WTF is up with these rogue cops??

Browncoat · Apr 13, 2015

Cops are a mixed bag in my experience. For many of them in my area, a badge is a license to be a bully and an asshole. The bigger their cop mustache, the more of a prick they are. Many of them were jock/bully types in high school, or guys who couldn't cut it in the military. That being said, I think it takes an asshole to deal with assholes. Cops mostly deal with people breaking the law, and I think many of them are unable to dial back the testosterone when dealing with "normal" people. Personally, I would rather have the cops patrolling my streets be pricks than nice guys, but that's just me.

On the other hand, I've met some very cool cops. Some of them really do adhere to a "serve and protect" mentality, and if you ask them, they don't like bully cops either. We don't really have a lot of crime where I live, and certainly not violent crime. There's no need to pretend like it's anything other than a job.

I won't air my opinion on some of the national news in recent memory. I do think that cops should have to wear button cams because it would help squash some of their behavior.

CDZVaper · Apr 13, 2015

All the cops have to do or say is the person they are harassing was suspicious. I was once deemed a suspicious person for walking down the street in the late evening. After a few minutes of arguing with him, I asked in front of the other now arriving officers, What makes me so suspicious amongst everyone else walking around? The cop paused, looked me up and down and said, wallet chain. I literally laughed in his face, the other officers all put their heads down with embarassment. I was finally let go after talking with another officer who, by the way, treated me like a fellow human being.
I had another run in with the same officer several years later. He didnt remember me. He was arresting a freind of mine and while I was walking passed asked said freind if he wanted me to call anyone for him. The cop stopped what he was doing, came over to me, demanded my ID, ran my name, and frisked me, all the while telling me about how he has to deal with drug addicts and run aways etc... So in other words officer, you cant handle your job mentally, so you take it out on others, gotcha.

I have very little faith that anything will get better with the way the police in the US operate. It will only get worse. Way to much corruption and over inflated egos.

ej1024 · Apr 13, 2015

If the cop says
STEP OUT OF THE CAR
PUT UR HANDS UP
WALK BACKWARDS WITH UR HANDS UP
STOP!!
just do it!!
If the BLACK GUY didn't slapped the officers hand then ran,the shooting could've been prevented!
I know its fucking wrong to shoot someone especially n the back,but the initial action of the victim cause his life..if he just fixed his tail light none of this shit happen...
The guy in Ferguson, his initial action was to fight with the cop, and that cause his life, another guy in same state attack two cops with the knife, again the victims initial action cause his life.... All I'm saying is there's police brutality I get that!! And there are provokers!! As black man I try to do the right thing, I don't drive with loud music,I don't speed, I keep my car simple, I dress appropriately I don't have a lot of tatoos, I don't even look at cops, its Sad that police are prejudice,they are professional profilers, cops are always in the edge, there lives at risk everytime they go to work,its a very stressful job....and the MEDIA oh my WOW they love it when cops kill and beat people they love it when they see people on the streets protesting they love it when they can show people looting and burning cars, they love all that shit....they feed America with hate especially the poor in different parts of the country...IMO
BIGBOYVAPER

freemind · Apr 13, 2015

Doesn't it speak volumes, when the police need to wear body cams, so the citizens have protection from over zealous (even psychopath) cops?

I say, this has come about because of the thin blue line, not because the cops are just being attacked by the citizenry. (Even though I know it happens).

It isn't a "all cops are bad" thing. Some are very good people and very good officer. But there is more than "one or two" that are psychopaths. There are more than a few that will lie, or do what they feel is necessary (even if it's illegal or wrong) to get their way.

I see far too many cops on a DAILY basis, that are texting or having a phone conversation, driving down the road. If it's LAW, no one should be above it.

vaperature · Apr 13, 2015

Browncoat · Apr 13, 2015

CDZVaper · Apr 13, 2015

vaperature said:

Holy crap that was wild!! Any info about where that was from or what happened?

ej1024 · Apr 13, 2015

CDZVaper said:
Holy crap that was wild!! Any info about where that was from or what happened?

