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gsmit1

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oh. i thought you were referring to a potential problem with the syrup bottle.

is that all the way full ?
No, the bottle is just a glass bottle and I tested it for water tightness first. There are competing thoughts between glass for long term or the factory seal. There's probably not a huge difference, but I still have a few smaller dropper bottles I'll get through before even getting to the newer 250mil in the syrup bottle so I'm thinking leaving it sealed might have been better. It won't be opened for a long time either though, so that air in the top shouldn't hurt anything.

I left the 2 new liter bottles sealed in the envelope as delivered and put them in the freezer. The medical grade bottles are supposed to be fine in the freezer as long as the contents don't freeze solid and expand.

I don't remember if I mentioned it, but the one that showed in the tracker as delivered to an address in Phoenix showed up here yesterday. The rocket scientists at USPS never cease to amaze.
 

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This is the thing right here. Does it leach? When I was first buying liquid salts that was what I was researching. I know that PVC based plastics leach into what they contain for instance. Fatty foods being really bad.

I though it was LNW, but I can't find it now. It was stated that the plastic bottles used were medical grade and didn't leach except maybe under excessive heat. You'd think that any seller worth buying from would use such bottles. LNW sends their sealed bottles also sealed in a foil envelope. Here is my last 500ml bottle transferred to a clean glass syrup bottle (which I now wish I hadn't done) along with a recent liter. That's the color LNW salts always comes with. That's been in the freezer for like 6 months.
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I'm thinking years not months. I should ask her the bottles are made of. Since they seal the bottles (and pull the oxygen out and replace it with an inert substance, so I've read) I'd much rather leave it sealed than transfer to glass. Do you know anything about Vaperstek bottles or their process?
 

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I'm thinking years not months. I should ask her the bottles are made of. Since they seal the bottles (and pull the oxygen out and replace it with an inert substance, so I've read) I'd much rather leave it sealed than transfer to glass. Do you know anything about Vaperstek bottles or their process?
I don't know specifically, but that's what I meant above when i was saying you'd think it would be safe to assume that any reputable seller would be using bottles suitable for long term storage if they're available and not astronomically expensive. They are available.

Maybe not. I'm no expert, but competition being what it is, why would a company wishing to compete, provide low quality storage bottles when other companies are able to use good ones while selling at competitive prices? My bet is on the lady telling you the truth. Such non leaching materials are available AND she knew what you were asking about so it's something they've considered. It would also be fairly easy to prove they're lying.
 

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while i would worry about leaching. i would also worry about porousness . while not a short term issue, 10+ years, who knows.
 

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while i would worry about leaching. i would also worry about porousness . while not a short term issue, 10+ years, who knows.
Yep hard to say although I would say that nic kept at around 0 deg is less susceptible to porosity effects than nic kept at warmer temps.
 

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I don't know specifically, but that's what I meant above when i was saying you'd think it would be safe to assume that any reputable seller would be using bottles suitable for long term storage if they're available and not astronomically expensive. They are available.

Maybe not. I'm no expert, but competition being what it is, why would a company wishing to compete, provide low quality storage bottles when other companies are able to use good ones while selling at competitive prices? My bet is on the lady telling you the truth. Such non leaching materials are available AND she knew what you were asking about so it's something they've considered. It would also be fairly easy to prove they're lying.
I"ve sent another email to Janine at Vaperstek asking about the bottles and if they do in fact seal the bottles with some kind of inert gas replacing the oxygen. I'll let you know what she says.
 

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Yep hard to say although I would say that nic kept at around 0 deg is less susceptible to porosity effects than nic kept at warmer temps.
It might even be the case that the plastic is less susceptible when cold too. Maybe.

The vaping chemist (youtube channel?) in the screenshot I posted on the previous page seemed pretty confident that if reasonable measures are taken, nicotine suspended in pg/vg and kept cold should last for many years. Logically it seems to me that if it will last for one year in these bottles without problems, why not 5? What changes in the next 4 years?
 

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I"ve sent another email to Janine at Vaperstek asking about the bottles and if they do in fact seal the bottles with some kind of inert gas replacing the oxygen. I'll let you know what she says.
Even if it's just sealed, the volume of oxygen in there compared to the volume of liquid shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't think, but I'll be quite interested in the response.
 

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Even if it's just sealed, the volume of oxygen in there compared to the volume of liquid shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't think, but I'll be quite interested in the response.
I agree, and the same is true of the little amount of oxygen in a glass bottle if I transferred it. The "factory" seal just makes me more comfortable storing for years, as long as the bottles are suitable.
 

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I agree, and the same is true of the little amount of oxygen in a glass bottle if I transferred it. The "factory" seal just makes me more comfortable storing for years, as long as the bottles are suitable.
That's why I decided from now on to leave mine sealed until it's time to use it. It's in an airtight bag in a sealed bottle made of a material that is designed for storing chemicals. Why am I stressing over trying to find something else when I won't even open the first liter for at least a year? i hate wasting money. I don't mind it being well spent, but I cannot stand wasting it. It was bugging me that it might be damaged over time. Seems like every method has it's downsides, so I just decided to leave it alone lol.
 

