something, and this is important to me. When someone says something that seems off to me, I like to be able to ask and find out more, something that is also shunned upon there.

People from all over search for diy information, and when this site comes up as a source, I think it's important that the information presented is concise and trustworthy. When one person is using multiple accounts to back up information it's unscrupulous and counter-productive.

I am not trying to attack anyone, and if you feel that I said something incorrectly, please message me. I am not backing up a leader, and all the views expressed above are mine.

Michelle

AmandaD · Dec 28, 2014

RocketPuppy said:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but having multiple accounts does bother me. If a member posts how great a recipe is or how wonderful something else is or offers advice, and others follow suit to praise it, I'm inclined to be interested. If it's one person posting as many, I could just read someone's personal blog or watch someone's videos. I'm not a blind consumer, but I come here for recommendations and ideas. I come here to learn new things. What's the point in coming here if the same person is complimenting their own ideas? I usually don't have all the ingredients, so if people are admiring a particular recipe, I don't want to waste money on a flavor if all who adore the recipe are actually one person.

In terms of groups or leaders or whatever, I don't get it. Maybe I'm naive or daft or both. I absolutely adore FA! I also absolutely adore TFA, INW, and many others. Am I in some type of group with a leader? I wish I belonged to something. Do I want to come here and read about everyone's opinions? Absolutely! ... but not if it's one person shelling out all that information disguised as multiplies.

In terms of the ECF troublemakers, I wasn't one of them. I would surmise that most of the members here are from ECF, not just the trouble makers. There are even threads here dedicated to criticizing it. I came here because unlike ECF, I can be appropriate but also not worry if I'm so excited about something, I accidentally cuss. I can also question something, and this is important to me. When someone says something that seems off to me, I like to be able to ask and find out more, something that is also shunned upon there.

People from all over search for diy information, and when this site comes up as a source, I think it's important that the information presented is concise and trustworthy. When one person is using multiple accounts to back up information it's unscrupulous and counter-productive.

I am not trying to attack anyone, and if you feel that I said something incorrectly, please message me. I am not backing up a leader, and all the views expressed above are mine.

Michelle

Very well said, as always

Ld3441 · Dec 28, 2014

I know you are not a trouble maker and I hope you realize I am not either.
I do understand what you are saying but I think "that" is going to happen anywhere and there is absolutely no way to make sure all posts are accurate and trustworthy. It just seems like a losing battle to me and not worth the effort.
I also think anyone getting into DIY needs to take the time to research for themselves and know what to believe.

RocketPuppy · Dec 28, 2014

I know this place shouldn't be a replica of ECF, but instead of having sub-forums, what about having member blogs? That way, anyone, not just DIY-ers, could have a place of their own.

wllmc · Dec 28, 2014

RocketPuppy said:
I know this place shouldn't be a replica of ECF, but instead of having sub-forums, what about having member blogs? That way, anyone, not just DIY-ers, could have a place of their own.

Im starting to lean towards the ideas of a blog also. that way I can have my own opinion and keep it lol. not sure there were really trouble makers at ECF. yes I was banned for talking about tfa mary jane and stood up for myself so if that is whats considered being a trouble maker then Im all in. that place was a nazi camp. you were not allowed to get out of line. I agree with rocket and think most of us came from ecf . this place is only 6 months old lol. we all came from somewhere this place was not always in existence. I also learned by roaming around VU there is way more drama outside the DIY than there is in the DIY lol. so I ran back home fast. what we need to do is agree to disagree sometimes. no one here is 100% right all the time. DIY is very much preference and opinion. there is no wrong way or right way. if someone wants to vape bath salt more power to them but dont damn me for not wanting to. If I like FA and want to vape FA then let me. I think its the best. I vaped damn near every flavor there is and thats what I like. I never speak on anything I have no knowledge of. If I want to buy from bull city and tell others I like to buy there let me and dont call me a shill for it. thats happened before. been called a shill for FA and bull city and vaperstek lol. why because I like them ? Ive never got anything free from anyone but since I dont use what the others are using it makes me a shill? lol. as far as multi accounts go lol. its funny to me and obvious who is who. I mean look here at this very post. who was the first one to start talking shit ? but the "FA group" is being bashed. so are we not allowed to stick up for ourselves on VU ? we all know who Tick was referring to, was that comment even necessary ? is his opinion on other people even valid in this topic ? the question was do we or do we not want sub catagories . it was not do you like or dislike HIC and wllmc and why. I dont think so but no one has said anything about Tick being a Dick lol. happy mixing everyone ! its sunday relax a little.

wllmc · Dec 28, 2014

tick22 said:
I mean do you have to bring up the same thing everytime?

right ! thats what I am saying ! lol.

Hobby Kid · Dec 28, 2014

RocketPuppy said:
I know this place shouldn't be a replica of ECF, but instead of having sub-forums, what about having member blogs? That way, anyone, not just DIY-ers, could have a place of their own.

hey now that's a really good idea, and one i was also thinking. but then i thought where does having non vape related stuff stop. like there are other places on the net for that. but then i thought why not? it's a good idea. not sure how one would go about implementing it though... 10,000 sub forums or a blog feature built into a member's profile page? it doesn't by itself quite solve the 'too many chefs spoil the broth' conundrum, or does it..

wllmc · Dec 28, 2014

Hobby Kid said:
hey now that's a really good idea, and one i was also thinking. but then i thought where does having non vape related stuff stop. like there are other places on the net for that. but then i thought why not? it's a good idea. not sure how one would go about implementing it though... 10,000 sub forums or a blog feature built into a member's profile page? it doesn't by itself quite solve the 'too many chefs spoil the broth' conundrum, or does it..

