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Which US Presidential candidate will you be voting for?

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Reading over the quoted parts of what I perceive as Mueller's report, it sure appears the POTUS was busy attempting to hide a lot of evidence. Most of it came out regardless. I think Mueller made it clear. If he could said the POTUS was innocent he would have said that directly, clearly. What he said though was that there seemed to be evidence of hiding evidence pertaining the investigation of Russia's interference in our election. The hiding of evidence once a case is being investigated is usually called obstruction.



The above highlights why the investigation began. Our intelligence agencies discovered the efforts and in protecting our nation passed it on to be looked into. They did their tasked job. Mueller did his up to the point that he could, until hindered by DOJ policy to not indite a setting President. Mueller left it there for Congress to do their job.

What I am saying now is I don't have further disillusions. I know nothing further will be done. I know beyond doubt now, the whole of our government is rotten from the core outward. Why bother spilling blood for it if those we put in office do not do their jobs? Why too then does it matter anything you say, when you're clearly all in favor of such evil that destroys two hundred plus years of a grand ideal?

Maybe it also doesn't matter what I say either. I'm becoming rather numbed so a lot doesn't matter to me at the moment. Thanks for your part in that, greatly appreciated.

Think I'm going to go ... go Pop, see if that helps but i doubt it. I think a lot of folks might also want to do that. If you don't recall it, "going Pop" means you you pull your head out of your ass, the Pop is the sound that reverberates through the compartment you happen to be in.
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What all that leaves out is that is not when the investigation began, it began years earlier, using an illegal CIA surveillance system on US Soil parallel to the NSA system known as the HAMR that General Montgomery revealed the existence of as a whistleblower (I believe actually in 2013 or 2014 through official channels), but is on public record as doing so in March 2015.

It also leaves out that all the evidence of Russian's interference in our elections cited in the Mueller Report were orchestrated by 5I's intelligence assets from CIA, FBI, Britain, Ukraine, Australia, Spain, Italy, etc, or just plain fabricated. The Mueller report is as salacious & false as the Steele Dossier & Hillary's fingerprints are all over it all.

Attempting to defend yourself from false, orchestrated, & fabricated allegations foisted on you in an Intelligence Community conspiracy of mind boggling proportions is not obstruction of justice, especially when you did not provably act on those ideas.

The entire Russian Collusion operation was a provably illegal operation from beginning to end that amounts to multiple instances of knowingly & actually committing treason, seditious conspiracy & sedition by officials in the Intelligence community who considered themselves above the law on behalf of the UK & EU (which will probably never be disclosed).
 
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That is not what obstruction is and you patently know that.



I'm quite aware of how we are free to say nearly anything. That is not what occurred though. What occurred was another nation interfered with our government's processes during an election. This is fact, proven and verified six ways to Sunday.

Now, the POTUS who is there as a result of that election says openly he would accept help from any other nation to be elected again. Sure he can say it all he wants. If he gets elected again and there's proof another nation gave him anything, then I do believe he needs to meet the short end of a noose. It's treason and in fact it might be sedition in that we are at war and his talk could be seen as giving aid to an enemy.

To be clear:

Treason: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

Seditious conspiracy: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

Sedition: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sedition

It would seem our right of voting for those that represent us is a right lawfully and legally protected by our government. Does it not seem a clear and present danger to you to let a fellow say he'll welcome the aid of another nation to get elected? Does it not seem to give aid to an enemy, or any host of enemies?
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Ya know Morely, I could tell ya that if Trump is so guilty then why did so many laws have to be broken to prove he was guilty of anything? And they have yet to prove anything. Only accuse. Why was a special prosecutor needed over a dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and the Democrat party for the tune of 7 million. I could tell you that Mueller saying Trump obstructed by firing Comey is rubbish simply because he has Jeff Sessions and Rod Rosenstein public demanding Comey be fired. Rod Rosenstein even sent an official letter to the white house on the reasons why Comey was not fit to lead the FBI yet Trump firing him must of been obstruction.
I could fill ya in on many things Morely like Trump not wanting Flynn prosecuted but guess what, turns out Flynn was not lying and the FBI knew it yet convicted him for it anyways. Yet so what another person was destroyed trying to get Trump. We could also discuss the russian attempts was never verified, that the leak of the DNC was an internal leak but me thinks your blinders are on and you care less. The koolaid been drank and its nap time.

BTW, when the might of the federal government has been invoked to over turn a duly held election, would that be treason, sedition or a seditious conspiracy. When the Federal government demands a citizen to violate a federal law for political purposes, what kind of crime would you claim that to be? When an enforcement arm of the Federal Government breaks laws in an attempt to unseat a sitting president, how would you classify that crime? Pretty sure before long we will see how AG Barr classifys them for all those crime have and still are happening.