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That's why I decided from now on to leave mine sealed until it's time to use it. It's in an airtight bag in a sealed bottle made of a material that is designed for storing chemicals. Why am I stressing over trying to find something else when I won't even open the first liter for at least a year? i hate wasting money. I don't mind it being well spent, but I cannot stand wasting it. It was bugging me that it might be damaged over time. Seems like very method has it's downsides, so I just decided to leave it alone lol.
To me it's not just about wasting money. I'm 69 years old, smoked for a long long time and have been vaping cig free since February. I don't want to go back to cigarettes. With the deeming regs, proposed excise taxes and who knows what else coming, I'd like to buy and store enough nicotine to keep DIY'ing for my foreseeable future, based on the nic calculator someone posted. Don't mean to sound dramatic, but that's what I'm considering in terms of nic storage.
 

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To me it's not just about wasting money. I'm 69 years old, smoked for a long long time and have been vaping cig free since February. I don't want to go back to cigarettes. With the deeming regs, proposed excise taxes and who knows what else coming, I'd like to buy and store enough nicotine to keep DIY'ing for my foreseeable future, based on the nic calculator someone posted. Don't mean to sound dramatic, but that's what I'm considering in terms of nic storage.
oh no. That's not dramatic at all. Future proofing in the face of these big state overlords is essential.
 

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to me, plastic is known to degrade, leach and leak, to whatever degree. glass is known to not degrade, leach or leak, to any degree.
Except for some colored glass on some tanks?
Which are just coated...
One reason I choose clear glass.
 

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to me, plastic is known to degrade, leach and leak, to whatever degree. glass is known to not degrade, leach or leak, to any degree.
I do believe though we are technologically advanced enough to formulate plastics that will withstand degradation over time.
 

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I do believe though we are technologically advanced enough to formulate plastics that will withstand degradation over time.

i do agree. the thing is, are these bottles meant to be " long term shortage" bottles, or simply short term and "transportation" bottles ?
and i would not totally believe what the retailer it telling, as they "may' just be telling what is wanting to be heard.
 

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i do agree. the thing is, are these bottles meant to be " long term shortage" bottles, or simply short term and "transportation" bottles ?
and i would not totally believe what the retailer it telling, as they "may' just be telling what is wanting to be heard.
Tell em anything to get the sale?
Yep.
 

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oh. and they can't ship in glass. well, they could, but packaging and shipping would be way up there.
 

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Thought I'd post a follow-up to Vaperstek blue bottles and freezer storage. I've had several emails from Janine with Vaperstek and contrary to the statement above to tell them anything to get the sale, she's very honest in answering my questions. I told her what I was considering (freezer storing long term in their 120ml bottles) and she talked to "her nic guy". They recommend storage of 2 years or less, although she said she has one in her freezer that is 4 years old that is fine, but she can only guarantee 2 years. Longer than that, he recommended transfer to glass. She said they're sealing process is proprietary and couldn't tell me what they do. I can respect that.
 

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Thought I'd post a follow-up to Vaperstek blue bottles and freezer storage. I've had several emails from Janine with Vaperstek and contrary to the statement above to tell them anything to get the sale, she's very honest in answering my questions. I told her what I was considering (freezer storing long term in their 120ml bottles) and she talked to "her nic guy". They recommend storage of 2 years or less, although she said she has one in her freezer that is 4 years old that is fine, but she can only guarantee 2 years. Longer than that, he recommended transfer to glass. She said they're sealing process is proprietary and couldn't tell me what they do. I can respect that.
That 2 yr thing sounds about right to me.

but if you plan on keeping it a long time do not wait 2 years to put it in glass.
 

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I have always transferred to glass upon arrival, until this most recent liter I got. I decided to give Heartland Vapes house nic a try. I had my bottles all set up to transfer, then I saw a note on the label that said to not put it in glass. Thought that was odd. I currently don't have the space until I take my turkey out of the freezer, so I'll do it then, anyway. Just thought it was an unusual light caution. Anyway, they use those slender, rectangular-ish shaped bottles, so it's super easy to store if you do leave it in the container.

Their bottles are black, so light wouldn't get in, the way they packaged their shipment was completely impressive and the price was great for the house nic, under $50 a liter. They offer free shipping at $50, so it was easy to pick up anything to hit that mark. I also needed PG, which was the cheapest I've seen for a gallon at $19.99.

I'll try to remember to update, with pics, when I do open it. I always sample new liters, so will post that info, too. Just gotta wait til the turkey's moved.
 

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Thought I'd post a follow-up to Vaperstek blue bottles and freezer storage. I've had several emails from Janine with Vaperstek and contrary to the statement above to tell them anything to get the sale, she's very honest in answering my questions. I told her what I was considering (freezer storing long term in their 120ml bottles) and she talked to "her nic guy". They recommend storage of 2 years or less, although she said she has one in her freezer that is 4 years old that is fine, but she can only guarantee 2 years. Longer than that, he recommended transfer to glass. She said they're sealing process is proprietary and couldn't tell me what they do. I can respect that.
I called her a few weeks ago and she told me the same thing. I still don't trust the plastic.
I bought 2 liters of their 100mg PG based. I transferred it all to 60ml amber glass bottles with polycone caps.
I left no airspace in them. A friend of mine said PG based nic won't expand enough to break them.
Been in the freezer at -20 and haven't cracked yet, so he must be right.
 

