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I used to own an SVD1 a long time ago, it was nice an unique.

Since then i haven't seen Innokin make anything interesting or ahead of it's time, in fact quite the opposite.

The SVD2 is nothing to write home about.

By the time everyone switched to either DNA40 or to more powerful box mods, Innokin decided to make their flagship box mod 30W.
Yes it's built like a tank but I don't expect my mods to last 10 years since they become obsolete relatively fast, but the MPV was obsolete since before it was made and it's still more expensive then the superior competition.

Innokin was one of the last Chinese manufacturers to get into the sub ohm tank war, they had all the time in the world to design a superior tank, but still they managed to make the worst one of them all, with poorly designed heads that don't keep up and polycarbonate body (PC body seriously!?)
It's like they didn't want to be bothered with making a good one so they made a cheep (ass) one instead.


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The MVP is still a very popular device especially for new vapers.

I would not count out Innokin quite yet as I would imagine at some point they will come out with something more advanced so they can compete in todays market.
 

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I was gonna say @UncleRJ the MVP is a great intro device for new vapers. I think that is really who they market to. Their new subtank is a prime example. The thing is about as basic as you get without having an RTA section.
 

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With all due respect , they buy Innokin because they do not feel the same way as you . I know some one who runs a vape shop and she can use anything, but loves her mvp3. None of there items are way over priced ,and they work . As far as "obsolete " , that depends on how you define that term . Lots of folks don't need the latest and greatest . Many people ,like me , vape not to smoke ,period . I have a provari and an mvp3 , because they work for me and 6 months down the road when I press that button , it will work just like it did on it's first day . If someone wants to vape at .01 ohms and buys the newest device , great for them ,to each his or her own . As far as many dna 30 or 40 units ,they are far from perfect . By the way , I have been vaping for almost 3 years ,and I buy only what I like .
 

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I like it when people start with "with all due respect" which usually means "with no respect at all";)
It's obvious that people that don't feel the same way as me are the ones buying the MPV and that's fine, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

Let's take the IStick 50 for example, it's more powerful, goes lower, has higher battery capacity, looks better (subjective), feels better in the hand, is reliable and is cheeper.

No one said anything about 0.1 no need to take it to the extremes.


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When I said with all due respect , that is what I meant . The istick , if you like it great ,but does it have real step down(pwm) ? Does everyone need 50 watts ?Dependable ,time will tell. To me , you get what you pay for , not to take anything away from it . Have a great day .
 
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Innokin is a Chinese company too and is not fault proof.
They had their share of defects and bugs.
There was defect in many of their devices showing low res but still firing, inaccurate ohm reading in some, my SVD's 510 connector got detached from the tube after a short while (glued it back and kept loving it).
So is Innokin more reliable then Kanger, Sigelei, Eleaf, P4Y, etc..? I'm not sure.


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Don't mind the k box got lots mods but like the feel in my hand,each to there own


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I still have original mvp sitting in a box. I think i have mvp2 also not sure but for sure i think innokin is a solid company with real nice products. The vast majority of vapers are not into powerful 20w+ devices or rtas or any of that jazz. In fact id say the vast majority use low tech more inexpensive mods simply as a smoking cessation. Ive no research to back me up i figured this when i sit in a vape shop and 9 out of the 10 walkins are people with problems on their egos. Mvp battery lasted me forever thats what i liked about it. Never used an innokin atty though.
 

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I used an SVD, still have it.
IT was a nice step after using the cheap eGo batteries when I wanted something more powerful but wasn't yet ready for RDAs.

Probably why others use them as well. An upgrade to the eGos to use larger tanks and larger batteries.
People might also use them simply due to not knowing about other stuff. Same reason that people will buy something in the store for sometimes double the price that it can be purchased online. They simply don't know and it is why many businesses stay in business.
 

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The Internet allows me to be a relatively informed vaper. I've also moved into rebuilding and diy juice. As such, Innokin currently has zero products I would consider buying. The MVP2 was my first mod. It served me well and I have nothing against Innokin, they just haven't kept up with my vaping progression and other companies have. If they do catch up with the advanced market, it wouldn't surprise me if they do it with really nice offerings. I guess we'll see.
 

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Innokin products served me well in the past when I started out, the iclear16 was the tank that officially got me off the smokes. Looking back though, I remember Innokin was pretty well known for always coming out with exciting and new innovative stuff. But recently, they have fallen a bit flat it seems, I think their original engineers must have moved on to work for other companies or some other industry.
 

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I've been vaping over 2 years, and not long ago bought a MVP3, due to the large inbuilt battery and how durable the MVP's are, this is my work mod and wanted something I knew would last a 10 hour shift without having to worry about charging and knew it would take a bit of bashing around.