It that was a black family that could've been a different story, have you guys noticed how patient the cops are?? WOW! the cops probably shot everybody!

freemind · Apr 13, 2015

ej1024 said:
It that was a black family that could've been a different story, have you guys noticed how patient the cops are?? WOW! the cops probably shot everybody!

Why do you keep injecting race into this discussion?

Dude, I have no respect for race baiters. It shouldn't matter if they are white, black, brown, or red.

efektt · Apr 13, 2015

freemind said:
Why do you keep injecting race into this discussion?

Dude, I have no respect for race baiters. It shouldn't matter if they are white, black, brown, or red.

Lol, look at statistics. Race is a factor.

Zamazam · Apr 13, 2015

UncleRJ said:
Just like any other profession, you find a few jerks in the mix.

And now with the introduction of mandatory mobile body cams for the police, I believe that the officers wearing them will be forced to be on their best behaviour and top of their professional game when dealing with the public and how they deal with offenders.

And also, when these "Innocent" young men who have never committed a crime in their life are shot while committing a crime or attacking an officer that is performing his or her duty, we will have a recorded record of the actual events and not just rumors of what may or may not have happened and will prevent the usual rabble rousers from fanning the flames and promoting civil unrest as there is an actual record of the event and no room for rumor or speculation.

And by the way, IMHO, we need to get some body cam's on clergy members as well.

The issue with body cams tends to be inflamed when the cops can choose when to turn them on and off. Body cams are a great concept for keeping unwarranted accusations against the police, but the opposite edge of the sword is that they will not stop extremely violent officers from committing violent acts, IF the officers can simply switch them off at will.

Time · Apr 13, 2015

efektt said:
Lol, look at statistics. Race is a factor.

I disagree. Statistics have limits. For instance, when I drive my old little beat up farm pickup, I get pulled over all the time mostly under false claims of speeding, tail light out or something else equally stupid. When I drive my new(ish) good looking truck, I've never peen pulled over once. Cops profile low income people. There are simply more low income folks driving older vehicles that are of the darker skin color so the low income profiling effects them more. It inflates those statistics.

I'm a middle aged white dude. But that didn't matter. They pulled my wife over constantly in the same old farm pickup too. She has also never been pulled over in the newer truck. Middle age white woman that drives like an old lady.

efektt · Apr 13, 2015

Time said:
I disagree. Statistics have limits. For instance, when I drive my old little beat up farm pickup, I get pulled over all the time mostly under false claims of speeding, tail light out or something else equally stupid. When I drive my new(ish) good looking truck, I've never peen pulled over once. Cops profile low income people. There are simply more low income folks driving older vehicles that are of the darker skin color so the low income profiling effects them more. It inflates those statistics.

Of black people killed by police around 50% of them are unarmed. Of white people killed by police around 15% of them are unarmed. How is this statisic inflated?

Time · Apr 13, 2015

efektt said:
Of black people killed by police around 50% of them are unarmed. Of white people killed by police around 15% of them are unarmed. How is this statisic inflated?

I'd have to see the statistic. If I heard or remember correctly that was a limited statistic on teens only.

efektt · Apr 13, 2015

Time said:
I'd have to see the statistic. If I heard or remember correctly that was a limited statistic on teens only.

Not sure if thats true, but if it is, why would it matter?

UncleRJ · Apr 13, 2015

Zamazam said:
The issue with body cams tends to be inflamed when the cops can choose when to turn them on and off. Body cams are a great concept for keeping unwarranted accusations against the police, but the opposite edge of the sword is that they will not stop extremely violent officers from committing violent acts, IF the officers can simply switch them off at will.

I agree totally. But there need to be a system in place where the cops CANNOT turn them off while on duty.

Time · Apr 13, 2015

efektt said:
Not sure if thats true, but if it is, why would it matter?

Because it is limited. It is not a statistic of all police shootings. It could turn out that the statistic for adults is just the opposite. For instance, I know of no teens being shot by police locally but I know of two unarmed white adults being shot locally. They are not included in the statistic.

