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Smok XPro M65 Plus ... now with built in batteries
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And a market mainstream screen!I like the Extra large button feel better update they made. I need my buttons to be Extra large button feel better. It's even got a restart hole!
The restart hole makes up for that lack of choice!
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This does looks fairly nice but I like being able to change out my batteries. It does have one feature I REALLY wish they had included on the XPRO - pass through capability - I could deal with the shitty screws if I could vape and charge at the same time.
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Ugh.. another way to keep you buying a new device once those batteries shit the bed... this is discouraging because I must say this is nicest looking device Smok has put out!
With the exception of the iStick, every mod I have used with LiPO batteries from China manufacturers has died a pre-mature death after a month or so. Not real keen on the LiPO's unless I source them myself at the Hobby store.
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Looks like a winner here. Very stylish interface, high end zinc alloy and aluminum build for sturdiness, large 4400 mAh battery, plenty of heat vents on the bottom and 65 watts of power and restart hole. It also has the pass through option, vape monitor and temperature control. I assume it will fire down to .2 ohms like the M65 mini with replaceable battery. Good deal for around $70. Check out the color options below. XPRO M65 PLUS by SMOK.
Looks like a winner here. Very stylish interface, high end zinc alloy and aluminum build for sturdiness, large 4400 mAh battery, plenty of heat vents on the bottom and 65 watts of power and restart hole. It also has the pass through option, vape monitor and temperature control. I assume it will fire down to .2 ohms like the M65 mini with replaceable battery. Good deal for around $70. Check out the color options below. XPRO M65 PLUS by SMOK.
So how does it regulate temperature without NI200 heads or builds? Any ideas?
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Not completely certain but I would presume that it focuses on the regulation of the board and the chip through built in heat sensors as opposed to solely the chip adjusting temperature readout based on the wire in the atomizer heads, or it may be a combination of both with an upgraded chip. I'm almost certain that it doesn't use Evolv but then again it may not have to. They are likely using different technology to achieve the same means not dependent on nickel wire. I would think it would work and work well if it can provide that extra measure of safety to the end user, just a different approach with different technology that we see in the DNA. I can easily live without this feature so long as other safety features are in place, but it may be important to some, so it's nice to have that optional extra layer. It looks like a good device for what it offers. Are you considering picking one up?
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Yup. exactly this.. I'll never buy a mod for more than 20-30$ that doesn't have the replaceable option..
it seems like smok is setting their prices a bit too high for these types of devices
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and does anyone actually use the puff counter? It has always seemed like a useless function to me..
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Smok seems to be pushing things out really fast (and dropping their price points REALLY fast) recently. I just got the XPRO BT50 for Christmas and I know the person who got it for me paid around $100 for it. It was basically brandy new when I got it! Now, not even a month later there's these which seem to have every good feature of the BT50 while adding several really interesting features and dropping the price almost by half...... Still wish the batteries were replaceable but I think I may have to get one of these bad boys to put my mini subtank on when that comes out lolLooks like a winner here. Very stylish interface, high end zinc alloy and aluminum build for sturdiness, large 4400 mAh battery, plenty of heat vents on the bottom and 65 watts of power and restart hole. It also has the pass through option, vape monitor and temperature control. I assume it will fire down to .2 ohms like the M65 mini with replaceable battery. Good deal for around $70. Check out the color options below. XPRO M65 PLUS by SMOK.
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I'm curious, how stable will the first round be. Probably not very, but who knows. No one knows if it is Nickel dependent for Temp limiting, correct?
It seems that Yihi abandoned their Temp Limiting/Control for the time being, so with Smoktech coming out of no where with this, it sure is interesting. Welcome sure, but I get the feeling China uses us as test dummies too often I hope they at least release this and it is somewhat stable and working as expected. 2015 will be a fun year for us.
It seems that Yihi abandoned their Temp Limiting/Control for the time being, so with Smoktech coming out of no where with this, it sure is interesting. Welcome sure, but I get the feeling China uses us as test dummies too often I hope they at least release this and it is somewhat stable and working as expected. 2015 will be a fun year for us.
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I got a feeling all those LiPOs are made in China. Are there any country of origin markings on those?
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As the ad says "it helps you with your vaping plan". What plan? I have no plan!
