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SQ is what the company making the Dead Rabbit RDA, which is a dripping atomizer, decided to use to differentiate the bottom feeding version of the RDA. Squonking is using a mod that has a juice bottle built in, squeezeing the bottle and sending juice up the tube into the RDA. It's kind of reverse of dripping, where you carry a bottle of juice around and drip into the RDA. Both ways have their advantages and disadvantages. :)

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This is one of the squonking mods I use. It uses an 18650 battery shoved into the aluminum under the fire button. The hole cut out lets you reach grubby fingers or paws around and squeeze / squonk the juice bottle mounted directly under the connector for the RDA. This is a mechanical mod, no wires or circuits to get all fouled up, simple. :)

The term squonk comes from the sound of the juice after filling the wick of the RDA, going back down through the RDA's 510 pin & the air, pressure released from squeezed the plastic/silicone bottle. There's also other less polite explanations for the term squonking but I'll just let those get found out if you really want and go looking yourself. *chuckles* I like dripping but at the same time don't want to have to carry an external bottle, just seems kind of redundant, silly to me. Don't care much for tanks now either so, squonking it is for me.

Dripping / RDAs versus Tanking / RTA ... I really cannot say one is better or worse, only from my own view. Tanks didn't give me flavor but I have limited sense of taste and congenital anosmia. Besides that I'm not exactly a cloud chaser but yes, it's nice to halfway fill a room with vapor on exhale at times. I like the texture of vapor which might seem a bit odd. Tanks hampered that as well. I also get good direct lung hits from an RDA. I could do lung hitting on tanks but it was a bit troublesome in the doing.

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OK gang
am getting ready to click BUY NOW at ailibaba for the Dead Rabbit RTA
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yet am gonna need coils sooooooooooooo
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20190612124422&SearchText=rta+coils
HELP what works and has a HOT CLEAN NONE METALIC Burn
also the Wick
what would be Best

My favorite metal for coils is Nichrome 80 (N80). I use stainless steel when I'm building an atty to put on a mod that I want to use temperature control.

You shouldn't use Nichrome if you have nickel sensitivities.

Cotton Bacon V2 or Prime is good for wicking. Also Japanese cotton (ko gen doh), just as good.

Have you built coils before? Do you have tools? If not, try eBay, Avid Artisan vape toolkit for $23.99 has everything you'll need except a tank wrench, which will cost maybe another $3-5.
 

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My favorite metal for coils is Nichrome 80 (N80). I use stainless steel when I'm building an atty to put on a mod that I want to use temperature control.

You shouldn't use Nichrome if you have nickel sensitivities.

Cotton Bacon V2 or Prime is good for wicking. Also Japanese cotton (ko gen doh), just as good.

Have you built coils before? Do you have tools? If not, try eBay, Avid Artisan vape toolkit for $23.99 has everything you'll need except a tank wrench, which will cost maybe another $3-5.
Thank you and NO this is ALL NEW TO ME.
yet I have read the rooms here
and watch a TON of youtube vids.

I just want to make sure I have the proper stuff to start.
 

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OKDOKY ordered the
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yet when you talk about a Tank wrench..
HU???
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Is that what you mean say the word an I click BUY NOW
 

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This is what I use.

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Paper towel or a rag prevents scratches or pits in the metal. Rubber is even better but who has a rubber sheet handy?
i have that
{{Checking wrench off the shopping list}}

yet this is STILL CONFUSING
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I did not see the Nichrome 80 (N80)

yet put in the shopping cart the Bacon Wick..

so
COLOR? I am very confused they are all silver, { so i assume it refers to gage }

5 to choose from soooooooooooooooooooooo
WHAT ONE??
 

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well, yes - heh.. All wire is silver. Where was that from? LV is having a sale 30% off, but I am thinking I'll just slow boat from china and FT.

And, I'd get or make a small "strap wrench" - I've got one of those goofy atty-wrenches and they don't fit ANYTHING.
 

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All those wires are Kanthal. Can you search for Lightning Vapes N80?

Usually if you buy two spools (or two anything) you'll get 15% off.
 

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All those wires are Kanthal. Can you search for Lightning Vapes N80?