And while we are here Morely, since you brought up votes, what is your take that 15 Democrat controlled states have taken away every single citizens right in that state vote for president to be counted and instead pledged the states electoral votes to the most popular presidential candidate in an attempt to capitalize on the illegal vote. Do you believe that is fair to the citizens?
 
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Laura Ingraham: Electing a Dem in 2020 would be 'the ultimate act of self-destruction for America'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/in...eQhC7e9Jh2mZ4KQ1N9ra3_lO3Lfr5fvHHttcLeUB7zF1s

If a Democrat gets elected it will take no time to go back to high taxes and violent protest for higher min wage jobs for all the other jobs will leave again as well as all industry. America will go back to being the shit hole Obama and the Democrat had it in at the end of 2016.
 
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not collusion...BAIT

Sean Hannity on Trump’s ABC Interview “It Was the Greatest Set-Up Donald Trump Ever Made” (VIDEO)

It never occurred to to arrogant perpetrators of the Russia collusion hoax planting operatives & evidence and conspiring to set up & remove a duly elected president that their crimes allowed legitimate & legal FISA warrants to be taken out on them allowing the NSA using to legally monitor their communications in real time as they coordinated their efforts on the super secure CIA phones obtained from Huawei (like the Las Vegas shooter was carrying) or that the NSA would exploit the same backdoor exploits Huawei (& the CIA) embedded in them for the Chinese to monitor them, using the same ever expanding FISA warrant monitoring scheme they employed to monitor Trump & his entire campaign (except legally this time). By now half of DC & most of the DNC is probably legally under all invasive electronic investigation for the last two years (which may reveal a multitude of very, very interesting things).

Trump's or AG Barr's impeachment hearing could turn out very interesting indeed when all is revealed if the Dems are stupid enough to formally initiate it...It will not end well for them.
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I grok "tit for tat" just fine - and then a whole lot of this shit needs to be terminated, rolled-back, ended, investigated, etc. It's wrong; it's wrong once - it's wrong twice - it's wrong.

Spy on fornats, feel free. I believe that's why we pay yer dumbasses.
 
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Critical Thought: In what way do the actions of Iran today relate to Assange extradition paperwork being finalized? - Have you figured out why they would strike now in a failed attempt to incite war?

Iran & The Holy See - Study. It matters.

Iran's Secret Weapon: The Pope
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687445,00.html

The bond between the Vatican and Iran is a partnership destined to endure
https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/01/...and-iran-is-a-partnership-destined-to-endure/

Why Iran is really cosying up to the Vatican
https://catholicherald.co.uk/issues/january-29th-2016/why-iran-is-really-cosying-up-to-the-vatican/

Vatican Clown Swiss guards-C_A to Pope/Payseur Royals/Rothschild/Royal Bank of London/US Railroad Co's/Fed & world Bankers-Swiss NOT neutral Bank/MSM=DC/DS C-A clowns/Congress-not all=paid Lords in Feifdom to Crown of London. Trump ends it all. Anons know. DS FREAK OUT.

I consider this relevant. This is the most chilling part of the narrative that is playing out.

Just how far might monied zealots go to make prophesy reality?
 
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We could also discuss the russian attempts was never verified, that the leak of the DNC was an internal leak but me thinks your blinders are on and you care less. The koolaid been drank and its nap time.
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I doubt it. I'd rather not be on any side because none are on my side. I keep seeing so much said in one manner though and figure where there's smoke you need fire.

For example if someone has not done something wrong, why then are so many out to prove they did? How can so many think they did without there being something to it? I don't think all these folks would risk all their respective reputations, their careers, families and so on just to join the bandwagon without proof.

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15 Democrat controlled states have taken away every single citizens right in that state vote for president to be counted
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I'd like to see proof of that.
 
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Why is Sarah Sanders being fired?
She had become a much better liar trying to cover for Trump.
 
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Watching Hannity tonight and he brings up a good point. The left has their pantsy in a wad over Trumps hypothetical question when Adam Schiff was already caught red handed and no one on the left said a word.

 
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I doubt it. I'd rather not be on any side because none are on my side. I keep seeing so much said in one manner though and figure where there's smoke you need fire.

For example if someone has not done something wrong, why then are so many out to prove they did? How can so many think they did without there being something to it? I don't think all these folks would risk all their respective reputations, their careers, families and so on just to join the bandwagon without proof.



I'd like to see proof of that.
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Morely, why do you think Seth Rich was killed. He was the leak.

And for the states, its all over the news buddy. This week I believe Nevada became the 15th state where all their electoral votes goes to the national election popular candidate regardless how the states citizens voted for president. Its capitalizing on the illegal vote and the Democrat controlled states are the ones doing it. In Republican controlled states people votes still count.


