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Theboss

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Ok, so I need to clarify a few things. I replied to a hardware thread today where an item I had given to someone was being sold. I probably shouldn't have replied in public, so for that I do apologize to that person, but to put things into perspective this is the fourth item that's been up in the hardware thread that I've given away.

I get it, I shouldn't care, it belongs to that person now and they can do what they want with it. It's just not what I would do, I guess that's what bothers me. If I found out that it was piff'd again I'd be perfectly happy.

Before this example, I gifted and paid for shipping on a $100 mod because the person was kind of down and out at the time, then in July I see it up for sale. I would pay for shipping to get these items back if people aren't using them.....like I said earlier today, it's just disappointing.

I never called anyone any names or said they were a bad person, today was just an accumulative result that's been building for some time whenever I see these items up for sale.

Anyway, I don't want or expect anything from the people who have profited from my kindness, I will however leave the forum and in the future will piff to people I've met in person.

Take care
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Hate to see you go... I hope you reconsider leaving the forum. Think of all the newer vapors that can gain from your knowledge. In that same vein I do understand not wanting to pif to other forum members. Many of us do it on the side, with gear we already own or like you suggested , stick with piffing to humans we know in the real world, rather than interweb avatars.
That said, your frustration is understandable, I just hope you decide to stick around for the social and educational aspect as knowledge is priceless.
 

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If someone PIF's something I feel you either give it to someone who needs it or keep it yourself. Never sell a GIFT. IMO anyone who does this is a lowlife.
 

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Ok, so I need to clarify a few things. I replied to a hardware thread today where an item I had given to someone was being sold. I probably shouldn't have replied in public, so for that I do apologize to @bx10r , but to put things into perspective this is the fourth item that's been up in the hardware thread that I've given away.

I get it, I shouldn't care, it belongs to that person now and they can do what they want with it. It's just not what I would do, I guess that's what bothers me. If I found out that it was piff'd again I'd be perfectly happy.

Before this example, I gifted and paid for shipping on a $100 mod because the person was kind of down and out at the time, then in July I see it up for sale. I would pay for shipping to get these items back if people aren't using them.....like I said earlier today, it's just disappointing.

I never called anyone any names or said they were a bad person, today was just an accumulative result that's been building for some time whenever I see these items up for sale.

Anyway, I don't want or expect anything from the people who have profited from my kindness, I will however leave the forum and in the future will piff to people I've met in person.

Take care
@Heartsdelight
@MrMeowgi
@gadget!

Allan
You are certainly justified in your feelings. I would feel the same way. You PIF out of friendship or to help someone in need. And when they turn around and sell it in an open forum you can't help but feel betrayed.
I would encourage you though to please remember this is just a few folks out of 1000's here on the forum. There are 1000's of other folks here that respect you, and as @f1r3b1rd stated, the newer vapors who benefit from your experience. Don't let this one bad experience chase you away from somewhere you clearly enjoy being. :)
 

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i am with pami on this but i would like to add a (personal note note as a staff member) i don't think calling him out was wrong at all. it helps us all understand both sides at the same time your feelings and the fact that he actions may not be inline with others who would PIF to those like him. yes there few and far between and i hope not to many in this house.
 

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Yea, I never even pif stuff that's given to me.
Even if I don't use it I keep it.
I treat it like any other gift.
I'm not a regifter.

But there's no need to leave over it.
Just smash the ignore button and keep on going.:)
 

Rhianne

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PIF'ing something you got would be OK, you know one good deed deserves another~! Never profit off a Gift or a Contest Win.

He meant selling a pif. It would hurt my feelings too if someone did that. I hope he doesn’t leave forever over it. Not now, with bans and Deeming etc.


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~Don~

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Not a fan of seeing PIF items resold, but I am also the type that doesn't have an attachment to insipid items or people, just not worth the effort nor time.

I've given my fair share of items away to random people within VU and some known, I always mention to the person I give an item to that I would like for them to PIF once they outgrow it, but as I said, I don't have an attachment to the item... so I sort of don't give two shits what happens.