Usually if you buy two spools (or two anything) you'll get 15% off.
give me a link like you did on that Kit
THAT WAS idiot proof
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said why I sit in the corner with a pointey hat
 

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You will find that ni80 is similar to Kanthal A1 - Kanthal climbs ohms as it heats. I find myself using ni80 more of late because I gave away all my kanthal, but it's useful in things like really small chambers or on mechs.

I use SS316L for .. everything.. It's that useful.
 

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Ok try eBay item numbers 301230622102 and 271560243965.

Those are Lightning Vapes Nichrome 80 24 and 26 gauge.
 

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LV sells wire on eBay too. Easier, imo, to buy where I can just use Paypal, so I usually get wire from them on eBay.

Alibaba I think still is wholesale. Aliexpress is retail though.
S'ok, I wasn't confused fatally, then.. Is she shopping ebay for this stuff

ok the 36k/ 28k single core???
Well, it depends on what you are doing. I'm not a "huge" fan of clapton - flaptons or "stapled" seem to deliver the most flavor in my RDA's.. I tend to use plain wire or simple claptons in tanks.

If you are starting from scratch, then you really need fewer feet and more types from which to choose and experiment.
 

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ok the 36k/ 28k single core???

cuz they even have a LONGER LIST if ya arrow down..


am feeling the weight of me pointey hat here

yet I GOTTA get this right or sparkey will NOT BE HAPPY

If you would, take a look at the two eBay item numbers I posted. Those two sizes will be good to start with for simple round-wire coils
 

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You can also make twisted and parallel coils with round wire, when you're ready for that.
 

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S'ok, I wasn't confused fatally, then.. Is she shopping ebay for this stuff


Well, it depends on what you are doing. I'm not a "huge" fan of clapton - flaptons or "stapled" seem to deliver the most flavor in my RDA's.. I tend to use plain wire or simple claptons in tanks.

If you are starting from scratch, then you really need fewer feet and more types from which to choose and experiment.

OK i am ordering MY FIRST rebuildible Tank.
The Dead Rabbit
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this will goo onto a Big Box Mini battery. 40 65 80
with a 510 connection

and I have NO IDEA what I am doing..
yet willing to learn
 

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You can also make twisted and parallel coils with round wire, when you're ready for that.

I have to reload the page I missed your post on numbers
thanks

so THIS
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right??
do not mean to be so trouble some.
I just REALLY don't wanna have

THIS
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happen again

if ya see what i mean.......
 

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BTW, the ebay sites are:
OK, dead-bunny rta.. Dual-coil, (which I think is too complex for "learning", but fine).. Top airflow is a huge win.
 

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I have to reload the page I missed your post on numbers
thanks

so THIS
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right??
do not mean to be so trouble some.
I just REALLY don't wanna have

THIS
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happen again

if ya see what i mean.......

Yes, that, and they (same seller) also have 26 ga Nichrome 80 round wire that you should get, too, if you can. Two sizes will give you a choice, although it I had to choose only one, I would go with 24 ga.
 

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BTW, the ebay sites are:
OK, dead-bunny rta.. Dual-coil, (which I think is too complex for "learning", but fine).. Top airflow is a huge win.

Agree, a single-coil RTA would have been easier to start with. Intake would be perfect.
 

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Intake would be perfect.
Or Serpent Elevate. yeah.. I understand keeping to the modern fat size.. Oh, another that would be available and work would be the Steam Crave Aromamizer Lite - single coil, straight and bubble glass. And, Vic's own Kelpie.
 

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Regulated mods simplify life, but: nothing thinner than 28awg, and really, I never use my 24awg - at that point I throw in a flapton. Parallel 28 or 26 works too. Much fun in the learning.
 

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Regulated mods simplify life, but: nothing thinner than 28awg, and really, I never use my 24awg - at that point I throw in a flapton. Parallel 28 or 26 works too. Much fun in the learning.

Agree again, parallel 26 ga N80 or SS is a good coil, although that would get a little hot for me in a dual-coil atty.

It never even occurred to me that the DR RTA was dual coil until you said something.
 

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banging her head in the wall.

so much info...

I HAVE NO Idea what any of this is...
Or Serpent Elevate. yeah.. I understand keeping to the modern fat size.. Oh, another that would be available and work would be the Steam Crave Aromamizer Lite - single coil, straight and bubble glass. And, Vic's own Kelpie.

