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I just got the following e-mail from my boss:

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I need to inform you that I have gotten some complaints about your vaporizers. One or more of our team members finds your vaporizers are offensive, associating them with drug paraphernalia. We cannot afford this getting out of the room into the ears of HR or upper management, so I would appreciate it if you can please keep them out of sight to avoid any further disturbance.

I know you meant no harm, and I understand what they are but when you have a room full of people we are bound to come across dislikes and opinions.


Thanks


Julio



What gets me is I do not vape in the room unless alone in the evenings, even then it is small mouth to lung stealth pulls, not some big RDA cloud. I go outside with the smokers to vape. I do not set some crazy collection up on my desk either, just the one vape I carry with me for work. A nautilus or nautilus mini tank on an iStick 50.

I think I just became offended by the perfume collection the lady behind me keeps at her desk, I'm allergic to most of the scents and they have bothered my sinuses for years (truth). The bobble head collection the guy sitting next to me has, they cause me PTSD (lie, but i'm going with it), and the collection of Diablo III figurines that the guy diagonal from me has. They give me nightmares, which effects my sleep, which effects my work (lie, but i'm going with it).

I have a very thick skin and usually just let shit bounce off of me, but this has me fucking livid... Sorry Mr. boss man, I will keep my vape on my desk, I charge it off the usb port from my laptop. This certainly will go outside of our room and into the ears of our department director and HR if need be.
 
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Bribe a doctor to say that you are using the antimicrobial properties of pg to cleanse the toxins from the perfume out of your lungs. Then sue them shittless for allowing you to be exposed repeatedly to the perfume.

Remember, cheap perfume uses urine to make the smell stronger. And cheap stuff from China, well, I don't trust their quality control...
 
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That well and truly sucks!

I would have complained about the lady with the perfumes long ago. I hate that horrible stench myself. But I wonder if all that stuff is there to cover up BO?

And the ignorant Asswipes that think your stuff is drug paraphernalia? Next lunch break go into your nearest headshop, purchase a bong, fill it with water and put a rose in it. See what happens when you tell them it is a flower vase and has never seen a single bud since its creation.
 
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I feel your pain. Bunch of assholes in my building that like to read the horseshit news about how vaping is just as bad if not worse than smoking cigs and love to give me a hard time about it too. Then we "randomly" get a mass email from the Government entity that owns the building that says no electronic smoking devices allowed. Thankfully I don't smoke, I vape :) And there's my loophole, I vape at my desk but not obnoxiously and haven't heard a single word about it since.
 
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Well that is their problem and very fucking telling who the degenerate druggy is.
Fuck em.
 
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SomeTexan said:
Bribe a doctor to say that you are using the antimicrobial properties of pg to cleanse the toxins from the perfume out of your lungs. Then sue them shittless for allowing you to be exposed repeatedly to the perfume.

Remember, cheap perfume uses urine to make the smell stronger. And cheap stuff from China, well, I don't trust their quality control...
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I don't think it is the perfume lady, and she does not have cheap perfumes and does not spray them in the room. Quite the contrary, she has fancy, expensive ones, I'm just allergic to about 90% of the perfume and cologne scents on the market. Nothing Zyrtec doesn't handle.

Honestly I think it is the bobble head guy. He is the only one in our room that is not man or woman enough to confront someone face to face when he has an issue. He has a history of crying to management for every little thing. This would be my first issue with him, but I have seen it in the past with the others in the room. He is terrified of confrontation and conversation to work things out like grown adults. So he runs to management like a bitchy little prison snitch.

I will defend my right to keep my vape on my desk, not using it, but I do charge it from usb and can't do that safely in my pocket.
 
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It's funny that they associate them with drug paraphernalia. Honestly, I was very surprised when I found out that vapers were being used for certain... Plant based products. I mean, I shouldn't have been. I've known potheads long enough to realize that they will figure out a way to smoke with anything. A lot of ingenuity in that bunch, you've got to give them that.

I think the problem is that head shops are now calling themselves Vape shops. Go to any big city and for every one legit B&M you find there are 2 places selling dry herb atomizers next to their water pipes and glass pieces. Vape printed on their sign but pot leaf decals decorating their windows. Tough association to break



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That well and truly sucks!

I would have complained about the lady with the perfumes long ago. I hate that horrible stench myself. But I wonder if all that stuff is there to cover up BO?

