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Ephraim

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I have 6 wraps of n80 on a 20700 Purge mech mod. It tastes better then my quad core claptons I have on my Drag. Why do mechs taste better?
 

MrMeowgi

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Just a simple single core wire tastes better than a quad core? I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's because the single wire coils heats a ton faster because of less coil mass. So you get a faster vape. And not have to wait on the ramp up time. Anyhow. Glad you're enjoying it
 

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The same thing happens with me.
For me regular round dual 316 stainless coils work better than the 316 stainless fused claptons.

With exotic coils it feels like the juice is mostly being vaporized off of the metal instead of the cotton
 

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The same thing happens with me.
For me regular round dual 316 stainless coils work better than the 316 stainless fused claptons.

With exotic coils it feels like the juice is mostly being vaporized off of the metal instead of the cotton
You actually have a good point. Never thought about it like that. Mostly I use fused anyways. But every now and then I'll do something different. But each coil definitely has its own strengths
 

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Mechs don't necessarily always taste better for me, as that heavily depends on the coil build, like, for example, on how well the coil build is matched to the power output of the mech setup (i.e., the voltage drop of both the mod and the atomizer, in cohort with the battery voltage sag of the battery you select for vaping), and, for another example, the wicking capacity and the wicking speed of not just the cotton wicks, but of the wicked up coils that are a wicking system in which the actual coils themselves are contributing positively to these factors. More often than not, I find that the flavor gets partially killed by coil builds that are characterized by thick impervious lumps of metal with not a lot of tiny cavities and crevasses through which juice can flow and gets sucked from the cotton into the coils.

So basically, with the right coils and the right wicking job, and the right choice of battery, mechs do taste better for me because regulated mods aren't capable to accurately mimic the short aggressive preheat curve, or big spike that results from a battery's voltage sag behavior, as regulated mods are designed typically to suppress that initial spike. This typical suppression is something that you can actually see, by looking at the zoomed versions of the pulsed current discharge graphs that Mooch no longer posts, but are still visible in his older battery test results pages. Specifically, look at what the start of a pull looks like on those graphs, and, next, compare that to what the start of a pull looks like with a regulated mod in all the review videos by Daniel (DJLSB Vapes) on YouTube... you'll see there is no big spike to be seen in any of Daniel's power output measurement graphs. Not one.
 
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Simplistic. Pure control
 

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Just a simple single core wire tastes better than a quad core? I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's because the single wire coils heats a ton faster because of less coil mass. So you get a faster vape. And not have to wait on the ramp up time. Anyhow. Glad you're enjoying it
Simple qualty wire(say kidney puncher) in comparison to a complex builds with cheap crappy wire.
 

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Simplistic. Pure control
Agreed... IF the user is the type of user who is capable to understand the various complexities inherent of how to adequately control it in such a way that it tastes better despite that flavor is largely subjectiveness. For me, simplistically, it is the exact opposite of getting simplistic flavor as a result from the user's approach being overly simplistic, as these two factors also need to work in tandem of course so nevertheless there is definitely a learning curve involved.
 

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Honestly, this sounds like a lot of bull. I can take an RDA and stick it on a regulated and really fine tune the vape. On some regulated I can also get that preheat curve refined the way I like it. And it is way more consistent than a mech with some chips. I'm not knocking mechs. I love mechs. But really? Your control on a mech - even if you are an experienced builder - cannot equal a really good chip set.
 

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Yep it is easier to find a good vape combination that works for you on a regulated mod.
As I said it is all in the combination of the atty, coil, wicking, coil placement, and voltage applied to the atty by the mod.
And of course the ejuice you use.
Some are better at higher temps and some at lower temps.

Whatever works best for YOU is the best vape :)
 

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Not the mod.
all about coil, atty and juice and temp/wattage you run it at.
Just a better working combination on the mech.

As much as I hate to admit it I finally agree with this Grumpy Old Fart. Not the Mech it is how you are using the coil/s.
 

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But really?
Yes really. A regulated mod can change the power output only a very limited number of times per second so as a result the start of the power output curve can never look as aggressive/sharp as the start of the voltage sag from a battery being pulsed... the latter looks similar to this:

sag.jpg
 

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nah...flavor chasers care about Genisis atties. my best gennys can deliver better flavor than any cotton stuffed atty regardless of what mod you put them on.
For me, those kinds of things are the antithesis of flavor chasing.
 

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For me, those kinds of things are the antithesis of flavor chasing.
Nobody that has been here for any time cares what your ***** freak self thinks. Put away the ****.


Edited by MrMeowgi for drug reference and context
 
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Carambrda

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how so ...you ever vape a genny with a mesh wick.
Yuppers... the flavor performance of that stuff is mediocre at best. There used to be a time when it was the best there was (and the only way to get real flavor), but thankfully those days have passed or I would still be smoking cigarettes.
 

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Yuppers... the flavor performance of that stuff is mediocre at best. There used to be a time when it was the best there was (and the only way to get real flavor), but thankfully those days have passed or I would still be smoking cigarettes.
nothing moved on....cotton is just not a good wick for flavor chasing...it's a great wick for cloud chasing it can absorb and hold a lot of juice,but it mutes the flavor profile.
 

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nothing moved on....cotton is just not a good wick for flavor chasing...it's a great wick for cloud chasing it can absorb and hold a lot of juice,but it mutes the flavor profile.
I couldn't disagree more. It only mutes the flavor if you use the type of cotton that is of poor quality or it hasn't broken in yet (I use Cotton Bacon Prime, which has virtually no break in time) and/or you don't know how to adjust airflow, how to position the coils, and also how to wick up the type of advanced coil builds that are designed with flavor chasing specifically in mind so everything has moved on, just some people haven't, but whatever makes them feel happy is fine so I'm not in any way trying to force anyone to move on despite I don't see a reason for me to move backwards of course.
 