I just wanna keep life simple as possible..

yet I LIKE DAT BUNNY can;t imageen why....................... lol lol lol

so cotten check tool kit Check
dat CRAZY bunny is in the basket
and wire left to go BUY now on

FLAVORS .. have them written down..

my poor mind is just swimming....
 

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banging her head in the wall.

so much info...

I HAVE NO Idea what any of this is...


I just wanna keep life simple as possible..

yet I LIKE DAT BUNNY can;t imageen why....................... lol lol lol

You'll just need to do a little reading between now and then. When you build a dual-coil atty, the two coils you use need to be the same (gauge, wraps, ohms as close as possible) and two coils produce HALF the resistance of a single coil. So, if you have two coils that read at 0.8 ohms, the overall resistance of your dual-coil atomizer will be roughly 0.4 ohms.

See if you can find a few videos about working with dual coils, and take a look at the coil calculator at http://www.steam-engine.org

There you can select your metal, your wire size, the diameter of your coil, and the calculator will tell you how many wraps to use.

Also - you will be running this on a regulated mod, correct?

I would stay above 0.25 ohms for the two coils for sure, just to be sure you don't have issues with overworking your batteries. Batteries need to be good ones, too, authentic Samsumg, Sony, LG, Molicel, or Vapcell, with a continuous discharge rate of at least 20 amps. If you have any doubt about your batteries, go to Google and key the name of your battery brand and model plus the word "Mooch." Mooch is a guy who does real-world testing on all different kinds of batteries. He has uncovered all kinds of fakes and rewraps that are not what they are supposed to be, and those batteries are dangerous.
 

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You'll just need to do a little reading between now and then. When you build a dual-coil atty, the two coils you use need to be the same (gauge, wraps, ohms as close as possible) and two coils produce HALF the resistance of a single coil. So, if you have two coils that read at 0.8 ohms, the overall resistance of your dual-coil atomizer will be roughly 0.4 ohms.

See if you can find a few videos about working with dual coils, and take a look at the coil calculator at http://www.steam-engine.org

There you can select your metal, your wire size, the diameter of your coil, and the calculator will tell you how many wraps to use.

Also - you will be running this on a regulated mod, correct?

I would stay above 0.25 ohms for the two coils for sure, just to be sure you don't have issues with overworking your batteries. Batteries need to be good ones, too, authentic Samsumg, Sony, LG, Molicel, or Vapcell, with a continuous discharge rate of at least 20 amps. If you have any doubt about your batteries, go to Google and key the name of your battery brand and model plus the word "Mooch." Mooch is a guy who does real-world testing on all different kinds of batteries. He has uncovered all kinds of fakes and rewraps that are not what they are supposed to be, and those batteries are dangerous.
I really, truly, strongly recommend @DaBunny NOT complete that order today. At all. Period.

Instead, I would recommend catching a few videos - and @Vaping With Vic is an excellent reference site - covering the SINGLE COIL RTA's I listed above - as well as your dead-bunny. I absolutely guarantee you will not enjoy your first experience to coiling and wicking by fighting a dual-coil. I shit-thee-not.

A single-coil can provide a ton and half of flavor, decent "clouds", and is easy to keep fed and maintained. Duals double your stress and expenses - at the least. Once you are so confortable with the single-coil RTA that you can whip out and install a new coil in a few moments... Once you decide you need MORE CLOUDS, BRO - that's when you add a dual to your collection.

I've been divesting myself of duals for the past year. Everything I enjoy is a single coil - rta's (nano's), rsa's (SXK Basic, Reload-S, and Rebirth clones).. I even - finally - bought 2 cheap tins of premade coils with wire I don't otherwise have at hand.. I can recoil and wick in about one minute.
 

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I really, truly, strongly recommend @DaBunny NOT complete that order today. At all. Period.

Instead, I would recommend catching a few videos - and @Vaping With Vic is an excellent reference site - covering the SINGLE COIL RTA's I listed above - as well as your dead-bunny. I absolutely guarantee you will not enjoy your first experience to coiling and wicking by fighting a dual-coil. I shit-thee-not.

A single-coil can provide a ton and half of flavor, decent "clouds", and is easy to keep fed and maintained. Duals double your stress and expenses - at the least. Once you are so confortable with the single-coil RTA that you can whip out and install a new coil in a few moments... Once you decide you need MORE CLOUDS, BRO - that's when you add a dual to your collection.