It goes up to 30watts and I use at 23watts with a subtank, didn't think twice about having one for work.
 

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your partially correct about new vapers getting an innokin. while i'm not a new vaper, i been vaping on egos for a long time and finally switched to my first box mod. which is the mvp 3. i liked it because it looks sleek and has great build quality. compared to something like a istick, the istick looks cheap. thought about the kanger kbox but it was limited in features. i don't know about all those ohms and rebuildable stuff. i just want to put the juice in a tank and vape away. dont want any leaks, dont want any juice in my mouth and the mvp 3 does that for me. i recommended it to a friend and he bought one too because he likes having the phone charging functionality. that along with simplicity and no leaking, etc.
 

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Innokin products served me well in the past when I started out, the iclear16 was the tank that officially got me off the smokes. Looking back though, I remember Innokin was pretty well known for always coming out with exciting and new innovative stuff. But recently, they have fallen a bit flat it seems, I think their original engineers must have moved on to work for other companies or some other industry.
You are correct, the designer who came up with the MVP, SVD, 134, Grenade mod moved on.
 

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Innokin is still in business because the vaping demographic goes way beyond this forum. Basic mods are the norm not the exception.

I have, and exclusively use, the MVP2. I don't drip nor sub-ohm. So, when I left my MVP on the hood of my truck while loading hay and my wife drove off with it, I considered buying another to replace it. But, I found it down the road at the first stop sign, ran over with the nautilus on it shattered in many pieces. Scratched and a bit squished, it still works. It's in my hand right now with a new nautilus. I did decide to buy a backup though. The MVP 20W. I don't need the 20 watts but the flush 510 connection and lower price than a MVP2 kit(I really don't need another iClear30) made it the perfect replacement if/when my MVP2 finally dies.

I understand the drive for the bells/whistles/looks/high watts from the hobbyists on the forum and elsewhere. But demographics of the average vaper keep Innoken in business, IMO.
 
I've been at this for three years, and still keep my three MPVs topped with Protank 2s @ 9 watts filled with 12mg juice...right next to my iSticks and Subtanks. Maybe they aren't sexy anymore, but they always work, the coils cost less than a dollar each, and they keep me off the stinkies which is what this is all about after all.

There's only so much bullshit I am willing to put up with with leaky/burnt Subtank OCCs, buggy DNA40 mods, and twisting up my own coils. Sometimes I just need some fucking nicotine without hassle, like the good old days with my Winstons and trusty Zippo (who I miss oh so much)
 

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When I was ready to move past tne ego twist the svd2 was just coming out. I was still a "newbie" and in my mind I felt more comfortable knowing it had the evolv board in it. I based this on all the reading I had done up to that point. I still have it and have bought several mechanical mods among other mods etc.... But I still enjoy my svd 2 and works flawlessly
 

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I'm fairly new to vaping and I'm just looking at a MVP3 as a second set up. It seems to have everything I'll need. It got me hooked with being able to use it whilst charging... oO

I'm guessing the choice in Australia is a bit light on compared to the USA though.
 

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I still use my Innokin iTaste VV v3 with its square iClear 10b clearos and its square pen cap. In fact, I have two of them. They look like ordinary pens when not in use, and they vape good. I haven't seen anything remotely as good as far as practicality and discretion are concerned.

I hear they have a new version of this model out, and I'm tempted to buy one.
 
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Innokin is still in business because the vaping demographic goes way beyond this forum. Basic mods are the norm not the exception.

I have, and exclusively use, the MVP2. I don't drip nor sub-ohm. So, when I left my MVP on the hood of my truck while loading hay and my wife drove off with it, I considered buying another to replace it. But, I found it down the road at the first stop sign, ran over with the nautilus on it shattered in many pieces. Scratched and a bit squished, it still works. It's in my hand right now with a new nautilus. I did decide to buy a backup though. The MVP 20W. I don't need the 20 watts but the flush 510 connection and lower price than a MVP2 kit(I really don't need another iClear30) made it the perfect replacement if/when my MVP2 finally dies.

I understand the drive for the bells/whistles/looks/high watts from the hobbyists on the forum and elsewhere. But demographics of the average vaper keep Innoken in business, IMO.
I'm with u on that. My mvp2 was a pif, has a HUGE gash in the side. Silicon sleeve for less than $10, things vapes like a champ and I have no clue how old it is. Only reason I don't use it so much anymore is I like a little more power, like 13 watts instead of 11. Gets way better battery life than my 20w istick tho. MVP 20watt may be in my future, they're fairly cheap now. But I just bought a $20 vamo and we'll see how that holds up first.
 