And the ignorant Asswipes that think your stuff is drug paraphernalia? Next lunch break go into your nearest headshop, purchase a bong, fill it with water and put a rose in it. See what happens when you tell them it is a flower vase and has never seen a single bud since its creation.
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If only... I work for an aerospace manufacturer who is governed by the rules of the FAA and military. I get drug tested often enough as is, I don't need the hassle of increasing the frequency. That would actually interfere with me getting work done.
 
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DickyT said:
I don't think it is the perfume lady, and she does not have cheap perfumes and does not spray them in the room. Quite the contrary, she has fancy, expensive ones, I'm just allergic to about 90% of the perfume and cologne scents on the market. Nothing Zyrtec doesn't handle.

Honestly I think it is the bobble head guy. He is the only one in our room that is not man or woman enough to confront someone face to face when he has an issue. He has a history of crying to management for every little thing. This would be my first issue with him, but I have seen it in the past with the others in the room. He is terrified of confrontation and conversation to work things out like grown adults. So he runs to management like a bitchy little prison snitch.

I will defend my right to keep my vape on my desk, not using it, but I do charge it from usb and can't do that safely in my pocket.
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Beat his ass in the parking lot. That's what I would of (and have) done. Ask him nicely, if he gets nervous, dump his lifeless body in a ditch. I hate spineless trash like that.

I've heard that Zyrtec has long term side effects. I would complain about the perfume too. Just because someone like urine on their body doesn't mean you need to be subjected to it. Musk=deer piss, and as a hunter, I've encountered it. I can't believe anyone would put it on their skin...
 
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Whoever complained is a fucktard. So, does the fact that a soda pop can can be crafted into an herbal smoking device means that soda pop cans are associated with paraphernalia? What about apples? Or the tinfoil that someone used to package their lunch? And don't forget about those drinking straws! And the paper that can be rolled into a straw shape, better ban all pieces of paper and all dollar bills!!!
 
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This is the problem with our society today, everyone has a stick so far up their butt that they think that everyone around them should bend over backwards to make them happy. Today we're surrounded by people who try to tell everyone else what you can't do to protect not themselves but people they think need to be protected. The next generation is going to be a bunch of wimps who can't take criticism or a joke without breaking down and running to mommy. What happened to telling people to suck it up? lol sorry this kind of stuff actually does piss me off.

Fortunately at work I'm lucky in that my department doesn't mind my vape. I leave it on my desk and puff on it all day, not stealth stuff either. But I know it's only a matter of time....
 
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Well that is their problem and very fucking telling who the degenerate druggy is.
Fuck em.
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No one here is, we can't be even if we wanted too. Because we are governed by the FAA and military contracts, drug tests here are a common occurrence. There is no time for cleanses or any shit like that either. The FAA lady in her little white lab coat walks up to your desk and you are tested on the spot. We all get tested twice monthly. It is random when each month, but twice monthly at a minimum. I may get tested on the first and last day of the month, during the 2nd and 4th week, or back to back days in the same week. We never know when, the daily names are spit out by a piece of software, but all know that our card will be pulled twice monthly. Even more if they have reasonable suspicions.
 
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I'd be tempted as fuck to tell boss that all drinking straws need to be removed and that all paper needs to be removed from the office, including the copier, printers, post it notes, etc., because of associating all that paper with paraphernalia, since those papers can be rolled into a tubular shape.
 
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DickyT said:
No one here is, we can't be even if we wanted too. Because we are governed by the FAA and military contracts, drug tests here are a common occurrence. There is no time for cleanses or any shit like that either. The FAA lady in her little white lab coat walks up to your desk and you are tested on the spot. We all get tested twice monthly. It is random when each month, but twice monthly at a minimum. I may get tested on the first and last day of the month, during the 2nd and 4th week, or back to back days in the same week. We never know when, but all know that our card will be pulled twice monthly. Even more if they have reasonable suspicions.
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Is your job Union? If so, most Union bylaws require that you let the union handle the problem before you go to the company. It's a brotherhood thing. If you rat out your Union brothers, you lose your job.

Of course, you could always drop an illegal substance in his drink, then report him for drug abuse. Problem solved, and the pos will get what's coming to him.
 
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DickyT said:
I just got the following e-mail from my boss:

Mr. Taylor,


I need to inform you that I have gotten some complaints about your vaporizers. One or more of our team members finds your vaporizers are offensive, associating them with drug paraphernalia. We cannot afford this getting out of the room into the ears of HR or upper management, so I would appreciate it if you can please keep them out of sight to avoid any further disturbance.