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I called her a few weeks ago and she told me the same thing. I still don't trust the plastic.
I bought 2 liters of their 100mg PG based. I transferred it all to 60ml amber glass bottles with polycone caps.
I left no airspace in them. A friend of mine said PG based nic won't expand enough to break them.
Been in the freezer at -20 and haven't cracked yet, so he must be right.
So at 60ml (2oz) that would be 32 bottles?
 

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Actually i only used 30 of them. All of them are full.
I'm trying to decide what size amber to go with. Trade offs; I suppose the smaller the better. Leaning towards 120ml. Unfortunately we sold our basement chest freezer.
 

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Great thread on nic storage. I have several gallons in the freezer.
I did in fact transfer all of it into amber glass. I have so much that I even 8 - 32oz. growlers that are full to the bottom of the neck. I also bough 16 oz., 8 oz., 6 oz. 4 oz and 1 oz./30ml. I had to split the bottles between 2 freezers.

I didn't foil them. They're standing up on shelves with brown towels over and around them in the freezer. I'll gradually be doing a lot more transferring in the coming years. How long does a 30ml last out of the freezer? I use it to bump up some of my vendor eliquid sometimes. I keep a 30ml in a dark, cool, wood lingerie chest. The nic is 2.5 years old. I'll be transferring the larger bottles to the other fridge soon.
 
I buy my nicotine already in amber bottles usually. If I do buy some in plastic, I transfer it to amber glass, usually in smaller bottles filled almost completely. I then seal the top with heat shrink. As a final measure of caution I put the bottle in food saver vacuum seal bags and seal them. I then store it in the freezer long term. The food saver bags served dual purposes. A, if the cap on the bottle is not 100% tight, and the heat shrink on the cap does not prevent air leaking in, or even worse, having 250mg/ml nicotine leaking out in my freezer on food. Store bought juices in 125ml bottles have also received the vacuum seal bag treatment with date made, and date stored written on the bag. Usually have 4 125ml bottles in each bag. The juice is then stored in 2 dormroom style fridges, and the juice I am currently vaping is 2 years old with no noticeable degrading of flavor, or darkening of the juice. My favorite juice (zeus E-juice) is their signature zeus flavor, and I have 75 125ml bottles of it at 12mg/ml 50/50. They went belly up recently, but posted all their recipes for flavors on their facebook page. It took a few trials to get the right amount of flavor in it, but If it is different, I can't taste the difference. My nicotine is being stored because that is the only thing that I can't buy myself. The flavoring, PG, VG, and sweetener all existed before vaping for other purposes. I have other flavors as well in lower quantity. Totaled, I have over 125 bottles of various juices, including the 75 bottles of zeus. I also have 12, 125 ml bottles of 100mg/ml unfavored base in VG...from nude nicotine armor V1 stored as stated. I also have 2 500ml bottles of 250mg/ml VG base on the way from LNW. That comes in plastic so I will transfer it all to 125ml amber glass bottles, label it, and heat shrink the top then put it in vacuums seal bags. I have 2 1liter bottles that are over 5 years old and has yellowed some, so that is for emergency use. I have around 150 mods, many unopened, over 200 sub-ohm tanks, 100 rda's, about 2000 various coils, many rolls of various spools of wire, and premade custom made rda coils. I have been aware the vape apocalypse was coming some day for a long time. I started buying decent mods, tanks, and such when on big sales, much of it for very little cash. I am also prepared as well for the day some power hungry politician decides to declare himself dictator. That might not come in my lifetime, but it will happen someday, and the citizens better be ready to take back our freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution. That was the real reason the 2nd amendment was written. If the day comes when a Government employee tries to confiscate all our firearms, we will all have a decision to make. I know what mine will be, life without freedom is not life. I pray it happens long after I and those I love are gone, but some of what has already transpired has me concerned that it has already started. The mere fact that I am, and have been buying vape liquids and supplies like a mad man is because the Government decided they knew better how to run my life than I do. I am 63 with a damaged spinal cord, so hopefully I will not have to make such a choice. I pray that my Sister and her Children and Grandchildren don't either.
 

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Well, @sarge12 these are indeed not happy times for freedom loving folks.
I believe we'll get past this, but it won't be painless.
 
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Would it be ok to store 1-liter bottles of nic in the original bottles in the freezer from My Freedom Smokes? Or should I break them down into brown or blue glass bottles?
You should better use out once opened it, because nic is easier to be oxidated, if you can not use it up on time, you'd better seal it very well and keep in cool place.
 

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I've always broken my nic down as soon as I get it. It's best that way so you can check to make sure you didn't receive SKANK nic as a lot of folks did lately from @River Supply Co. If they stored in the original bottles, they would never had known they were shipped shit nicotine.
 

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