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LOL Yea i don't know anyone who has tried to reduce their puffs on a daily basis.. if anything I try to INCREASE
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Yes they do drop the prices within a short time frame which I think is a direct result of the rapid output of new devices competing for notoriety. With a 4400 milliamp battery you won't even have to think about changing batteries, it will likely last you 3 days straight on a single charge. If the build is good, as has been my experience with past SMOK products; I would imagine it will serve you well for some time. Cost $70 = an investment of about $6 per month in a year's time which is roughly the price of a pack of generic brand cigarettes. You vape for an entire year at the cost of a carton of smokes. Super deal
P.S. SMOK just started getting into the whole box mod genre so I'm expecting there to be minor issues along the way. Like any device on the market there will be room for growth. So far this looks like a really good mod based on the specs. Performance will be measured in time. SMOK has a fairly good track record under their belt.
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Actually the ones I got were made in of all places, Brazil...
I suppose we will see what the quality is like over the next few months.Yes they do drop the prices within a short time frame which I think is a direct result of the rapid output of new devices competing for notoriety. With a 4400 milliamp battery you won't even have to think about changing batteries, it will likely last you 3 days straight on a single charge. If the build is good, as has been my experience with past SMOK products; I would imagine it will last you a year if not longer. Cost $70 = an investment of about $6 per month which is roughly the price of a pack of generic brand cigarettes. You vape for an entire year at the cost of a carton of smokes. Super deal
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I don't personally care for it either but it's helpful to newbies coming of off analogs. It's used as a measure of comparison to how many pulls they used take when smoking and to regulate their juice intake. Say for example you want to cut down your nicotine intake but don't wish to take a decrease in mg/ml, you can then monitor your puffs and set personal goals to puff less and track your progress in a journal. It also helps to get an idea of how many pulls you take to get through your juice supply in your tank. I see it as a personal goal setting feature and nothing more.
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I totally get the 'purpose' of it.. I just don't think anyone, even noobs really use it.. especially for the amount of devices that include this option.. I think its more of a 'what else can we add to this device that isn't too difficult' lol. well a puff counter is easy? ok perfect! Meeting concluded.
Starting to think evolv went to china to visit smok plant. Just thinking out loud
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What's interesting is that we have this attitude now as a result of classical conditioning. I think it's important to note this because when the MVP first came out it was selling for $60 and people didn't have a problem spending their dollars for it. Then when the i Stick came out and revolutionized the industry for small full featured box mods at an incredibly low price point of $35, everyone began to think that this would be the new standard for pricing. Now any mod with built in batteries that's released people are automatically wired to think that the i Stick price point should be the standard to follow. When in fact, in my opinion Eleaf low balled from the onset because they didn't have an accurate sense of the market and could have easily sold the 20 watt for $60-70. I know many people who have bought the i Stick from their local Brick and Mortar for that price not knowing you can find them online for 1/2 the cost, but they didn't care, there was no issue or regret they were happy and that was the bottom line. So if the M65 Plus will cost only $20 more than the already very low 50 watt i Stick coming at the end of the month I don't suspect interest to falter one bit. They are offering a very nice shell, sturdy build, professional appearance and an extra 15 watts. The i Stick will still be the dominant seller for mid range budget devices without question but SMOK will not sit idle, these mods once proven will gain more interest and find their demographic. There is a huge market for built in battery mods as sales continue to steadily show.
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It's just an added feature to round off the device and make it more appealing that's all. I know people who love it and others can pass on it altogether. Stay tuned before you know it you'll be able to teleconference from your mod
The future is nowAnd the neighbor next door will order cable with 300 channels and only watch HBO once a week. He won't mind paying more because he wants the entire package. Same deal with mods, the industry know they can sell an attractive package and people are ready and willing to pay that price.
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The cap on the iStick that overlaps the sides seems like a much better/safer design than Smok's which is inset, which looks like the inevitable juice leakage will work it's way inside.
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The cap on the iStick that overlaps the sides seems like a much better/safer design than Smok's which is inset, which looks like the inevitable juice leakage will work it's way inside.
That's an interesting observation. I would agree that the i Stick has a better design but I'm definitely impressed by what the M65 offers so far. I will be getting the i Stick 50 for sure and will consider the M65 once it has been out for a month or two. I'm sure reviews are going to start coming in shortly for the M65, it's a nice looking mod with a lot of impressive specs. We'll see how it goes.
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They have not been released yet. Will likely be the end of the month or the first week of February along with the i Stick 50 watt.
If by the word "design" you are talking about technical things... it's too early to tell on any mod that hasn't be released to the public yet including the newer iStick 50w. If you mean by it's styling... that's subjective and therefore somewhat not arguable one way or the other since everyone will have different opinions anyway.
The Smok will likely be a pure DC output based on the other releases they had lately... the iStick is uncertain at this point. If the iStick 50w is still using PWM, it's unknown whether they corrected the calculations to be RMS or AVG... in fact, haven't even heard about that for the 30w yet as far as what I've read and seen since most reviewers that have released a review don't have the equipment needed for those tests yet.