I've been divesting myself of duals for the past year. Everything I enjoy is a single coil - rta's (nano's), rsa's (SXK Basic, Reload-S, and Rebirth clones).. I even - finally - bought 2 cheap tins of premade coils with wire I don't otherwise have at hand.. I can recoil and wick in about one minute.
I BELIEVE!
I DO BELIEVE
I DO I DO I DO...

dead bunny also makes an RTA

so RDA = 2 coils and RTA = 1 Coil
yet BOTH can have the air from the top and BURN on the bottem .. correct?
and if I understand you folks its easer to install One coil properly then 2.
{ that makes sence }

So maybe I should start with PRE MADE COILS.

and keep them as a prototype for latter use.

and i bet RDA wire is differnt from RTA wire cuz as Nadalama said
2 coils use 1/2 the ohms per side.
 

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I BELIEVE!
I DO BELIEVE
I DO I DO I DO...

dead bunny also makes an RTA

so RDA = 2 coils and RTA = 1 Coil
yet BOTH can have the air from the top and BURN on the bottem .. correct?
and if I understand you folks its easer to install One coil properly then 2.
{ that makes sence }

So maybe I should start with PRE MADE COILS.

and keep them as a prototype for latter use.

and i bet RDA wire is differnt from RTA wire cuz as Nadalama said
2 coils use 1/2 the ohms per side.

Actually the Dead Rabbit RTA can be built with either one or two coils. You just have to put the two legs of the coil in the right holes in the deck.

Wire we suggested can be used on both RTAs and RDAs.
 

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so RDA = 2 coils and RTA = 1 Coil
NO. There are single and dual coil tanks (RTA, RDTA); and atomizers/drippers (RDA, RSA).
  • RTA= R)ebuildable T)ank A)tomizer
  • RDTA= R)ebuildable D)ripping T)ank A)tomizer
  • RDA= R)ebuildable D)ripping A)tomizer
  • RSA= R)ebuildable S)quonking A)tomizer

yet BOTH can have the air from the top and BURN on the bottem .. correct?
Yes, Top-Air can be found in Tank designs and (far more rare) RDA's. Makes them very difficult to flood, so they don't pee all over the tank, mod, hands, table, sofa, clothes, etc. Bottom-air is more common to tanks, and side-air is fairly universal to RDA/RSA designs.

They don't "burn", but they vaporize/steam. The RDTA class is predicated on the old Genesis (Genny's) design where the tank is UNDER the deck and you wick up FROM that tank to the deck which is closest to the driptip.


and if I understand you folks its easer to install One coil properly then 2.
Absolutely. It's easier today than it used to be, though: we used to fight pushing coils either thru 2 common holes from opposite sides - or sharing the pos-post (and fighting) in three-post designs. It was godawful.

and i bet RDA wire is differnt from RTA wire cuz as Nadalama said
No. Not. Wire is wire - there are different alloys and gauges (weights/diameters). And then there are "complex wires", (anything from twisted to whateverthehell is the latest crazy clapton thingie ;-).

  1. You want to absolutely, completely avoid: Titanium and Ni200 (Nickel). Those absolutely require TC screw-around and are otherwise deadly/volatile.
  2. You can use Ni80 or Kanthal A1 as "high" resistance wire - VV or VW or Bypass or Mechanicals.
  3. You can also use SS316L as in #2, but it's a lower resistance.
Some folks taste "copper" or "iron" in #2 - in the dark ages, the chinee "nichrome" I was buying tasted like copper in my mouth - so I went to Kanthal for years. Once I found SS316L, I pretty much gave all my Kanthal away - I can wind a coil to compare directly to Kanthal in anything I own. I only started adding Ni80 in the last 2 years because apparently they have cleaned up the purity issues - and I don't taste copper anymore. Still, SS316L just taste like.. well, whatever juice you use - or nasty when you burn a dry wick ;-)

So maybe I should start with PRE MADE COILS.
Yes. You can absolutely buy a small container of premade coils - or even an assortment. This is a good way to try something weird w/o investing in a roll of it. FT and other places will sell such things - even B&M's sometimes carry them ($$$$).

