STORING JUICE?

i was thinking about stocking up on the few juices i like. but i'm wondering.
if juice improves with steeping, at some point, it will start to degrade.
how long will good juice last?
will freezing keep it good longer?

Most commercial juices will be good for several years if the nic is good quality but there may be some flavor fade over time. Store in a cool dark place.

thanks, leti

susieqz said:

i was thinking about stocking up on the few juices i like. but i'm wondering.
if juice improves with steeping, at some point, it will start to degrade.
how long will good juice last?
will freezing keep it good longer?

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Juice technically does not expire... However, you are right, it does degrade at a certain point. My general rule of thumb...

cloudy plastic - 1 year
clear (PET) plastic - 2 years
Glass - 2/3 years

Flavor manufacturers do not recommend freezing.

My experience/opinion differs 180 degrees. Nicotine oxidizes quickly.

The minute you add nicotine to juice, (and contact with air) it begins to decay in earnest.
Your juices will go from clearish to gold and darker within a couple months.
Year old juice is not a good taste either.

But the good news is that you CAN expect a year or two of your stored juice remaining clear and delicious
if ya just don't add the nic until you begin vaping it. Seriously, that's the secret to longevity.

imo, even year old No-Nic juice will lose a tiny bit of flavor; some flavors fade more quickly.
But the same exact year-old nicotine premixed juice will taste like nic. This is because
nicotine oxides at a muuuch faster rate than inert ingredients like PG & VG.

But obv, you can't do this if you're buying pre-made juices.
This, to me is one of the greatest advantages of DIY.

Not that I'm trying to entice you into the dark arts of making your own juices... but we do have cookies.

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hellcatrydr said:

My experience/opinion differs 180 degrees. Nicotine oxidizes quickly.

The minute you add nicotine to juice, (and contact with air) it begins to decay in earnest.
Your juices will go from clearish to gold and darker within a couple months.
Year old juice is not a good taste either.

But the good news is that you CAN expect a year or two of your stored juice remaining clear and delicious
if ya just don't add the nic until you begin vaping it. Seriously, that's the secret to longevity.

imo, even year old No-Nic juice will lose a tiny bit of flavor; some flavors fade more quickly.
But the same exact year-old nicotine premixed juice will taste like nic. This is because
nicotine oxides at a muuuch faster rate than inert ingredients like PG & VG.

But obv, you can't do this if you're buying pre-made juices.
This, to me is one of the greatest advantages of DIY.

Not that I'm trying to entice you into the dark arts of making your own juices... but we do have cookies.

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^^^THIS^^^

After one year (or prior), it's time to shitcan store bought juice....turns black, tastes terrible.....that's my experience with juice from Numerous vendors.

thanks, guys.
i was kinda hoping to store several year's supply to guard against unfriendly govt action.
dyi is not for me.
most juices i hate n the ones i like i can't taste what i'm supposed to taste.

susieqz said:

thanks, guys.
i was kinda hoping to store several year's supply to guard against unfriendly govt action.
dyi is not for me.
most juices i hate n the ones i like i can't taste what i'm supposed to taste.

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Yeah, this just isn't practical. Even without adding nic, and kept under refrigeration, that's just too old. jmo

Did I mention DIY is not subject to ANY state or federal vape taxes?
There are many great DIY recipes. Plus there is an entire enclave of those who clone retail juices.
Plus some well known juices' actual recipes have leaked over the years.
Plus it costs like 15 cents per ml...! You just need the right recipe one time.
And once you get this recipe, you will be ensconced in a warm feeling of gub'mint-free vaping.
@Teresa P & @Huckleberried and a bunch of others over in that sub...

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sigh.
i guess i'll do dyi just before the govt crack down.
makes vaping less appealing, tho.

I won't speak to taste since that's fairly subjective but as far as nicotine significantly degrading in a year or so, well, not so much from what I have heard/seen.

There was a test done several years back ( when most folks used nicotine at much higher levels ) to determine how much potency loss would be seen in a given time frame and it was surprising, at least to me, at how little there actually was even when subjected to worst case scenarios. As part of the test they first measured the beginning nicotine level ( via a nic test ) and proceeded to measure it periodically over several months. At times they would let the juice sit out on a windowsill and/or car dashboard, subjected to considerable light and heat yet surprisingly, despite adverse conditions and a years time, the potency loss was still less than 10%.