Based on my Smok XTPro BT50w... I'm not impressed by their technical aspects. Mine works ok on it's output but I'd prefer a mod I don't have to wake up before firing for a vape and the buttons are a bit rattly ( like many mods including the iSticks ). I've read by one persons report that the Smok M50w doesn't need to be woke up first, but that was just one person so far and no mention about the buttons either way from what I've read so far.
Just to be clear on my own preferences ( another subjective area )... I'm biased against PWM now after I've vaped on several DNA devices ( Evolve and Chinese types )... I'm really against a PWM that uses AVG output values after trying both modes on my Vamo v2. I'm also not a fan of most box styles although I've moved to them for their smaller overall size. Lastly, the already mentioned part of needing to wake up a mod before taking a vape bothers me a little also.
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Well that was an interesting read. Thank you for sharing your subjective preferences and biases. Everyone is certainly different with regard to what they are looking for in a device and what will ultimately meet their needs and standards. Many will certainly not mind the imperfections unless they are of issue to the individual in possession of the device. Some may note personal displeasure and limitations of any particular unit and therefore will not purchase it. There will never be an electronic cigarette or anything for that matter which will please every critic and skeptic on the planet. Manufacturers can only do their best to work diligently to offer the public a product that they feel will be of worthy use and adequately serve a particular need. Personal satisfaction ultimately rests in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps in the near or distant future the industry will design a device tailored to your demand and specification. Until such time, we can only continue to make the best of what we have and make choices suited to our needs. At the rate the industry is moving we're sure to continue to see progress with the passage of time and a brighter future down the road.
Best wishes on your vape journey
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Possibly two separate settings... but never combined. RMS or AVG ( some call it MEAN ) are only terms used with PWM to calculate their output. DC output doesn't need calculated... it is just the amount it is...
PWM... is pulsed output of the voltage the device is capable of... hence the term pulsed width modulation. So if a device can output up to say 6v... it pulses that 6v on and off to simulate the output value that a DC output would be at say.. 3.7v ( or whatever setting ). The RMS value is the closest equivalent to what a DC value would be... if they use AVG ( averaging ) it's actually feels much higher of an output than what the DC is. This output difference is much greater at the lower settings than they are when they get closer to the max output... the max output is likely almost identical ( if not exactly the same ) to a DC output. So you'll hear people say that at the lower AVG PWM setting... the device is firing hotter than it should be.
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If you read that link it says it takes replacement batteries and comes in an m50 box, but says m65 when you turn it on. Hax?
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You're right my apologies for the accidental oversight. I didn't get a chance to read through the description because I assumed that it was the M65 which has an internal 4400 mAh battery and looks the same. I thought they might have received them early from the manufacturer. Smok also should have put it in the m65 box so it wouldn't confuse people. Anyhow, it looks like a good mod for people who want to replace batteries. I'll keep an eye out for a good place to get the M65 with the built in battery in the coming weeks.
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Sooo.. Any updates on the M80 plus?
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SMOK will be releasing the M65 Plus at the end of February and is planning to upgrade the power from 65 watts to 80, thus I suspect it will be called the SMOK M80 Plus now instead. I don't know why they decided to upgrade the model after it was finished and set for release and add to the confusion but it is what it is. Delivery is tentatively scheduled after the Chinese New Year at the end of February. It's currently listed for $45 if anyone wants to order in advance from Hong Kong. I don't do pre -orders personally. I will wait until it is readily available and in stock domestically and check in with my trusted vendors. But for those who want to pre order you'll save $25 as it will be selling for $70. I never dealt with this company before so you may want to get in contact with them before placing your order and check the web for reviews. They primarily sell in volume to retailers but you may be able to work something out for a single purchase or get in on a group buy with others. I would personally just wait until the final version is released locally, my guess would be around the first or second week in March.
Here's the link. https://www.ecigarettelobby.com/smok-xpro-m65-plus.html
Here's the link. https://www.ecigarettelobby.com/smok-xpro-m65-plus.html
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I am glad I bought the plain M65 and not the plus. The ability to change the batteries is a deal breaker for me. Is anyone sure that these batteries can't be replaced? It looks like the top and bottom are still held on with screws, I bet the unit can still be replaced but would like someone to verify this. Looks like they also added a puff counter, which means nothing to me. I am a bit worried about liquid leaking in from the top, I will pull mine and apply some clear silicone bead around the lip and re attach the top and I should be good to go. I think I saw someone say on a review that Smok said it was waterproof, he pulled the base and top off and there was no rubber seal like one would expect to see on a waterproof device.
