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So my local B&M vape guy and I were talkin about winnin the lottery, retirement, and what would we do. Bein as I want to stay active even after retirement I want somethin simple to do and still bring in an income. Car wash and coin laundromat are obvious, but my own vape shop would have its perks.

However, with retirement 30 years away I began to wonder if vaping will still be viable in 30 years. If states go the way of what Hawaii is wanting to do, basically raise the smoking age to 100, practically banning smoking. If something of that nature were to happen, even if vape shops were left as they are restriction wise.

Would vape shops still be significant enough to survive 30 years time?

Lots of ground to cover on everything, but I figured I would leave it open to the imagination. I was just curious what other people thought of the vaping industry in the future, should smoking ultimately be banned.
 
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Unless the Deeming Regs are rescinded or greatly changed sales of virtually all vaping stuff will end in under 3 years.
8-8-2022 if the latest full implementation date for the deeming regs and enforcement of them.
What it means that NO vaping stuff, mods, attys, juice, etc will be allowed to be sold in the USA unless it was being sold in the USA before February 2007 I think it is. Which was basically cigalikes and some clearomizers and Ego batteries pretty much.

Penalties for violating the regs can range as high as 1 million dollars.

Ohh they can be sold if they pass a PMTA permitting process by the FDA which is very expensive.
And I do not think that any vape product has passed yet
 
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Wow, so I definately wasnt as up to date on the regs as I thought. Well that would be an instant kill to this topic.

So lets assume they did as you say Cromwell. Changed the regulations to a more positive note that would keep the vaping industry healthy and happy. Now what in 30 years?
 
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The full implementation and full enforcement of the deeming regs was just delayed nothing has changed otherwise with them.

In 30 years? I have no idea. I am retired now and will be dead before then.
Just look at what has happened in the last 30 years..
Tech and such will change quite a bit.
Humans will change very little or if they do prolly get worse.
I expect another major war in the next 30 years.
the living standard in the USA is very likely to decline noticeably over the course of the next 30 years.
And we will still be electing corrupt idiots to rule us. And that is a non partisan statement.
 
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OmagaWright said:
Would vape shops still be significant enough to survive 30 years time?
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I hope vaping is still relevant in 30 years time - hard to predict A) the political climate B) the public as it relates to vaping, and the state of nicotine use

Interesting question from a completely different perspective than mine - looking to go into semi-retirement after being a business owner for over 25 years

Unless you are energetic, have a good retirement plan in place, and don't mind gambling a little, opening or buying a business after retirement is not something I would recommend, especially if you are relying on the income or can't afford to gamble with your assets

Here's why: owning a business is harder work than being an employee, pure and simple

The risks are high, but the rewards can be great too

Now working in someone else's vape shop as a retirement job is something to consider though
 
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I too hope that vaping is still around as well. If not for nicotine, something about the motions is satisfying enough in its own right. Of course, if my current job lasts the 30 years as it has already, the retirement wil be fine, attitude is questionable lol.

You are right that there will be risks and benefits, hopefully benefits if vapin turns for the better. I've been the employee for far too long and would love to have my own place to call home. A bit of income, something to be proud of as a life accomplishment, and a lil something to sell/give my daughter when my time comes. Already did the store manager bit awhile back, but nothing on the ownage side. Plenty of time to read "How to be a business owner for dummies" books lol
 
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Another thing to consider is that vaping may still be around in some form in 30 years but the form/methods of vaping will likely have changed.
The 510 connector may be extinct for one thing. And who knows what else.
Perhaps they will get ultrasonic vaping going well?
Laser vaping?
Around 30 years ago the hottest mobile communications device out was the Blackberry...
and the Yugo had hit the US market.
The first Wifi was released to consumers in 1997 and Bluetooth hit the market less than 20 years ago.
 
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The Cromwell said:
Another thing to consider is that vaping may still be around in some form in 30 years but the form/methods of vaping will likely have changed.
The 510 connector may be extinct for one thing. And who knows what else.
Perhaps they will get ultrasonic vaping going well?
Laser vaping?
Around 30 years ago the hottest mobile communications device out was the Blackberry...
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That part will be very interesting

After the introduction of the filter, little changed about cigarettes except the additives BT starting putting in cigarettes to make them more addictive :mad:
 
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That part will be very interesting

After the introduction of the filter, little changed about cigarettes except the additives BT starting putting in cigarettes to make them more addictive :mad:
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Cigarettes are a much simpler product and so much more universally acceptable to humans than vaping.
I think one change will be cheaper and simpler vaping devices like Juul style to make them much simpler to use and more universally acceptable because of their ease of use.
In saying cheaper I mean cheaper in relation to smoking and what they are now. But that will change with increased taxes, inflation and such things.
I do expect that governments will push to make all vaping systems be sealed prefilled systems and built in batteries.
Not that I in any way want those restrictions but I expect it to go that way.
 