Or given away the plethora of items from the challenges I won... I know other people would of enjoyed them, so didn't care, plus them being happy was more than fulfilling truly.

Example: I gave Brewbear a pair of knives... nothing super expensive (to me) one Spyderco Stretch 2 and some Kershaw... think the total value may of been $150... He was starting to get into knives and I didn't even give those pocket time anymore... one was purely just to break in new Diamond Sharpening stones... the other actually a decent knife... but still something I wouldn't carry (I carry Chris Reeve Knives) ... So I mailed them to him... care less if he sells them... I just know he won't... but again, care less if he does... not attached to them.

Just the same as when he sent me out of no where a cap for my NarDa... even though I don't vape my NarDa, that cap stays with the Da... won't sell it.


I know its a fine line of profiting from the benefaction and I give less to random people; except the homeless, being homeless once, I'll give the contents of my wallet to a homeless individual and have many times...

TL;DR If the item I don't care for anymore is PIF'd, I give two shits what happens... although it is of good tact to not resell said item ;)
 

Dbreezy187

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As someone whom wouldn't be here had it not been due to kind hearted individuals such as yourself this kind of upsets me as well. I am indebted to this fourm. Not only my health has it saved but that of my whole household. Just understand that the pifs you have made has had a major impact on someone's life weather it be the individuals who received it or someone who saw that act of selfless kindness and in turn followed your example. It has done good and will continue to do so in someway. Saying I hold what has been piffed to me as a momento that I couldn't get rid of regardless of the manor it leaves me won't make a difference to how you feel or what happened. But know that you helped a stranger in need, to me there isn't a more rightous act and have earned a great deal of respect and love from myself as well as several members here. I am truly sorry for this but keep doing you don't allow it to deminish that amazing character. Good luck in life it was an absolute joy to have you here I hope you don't leave tho.
 

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Not sure how to start this. This is as a member here and not a moderator. There are ones who think it's wrong and some that it doesn't matter too as much. I know yall will be pissed at me but I don't think he's a shitty person at all. It wasn't a good choice but I'm positive he never intended any illness towards anyone. He probably never thought twice about selling the item. He's actually a great guy that has more than once pif to me or helped me out in one way or another. Along with a ton of other people here. Shit happens sometimes and it sucks. But no need to call him a shitty person. Because he's far from it. Put him on ignore if you feel but I hate to see people start leaving the Vu.
 

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Not sure how to start this. This is as a member here and not a moderator. There are ones who think it's wrong and some that it doesn't matter too as much. I know yall will be pissed at me but I don't think he's a shitty person at all. It wasn't a good choice but I'm positive he never intended any illness towards anyone. He probably never thought twice about selling the item. He's actually a great guy that has more than once pif to me or helped me out in one way or another. Along with a ton of other people here. Shit happens sometimes and it sucks. But no need to call him a shitty person. Because he's far from it. Put him on ignore if you feel but I hate to see people start leaving the Vu.
If you're referring to the person who posted the rda set today in the hardware thread that I'd gifted to them, yes you're right, he's not a shitty person. In fact I always considered him a friend on here, hence the reason I sent the item. You say that person probably never even thought of it, you may be right but that speaks to someone's character for me. As mentioned above, if this person had piff'd the item to an appreciative member I wouldn't have said a word, or offer it back. To profit from the gift is a greasy move imo.

Either way, this thread wasn't started because of one particular person or incident, this is the 4th for me in a year. The member who sold the mod I gave them in July knows who they are, that was a tough pill to swallow after thinking I was helping someone in need.

At the end of the day if this thread makes someone stop and think twice about posting something for sale on here that they received for free then I've accomplished what I set out to do in creating it
 
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Dbreezy187

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Upon further review I will also mention that he has been a major player in helping me to no benefit to himself even when I offered to put some towards shipping he refused it. He is an awesome guy and am sure he meant no disrespect in selling the item. I feel where you are coming from but in the same breath I hope it helps to know that he has done the same multiple times to me.
 