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If i was a new vaper, I'd still gladly take my old MVP2 over the cheap $40 wannabe egos that are popping up at every Circle K/7-11 and gas stations. The only reason I 'moved on' was cause my Kayfun 4s needed a couple more watts than the MVP2 could put out. I waited for the 30w, but after using my Vamo v7 in the meantime, the only thing that turned me off was the built in battery. Granted my MVP2 still works perfect, but eventually it'll be a paperweight when the battery goes..
 

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I've ordered mine now. Innokin iTaste MVP 3.0 30W.
I plan on it being my 'at home' vaping apparatus. :cool:
 

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I do know theyve had one quality glitch in the past. Friend gave me a cool fire 1, fire button doesn't act right. Turns out its a known issue with that switch. I'd be interested in a cool fire 4 probably, seriously considering an mvp 20 w right now tho.
 

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With all due respect , they buy Innokin because they do not feel the same way as you . I know some one who runs a vape shop and she can use anything, but loves her mvp3. None of there items are way over priced ,and they work . As far as "obsolete " , that depends on how you define that term . Lots of folks don't need the latest and greatest . Many people ,like me , vape not to smoke ,period . I have a provari and an mvp3 , because they work for me and 6 months down the road when I press that button , it will work just like it did on it's first day . If someone wants to vape at .01 ohms and buys the newest device , great for them ,to each his or her own . As far as many dna 30 or 40 units ,they are far from perfect . By the way , I have been vaping for almost 3 years ,and I buy only what I like .

That is a great point, "Obsolete" to one is not the same to everyone. I mean hell, look at how quick iStick went to 50W... What was it like 2-3 months? Atlantis to Atlantis V2 1-2 months? Crazy.

MVP 2.0 is still a contender, just not for people that keep up with the products coming out or that are avid vapers.
 

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Innokin products are still perfect for people, like myself, who are happy vaping at 1.0 ohm and above. I have vaped for 1.5 years, make all my own coils, make my own juice and I vape about 15ml per day. I check out all of the new products. Had a Sig 100 for a bit but gave it to my son. Waste of time for me. If you do not sub-ohm, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 20-30 watt device. I tried sub-ohming and did not see the point. I don't need to have huge clouds. I just need to keep from smoking cigs. Not sure why people like you have to look down on the average vaper. Sub-ohming and devices with high wattage do not make you cool or something special. Grow up.
 

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Innokin products are still perfect for people, like myself, who are happy vaping at 1.0 ohm and above. I have vaped for 1.5 years, make all my own coils, make my own juice and I vape about 15ml per day. I check out all of the new products. Had a Sig 100 for a bit but gave it to my son. Waste of time for me. If you do not sub-ohm, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 20-30 watt device. I tried sub-ohming and did not see the point. I don't need to have huge clouds. I just need to keep from smoking cigs. Not sure why people like you have to look down on the average vaper. Sub-ohming and devices with high wattage do not make you cool or something special. Grow up.
Exactly. Innokin has rock solid products. I can't even recall how much abuse my MVP has taken and STILL works like new. I'd be using a pair of MVP3s if that whole replaceable battery issue wasn't there. I love my 2 Sigelei Minis but if this MVP Pro has what I want I'll be adding a couple to my arsenal..
 

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I've been vaping 3 years. I have turned at least 10 people onto vaping. The MVP is my suggested mod for beginners. No hassle, works every time. I remember the concerns I had when I first started vaping. They can move on after they get off the cigarettes.
 

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My point was that you don't have to move on. You don't have to be a newbie. Most people vape in the 15-20 watt range anyway. I tried all of the other stuff but I keep coming back to Innokin products. They are rock solid and work for a long time without any issues. Can't say that about most products. I am still using my VTR that I bought Jan 2014. Cut the ring off and it is good for everything 1 ohm or over.
 

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What the hell is a newbie anyway?

For me, there are three kind of vapers:

1/ First-day vapers, who've just stubbed their last cigarette and pulled their first drag on an e-cigarette. Those are newbies perhaps...

2/ Ex-smokers: that's anybody who uses whatever vape gear keeps them off cigarettes, but doesn't really care about what they use so long as it works. Those "utilitarian vapers" are the vast majority of users, and they usually don't patronize vaping forums because, well, they don't care enough about vaping to bother. As far as I'm concerned, they stop being vaping newbies once they've spent more than 24 hours without smoking.