One on Nevada electoral vote going to the popular candidate in the national election.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ollege-votes-to-national-popular-vote-winner/
 
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Morely, why do you think Seth Rich was killed. He was the leak.

And for the states, its all over the news buddy. This week I believe Nevada became the 15th state where all their electoral votes goes to the national election popular candidate regardless how the states citizens voted for president. Its capitalizing on the illegal vote and the Democrat controlled states are the ones doing it. In Republican controlled states people votes still count.


One on Nevada electoral vote going to the popular candidate in the national election.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ollege-votes-to-national-popular-vote-winner/
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I been corrected. It was Oregon that went this week.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/201...-grows-closer-to-270-vote-mark/6361560294210/
 
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The purpose of the electoral college is to prevent majority rule which would mean only the cities had any say in government. Isnt the Democrat party doing this unconstitutional because it is in fact undermining the constitution?
 
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The purpose of the electoral college is to prevent majority rule which would mean only the cities had any say in government. Isnt the Democrat party doing this unconstitutional because it is in fact undermining the constitution?
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Their efforts will likely ensure the Electoral votes from these Democrat Bastion States wind up going to Trump in 2020. See how fast they dismantle their corrupt system to subvert our Republic once that happens.
 
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Their efforts will likely ensure the Electoral votes from these Democrat Bastion States wind up going to Trump in 2020. See how fast they dismantle their corrupt system to subvert our Republic once that happens.
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Dude, you know they have zero intention of allowing a fair vote at all. You know it - this last set of elections proved they can dick the counts with complete impunity.
 
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Dude, you know they have zero intention of allowing a fair vote at all. You know it - this last set of elections proved they can dick the counts with complete impunity.
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Impunity so far. Gotta keep in mind Trumps hands was tied for over two years. Lets see what Barr comes up with.
 
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Dude, you know they have zero intention of allowing a fair vote at all. You know it - this last set of elections proved they can dick the counts with complete impunity.
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I know that the Democrats/Rinos/CIA/Tech/UK/EU have every intention of using wholesale voter fraud of every type including illegals voting, election hacking, rigged machines, double counting, fraudulent provisional ballots, lost ballots, deceased ballots, voter canvassing, man in the middle, etc., to steal the 2020 Election. All these fraud schemes were in play in 2016, 2017, 2018 & massive fraud was obvious in all these elections. Each of these elections had election fraud investigations running by Homeland Security the previously corrupt leadership of which have slow rolled & hidden from the public & kept justice from being served to the guilty. The 2018 election had deployed election fraud investigator teams in 36 states during the election. I think just after the FISA Disclosure as the Democrats are reeling, Barr will announce he has learned that corrupt officials sought to bury the results and he is moving forward with prosecutions in those investigations, and instituting safeguards for 2020. This will come out mid-late summer allowing the court challenges to be heard in The Next SCOTUS Session which begins in Mid-Sept & runs through December. Hopefully we will have an RBG resolution prior to that. Whether or not prosecutions take place, the evidence of the voter fraud from those investigations combined with evidence of Obama's Man in the Middle scheme with Eric Smidt in 2016 of his failed attempt to rig the 2016 election against Trump will force the election changes over Democrat objections.

Trump's goal is an E-verify driven Voter ID Card in use in all states by 2020. Whether that will happen, remains to be seen. If it doesn't Trump will probably lose.
 
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I know that the Democrats/Rinos/CIA/Tech/UK/EU have every intention of using wholesale voter fraud of every type including illegals voting, election hacking, rigged machines, double counting, fraudulent provisional ballots, lost ballots, deceased ballots, voter canvassing, man in the middle, etc., to steal the 2020 Election. All these fraud schemes were in play in 2016, 2017, 2018 & massive fraud was obvious in all these elections. Each of these elections had election fraud investigations running by Homeland Security the previously corrupt leadership of which have slow rolled & hidden from the public & kept justice from being served to the guilty. The 2018 election had deployed election fraud investigator teams in 36 states during the election. I think just after the FISA Disclosure as the Democrats are reeling, Barr will announce he has learned that corrupt officials sought to bury the results and he is moving forward with prosecutions in those investigations, and instituting safeguards for 2020. This will come out mid-late summer allowing the court challenges to be heard in The Next SCOTUS Session which begins in Mid-Sept & runs through December. Hopefully we will have an RBG resolution prior to that. Whether or not prosecutions take place, the evidence of the voter fraud from those investigations combined with evidence of Obama's Man in the Middle scheme with Eric Smidt in 2016 of his failed attempt to rig the 2016 election against Trump will force the election changes over Democrat objections.

Trump's goal is an E-verify driven Voter ID Card in use in all states by 2020. Whether that will happen, remains to be seen. If it doesn't Trump will probably lose.
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There is not enough time for that to be implemented nationwide.
 
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