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If you cannot change the power cells, it's disposable...NAH.
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Nah, I'll stay with my M50. Whole reason I got it was 50 watts, single battery, tiny size. My Sig 100 watt has 2 batteries. I can toss my M50 in my shirt pocket, no one sees it, and it fires 30 watts into my Foggers. For 15 more watts that I don't need, and double the size, I'll pass.....
Edit: and you can't replace the batteries on this one? arg....
Edit: and you can't replace the batteries on this one? arg....
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If you plan on pushing it close to it's full potential, 50W or so, 4400mAh is where I would want to be.
And FWIW I'm sure there will be many vids on battery replacement down the line.
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Are these things supposed to have reverse polarity protection? Someone told me the site says they do. I've emailed Smok about my dead M50. Probably cost me more to ship it back than a new one is worth. New Sig 100+ coming to replace it anyways, so not a biggie....
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The batteries are already built-in - and not replaceable - with the M65 plus and M80, so reverse polarity is not a factor in this case.
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I'd rather just buy a Sig 100+... oh wait I did.... non replaceable, good lord......
While the replaceable li ion batteries sit idle with its limited power ,watch the lipo models take over the world..Innokins new mvp is not replaceable either..neither were the mvp 1 and 2.0 and 20w...Some of the most reliable devices on the market are lipo powered...no user error .."ooops put the battery in wrong".
I think the price is pretty damn good for 70 bucks with 4400 mah of power and that amount of power...Sure, you can buy a mod cheaper for 40 50 60 bucks with less power but dont forget to add another 30 for a quality charger and 20 more for 2 quality batteries b4 you can even use it (this assuming a new time buyer who hasnt invested in such )...Ehhhh non replaceables dont bother me one bit...youll go through 2 sets of li ions b4 my lipo has reached its maximun number of charges b4 they start to weaken or crap out on me.
In all reality they may not be replaceable by manufacturers standards but im sure many can actually replace them if they really wanted to.
You can buy authentic 2600 mah batteries that are used in the mvp,s...they're $5.00 ...lol
I guess if you cant remove some screws and solder then spend the money for something else you have to take the batteries out to charge.
I plan to own a sigelei 30w mini and the new mvp 30 w...and liking this smok as well.
I think the price is pretty damn good for 70 bucks with 4400 mah of power and that amount of power...Sure, you can buy a mod cheaper for 40 50 60 bucks with less power but dont forget to add another 30 for a quality charger and 20 more for 2 quality batteries b4 you can even use it (this assuming a new time buyer who hasnt invested in such )...Ehhhh non replaceables dont bother me one bit...youll go through 2 sets of li ions b4 my lipo has reached its maximun number of charges b4 they start to weaken or crap out on me.
In all reality they may not be replaceable by manufacturers standards but im sure many can actually replace them if they really wanted to.
You can buy authentic 2600 mah batteries that are used in the mvp,s...they're $5.00 ...lol
I guess if you cant remove some screws and solder then spend the money for something else you have to take the batteries out to charge.
I plan to own a sigelei 30w mini and the new mvp 30 w...and liking this smok as well.
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The M80 Plus by SMOK will feature 80 watts of unrestricted power, temperature control, passthrough, vape plan monitoring, spring loaded 510 pin, system restore and is made out of sturdy aluminum and zinc alloy. They are expected to ship after the Chinese New Year so I suspect vendors in the states will have them around mid March. I suspect that the price will be around $75 upon final release. This looks like it's going to be a very good device and for all the specs and a 4400 built in battery etc., it's a bargain. For anyone not having a need for over 50 watts I would suggest the iStick but if you vape between 50-80 watts I would go with the M80 Plus. Both are a great deal. I don't do pre-orders personally, but if anyone is interested in ordering one here's the link http://www.vapercompany.com/SMOK-Xpro-M80-plus-p/a14m80plus.htm
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This mod lost all relevance with the non replaceable batteries. It was nice when it was a single battery replaceable. Small, did 50 watts. Now it's almost the size of my Sig 100w. I'm so glad I just bought a Sig 100+ to add to my collection. 2 batteries, runs for 2 days, can fire to 100 watts if I need, which I don't. I won't miss my dead M50.
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There is a huge global market for people that prefer not to have to deal with purchasing chargers, investing in batteries and carrying replacements on the go. Many others simply don't want or need extremely high powered devices that they will never use. I think for the price and all the features the M80 Plus is a very good mod. 4400 mAh will last several days on a single charge and nothing else to worry about. Everyone has different needs but I think most people will really enjoy the M80 Plus for the power, price and convenience.