3/ Connoisseurs: that's us - those who care about vape quality and performance, and spend a lot of time finding the perfect vaping hardware and fiddling endlessly to get the perfect build. Connoisseurs are to utilitarian vapers what smokers of fine cigars are to cheap cigarette smokers. We spend time on forums to discuss vaping and share techniques. As a result, we end up being extremely knowledgeable (too knowledgeable perhaps) about all things vaping. But that don't make us more "veterans" or worthy of being listened to on the subject than utilitarian vapers. Also, we're a minority - albeit a vocal one.
 

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Oddly enough it was this thread that made me hit the 'buy now button' NOW, and I'm so glad I did.

I'm glad I got the MVP 3. it's freaking awesome in my opinion, even if it does resemble a brick and I couldn't get it in Australia in pink. ... sad pants.

I don't particularly care if I have the latest and greatest, and I'm glad I don't because there is always something better than what you have. I just want something that is rugged, holds a charge for more than a day, and is basically fool proof.This works for me and that's all I care about.

I consider myself a n(o)(o)b. I'm not derpy, but I'm not ready for anything but something with a built in battery. Batteries scare me a bit I gotta admit.
Now if only my new juice would arrive ... then I'd be in vaping heaven.
 

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I have an MVP 2 that has been thru hell and still works fine. The lights around the button no longer work and I replaced the connector it with a spring-loaded 510. But my nautilus sits on it and it stays in my jeep as a backup device.

But it got me into regulated box mods. I traded a patriot clone for it. I now have a bunch of box type type mods I got a Vaporshark 30 watt. And then a bunch of clones Including a Vaporflask, ZNA, ZNA lite, Hana and just added an ipv v2 to the mix.

All except the IPV only go to 30 watts and it is once in a blue moon I get near that. I am usually at 20. Because a Kayfun at 1 ohm and 20 watts is satisfying to me. I used to cloud chase and build really low coils and compete in local cloud comps. it was satisfying but why have to worry about saftey and batteries when what I use now satisfis me plenty.
 

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your partially correct about new vapers getting an innokin. while i'm not a new vaper, i been vaping on egos for a long time and finally switched to my first box mod. which is the mvp 3. i liked it because it looks sleek and has great build quality. compared to something like a istick, the istick looks cheap. thought about the kanger kbox but it was limited in features. i don't know about all those ohms and rebuildable stuff. i just want to put the juice in a tank and vape away. dont want any leaks, dont want any juice in my mouth and the mvp 3 does that for me. i recommended it to a friend and he bought one too because he likes having the phone charging functionality. that along with simplicity and no leaking, etc.
 

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I am looking to buy a box mod and agree with everything you said. gonna look into the mvp 2. Your post was really helpful
 

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I am looking to buy a box mod and agree with everything you said. gonna look into the mvp 2. Your post was really helpful
You should at least consider the 20w MVP. The improved connector dramatically increases the reliability of the device and the extra power is a nice bonus.
 

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You should at least consider the 20w MVP. The improved connector dramatically increases the reliability of the device and the extra power is a nice bonus.

And when I bought mine(MVP20W), it was cheaper than the MVP V2 kit if you don't need a tank.
 

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I've just ordered a MVP 20W as a spare for my spare. Lime green! :p:D:cool:
 

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Crazy how the 20w are cheaper than the mvp2 pretty much everywhere. I initially thought the menu system and design were crap, til an mvp2 arrived at my door. Its a little slow to adjust your settings but works just fine, even the fire button for me is in a decent spot. Fyi with the 20w if u find a skin wrap sleeve whatever that fits the mvp2 u like it will also fit the 20. Works great for those of us who have battle scarred mods like mine that still work, even tho there's a pretty big chunk of metal missing on one side.
 
I've been vaping 3 years. I have turned at least 10 people onto vaping. The MVP is my suggested mod for beginners. No hassle, works every time. I remember the concerns I had when I first started vaping. They can move on after they get off the cigarettes.

The MVP is just a damn solid device.

One might do a google search on the following:

IStick 50 Known Issues.

A few hours worth of reading later, search:

itaste MVP 3 Known Issues.

And, in a couple of minutes, come back and tell everyone what you think. :)
 

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I know plenty of others who say, why do you need 100 watts? Or 50, 60, 70 etc...

Innokin makes good products for the beginners to learn on. If it wasn't for products like that, alot of people wouldnt vape because of confusion over how to work a high end device.

They have fallen behind a bit but its a very competitive market. A Smaller company could explode onto the scene overnight by coming out with the "next" thing.

I think there will always be a company like Innokin, they are needed to help make products progress.
 

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I am looking to buy a box mod and agree with everything you said. gonna look into the mvp 2. Your post was really helpful
I agree with what others say. Buy the 20W instead of the MVP2. Same box but shorter because of the improved 510 connector. You can get it at VaporBeast for about $25. They have a 15% discount going on.
 