It may turn out that the statistic holds up but without full statistics, and there are none, limited statistics can be misleading.

Most of us up here in white america(not allot of minorities) know that our cops are bullies. It's the cops themselves being pieces of shit to anybody. We definately don't see police abuse problems being restricted to blacks. Not when us white folks reap their attention.

vaperature · Apr 13, 2015

ej1024 said:
It that was a black family that could've been a different story, have you guys noticed how patient the cops are?? WOW! the cops probably shot everybody!

If it had been a black family there would have been no survivors.

Zamazam · Apr 13, 2015

vaperature said:
If it had been a black family there would have been no survivors.

C'mon now! Really? Why Vaperature? We all know the realities of the world we live in, but that's a blanket statement.

5150sick · Apr 13, 2015

I know for a fact that Baltimore City does not report all of their homicides.
I was rolling down Madison St. in East Baltimore back in 2004.
I heard at least 10 shots fired and when I got to the intersection of Madison St & North Rose St. I damn near ran over 2 dudes (murders) running from the scene.
I looked to the left up the block and there was a guy lying dead in the street.
There is no way possible he wasn't dead because I clearly saw that almost half of the top of his head was gone.
I also saw 5 separate rivers of blood running off of him and they were almost to were my car was already.
This was only about 10 to 15 seconds after he was hit.
I never read anything about in any of the papers or heard anything about it on the 4 news networks.
The police were right there (killers long gone of course) but I have a feeling they only report the ones that the news crews find out about.
That keeps Baltimore down the list in the top 5 deadliest Cities in the United States.

Browncoat · Apr 14, 2015

Probably Ray Lewis.

Warhawk-AVG · Apr 14, 2015

Always 10%~ that screw it up for the rest of the good ones...

SAMSUNG say whaaaaaat?

Cloudboss · Apr 14, 2015

I live in an area with a high crime rate. Police harassment is something we just have to live with. The car I drive is a beater and I get followed and pulled over for no reason all the time. I have noticed that being a smart ass the the cop will only make the situation worse. There is nothing one person can do to stop it, I am hoping that the use of cameras on police officers will help the situation

Warhawk-AVG · Apr 14, 2015

CDZVaper said:
Holy crap that was wild!! Any info about where that was from or what happened?

Mormon music group living in van... snapped, got into huge squabble cops stepped in, got tangled up with em, someone took cops gun, fired, got lit up for it....

SAMSUNG say whaaaaaat?

5150sick · Apr 14, 2015

If a cop so much as pulls behind me I make the first right humanly possible.
Even if it's in to a driveway of a person I don't know.

When I was 19 or 20 I had a Chrysler Lebaron with 2 15' JL audios and a linear power 800 watt mono amp.
The first time I turned it up my review mirror fell off.

I also made a white Wu-Tang Clan sticker that almost took up the whole hatchback window.
I got pulled over at least 2 or 3 times a week.

I had a cop get behind me and I threw on the right turn signal like always and pulled up into somebody's driveway.
The cop turned in behind me and hit the lights and siren.

He came up to the car and as always I kept my license and registration in the ash tray so that way it is out the window before he even gets up to it.
Digging around for an ID or registration card just gives a cop an opportunity to search the vehicle with his eyes.

He asked me "Do you live here?" I said "no" he asked me "Do you know some one who does live here?" once again "no"
So of course his next question was "then why did you pull into this driveway?"

My answer:
You were just going to follow me until i made a minor mistake so you could pull me over and search my car.
Now you are up here, we are talking and you have nothing you can write me a ticket or warning for.
So what's next?

He turned around, got back into his car and pulled off without saying another word.

It felt wonderful.
I'm sure as hell glad he didn't search the car because I didn't want another "possession of MJ" on my record.

5150sick · Apr 14, 2015

V4P3R eMAG said:
Probably Ray Lewis.

No, That's when he goes to Atlanta remember?