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I would hate to see you go @Theboss . I have always learned from your posts and as others have stated your expertise could be beneficial to a newcomer in the future. The individual of discussion has been great to me and sent me coils for my wife's tank which I could not afford. However I do understand your frustration over the situation. This community has been great to me as a whole and I believe that every individual matters. As stated by many others we certainly hope you reconsider leaving The Forum but if you do not certainly people were understand. Thank you for being a part of the Forum and I hope to see you around again. Peace and love to you and yours. Big Rick.
 

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I don't see anything particularly wrong or immoral with someone selling something that was given to them, but it IS in poor taste to do so IMO. Personally, I would be ashamed to do that but some folks don't care about the same things I do. If I was parting with something I was gifted, I would give it away. That's just the culture of generosity to me and the point of PIF.
 

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I was going to stay out of this and hope it would just die off and go away but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

I have respect for both members involved and the member that posted the thread in question is a great guy and has PIF'd me several items, in fact I have a mod that he sent me that will probably be delivered today. He wouldn't even let me pay the shipping.

I completely understand the OP feeling the way he does.
The sad part is that his feelings are an accumulation of 4 incedents if I'm reading things right, and one person is being singled out and having his reputation marred because of it.

I wish you both the best of luck and I really hope you don't leave because of this.

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being homeless once

not to change the subject here, but. i was homeless once, when i was a teen, for a couple of weeks. didn't even have a car.
this is a feeling you DO NOT want to know. 'worthless' doesn't even begin to describe it.
and no, i wasn't a drug addict or anything.

(please do not reply to this)
 

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I wasn't going to say anything either, but here I am.
I think of PIF as what it stands for. Which to me is, something that someone really needs, but can't afford it or doesn't have access to it. Also means they have thought about it and are going to use it. This is why I haven't received a PIF. If I want it I'll buy it. A PIF isn't a 'something for free'. And it's not about giving something away, it's about helping another.
As far as selling a PIF, imo if to the recipient it served its purpose and was no longer needed, while PIFing it again would be preferable, selling it would be ok because it served it's PIF purpose. I think if I participate to win a prize, I can sell that prize, just like if I won a car I didn't like, I'd sell it and buy one I did.
 

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Ok, so I need to clarify a few things. I replied to a hardware thread today where an item I had given to someone was being sold. I probably shouldn't have replied in public, so for that I do apologize to that person, but to put things into perspective this is the fourth item that's been up in the hardware thread that I've given away.

I get it, I shouldn't care, it belongs to that person now and they can do what they want with it. It's just not what I would do, I guess that's what bothers me. If I found out that it was piff'd again I'd be perfectly happy.

Before this example, I gifted and paid for shipping on a $100 mod because the person was kind of down and out at the time, then in July I see it up for sale. I would pay for shipping to get these items back if people aren't using them.....like I said earlier today, it's just disappointing.

I never called anyone any names or said they were a bad person, today was just an accumulative result that's been building for some time whenever I see these items up for sale.

Anyway, I don't want or expect anything from the people who have profited from my kindness, I will however leave the forum and in the future will piff to people I've met in person.

Take care
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@gadget!
@gsmit1

Allan
It's happened to me in the past too, on two occasions.....there are a select sad bunch of fucks on this forum
 

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The biggest Buzzard was Hank Spankman, he was selling high dollar shit on here he begged me for after saying he would pay for it when he got back on his feet.....too bad he died....yeah right....fuck him too
 

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. I just now saw this about 15 minutes ago.

I sent @Theboss a PM saying that I wasn't yelling, but just wanted to understand and was going to him in private first. Upon further reflection, I don't want this sitting here with no comment from myself, so I apologize to him in advance for commenting here after saying I was going to him one on one first.

I have never sold anything here at all. I've bought a few things and made a few trades, but have never once posted ANYthing for sale.

I would be thrilled to find out I've missed something and am misunderstanding, but thought it best after all to comment.
 

gsmit1

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He was only wishing you a fond farewell since he is leaving or left. Hoping he is reconsidering as with many here.
This is why I shouldn't stay up past my bedtime. Once I saw the other names, I knew there was no way they would do that either.
 

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