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I don't think they have a tendency to blow up, like iSticks...
 

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I got over a year and a half of trouble-free use out of a pair of MVP 2.0s. I paid one of them forward to a friend who is rough on mods and it's still kicking. Based on my experiences with the 2.0, I expect longevity and consistent performance out of the MVP 3.0 I recently bought.

I also have an istick 50, which I received right as all of the issues with them arose. It works well (so far) and I like the form factor, but I certainly don't expect it to be as durable as the MVP 3. When it decides to crap out on me, it will be replaced with either a Sigelei 50 v2 or the MVP 3.0 Pro.
 

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I used the mvp 3.0 with Atlantis at work and it gets bang around. At home I use sig150 with freemax. I got nothing against my 3.0 just wish it had higher watts. Actually going to pass it along to my bro, he has mvp 2.0 with a protank. I loved both those mods for a time. But do to my vape habits I like 60 to 65w right now. Things are built like tanks.


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I used to own an SVD1 a long time ago, it was nice an unique.

Since then i haven't seen Innokin make anything interesting or ahead of it's time, in fact quite the opposite.

The SVD2 is nothing to write home about.

By the time everyone switched to either DNA40 or to more powerful box mods, Innokin decided to make their flagship box mod 30W.
Yes it's built like a tank but I don't expect my mods to last 10 years since they become obsolete relatively fast, but the MPV was obsolete since before it was made and it's still more expensive then the superior competition.

Innokin was one of the last Chinese manufacturers to get into the sub ohm tank war, they had all the time in the world to design a superior tank, but still they managed to make the worst one of them all, with poorly designed heads that don't keep up and polycarbonate body (PC body seriously!?)
It's like they didn't want to be bothered with making a good one so they made a cheep (ass) one instead.


There are no stupid batteries, just stupid people.
Innokin's cig-a-like from wayyyy back when was one of.. the 1st things I used nearly 4 yrs ago. Personally, have never had any issue with their products & have used most of them by now. I only think quality & reliability when thinking of that brand. In fact, my original MVP, MVP2, iTaste-VV3 & that AIO cig a like.. all still charge AND work, as well as they did on day 1. Their iClear16 & 30s used to be some of my favorite tanks at the time & regardless of the liquid in 'em (sometimes for weeks & weeks before needing to change a coil) could have any/every type of liquid in them & to date, never had any crack or fogging in 1 of them from that. So idk what special magic polycarb. they use, but it's been rock solid. As for the iSub.. it's been a great one too, plastic & all. Besides, for those who aren't into that or are afraid, that's ok too... Innokin also has the iSub-G (pyrex) for that very reason. I've had no issues with their original one as far as keeping up tho. Not at all. Thing is tho, imho.. it, & the subtank series clearos (anything with the smaller circle style juice ports in the coil, seems to work better using 50/ 50 eliquids... while those with bigger rectangular ports, i.e., SMOK VCT-pro, HORIZON Arctic, etc.. perform way better when using the highest VG liquid possible; 50/50 or less vg, can tend to cause flooding, spitting & getting e-liquid coming up the airflow path quite quickly) That being said, Innokin, imho has always been known to put out quality & for the most part, well thought out products. Personally, I'd much rather have that, perhaps a little late to the party..... than to waste money possibly... being the research & development team for someone else who is willing to release whatever whether ready or not.. knowing we'll all run to buy it... As they put out version 1, mini, 2, mini, 2.5 (same as 2 but remov d/t) 3, mini, unitank, Uni-mini, Aero, mini, aero V2, mini, giant, turbo PLUS Genitank in all those configurations too.... Aero MOW. MOW mega (aka: color options of Aerotank) & finally.. Subtank. Even then.. original.. now plus. Rather than putting out the mini as the original & waiting to finish developing the 25mm to release as the plus. Think of the millions they made doing that... knowing the millions we'd spend.. probably twice! =/ Maybe Innokin just waited until (they thought) they had it right... before release theirs as a finished product with 1 or 2 options... idk. As far as batteries tho.......... at the time of your post, I'm sure you hadn't yet seen the MVP3-PRO. Even as a 4 yr vaper tho & even if I have & tend to shuffle through a variety of gear throughout the day........ I know I'll be getting one of those to use as well. Can't wait.. So, just wanted to share that their iSub tank really is quality, despite being plastic.. & does work well too, keeping VG in mind.... it's more affordable too. Maybe try again using a lower vg liquid... or pass it on to someone who would. Their MVP-3-pro will go up to 60w, firing as low as 0.2 ohms. =) LIVE LONG(er) & VAPE ON!
 

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