I know you meant no harm, and I understand what they are but when you have a room full of people we are bound to come across dislikes and opinions.


Thanks


Julio



What gets me is I do not vape in the room unless alone in the evenings, even then it is small mouth to lung stealth pulls, not some big RDA cloud. I go outside with the smokers to vape. I do not set some crazy collection up on my desk either, just the one vape I carry with me for work. A nautilus or nautilus mini tank on an iStick 50.

I think I just became offended by the perfume collection the lady behind me keeps at her desk, I'm allergic to most of the scents and they have bothered my sinuses for years (truth). The bobble head collection the guy sitting next to me has, they cause me PTSD (lie, but i'm going with it), and the collection of Diablo III figurines that the guy diagonal from me has. They give me nightmares, which effects my sleep, which effects my work (lie, but i'm going with it).

I have a very thick skin and usually just let shit bounce off of me, but this has me fucking livid... Sorry Mr. boss man, I will keep my vape on my desk, I charge it off the usb port from my laptop. This certainly will go outside of our room and into the ears of our department director and HR if need be.
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This is actually a very thoughtful email from your boss. Kudos to him for not overreacting.

Get one of these safe charging bags, run your usb wire into it, and problem solved.
http://www.rtdvapor.com/safe-charging-bag/

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When you get it, perhaps, show it to the suspected complainer and ask him if the little silver bag offends him in any way.

People in this world need to lighten up. Too many insecure types who turn being busy-bodies into their life's work.
 
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Is your job Union? If so, most Union bylaws require that you let the union handle the problem before you go to the company. It's a brotherhood thing. If you rat out your Union brothers, you lose your job.

Of course, you could always drop an illegal substance in his drink, then report him for drug abuse. Problem solved, and the pos will get what's coming to him.
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Nope, not union. I responded that I will not comply to this request and am more than willing to take it to HR if need be. The HR director is a former smoker vapes outside with me. She is just a little ego pen user, but is always interested in my more advanced gear. They are fighting a losing battle. I'm just pissed that it even happened.
 
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NightOwl said:
This is actually a very thoughtful email from your boss. Kudos to him for not overreacting.

Get one of these safe charging bags, run your usb wire into it, and problem solved.
http://www.rtdvapor.com/safe-charging-bag/

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When you get it, perhaps, show it to the suspected complainer and ask him if the little silver bag offends him in any way.

People in this world need to lighten up. Too many insecure types turning being busy-bodies into their life's work.
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I'm an RC hobbiest, I have several! I think I'll just get an ammo box for my desk, drill a hole in the side to run the usb cable into. Let them think I am a gun nut! Great idea!
 
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This is actually a very thoughtful email from your boss. Kudos to him for not overreacting.
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Agreed!

While it sucks that people complain the company needs to protect itself.. If they didn't someone in the office would probably go see a doctor saying they are sick because of the vape. That looser would then sue the company..

I think the letter to the OP was tasteful and heck the boss even acknowledged he / she knew what they were..

This is one of those don't kill the messenger type things..
 
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Nope, not union. I responded that I will not comply to this request and am more than willing to take it to HR if need be. The HR director is a former smoker vapes outside with me. She is just a little ego pen user, but is always interested in my more advanced gear. They are fighting a losing battle. I'm just pissed that it even happened.
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Yea, the paraphinalia accusation is slander and wrong. If that scum is going to make false accusations, go after him. You know what he drives? Fuck his shit up. His bobble heads, smash them. Same with his teeth. Did I mention that I hate whiny little bitches that hide behind management?

I worked at a motorcycle shop when I was younger and dealt with an asshole like that. He complained if you came close to cussing, but cursed like a sailor himself. I video taped a day in the shop and hired a lawyer after I got fired. I said darn 3 times that day, his list of profanity was 7 typed pages. That was the first motorcycle shop I owned. Owner didn't properly investigate and couldn't pay what I was awarded, so I ended up owning a business that had been family owned since it opened in the 50's. The liar, he is still making payments to me.
 
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raqball said:
While it sucks that people complain the company needs to protect itself.. If they didn't someone in the office would probably go see a doctor saying they are sick because of the vape. That looser would then sue the company..
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They would have no leg to stand on. I do NOT vape in the office, unless alone when I have to work a late evening. It is the vape just sitting on my desk that they complained about, an inanimate object... The actual complaint was that the sight of the device offends them.