Time · Apr 14, 2015

I'm old and polite now but when I get pulled over I usually attract a party of badges and flashing lights. For some reason, they take it personal when I exercise my right to remain silent. I give 'em my info. License, registration, insurance. Tell em my name, address and stuff on the info. I just don't answer the 20 questions game. Where are you going? Where are you coming from? Have you been drinking? None of that. At first I just ignore the questions. When they get pushy I just say sorry, I don't answer questions. The conversation goes in different directions after that. Apparently, they don't have any canned responses for someone that just doesn't have anything to say. Sometimes they say, "That makes me think you have something to hide." Sometimes they tell me they are perfectly legal question. I agree. They are perfectly legal questions, and I legally don't have to answer them. 50% of the time, back up shows up. But I'm nice. I get out if asked. They look at my eyeballs. They ask more questions that I don't answer. They let me go. They rarely give me a ticket. They never ask to search the raggedy old truck even though that's why they pulled me over. I guess they know I'll just say no. I really don't have anything better to do than waste their time and it's fun. Allot of them get all red faced mad. *shrug*

Smoky Blue · Apr 14, 2015

It's weird.. my van.. looks like it's been thru a derby.. front grill is missing, and all sorts of dents and slashes in the body..
but i have never gotten pulled over in it.. think i might have had 2 speeding tickets in my life..

looking at the news.. it gets scary out there..

now that i have my new car, well same thing.. I just blend right in.. kinda funny how that works..

5150sick · Apr 14, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
It's weird.. my van.. looks like it's been thru a derby.. front grill is missing, and all sorts of dents and slashes in the body..
but i have never gotten pulled over in it.. think i might have had 2 speeding tickets in my life..

looking at the news.. it gets scary out there..

now that i have my new car, well same thing.. I just blend right in.. kinda funny how that works..

I'n a van you look like a carpet or hardwood installer on his/her way to work.
I have a lot of friends up north in that business and the cops never pull them over in their vans.

Smoky Blue · Apr 14, 2015

5150sick said:
I'n a van you look like a carpet or hardwood installer on his/her way to work.
I have a lot of friends up north in that business and the cops never pull them over in their vans.

think I went around for 6 months, missing my back right turn signal.. I kept forgetting to fix it..

5150sick · Apr 14, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
think I went around for 6 months, missing my back right turn signal.. I kept forgetting to fix it..

Most of the carpet guys I know aren't the most law abiding of citizens either

Zamazam · Apr 14, 2015

Smoky Blue said:
It's weird.. my van.. looks like it's been thru a derby.. front grill is missing, and all sorts of dents and slashes in the body..
but i have never gotten pulled over in it.. think i might have had 2 speeding tickets in my life..

looking at the news.. it gets scary out there..

now that i have my new car, well same thing.. I just blend right in.. kinda funny how that works..

What's strange is that I used to own a Charger with a supercharger when I was younger. Never got pulled over. Not once. When I bought a Suburban, I was pulled over 5 times in a year, 1 Ticket for making a right on red with a no right on red sign present.

Smoky Blue · Apr 14, 2015

Zamazam said:
What's strange is that I used to own a Charger with a supercharger when I was younger. Never got pulled over. Not once. When I bought a Suburban, I was pulled over 5 times in a year, 1 Ticket for making a right on red with a no right on red sign present.

hmm no sign, means it is ok, right?? and that is like way wow..

pcrdude · Apr 14, 2015

Obviously, there are incidents of police shooting people where they are completely in the wrong. I am not defending that. But it is interesting to see evidence of how dangerous those jobs are.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ths-escalate-led-by-56-rise-in-gun-fatalities

Just some food for thought.

Robert B · Apr 14, 2015

The cops in my town are very cool. They all conduct themselves professionally and know where their paycheck comes from. I've met and talked to the Chief of Police a few times, and he's a really nice guy, fair and honest. It must be the trickle down effect to the street officer's. I can tell you one thing though, the police and city attorney have zero tolerance for the hard drug dealer's.

