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wilderbeast123

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Hey all!

Really silly post but this is on my mind constantly and has been for several weeks.

I have been feeling very very guilty about vaping recently...I am addicted to nicotine and a part of my brain really wants to break free from the habit.

A little back story, I started smoking about 5 years ago, mostly gong through between 15-20 roll ups a day. I moved over to vaping about 6 months ago and after some trail and error I found that using 0.3mg nic strength was good enough for me. I go through 50ml of e-liquid per week using ONE nicotine salt. So I have massively cut down my nicotine in take.

I have tried 5 times now to kick the habit, even throwing away e liquid but I can only go 1 day until I go out to buy another bottle. I do not get physical withdrawals, but I do feel it emotionally. I need to accept that I am not ready yet but I still feel so so so guilty! I even dream about it, I keep having dreams about having major lung issues etc!

Anyone else have this issue or is it only me? Thanks all!
 

Carambrda

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This issue is not caused by vaping nicotine. Rather, it is caused by being an ex-smoker, as is affirmed by countless ex-smokers who are never-vapers, whereas vaping nicotine is what suppresses it. "Nicotine addiction" is a multibillion-dollar lie that can only be sustained by selectively ignoring all the contradicting evidence, i.e., confirmation bias at its finest. I hereby challenge you to find ONE study (just one) that presents conclusive empirical evidence of "nicotine administered in abscence of tobacco smoke is addictive in humans". That's right, any and all of the evidence is confounding nicotine with tobacco smoke when it comes to its allegedly addictive properties. Allegedly, as there haven't even been conducted any experiments on humans in this regard, while it has long been established the fact that animal studies involving nicotine administered intravenously without tobacco smoke do not apply to humans, and in fact are largely inconclusive anyway in the first place. Granted, fMRI scans did show increased brain activity in areas of the brain associated with pleasure, and increased levels of dopamine and dopamine-related responses in the brain have been detected. But the same can also be said about a person who drinks a pop soda or who watches a cool painting. So, my advice to you is you should watch the 2002 movie titled Equilibrium. (After you do, please report back to us on whether you still want Prozium.)
 

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Hey all!

Really silly post but this is on my mind constantly and has been for several weeks.

I have been feeling very very guilty about vaping recently...I am addicted to nicotine and a part of my brain really wants to break free from the habit.

A little back story, I started smoking about 5 years ago, mostly gong through between 15-20 roll ups a day. I moved over to vaping about 6 months ago and after some trail and error I found that using 0.3mg nic strength was good enough for me. I go through 50ml of e-liquid per week using ONE nicotine salt. So I have massively cut down my nicotine in take.

I have tried 5 times now to kick the habit, even throwing away e liquid but I can only go 1 day until I go out to buy another bottle. I do not get physical withdrawals, but I do feel it emotionally. I need to accept that I am not ready yet but I still feel so so so guilty! I even dream about it, I keep having dreams about having major lung issues etc!

Anyone else have this issue or is it only me? Thanks all!

Why should you feel guilty?

You have quit smoking tobacco, which is where the real harm is, to yourself and others

Do you drink coffee or tea? If so, do you feel guilty about being addicted to caffein?

The real pity is allowing society or whomever it is make you feel shame about doing something to keep you from smoking

Please don't feel guilty, so many people quit vaping in this big fear of being addicted to nicotine, only to take up smoking again after gettting rid of all their vape gear
 

wilderbeast123

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Why should you feel guilty?

You have quit smoking tobacco, which is where the real harm is, to yourself and others

Do you drink coffee or tea? If so, do you feel guilty about being addicted to caffein?

The real pity is allowing society or whomever it is make you feel shame about doing something to keep you from smoking

Please don't feel guilty, so many people quit vaping in this big fear of being addicted to nicotine, only to take up smoking again after gettting rid of all their vape gear
I think you hit the nail on the head there. I do not feel guilty about coffee but I guess that can harm you in massive doses as well ha! On that day I went without nicotine, I very almost grabbed an alcoholic drink to take the edge off (used to be a functioning alcoholic) and I went for the vape instead. I guess we all have a vice in this world and life, I have not had a drink since Christmas so at least I have kicked that habit xD! Thanks x
 

Rhianne

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Hey all!

Really silly post but this is on my mind constantly and has been for several weeks.

I have been feeling very very guilty about vaping recently...I am addicted to nicotine and a part of my brain really wants to break free from the habit.