I do agree my boss worded it well, but the request is not acceptable.
 
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DickyT said:
They would have no leg to stand on. I do NOT vape in the office, unless alone when I have to work a late evening. It is the vape just sitting on my desk that they complained about, an inanimate object... The actual complaint was that the sight of the device offends them.

I do agree my boss worded it well, but the request is not acceptable.
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You'd be surprised man... People would say the smell coming from the unit made them sick..

I'm not arguing you buddy and I agree with you but people are stupid and we do live in a litigation happy society.. The company is just trying to cover their ass...

If it were me I just find a way to hide it while charging and call it a day.. Find out who the whiner is then report them when they screw up ---> everyone makes a mistake sooner or later..

Good luck man!
 
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Agreed!

While it sucks that people complain the company needs to protect itself.. If they didn't someone in the office would probably go see a doctor saying they are sick because of the vape. That looser would then sue the company..

I think the letter to the OP was tasteful and heck the boss even acknowledged he / she knew what they were..

This is one of those don't kill the messenger type things..
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The strangest part is that the complaint isn't about the OP vaping in the office, but seeing the vaporizer being charged on his desk.

Do you get seasick from seeing all those bobbling heads every time someone walks by? I would find that so distracting.
 
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I find it funny that they say it looks like drug paraphernalia since they drug test the shit out of you guys, so to even think you are doing drugs let alone bringing drug paraphernalia to work is just fucking stupid. Or to "associate them with drug paraphenalia" or whatever. W...T...F...
 
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UncleRJ said:
That well and truly sucks!

I would have complained about the lady with the perfumes long ago. I hate that horrible stench myself. But I wonder if all that stuff is there to cover up BO?

And the ignorant Asswipes that think your stuff is drug paraphernalia? Next lunch break go into your nearest headshop, purchase a bong, fill it with water and put a rose in it. See what happens when you tell them it is a flower vase and has never seen a single bud since its creation.
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Its "indoor smokers" fault.
Love the water bong idea!!!! Gonna have to do that just for squirts and squiggles

Personally I would go get a 'playboy' jump drive and tell them that you can use that or the joyetech jump drive
 
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raqball said:
You'd be surprised man... People would say the smell coming from the unit made them sick..

I'm not arguing you buddy and I agree with you but people are stupid and we do live in a litigation happy society.. The company is just trying to cover their ass...

If it were me I just find a way to hide it while charging and call it a day.. Find out who the whiner is then report them when they screw up ---> everyone makes a mistake sooner or later..

Good luck man!
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I am. At lunch I'm headed to the nearest army surplus store and buying an ammo box, drilling a hole to route the USB cable into. I'll put it in there and let them look at the ammo box! Safer charging too!
 
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I am. At lunch I'm headed to the nearest army surplus store and buying an ammo box, drilling a hole to route the USB cable into. I'll put it in there and let them look at the ammo box! Safer charging too!
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Now they'll complain you have ammo and weapons in the office.. LOL
 
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Its "indoor smokers" fault.
Love the water bong idea!!!! Gonna have to do that just for squirts and squiggles

Personally I would go get a 'playboy' jump drive and tell them that you can use that or the joyetech jump drive
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True story. When I was in high school my mother brought home a colored glass bong from a yard sale and displayed it in the livingroom with her glass vase collection. It stayed there for years, front and center. My friends would come in and say WTF?
 
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Now they'll complain you have ammo and weapons in the office.. LOL
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Let them, we make parts for military missiles here amongst other things. Many employees have ammo boxes and non-live ammunition displayed at their desks around the building
 
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Wait..... So missiles and weapons of mass death is good. (which I agree with -big fan of the angel of death) but vaping is bad???

Maybe tell them you're working on a new chemical weapons delivery system?
 
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Wait..... So missiles and weapons of mass death is good. (which I agree with -big fan of the angel of death) but vaping is bad???

Maybe tell them you're working on a new chemical weapons delivery system?
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Awesome idea! But I just do IT for them. The guys out on the shop floor could care less about a vaporizer. Every time I go talk to my buddy who is the shop floor manager he invites me to vape in his office, because he likes the smells. It's a damn shame we all have to sit grouped with our departments
 
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Awesome idea! But I just do IT for them. The guys out on the shop floor could care less about a vaporizer. Every time I go talk to my buddy who is the shop floor manager he invites me to vape in his office, because he likes the smells. It's a damn shame we all have to sit grouped with our departments
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So they never found put about your moonlighting for the R&D department on black projects?
 