2 coils use 1/2 the ohms per side.
If you have 1 coil of 1Ω and replicate it, in a dual-coil atty this will be read as 0.5Ω TOTAL. The fun part is trying to get both to be the same resistance and glow properly. Some days it's hair-pulling.
 

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You'll just need to do a little reading between now and then. When you build a dual-coil atty, the two coils you use need to be the same (gauge, wraps, ohms as close as possible) and two coils produce HALF the resistance of a single coil. So, if you have two coils that read at 0.8 ohms, the overall resistance of your dual-coil atomizer will be roughly 0.4 ohms.

See if you can find a few videos about working with dual coils, and take a look at the coil calculator at http://www.steam-engine.org

There you can select your metal, your wire size, the diameter of your coil, and the calculator will tell you how many wraps to use.

Also - you will be running this on a regulated mod, correct?

I would stay above 0.25 ohms for the two coils for sure, just to be sure you don't have issues with overworking your batteries. Batteries need to be good ones, too, authentic Samsumg, Sony, LG, Molicel, or Vapcell, with a continuous discharge rate of at least 20 amps. If you have any doubt about your batteries, go to Google and key the name of your battery brand and model plus the word "Mooch." Mooch is a guy who does real-world testing on all different kinds of batteries. He has uncovered all kinds of fakes and rewraps that are not what they are supposed to be, and those batteries are dangerous.
I just watched this..

take a look at the coil calculator at http://www.steam-engine.org

THANK YOU wonderful info and tool for future use.
 

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whats the trick to removing the deck from a pulse 2 RDA...

it should unclip but it won't budge
 

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I don't have one so can't help with this, but I'm looking at pics. Why do you need to remove the deck?
 

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Ok from what I can see, all you need to remove is the cap and the airflow attachments (the amber plastic pieces).

Screw the RDA onto a regulated mod with the power off. Remove the cap by rocking it a little from side to side while pulling up.

Are those amber plastic pieces giving you trouble?
 

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This part is the deck. I thought you were asking about removing the deck from the base.

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YES ...
and there is the prob;em I can not remove the deck from the upper sleave
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see the locking Tabs they do not budge
 

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I can't find a picture that even looks like that. Don't know what to tell you. I'd stil try putting it on a mod and removing that bottom ring part from the base. I would think it would bring those tabs up with it.
 

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I can't find a picture that even looks like that. Don't know what to tell you. I'd stil try putting it on a thank you that worked
mod and removing that bottom ring part from the base. I would think it would bring those tabs up with it.
thank you THAT worked...
 

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Ok, see the pieces that you are calling "tabs" are actually part of the outer cap. When the base and deck are attached to a mod (so that you have some leverage), take hold of that cap by the part that is colored black on that picture. Wiggle it back and forth just a little bit as you pull up on it.
 

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thank you THAT worked...

Ok now, before you put it back on, take some eliquid on your finger and lubricate those o-rings. That will make it easier to get off next time.
 

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well I will be DANGED..
I did it I did it...

no it did not take THIS LONG...
I got a phone call to go help the neighbor man.. so I had to scoot .
yet as soon a I returned the whole thing MADE ITSELF...

Double coil.
Clipped the excess off
found using a needlepoint needle and thread worked like a MILLION BUCKS to fish the cotten wick threw.
trimmed the edges and used DA NEW
coil-kit-jpg.140676

worked like A Million Bucks
THANKS AGAIN NADLAMA!
yep trigger started added the juice and ITS WORKING..
doing da happy feets dancing

Thanks for all Da FAST accurate help here at UV
 

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well I will be DANGED..
I did it I did it...

no it did not take THIS LONG...
I got a phone call to go help the neighbor man.. so I had to scoot .
yet as soon a I returned the whole thing MADE ITSELF...

Double coil.
Clipped the excess off
found using a needlepoint needle and thread worked like a MILLION BUCKS to fish the cotten wick threw.
trimmed the edges and used DA NEW
coil-kit-jpg.140676

worked like A Million Bucks
THANKS AGAIN NADLAMA!
yep trigger started added the juice and ITS WORKING..
doing da happy feets dancing

Thanks for all Da FAST accurate help here at UV

That's fabulous! You did it! So how's the vape? Getting good flavor?
 

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