Pushing the limits

Alright guys and gals. I’ve been noticing lately on forums and also online Vlogers/reviewers that people have been practicing questionable battery safety. Now I’m new to all this but it doesn’t take a mathematician to see something here is wonky. Maybe I’m wrong and I would love for some people to chime in and educate me. I’ll give an example.. I was watching a well known reviewer get into the nitty gritty about “X” Rda. Throwing it on a sick little 21700 single tube mod “Y” coils ringing out at .09-.1 ********* Pause*********

There’s where things to me get wonky.

I’ve read a lot of reviews from Mooch on his recommended battery’s and even the bench tests on them. So even the Molicel P42A supposedly rated at 45A was bench tested around 30/40. IMO even the best 21700 battery’s I wouldn’t think should be pushed passed 35A

So even at a partial charge putting out 3.9V a .09 build is going to be 43A

This is using steam-engine ohms law calculator.

Practicing good battery safety in a mech mod is to not push your cell past the max continuous rated Amperage.?? Am I right??

Why do I see people pushing single battery tubes way past limits and not going into thermal runaway.

Just something I’ve been thinking about and mulling over.. boring Saturday here in Utah and thought ide get some people’s wheels turning.

Any info and insight would be great!!

Most battery’s only label the CDR and not a “Pulse” rating I don’t think for safety reasons anyone should push it past the CDR. But maybe some of you more experienced Mech/Battery users can explain what’s up. And if I’m totally wrong and should go do some more research haha

Ryan_AlanUSN10 said:

I’ve been noticing lately on forums and also online Vlogers/reviewers that people have been practicing questionable

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Just because they post videos doesn't mean they know what they are doing. What you mention here is why I stopped watching anything by probably 95% of the shitheads who call themselves reviewers. But remember this is just my opinion.

SteveS45 said:

Just because they post videos doesn't mean they know what they are doing. What you mention here is why I stopped watching anything by probably 95% of the shitheads who call themselves reviewers. But remember this is just my opinion.

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Here we have a suuuuper sweet dripper reading a .05 just gunna throw it on top of this 15A 18650 really nice vapor production hahah but no I hear you man. It’s just something I’ve seen more than a few times. Kinda seems Wonky. Now granted pushing a battery a few amps over in smart “pulses” carefully monitoring temperature i’m sure isn’t going to blow you up. But seriously. Why, why even try. Fucking toss it on a regulated and crank it up to 220W torch your throat if that’s what you want


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Do not toss a .05 build on a 15A 18650

That was a poor joke

Ryan_AlanUSN10 said:

Do not toss a .05 build on a 15A 18650
That was a poor joke

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That is what pisses me off royally~! I have actually seen a reviewer say what they are doing is stupid but they do it for people to watch and say well they did so why can't I? I would love to see a reviewer get sued because someone did what they did on camera and got hurt. These shitheads are supposed to be advocates and teaching people, but many are just in it for the money. The ones who say they don't get paid sure sell a shit load of hardly used stuff every month.

SteveS45 said:

That is what pisses me off royally~! I have actually seen a reviewer say what they are doing is stupid but they do it for people to watch and say well they did so why can't I? I would love to see a reviewer get sued because someone did what they did on camera and got hurt. These shitheads are supposed to be advocates and teaching people, but many are just in it for the money. The ones who say they don't get paid sure sell a shit load of hardly used stuff every month.

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They also get a bunch of free merchandise. It seems anyways either that or they have a lot of extra money to spend. Only 2 out there I enjoy watching and kinda trust their opinion. But then I see one (won’t name any names) playing risky with a set up. Meh. Idk man. I play it safe. I listen to people’s opinions, but research backed data is hard evidence. Again. I’m sure people often run low ohm risky builds on their mods and don’t have issues but in my opinion it’s not worth the risk. Or the battery drain for that matter. Talk about carrying around a pocket full of battery’s just to vape. Again. Just my opinion

SteveS45 said:

That is what pisses me off royally~! I have actually seen a reviewer say what they are doing is stupid but they do it for people to watch and say well they did so why can't I? I would love to see a reviewer get sued because someone did what they did on camera and got hurt. These shitheads are supposed to be advocates and teaching people, but many are just in it for the money. The ones who say they don't get paid sure sell a shit load of hardly used stuff every month.

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People are morans. I literaly got in a yelling match with a local shop owner(i have shopped for many years) sold a vaper batteries withoit asking any questions as to how they vape. I asked them and was told 120w @ .12 ohms. And he sold him a rewraped shit bat that stated it was 15a. Shop asshole was mad cus its a sale and he only cares about $. WELL EXCUSE ME FOR WATCHING OUT FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS SAFETY. the customer demanded his money back and left. I then followed and we talked about ohms law and bat safety. And directed him to a propper place to purchase.
Peoples stupidity and greed piss me off.

Turns out they are the only bats this shop sells in 18650 and he tells every1 "they are the best". And charges 9$ a bat. Ffs

Wb80 said:

Peoples stupidity and greed piss me off.

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What grinds my gears is the ones who continuously say they don't get paid and sell all the shit sent them for FREE to do the reviews . Some of the cool, knowledgeable ones actually have Giveaways. That is why I say they are cool.