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It was definitely bobble boy. We ended up with just him and I in the room for the last 15 minutes and I called him out on it. I told him if he has an issue with something, talk to me face to face like a man. Don't go crying to management, adults deal with things between themselves and bring in higher authorities if a resolution can not be met.

He proceeded to tell me about how his sister is a junkie and how the look of my vape reminds him about the struggles his family deals with due to her addiction, and how he does not want to be around such things.

I told him that my vape has nothing to do with drugs, that it is my cigarette replacement. To which he replied "I wondered why you haven't stunk for the past 2 months"

I gave him an ultimatum when he said that. Deal with the vape sitting on my desk, or deal with the smell of cigs on me, your choice... of course it is not his choice, but he didn't need to know that.

He said he will talk to our boss and withdraw his complaint! Any sliver of respect I may have had for him, which was not much to start with, has been reduced to zero though.
 
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Glad you got the chance to set things on level with the guy, I hope it turns out good for you, I was going to caution you guys on any drug references but ya'll are being careful and I salute you all for it. Hoping for a happy ending to this for you DickyT:)
 
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Always best to talk it out before things spiral out of control. You took the high road. But how stupid of an excuse is that. What a dweeb!

My sister is an alcoholic so I don't think you should drink water at your desk. It reminds me of the vodka she chugged right from the bottle. It makes me sad and that is more important than your convenient hydration.

Just curious, but how old is bobble boy?
 
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I wondered if it had to do with person who was struggling with addiction, was secretly a heavy partier in their youth, or who had an addict in family and was transferring their angst onto you. Good on you for calling him out on it.
 
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Many people in the office don't have brains and as a result they tend to eschew the act of thinking.Although we all have little pieces of paper on our walls that tell the world how smart we are because we were able to stay awake through the University system...We tend to rely on well worn supersituions and goverment sponsored fear mogering to get us through our lives.Things that we are not familiar with cause our reptilian brains to react in lurid fantasies of fear and we associate your harmless vaping with drug addiction...we also relate crime to certain ethnicities,poor driving to a cetain sex,snow as a racist plot,and senior citizens to foul odors....in the future please leave your drug rig at home or else we will be forced to terminate your employment and demand you return your company issued tinfoil hat.
 
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Many people in the office don't have brains and as a result they tend to eschew the act of thinking.Although we all have little pieces of paper on our walls that tell the world how smart we are because we were able to stay awake through the University system...We tend to rely on well worn supersituions and goverment sponsored fear mogering to get us through our lives.Things that we are not familiar with cause our reptilian brains to react in lurid fantasies of fear and we associate your harmless vaping with drug addiction...we also relate crime to certain ethnicities,poor driving to a cetain sex,snow as a racist plot,and senior citizens to foul odors....in the future please leave your drug rig at home or else we will be forced to terminate your employment and demand you return your company issued tinfoil hat.
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Oh shit that's funny!
 
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There are lots of ignorant people out there. I've got some friends who still smoke cigs that don't trust vaping. They are almost certain that it's worse than actual smoking. That's just the way a lot of people are nowadays. They are more worried about what everyone else is doing instead of minding their damn business. If they see something they don't like, they'd rather ban it instead of turn their heads or changing the channel...or god forbid, educating themselves about it. Oh well, maybe we're the ignorant ones and we'll all die of some crazy ass vape related shit. who knows?;)
 
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LuTang said:
Oh well, maybe we're the ignorant ones and we'll all die of some crazy ass vape related shit. who knows?;)
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Lol, maybe... But my increased lung capacity, normal blood pressure, better sleep cycles, almost non existent snoring, sinuses not always plugged, and 10,000% increase in energy through out the day will take that chance!

Smoking would have certainly killed me. I could feel my energy drain after a cig.
 
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If only... I work for an aerospace manufacturer who is governed by the rules of the FAA and military. I get drug tested often enough as is, I don't need the hassle of increasing the frequency. That would actually interfere with me getting work done.
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Sadly, as a business I sell bits and pieces to the DOD (AKA the Department Of Defence) and they like their contractors to not only submit to regular background checks and also really like a clean piss test.