CDZVaper · Apr 14, 2015

Warhawk-AVG said:
Mormon music group living in van... snapped, got into huge squabble cops stepped in, got tangled up with em, someone took cops gun, fired, got lit up for it....

SAMSUNG say whaaaaaat?

Those Mormons fought like Warriors from the ancient homeland of America. Get tazed, stand up, get Billy Clubbed stand up again, get punched with fist go down then stand up again...tough SOB's...

efektt · Apr 14, 2015

CDZVaper said:
Those Mormons fought like Warriors from the ancient homeland of America. Get tazed, stand up, get Billy Clubbed stand up again, get punched with fist go down then stand up again...tough SOB's...

Get shot, stay down.

freemind · Apr 14, 2015

pcrdude said:
Obviously, there are incidents of police shooting people where they are completely in the wrong. I am not defending that. But it is interesting to see evidence of how dangerous those jobs are.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ths-escalate-led-by-56-rise-in-gun-fatalities

Just some food for thought.

This year, 49 of the 126 deaths, or more than one-third, came in traffic accidents. Twenty-four more were from job-related illnesses such as heart attacks while performing their duties, according to data from the Washington-based memorial fund,

Yeah... Real EPIDEMIC with cops getting shot everywhere...... HALF of those dying "in the line of duty", were not shot.

pcrdude · Apr 14, 2015

freemind said:
This year, 49 of the 126 deaths, or more than one-third, came in traffic accidents. Twenty-four more were from job-related illnesses such as heart attacks while performing their duties, according to data from the Washington-based memorial fund,

Yeah... Real EPIDEMIC with cops getting shot everywhere...... HALF of those dying "in the line of duty", were not shot.

Maybe there are other lines of work where on might expect this:

Quote:
More than half of the 114 deaths were due to some form of assault and were non-accidental. They include two police officers who died as a result of assault, 46 killed by gunfire, including NYPD Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu; and 10 killed in vehicular assaults, which totals to 58 of the 114, or 50.87 percent.

Source:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/114-police-killed-duty-2014-46-were-shot-death

We ask them to protect us, and they need to protect themselves.

Again, there are OBVIOUSLY some bad cops who do terrible crimes. But it is a pretty dangerous job.

vaperature · Apr 14, 2015

Now lets see the statistics on how many people were killed BY police.

kingworm · Apr 14, 2015

vaperature said:
Now lets see the statistics on how many people were killed BY police.

that statistic would be waaaay off. there are a small percentage of police compared to the general public. lets say .001% of police were killed by violence while on duty the same .001% of civilians killed assuming the population of america at a even 300 million is 3000 people killed by police by non accidental means .

kingworm · Apr 14, 2015

by the way i googled it and 607 were killed by police in 2012 while there were
133 police deaths that year so its still way in favor of the citizen

Time · Apr 14, 2015

kingworm said:
that statistic would be waaaay off. there are a small percentage of police compared to the general public. lets say .001% of police were killed by violence while on duty the same .001% of civilians killed assuming the population of america at a even 300 million is 3000 people killed by police by non accidental means .

kingworm said:
by the way i googled it and 607 were killed by police in 2012 while there were
133 police deaths that year so its still way in favor of the citizen

Taken from the Cato Institute, last tracked 2010. Quoted text in red. Link below.

While the rate of police officers officially charged with murder is only 1.06% higher than the current general population murder rate, if excessive force complaints involving fatalities were prosecuted as murder the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%.

http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/

kingworm · Apr 14, 2015

Time said:
Taken from the Cato Institute, last tracked 2010. Quoted text in red. Link below.

While the rate of police officers officially charged with murder is only 1.06% higher than the current general population murder rate, if excessive force complaints involving fatalities were prosecuted as murder the murder rate for law enforcement officers would exceed the general population murder rate by 472%.

http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/

percentage wise yes but as a police officer every call you respond to is potentially life threatening and they are in significantly more danger then lets say that guy that works at mcdonlds. its a inherently dangerous job that often times can require a split second life or death decision. doubt most people would Fair any better.