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Cigarettes are a much simpler product and so much more universally acceptable to humans than vaping.
I think one change will be cheaper and simpler vaping devices like Juul style to make them much simpler to use and more universally acceptable.
I do expect that governments will push to make all vaping systems be sealed prefilled systems and built in batteries.
Not that I in any way want those restrictions but I expect it to go that way.
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Would not surprise me one bit
 
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I am working my way to having supplies in place over the next year or 2 to have everything I need for the vapocolypse like plenty of nic, wire, mods, batteries, tanks, vg, etc. I figure I am realistically nearer the end of my useful life than most (I smoked for 48 years) so I can realistically stock up on everything I might need in the years I have left. For my consumables like coils, wicks, and juice I am now completely DIY. It is a great cost savings for me. I don't think it would be any cheaper than smoking if I bought everything ready made. As it is, I spend way less now on vaping than I did on cowboy killers. Up front stuff for awhile like a scale, lab equipment for mixing juice, other tools, etc. but those were one time costs and now I'm set.

I'm certain that we are on the cusp of becoming part of an outlawed activity. The gummint just won't be able to resist coming down on all of us who vape; I see the handwriting on the wall already. Big gummint can't tax it and regulate it enough for them to allow it so it will go the way of many other pastimes that are associated with people who do things a little different than most. I just can't see myself getting along with a Juul or some other rinky-dink toy.
 
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all of that isn't going to happen. except for the high tax thing. you see, all of the kids that are vaping now, will be VOTERS in the near future = get it ?
 
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jinx'd said:
all of that isn't going to happen. except for the high tax thing. you see, all of the kids that are vaping now, will be VOTERS in the near future = get it ?
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Yeah that worked so well for smokers didn't it?
Vapers are a smaller headcount by far than smokers are now even at the greatly reduced rate of smokers.

The FDA is not elected.
And our elected officials have thusfar done NOTHING to blunt the upcoming effects of the Deming regs.
they have proposed flavor bans and such though...
 
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jinx'd said:
all of that isn't going to happen. except for the high tax thing. you see, all of the kids that are vaping now, will be VOTERS in the near future = get it ?
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Vapers and smokers lumped together are still far outnumbered by nonsmokers, who won't give a hoot and are also likely to fall for all the lies about vaping
 
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Vapers and smokers lumped together are still far outnumbered by nonsmokers, who won't give a hoot and are also likely to fall for all the lies about vaping
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THIS!

And vapers on boards like this are a tiny miniscule minority. Even among vapers.
 
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And as a contributing member of CASA I have not heard anything from them for maybe a year? At least 6 months.
So do not count on them.

I am a firm believer that if you like open style vaping you need to stock up on hardware and learn DIY.
If you have the hardware you should be able to get the DIY juice supplies except maybe for freebase nic. I expect it to become regulated in the fairly near future. Where you have to have a licence or something to buy it.
The kids with their nic toothpics, Juul's and such are leading it in that direction.

I feel that at best only some sealed pod style systems will be available a few years down the road.

And yes the Deeming regs also address buying vape stuff from overseas.

I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but do not think so.
 
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mark my words. once people realize what vaping actually is, much of the fear and hate will all but disappear. it will take time.

but, it will be heavily regulated. that's how they will get their hands in our pockets.
 
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mark my words. once people realize what vaping actually is, much of the fear and hate will all but disappear. it will take time.

but, it will be heavily regulated. that's how they will get their hands in our pockets.
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Yep heavily regulated as in only sealed pod systems with internal batteries allowed.
That is the best I expect.

And it will be enough to get those off of cigs that want to get off using vaping.
 
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Scary stuff if the regs dont get lifted in the near future.

I cant imagine what everybody in the vape industry will profit towards the end if it looks like it'll be killed off. I can almost see people like @The Cromwell who have stocked up to sell juice for a hefty profit.
 
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Scary stuff if the regs dont get lifted in the near future.

I cant imagine what everybody in the vape industry will profit towards the end if it looks like it'll be killed off. I can almost see people like @The Cromwell who have stocked up to sell juice for a hefty profit.
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Have never sold any vape stuff and have no plans to do so. Have given a fair bit away though.

I buy enough stuff to last me.

to make juice will require PMTA approval for each juice and a Tobacco products manufacturers licence.
 
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Have never sold any vape stuff and have no plans to do so. Have given a fair bit away though.

I buy enough stuff to last me.

to make juice will require PMTA approval for each juice and a Tobacco products manufacturers licence.
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Not meant to say you have or would sell. Just makin the point of the fact that you have a stockpile of juice, supplies, and equipment.

Anybody with a decent stockpile could say, make their own juice or coils and turn around and sell them for a marked up price should vaping be banned or heavily regulated to extinction. Simply put, drug dealing respectively. Seriously, how many people would pay someone to get their nic fix? Its bound to happen.
 
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Virtually all vape businesses in the USA are currently in violation of FDA regs.
NO vape stuff not on US market prior 8-8-2016 is allowed to be sold.
Only the enforcement and time to file for PMTA has been delayed for items on market prior to 8-8-2016.
Items not on market before 8-8-2016 require a prior PMTA approval before being sold.
That was not delayed.
this includes hardware and juice.

When enforcement kicks in it will be nasty.

I have a totally clean criminal history and have no desire to get into trouble selling vape stuff.
LOL I have however bought stuff that was sold illegally :)
Most of my vape stuff actually.
 
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