That being said, I feel your pain.

Nothing I would love more than a Fatty and a fresh baked batch of Chocolate Chip cookies!

Not an issue walking in for a pee test with mod in hand.

They really don't seem to care as long as I am abiding by the law.

But as I understand it, Ohio just may legalize the stuff, I even have more than one doctor wanting to proscribe for me.

But I can tell you one thing,

I will not be using my vape gear.

We don;t want that kind of trouble!
 
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There's one in every crowd ! You just have to believe that what goes around comes around and Karma will get the one who did it !
 
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UncleRJ said:
Sadly, as a business I sell bits and pieces to the DOD (AKA the Department Of Defence) and they like their contractors to not only submit to regular background checks and also really like a clean piss test.

That being said, I feel your pain.

Nothing I would love more than a Fatty and a fresh baked batch of Chocolate Chip cookies!

Not an issue walking in for a pee test with mod in hand.

They really don't seem to care as long as I am abiding by the law.

But as I understand it, Ohio just may legalize the stuff, I even have more than one doctor wanting to proscribe for me.

But I can tell you one thing,

I will not be using my vape gear.

We don;t want that kind of trouble!
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I feel ya RJ. I agree on all points! I gave up 25 years of daily natural plant based medicine when I took this job. I suffer from severe chronic pain due to being run over by a car that was doing 60 mph while stopped at a red light on a motorcycle. I lost my spleen, part of my liver, and have permanent trauma damage to every major joint in my body (ankles, knees, hips, shoulders, elbows, and wrists), plus golfball sized muscle knots on both sides of every vertebrae from L1-C7, then marble size knots to the base of the skull. Needless to say I don't move like I used too... lol Since taking this job, my prescribed pain killer intake has increased some. I hate pills and still only take 1/2 what I am supposed to, but when alternate medication was an option, I got by on 1 pill per day for over a decade.

For me state law won't cut it. Federal law will need to change, or I'll have to find another job. I get job offers all the time. Some even in excess of my current salary, but not by enough when you compare salary plus benefits. A great Blue Cross PPO, matching 401k, and stock options which are a year away from being fully vested are hard to find a match for. I would need to find a job willing to pay me 25k a year more to make it worth the move, or 10k more and comparable benefits.

Sorry if I crossed a boundary on this post Whiskey. I tried dancing around it the best I could. If so, please edit or delete, and chastise me... I mod another forum so I do try and be respectful of rules and not make extra work for the mods at the other forums I'm on.
 
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I feel ya RJ. I agree on all points! I gave up 25 years of daily natural plant based medicine when I took this job. I suffer from severe chronic pain due to being run over by a car that was doing 60 mph while stopped at a red light on a motorcycle. I lost my spleen, part of my liver, and have permanent trauma damage to every major joint in my body (ankles, knees, hips, shoulders, elbows, and wrists), plus golfball sized muscle knots on both sides of every vertebrae from L1-C7, then marble size knots to the base of the skull. Needless to say I don't move like I used too... lol Since taking this job, my prescribed pain killer intake has increased some. I hate pills and still only take 1/2 what I am supposed to, but when alternate medication was an option, I got by on 1 pill per day for over a decade.

For me state law won't cut it. Federal law will need to change, or I'll have to find another job. I get job offers all the time. Some even in excess of my current salary, but not by enough when you compare salary plus benefits. A great Blue Cross PPO, matching 401k, and stock options which are a year away from being fully vested are hard to find a match for. I would need to find a job willing to pay me 25k a year more to make it worth the move, or 10k more and comparable benefits.

Sorry if I crossed a boundary on this post Whiskey. I tried dancing around it the best I could. If so, please edit or delete, and chastise me... I mod another forum so I do try and be respectful of rules and not make extra work for the mods at the other forums I'm on.
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You need to see a massage therapist. Between spinal meningitis and crushing l2 and l3 in a motorcycle wreck and countless other wrecks, I was a mess a couple years after I quit racing bikes. I had a pinched nerve that almost cost me my left arm (I'm a lefty) and doctors said there wasn't much they could do... My girlfriend is a massage therapist and she patched me up pretty good. I still know I've put myself through the wringer, but my arm works again and I can do pretty much anything I want to. She also fixed up a friend that supposedly had a spinal disease since he was a kid, over 20 years on disability and now he is able to work for the first time in his adult life. Screw doctors, massage and holistic medicine is way better.
 
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