Meggers · Apr 14, 2015

Ngkon said:
I must be different but being a cop and having lived before becoming a cop has taught me the following....if a cop says stop, you stop......if a cop says stay in the car, you stay in the car.....if a cop says put your hands behind your back you put your hands behind your back....etc.
That being said the cop who shot the man running in the back is absolutely criminal. The wisest choice to me seems to listen to the cop and not resist in any way, the officer has to make a decision with the facts he is presented at that exact moment. The individual will have their day in court and the judge/jury who has an unlimited amount of time to make a decision will decide the outcome. Pleading your case while being placed in cuffs or running only increase the odds of a bad outcome.......just my .02 cents

True dat^^^^.
Honestly, and being old, I haven't really seen much of a change in law enforcement personnel. What I have seen the last few years is a change in media. Everyone has a cell phone and they record everything. And this whole "now cops are militarized"....phfffffft. In the late sixties and early seventies I was certainly hit more than once with a fire hose and tear gassed and smacked with a night stick or two during demonstrations. I don't think anything has really changed. I don't think "cops" are any better or worse than they ever were. I DO know that...when ask to do something...you should do it. I've never had a problem with that. And, as some on here who have seen me, I would certainly be a person of interest. Even recently I was pulled over on my motorcycle. The first thing I did? Before he even walked up to me I said that I was armed. I let them know. I've only had one time in my life that a "cop" got out of line and that was when I was 22 years old and just back from overseas. And HE...got in big trouble. AND...it was his word against mine. Nooooo...officers are not any worse or better then they were 50 years ago. Actually...I DO find they are overly polite now as they used to kind of bark at you.

Time · Apr 14, 2015

kingworm said:
percentage wise yes but as a police officer every call you respond to is potentially life threatening and they are in significantly more danger then lets say that guy that works at mcdonlds. its a inherently dangerous job that often times can require a split second life or death decision. doubt most people would Fair any better.

You moved the goal posts on me.

I showed the only statistic that I know of and you switched to an excuse.

Anyway, police knew the job was dangerous when they took it. That does not excuse brutality or murder. They are not above the law. If they can't handle the pressure, maybe they should be working at McDonalds and the guy flipping fries should be a cop. I certainly wouldn't hire a person that is afraid of dogs to work as animal control. They'd shoot more dogs than they rounded up.

kingworm · Apr 14, 2015

Time said:
You moved the goal posts on me.

I showed the only statistic that I know of and you switched to an excuse.

Anyway, police knew the job was dangerous when they took it. That does not excuse brutality or murder. They are not above the law. If they can't handle the pressure, maybe they should be working at McDonalds and the guy flipping fries should be a cop. I certainly wouldn't hire a person that is afraid of dogs to work as animal control. They'd shoot more dogs than they rounded up.

lol i had some numbers to back it up but i am so bad at math i decided to redo a coil instead. point is that there are some idiot cops but the number of idiot politicians and news reporters is 100%. if you dont want to be shot by a cop dont run or punch them. i have never run or punched a cop and have not in my whole life been shot by one. the system works!

Time · Apr 14, 2015

kingworm said:
lol i had some numbers to back it up but i am so bad at math i decided to redo a coil instead. point is that there are some idiot cops but the number of idiot politicians and news reporters is 100%. if you dont want to be shot by a cop dont run or punch them. i have never run or punched a cop and have not in my whole life been shot by one. the system works!

Ah. It's the messengers fault? The media didn't make those video's they show. The cops did.

That's like blaming the internet for the sex tape Paris Hilton made.

Sometimes the system works. Two cops are now charged with homicide. Hopefully, with more video, more will go to the chopping block.

kingworm · Apr 14, 2015

i do blame the internet for paris hilton. and kim kardashian and snooki and justin beiber . thats someone a cop needs to go ahead and shoot already

RMarcusY · Apr 14, 2015

73 year old retired cop, reserve officer shot his gun,and killed a guy because he thought he was using his tazer. Didn't know the difference?????????????????????????

WTF is up with these rogue cops??

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