A little back story, I started smoking about 5 years ago, mostly gong through between 15-20 roll ups a day. I moved over to vaping about 6 months ago and after some trail and error I found that using 0.3mg nic strength was good enough for me. I go through 50ml of e-liquid per week using ONE nicotine salt. So I have massively cut down my nicotine in take.

I have tried 5 times now to kick the habit, even throwing away e liquid but I can only go 1 day until I go out to buy another bottle. I do not get physical withdrawals, but I do feel it emotionally. I need to accept that I am not ready yet but I still feel so so so guilty! I even dream about it, I keep having dreams about having major lung issues etc!

Anyone else have this issue or is it only me? Thanks all!

How long have you been vaping since you stopped smoking.?
 

Rhianne

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This issue is not caused by vaping nicotine. Rather, it is caused by being an ex-smoker, as is affirmed by countless ex-smokers who are never-vapers, whereas vaping nicotine is what suppresses it. "Nicotine addiction" is a multibillion-dollar lie that can only be sustained by selectively ignoring all the contradicting evidence, i.e., confirmation bias at its finest. I hereby challenge you to find ONE study (just one) that presents conclusive empirical evidence of "nicotine administered in abscence of tobacco smoke is addictive in humans". That's right, any and all of the evidence is confounding nicotine with tobacco smoke when it comes to its allegedly addictive properties. Allegedly, as there haven't even been conducted any experiments on humans in this regard, while it has long been established the fact that animal studies involving nicotine administered intravenously without tobacco smoke do not apply to humans, and in fact are largely inconclusive anyway in the first place. Granted, fMRI scans did show increased brain activity in areas of the brain associated with pleasure, and increased levels of dopamine and dopamine-related responses in the brain have been detected. But the same can also be said about a person who drinks a pop soda or who watches a cool painting. So, my advice to you is you should watch the 2002 movie titled Equilibrium. (After you do, please report back to us on whether you still want Prozium.)

Prozac en anglais? :giggle:
 

Carambrda

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Prozac en anglais? :giggle:
Prozium, not Prozac. "Prozium II" is the name of the drug from the movie so you'll need to watch the movie to understand what they're using it for... it's actually a pretty good movie with Christian Bale and Emily Watson, and, even though one could argue that it borrows heavily from other dystopian movies, it still manages to be more than different enough that it brings its own unique statement in a very compelling manner. Now that flavored e-juices are getting banned in many places in the US, this unique statement is applicable, now more than ever. The OP's description of feeling emotional about vaping is right smack in the middle of this.
 

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No, I never did. It may be only you.

Do you drink coffee or tea? If so, do you feel guilty about being addicted to caffein?

The real pity is allowing society or whomever it is make you feel shame about doing something to keep you from smoking

The world is tough enough with plenty of people willing to give you shit. Why be so hard on yourself?

I do not feel guilty about coffee but I guess that can harm you in massive doses as well ha!

Yep. I looked it up once. I would need to drink about 11 8 oz cups of coffee to kill myself. Which I find hilarious as when younger I drank coffee by the pots. My average was around 8 pots per day though some days I got 12 pots down. Used to be a damn coffee fiend. Now, if I drink 3 cups in a day it's a blue moon. I usually might do 1 cup a day out of 3 days during a week, though some weeks it's a cup a day.

My overall point is I don't see where you've anything to be guilty over. Consider though I use 18 mg per ml nicotine juice in freebase solution. I roughly go through about 4 ml per day, that's around 72 mg of nicotine per day, 504 mg per week, 26,208 mg per year.

I can openly state I am physically and psychologically dependent on nicotine. I do not consider myself an addict. I've not willing or knowingly killed, stolen, lied to continue using nicotine. Though I'm sure by technical definition, "hello, I'm a nicotine addict."

I used tobacco products, smoking, dipping, chewing for 35 to 40 years. I now only seldomly have a cigarette and am working toward abolishing that seldom habit. I do not though beat myself over it with guilt. I vape to not smoke ergo yes having a cigarette in my case is "wrong" but I'm also human. That is not an excuse exactly, merely allowing for compassion of myself.

Allow for compassion, first with yourself then with others. Comprehend though that others do not exist. We're all one and one is all. We love you, now love yourself. :) And no, this does not grant you a "free pass". You know instinctively what is good or evil. You're still responsible to choose correctly.You will be held to account. We all are, even if no one is "in charge".

it's actually a pretty good movie with Christian Bale and Emily Watson, and, even though one could argue that it borrows heavily from other dystopian movies, it still manages to be more than different enough that it brings its own unique statement in a very compelling manner.