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I couldn't disagree more. It only mutes the flavor if you use the type of cotton that is of poor quality or it hasn't broken in yet (I use Cotton Bacon Prime, which has virtually no break in time) and/or you don't know how to adjust airflow, how to position the coils, and also how to wick up the type of advanced coil builds that are designed with flavor chasing specifically in mind so everything has moved on, just some people haven't, but whatever makes them feel happy is fine so I'm not in any way trying to force anyone to move on despite I don't see a reason for me to move backwards of course.
Well I got sitting in front of me a Wasp nano with an .45 alien coil and cotton bacon prime...then I have a Nextera with a #300 ss mesh wick within a wick with 27 gauge kanthal....I've gone up and down wattage and airflows......and.the Nextera wins hands down to me....
 

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Well I got sitting in front of me a Wasp nano with an .45 alien coil and cotton bacon prime...then I have a Nextera with a #300 ss mesh wick within a wick with 27 gauge kanthal....I've gone up and down wattage and airflows......and.the Nextera wins hands down to me....
You seem to prefer a small chamber size so I'll just limit my talk to the 2 smallest ones I have... they are the Purge Mods Head Shot (it has a 19.5mm build deck) and the Comp Lyfe Battle Deck 22mm. In pure terms of flavor performance, neither the Wasp Nano nor the Nextera can hold a candle against either of them so, I know people on here have talked about the Wasp Nano and I know they have talked about the Wotofo Recurve, and they have praised them to beyond high heavens, but that doesn't change the simple fact these RDAs leave me stone cold due to their flavor performance being only so so, nothing to jump up and down about excepting only if you're coming from something that's even worse, which a lot of people obviously are so it does figure, but personally I am not. Further, I don't vape on a .45 alien coil. That's because a .45 alien coil holds the flavor back a lot also. That is, all at least in my own personal experience.
 

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Agreed... IF the user is the type of user who is capable to understand the various complexities inherent of how to adequately control it in such a way that it tastes better despite that flavor is largely subjectiveness. For me, simplistically, it is the exact opposite of getting simplistic flavor as a result from the user's approach being overly simplistic, as these two factors also need to work in tandem of course so nevertheless there is definitely a learning curve involved.
I meant simplistic as in battery n build. No chip or anything that needs a users manual. Ohms law n common sense. Lol
 

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You seem to prefer a small chamber size so I'll just limit my talk to the 2 smallest ones I have... they are the Purge Mods Head Shot (it has a 19.5mm build deck) and the Comp Lyfe Battle Deck 22mm. In pure terms of flavor performance, neither the Wasp Nano nor the Nextera can hold a candle against either of them so, I know people on here have talked about the Wasp Nano and I know they have talked about the Wotofo Recurve, and they have praised them to beyond high heavens, but that doesn't change the simple fact these RDAs leave me stone cold due to their flavor performance being only so so, nothing to jump up and down about excepting only if you're coming from something that's even worse, which a lot of people obviously are so it does figure, but personally I am not. Further, I don't vape on a .45 alien coil. That's because a .45 alien coil holds the flavor back a lot also. That is, all at least in my own personal experience.
so You own a nextera?......there isn't an atty you can name that wouldn't have better flavor if I put a mesh wick in it...the issue isn't the atty it is the wick ...some wicks deliver better flavor..ceramic probablly the best flavor than any wick... then mesh, and then cotton IMO..the only reason the use of cotton is so widespread is because you can blow huge clouds with it , and the industry promoted cloud chasing it was good bussiness. and because it is the easist of those three wicks to work with ,and because it is cheap......it's flavor performace was never a reason cotton was used...hell if ceramic wicks weren't so expensive, and fragile, I'd still be using them.
 
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Carambrda

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Seems to be a linkage with the decline in common sense in America and manuals only being on the net?
Nah. Not just in America because I can very clearly see it happening over here too, and, thus far, manuals only being on the net has made good sense to me each time when I needed to grab one from there so it would appear to me that not all common sense is lost (yet).
 

Carambrda

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so You own a nextera?......there isn't an atty you can name that wouldn't have better flavor if I put a mesh wick in it...the issue isn't the atty it is the wick ...some wicks deliver better flavor..ceramic probablly the best flavor than any wick... then mesh, and then cotton IMO..the only reason the use of cotton is so widespread is because you can blow huge clouds with it , and the industry promoted cloud chasing it was good bussiness. and because it is the easist of those three wicks to work with ,and because it is cheap......it's flavor performace was never a reason cotton was used...hell if ceramic wicks weren't so expensive, and fragile, I'd still be using them.
No, I don't own one. That's just because usually I don't waste my money on stuff I simply don't like, and, as for your argument re cotton and cloud chasing, I call BS based purely on the rigorous widespread scientific notion that the actual feel of the vape is also among heavily important factors that simply DEFINE flavor.
 

PaulS

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It all comes down to your style of vape. You absolutely do not need a mech and a RDA to get great flavor. Don't tell me that my Scottua V4 on top of a DNA does not produce flavor and clouds equal to any mech set up. It most certainly does. And if you MTL there are a slew of good choices ...

All this talk about ramp up, aggressive voltage etc., is just misleading. Honestly, for a consistent vape regulated are perfect. Now I confess, I'm not fond of putting my RDAs on regulated mods. I have my tubes for that. But I'll put a RDA on a PWM without hesitation. and I can adjust the output up and down as I prefer while vaping without being confined by the build.

So do as you prefer but there is a place for everything.
 

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Don't tell me that my Scottua V4 on top of a DNA does not produce flavor and clouds equal to any mech set up.
OK, I won't tell you that. Instead, I'll just send it to you by telegram. ;)
 

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