Granted the focus of this test was to determine how much nicotine degradation one might expect to experience and not how it affected the taste of said juice but, if I recall correctly, it was still vapable even if not as pristine as it might have been otherwise. I do suspect there would be some flavor fade and probably an increase in the actual taste that nicotine brings with it but only you would be able to say whether or not it was significant enough to make it unvapable. I should mention also that the devices available today are much more capable of presenting flavor nuances than their earlier counterparts so that could wind up being a factor as well but we also tend to use much lower levels of nicotine too so that may offset some of that.

Anyway, just playing devils advocate here and not trying to influence you one way or the other. You didn't mention how much you wanted to stockpile but you should be safe to do so easily for a year or more. As has been mentioned however, the only foolproof means of protecting yourself from a potential government flavor ban is to DIY ... or at the very least, have a good friend who does.

what i on't get is that storing nicotine in the freezer makes it last, why does freezing juice not work?

Supposedly freezing flavors can cause some of the compounds to separate. This isn't a problem with just Nicotine base.

that makes sense.

vaping is very hard.
i've spent countless hours trying to figure out what mooch has to say.
now i gotta study dyi?
cigarettes start to look appealing.

susieqz said:

that makes sense.

vaping is very hard.
i've spent countless hours trying to figure out what mooch has to say.
now i gotta study dyi?
cigarettes start to look appealing.

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Vaping is only as complicated as you make it. It can be very simple if you don't overthink things. Just get a decent setup, a good tasting juice and enjoy. Don't put the pressure of gov't what if's on yourself like that. PG, VG, nicotine, and flavorings will ALWAYS be available. There is no need to worry about that.

pami, you think nicotine is safe?
i kinda thot that they'd hit that.

susieqz said:

pami, you think nicotine is safe?
i kinda thot that they'd hit that.

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Nicotine ain't going nowhere.

Countrypami said:

Nicotine ain't going nowhere.

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I truly hope you are right but honestly, I am not nearly as confident about that as you. Nicotine is clearly under the purview of the FDA and as such, they could shut down private purchase of it at any time. There aren't any valid consumer uses for it outside of vape juice that I am aware of so I can't see any recourse for us if they do decide to restrict availability.

I'm not trying to a Debbie Downer here, I just think it's prudent to consider the possibility. To my knowledge, the FDA hasn't indicated this is imminent or even likely but it is a weak link in our ability to be self reliant and for that reason, I think it would a mistake to assume the FDA won't use that power against us.

i was thinking, at the very least, that nicotine is ripe for a sin tax.

susieqz said:

what i on't get is that storing nicotine in the freezer makes it last, why does freezing juice not work?

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The flavorings are not meant to be frozen while the bases (VG/PG) and Nicotine will not freeze the flavorings can be adversely affected.

NGAHaze said:

I truly hope you are right but honestly, I am not nearly as confident about that as you. Nicotine is clearly under the purview of the FDA and as such, they could shut down private purchase of it at any time. There aren't any valid consumer uses for it outside of vape juice that I am aware of so I can't see any recourse for us if they do decide to restrict availability.

I'm not trying to a Debbie Downer here, I just think it's prudent to consider the possibility. To my knowledge, the FDA hasn't indicated this is imminent or even likely but it is a weak link in our ability to be self reliant and for that reason, I think it would a mistake to assume the FDA won't use that power against us.

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Nicotine has multiple other uses besides being in tobacco. It's main use is as a pesticide.

Countrypami said:

Nicotine has multiple other uses besides being in tobacco. It's main use is as a pesticide.

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I understand there is some research being done on possible benefits nicotine might provide for various conditions but nicotine pesticides haven't been available commercially in the U.S. since 2014 by order of the EPA. I'm not aware of any other legitimate consumer uses for it personally but obviously that doesn't mean they don't exist, only that I've never heard of them.

Again, I hope you're right but I'm not gonna bet any money on it, lol!

For the record, I've had no issues freezing flavors because PG doesn't freeze. I've also had no problems with any components separating during freezing, everything tastes the same as before it hit the freezer. Looks the same, tastes the same, vapes the same. I've never frozen juice so I can't say what the end result would be, but in my mind nothing would change. Just my experienced 2¢, nothing more.