It is indeed a good movie with its own different manner of statement. My wife and I enjoyed gun katas.
 
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I don't let anyone make me feel guilty about vaping.

I might feel that way about spending too much money on vaping, but those are two very different things. Doubtless if I weren't spending too much money on vaping, I'd be spending it on silverware, or art glass lamps, or purses, or any one of a number of things I've been known to collect.

Hubbs has had his time with archery, hunting, and fishing equipment, boats, a tricked-out golf cart-turned-ATV, along with guns and such, so he doesn't say much. I catch just a bit of a glare every now and then, which I pretty much ignore.
 

eSMOKA

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Its a behaviour pattern I have had most of my life, think I need to address that before anything else

I'm glad you came to that conclusion. I was going to suggest that but I thought it might come across as extremely arrogant.

I agree.

That's not to say that vaping isn't damaging to your lungs, but this far out I think we, as a community, have enough real world proof that vaping is at least a somewhat healthier habit than smoking and that's a good thing. But to be truthful, it's probably at least 75% healthier than smoking.

But if smoking and vaping create too much anxiety for you, you are better off putting your efforts toward quitting both. Despite what people want to believe, quitting is doable and many people have done it. The key, I believe is keeping your hands and mind occupied as much as possible.
 

eSMOKA

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If I were you, I'd feel more guilty about wasting all the juice than vaping itself. That's a lot of juice and that gets expensive.

Waste (be it money or really anything) is a shameful act.

If you are going to quit, then put a real effort toward it and be mentally prepared, but don't waste all that money and juice every other day lol. That's not going to make you quit. Quitting is in the mind.

What a lot of people don't understand, even some vapers, is that when you switch to vaping, since it's so different than smoking, you are actually quitting smoking to a large degree. It takes some people a lot of effort to go from smoking to vaping because they can't let go of those things that are particular to smoking. They have to essentially quit smoking to replace it with vaping.

There are people I know of that have never been able to switch to vaping 100% for years and years. they vape and smoke because sometimes they just need the cigarette.

Then there are vapers who did switch, but even after 10 years they are still looking for that "perfect" tobacco flavor - they can't let go of that one aspect of smoking. It will be with them forever because they mentally can't come to terms with it. But that's OK because at least they don't smoke. However, it does, IMHO, mean that there is that one thing in the back of their mind that could possible make them lapse back into smoking someday, even if only part-time.

My point is, if you can switch from smoking to vaping - 100% - then I believe you have what it takes to go from vaping to nothing.
 
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wilderbeast123

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How long have you been vaping since you stopped smoking.?
Last pouch of tobacco I purchased was about 6 or 7 months back. I could count on one hand how many cigs I have smoked since then (when a friend offers me one) :) its the taste and sick feeling I get that keeps me off the cigs now!
 

wilderbeast123

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If I were you, I'd feel more guilty about wasting all the juice than vaping itself. That's a lot of juice and that gets expensive.

Waste (be it money or really anything) is a shameful act.

If you are going to quit, then put a real effort toward it and be mentally prepared, but don't waste all that money and juice every other day lol. That's not going to make you quit. Quitting is in the mind.

What a lot of people don't understand, even some vapers, is that when you switch to vaping, since it's so different than smoking, you are actually quitting smoking to a large degree. It takes some people a lot of effort to go from smoking to vaping because they can't let go of those things that are particular to smoking. They have to essentially quit smoking to replace it with vaping.

There are people I know of that have never been able to switch to vaping 100% for years and years. they vape and smoke because sometimes they just need the cigarette.

Then there are vapers who did switch, but even after 10 years they are still looking for that "perfect" tobacco flavor - they can't let go of that one aspect of smoking. It will be with them forever because they mentally can't come to terms with it. But that's OK because at least they don't smoke. However, it does, IMHO, mean that there is that one thing in the back of their mind that could possible make them lapse back into smoking someday, even if only part-time.

My point is, if you can switch from smoking to vaping - 100% - then I believe you have what it takes to go from vaping to nothing.
Luckily its not hundreds of pounds of juice that got thrown away, more like 20 pounds or so (still shit I know lol) Yes I found the transition very easy for some reason, whenever I have a cig now (very very rarely) I feel like I am going to throw up and the taste is pretty horrible as well xD
 

Rhianne

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Last pouch of tobacco I purchased was about 6 or 7 months back. I could count on one hand how many cigs I have smoked since then (when a friend offers me one) :) its the taste and sick feeling I get that keeps me off the cigs now!

It takes about six months straight to really get over the detox from the cigarette chemicals, imho.