Wb80 said:

People are morans. I literaly got in a yelling match with a local shop owner(i have shopped for many years) sold a vaper batteries withoit asking any questions as to how they vape. I asked them and was told 120w @ .12 ohms. And he sold him a rewraped shit bat that stated it was 15a. Shop asshole was mad cus its a sale and he only cares about $. WELL EXCUSE ME FOR WATCHING OUT FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS SAFETY. the customer demanded his money back and left. I then followed and we talked about ohms law and bat safety. And directed him to a propper place to purchase.
Peoples stupidity and greed piss me off.

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Jesus man! That’s crazy. Good on you for helping out a fellow vaper like that.. Lots of shops don’t actually know what they are selling. They just make shit house juice because it’s the most profitable and for the most part people with pod systems buy it and don’t give a shit. But real vape shops that know what’s up typically carry what you need and are willing to help you out. NOT ALL! But some!! And they should atleast ask you what your using it for.

This shop was selling sample 5 packs of kandy king juice that were free to them to hand out from the company. I only still shop there for cbd and my wifes tobacco because i get good pricing below what the price tags say.

Some people just don't build safe but will be the first to tell you you're not being safe. If you understand all that just build to keep yourself safe and let them worry about them. That's the way I see it. I've got too many kids to worry about super clouds and being a pipe bomb

Wb80 said:

This shop was selling sample 5 packs of kandy king juice that were free to them to hand out from the company. I only still shop there for cbd and my wifes tobacco because i get good pricing below what the price tags say.

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I found a shop here in Utah that actually sent me to another shop for batteries because they knew they didn’t have what I needed. Like respect man. I bought a 120ml of juice I didn’t need just out of respect

Ryan_AlanUSN10 said:

Do not toss a .05 build on a 15A 18650

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I don't think anyone in their right mind would toss a 0.05 ohm build on ANYTHING.
80 amps is way too much even for 1/2 second puffs.

You get get the button stuck on or a dead short and:

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/this-teens-vape-exploded-shattering-his-jaw.487404/


My general rule:

Single 18650 = 0.15ohms or higher
Dual 18650 = 0.12ohms or higher

Wb80 said:

People are morans. I literaly got in a yelling match with a local shop owner(i have shopped for many years) sold a vaper batteries withoit asking any questions as to how they vape. I asked them and was told 120w @ .12 ohms. And he sold him a rewraped shit bat that stated it was 15a. Shop asshole was mad cus its a sale and he only cares about $. WELL EXCUSE ME FOR WATCHING OUT FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS SAFETY. the customer demanded his money back and left. I then followed and we talked about ohms law and bat safety. And directed him to a propper place to purchase.
Peoples stupidity and greed piss me off.

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You should have told the owner he should be kissing your ass because you just stopped him from going bankrupt.
One moron walks out of a vape shop and puts the 8amp "35amp" efest that he just sold them in a hybrid mech with a 0.04ohm build and BAM!
Just like that your local shop owner is sued out of business and home.

5150sick said:

I don't think anyone in their right mind would toss a 0.05 ohm build on ANYTHING.
80 amps is way too much even for 1/2 second puffs.

You get get the button stuck on or a dead short and:

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/this-teens-vape-exploded-shattering-his-jaw.487404/

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It was a sardonic joke

5150sick said:

put the 8amp "35amp" efest that he just sold them in a hybrid mech with a 0.04ohm build and BAM! .

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That was the sardonic example I was making with the .5 on an 15A 18650 reference

5150sick said:

You should have told the owner he should be kissing your ass because you just stopped him from going bankrupt.
One moron walks out of a vape shop and puts the 8amp "35amp" efest that he just sold them in a hybrid mech with a 0.04ohm build and BAM!
Just like that your local shop owner is sued out of business and home.

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I have tried to educate. I mean it is basic math and carry different amp battts. Hell he could charge a premium as most customers that shop there never shop arround or search online. Or just stick to selling juul bs. It blows my mind how clueless he is

First off, if you draw 40A from the P42A after it's been fully charged to 4.2V, then, due to the battery sag that the P42A has, the volts shoot down instantly from 4.2V all the way to only about 3.55V.



Secondly, while it is true the fact Mooch rated the P42A a Continuous Discharge Rating of only 30A, he also gave it a temperature-limited rating of 40A as long as you stop before the cell reaches 75°C. So, because mechs are advanced vaping devices intended to be used by advanced users ONLY, a case can be made that we don't press and hold the fire button until the cell reaches 75°C. Rather, if vaping on a .09 ohms build, we press and we release the button like maybe after only 2 seconds or even quicker, and, next, because we aren't the stupidest people alive (well most of us aren't... else there would be definately many more accidents happening with a mech than we see happening in the sensation press...) we wait for a significant period in order to give the battery time to let itself cool back down, both internally and externally that is, so that the hot spots that occur on the inside of the battery that are hotter than the battery surface cannot easily reach even remotely close to 75°C either. (Even, in the possible event that the button gets stuck, as we, being the advanced vapers that we are, can safely rely on our own advanced capability to, WITH CERTAINTY, always safely disarm our mech instantly before the temperature will be able to reach that high.) Finally, because we're STILL advanced vapers, accidental long button presses are not us. So basically, the reason why AT THE HANDS OF AN ADVANCED VAPER a .09 on a single battery mech with the P42A can be considered within REASONABLE safety limits is simply because an advanced vaper, contrary to popular belief and by pure definition alone, always knows extremely well what he/she is doing at all times. However, people can make mistakes so I can't make these kinds of recommendations to anyone who wants to try the same. Instead, I just trust myself to not making any mistakes whilst I'm using one of my mechs... currently I own only 76 of 'em so obviously of course I have yet a lot to learn about using one safely.