it doesnt @Hobby Kid but it might keep you in your own kitchen more lol. I'll give a little example. I have been using my tips and tricks thread and the flavor review thread as my personal blog and try to stay in those places. if someone wants to ask me a question they can go there and get my opinion and move on. to be honest the DIY needs a little more moderation. there are recipes in the general and question for advice in the recipes and reviews all over the place. I used to hate the stupid blogs on ECF but now I see a good point to it. If I could post a recipe in the recipes and also in my blog. a user could go right to my profile and see all my recipes in one spot. people could also see my reviews and opinions without going through pages and pages of stuff to find it. what might be better even is when you post you have an option to blog also so it would post both places at once. that way the main feeds stay busy with traffic but if you wanted to get off on exit 170 and see what wllmc has to say real quick , see my reviews and then jump back on the interstate you could. it might help to keep the bickering down or at least to a minimum. we are all very passionate about what we do and it tends to bleed off sometimes like anything else you really care about and work hard for rather than people out to get people for whatever imaginary reason.

wllmc · Dec 28, 2014

off topic as always but I'm still waiting on my "Certified wllmc" badge to @Hobby Kid lol

Hobby Kid · Dec 28, 2014

wllmc said:
it doesnt @Hobby Kid but it might keep you in your own kitchen more lol. I'll give a little example. I have been using my tips and tricks thread and the flavor review thread as my personal blog and try to stay in those places. if someone wants to ask me a question they can go there and get my opinion and move on. to be honest the DIY needs a little more moderation. there are recipes in the general and question for advice in the recipes and reviews all over the place. I used to hate the stupid blogs on ECF but now I see a good point to it. I could post a recipe in the recipes and also in my blog. a user could go right to my profile and see all my recipes in one spot. people could also see my reviews and opinions without going through pages and pages of stuff to find it. what might be better even is when you post you have an option to blog also so it would post both places at once. that way the main feeds stay busy with traffic but if you wanted to get off on exit 170 and see what wllmc has to say real quick and then jump back on the interstate you could. it might help to keep the bickering down or at least to a minimum. we are all very passionate about what we do and it tends to bleed off sometimes like anything else you really care about and work hard for rather than people out to get people for whatever imaginary reason.

hi @wllmc firstly, i'd like to say i'm glad you stayed. now you make some very good points which i'm sure the members will address. i liked the "exit 170" ; )

As for that kind of moderation, it's really for the Underground's members to self moderate. vu moderators are here for various reasons such as to ensure it isn't abused e.g. scammers, threats and so on. Personally i think a mod shouldn't really even take sides. a mod should be seen to allow someone to be wrong without getting on their case. Rather, members should feel (whether they've been right or wrong) that they can approach a moderator without fear of recrimination and discuss a point in private. that's my job. i make it so.

As for my own input into answering diy e-juice questions, my method is this: a squeeze of this, a blob of that, shake it all together, juice that wick up and fire that baby up!

Thunderball · Dec 28, 2014

Well said Rocket Puppy, Hobby Kid and Wllmc. I like the interstate analogy/example wllmc

Hobby Kid · Dec 28, 2014

wllmc said:
off topic as always but I'm still waiting on my "Certified wllmc" badge to @Hobby Kid lol

ah, that's outta my hands. you'll have to ask on joes badge page somewhere

wllmc · Dec 28, 2014

Hobby Kid said:
hi @wllmc

as for my own input into answering diy e-juice questions, my method is this: a squeeze of this, a blob of that, shake it all together, juice that wick up and fire that baby up!

I have a friend that lives by your method lol. he buys 12mg nic and 4oz bottles of flavoring and just pours stuff together lol. its like nails on a chalkboard to me but I'll admit it comes out pretty good sometimes. he is like the mikey of vapes. he will vape anything.

Hobby Kid · Dec 28, 2014

wllmc said:
I have a friend that lives by your method lol. he buys 12mg nic and 4oz bottles of flavoring and just pours stuff together lol. its like nails on a chalkboard to me but I'll admit it comes out pretty good sometimes. he is like the mikey of vapes. he will vape anything.

haha well it does me just fine (but do measure the nicotine else you'll ruin it)

wally · Dec 28, 2014

A good rule of the thumb is... If it aint broke don't fix it !!! This rule always holds true.

Bplus · Dec 28, 2014

I'm not voting on this since I'm pretty new here.
From a new to vu (never an ecf member either) and new diy'er, the searching in sub forums is rough. I don't know if this is because I'm using my phone or just the forum in general.

I'm actually having more luck on google typing in a flavor or recipe with "vu" after it and letting it redirect me back here.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing people with blogs here or a section where I can see their entire database of recipes vs scrolling through pages of threads.

Just a newb's take on it.

And glad you decided to stay @wllmc , you and a quite a few others have been very helpful.

VH fan · Dec 28, 2014

HeadInClouds said:
At first I was amused to notice a member patting themselves on the back(s), using the same typos, misspellings, punctuation patterns, and word choices. But when 2 becomes 3 becomes 4, this eventually becomes irritating and a little disturbing.

I did not like that this was allowed when i found out about it many months ago . Joe posted on his blog how great VU was and how his site is setting records regarding new member sign ups .

When he linked to a discussion board i felt it was only right to bring up the fact that this site allows members to create numerous identities and there is no possible way he can accurately claim how many members he REALLY has by allowing this .

It was apparent to me that allowing this but keeping it mum was going to be of great benefit to him and his site and imo thats the sole reason why it's still allowed .

It's dishonest, makes the site appear to have many more members than it actually does and gives members a much better chance to win something when entering contests . I say it's a bullshit practice any way you decide to look at it.

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