If you keep smoking while you’re vaping, it just makes it harder. You can quit for good with vaping, why are you worrying about nicotine??
 

Rhianne

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If I were you, I'd feel more guilty about wasting all the juice than vaping itself. That's a lot of juice and that gets expensive.

Waste (be it money or really anything) is a shameful act.

If you are going to quit, then put a real effort toward it and be mentally prepared, but don't waste all that money and juice every other day lol. That's not going to make you quit. Quitting is in the mind.

What a lot of people don't understand, even some vapers, is that when you switch to vaping, since it's so different than smoking, you are actually quitting smoking to a large degree. It takes some people a lot of effort to go from smoking to vaping because they can't let go of those things that are particular to smoking. They have to essentially quit smoking to replace it with vaping.

There are people I know of that have never been able to switch to vaping 100% for years and years. they vape and smoke because sometimes they just need the cigarette.

Then there are vapers who did switch, but even after 10 years they are still looking for that "perfect" tobacco flavor - they can't let go of that one aspect of smoking. It will be with them forever because they mentally can't come to terms with it. But that's OK because at least they don't smoke. However, it does, IMHO, mean that there is that one thing in the back of their mind that could possible make them lapse back into smoking someday, even if only part-time.

My point is, if you can switch from smoking to vaping - 100% - then I believe you have what it takes to go from vaping to nothing.

WTA helped me for that cig/tobacco aspect, but they’ve been really hard to find lately.
There are people on VU that still dual use. But it really doesn’t matter, if they want to quit smoking for good, they will.
I just really couldn’t afford $14 a pack anymore. I mean I could, but it was cutting into my money too much. Not that vaping is cheap, but I’m mixing my own juice and I’ve got my daily drivers sorted out. I’m only shopping for Deeming now. :cry:
 

wilderbeast123

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It takes about six months straight to really get over the detox from the cigarette chemicals, imho.

If you keep smoking while you’re vaping, it just makes it harder. You can quit for good with vaping, why are you worrying about nicotine??
In all honesty I have been listening to people around me tell me how bad vaping is. Funnily enough these same people drink alcohol on a daily basis haha. I think I just let the whole 'nicotine can kill you' shit get to me recently :O. Even water can kill you if you have too much ???
 

Rhianne

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In all honesty I have been listening to people around me tell me how bad vaping is. Funnily enough these same people drink alcohol on a daily basis haha. I think I just let the whole 'nicotine can kill you' shit get to me recently :O. Even water can kill you if you have too much ???

Don’t listen to people who are getting their info from the media here about vaping. If you want the truth, google what Public Health England says about vaping, since they have socialized medicine and don’t profit from people being sick.

What’s with the “that vaping guilt”, though? Why should you feel guilty about not smoking? Vaping is the ONLY way to quit smoking effectively.

Edit: There’s a difference between the nicotine in cigarettes and the nicotine in Eliquid. The effects are different. For one, you’re not getting nicotine with 600 other chemicals.

But if it really bothers you, try the heat not burn stuff. The gov’t approves of them.
 

Rhianne

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I don't let anyone make me feel guilty about vaping.

I might feel that way about spending too much money on vaping, but those are two very different things. Doubtless if I weren't spending too much money on vaping, I'd be spending it on silverware, or art glass lamps, or purses, or any one of a number of things I've been known to collect.

Hubbs has had his time with archery, hunting, and fishing equipment, boats, a tricked-out golf cart-turned-ATV, along with guns and such, so he doesn't say much. I catch just a bit of a glare every now and then, which I pretty much ignore.

That’s right, I forgot that you have Tiffany style lamps, too!
 

eSMOKA

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In all honesty I have been listening to people around me tell me how bad vaping is. Funnily enough these same people drink alcohol on a daily basis haha. I think I just let the whole 'nicotine can kill you' shit get to me recently :O. Even water can kill you if you have too much ???

Smokers tell me that vaping is bad for me. I'm not kidding.

Most people are best used for entertainment at best. Watch them, listen to them and laugh, then go about your business.
 

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Smokers tell me that vaping is bad for me. I'm not kidding.

Most people are best used for entertainment at best. Watch them, listen to them and laugh, then go about your business.
Yep except when they try to run MY business by their standards or lack thereof.
 
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Carambrda

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Smokers tell me that vaping is bad for me. I'm not kidding.

Most people are best used for entertainment at best. Watch them, listen to them and laugh, then go about your business.
My grandma always used to say that nothing is worse for your health than eating food with an empty stomach. :giggle:
 

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