Starting a lawsuit against the FDA

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

I have heard that the only stupid question is one that is not asked. So my question is, is it possible to file a lawsuit against the FDA for the actions that they are taking against the vaping industry? It seems to me that what information that they are going to use to regulate the industry is and continues to be driven by out right lies that can be proven. It also seems like the FDA is a branch of big tobacco and pharmaceutical companies. But if anyone that had no dog in the fight could see the true information about what is being done and who would benefit most from the regulations that are coming they could see that these actions will have a negative effect on the people who the FDA is charged to protect never mind the businesses (not that they don't need protection from the FDA, because they do). So with that said, is it possible to do and or get an injunction to stop the destruction of an industry that has proven to help people who smoke quit and or reduce the harm that smoking cigarettes have caused? If so I am sure that we as a community could start a go fund me account to pay for the best lawyers money can buy!

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

I think the real issue is the cost of filing with a crack legal team. Granted because of it being a feddy agency they are immune from being sued.
But injunctions can be won against them. There was a win against them as in they needed to back off of import bans and seizing them, in 09 or 10.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

exodus said:
great idea,but the amount of money needed could never be raised ,the gooberment can pretty much make up laws to suit their needs and views

every drug on the market now that has fda approval cost the manufacturer 80+ million,fda wants their 80million to give the stamp of approval for vaping

I am not a lawyer for sure but I know that if certain conditions are met, the government will LET you do so. Again, being LET is the key word.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

exodus said:
great idea,but the amount of money needed could never be raised ,the gooberment can pretty much make up laws to suit their needs and views

every drug on the market now that has fda approval cost the manufacturer 80+ million,fda wants their 80million to give the stamp of approval for vaping

That is an old figure. Spoke to a buddy of mine who was a pharma rep and he was saying it is closer to a billion now.
The amount of corruption in the FDA is staggering to the point it makes Enron look like a fart blip on a radar screen. FDA approval board taking kick backs from the pharma companies then transition back and forth on and off the boards with profit sharing on the same Pharma companies.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

BigNasty said:
I think the real issue is the cost of filing with a crack legal team. Granted because of it being a feddy agency they are immune from being sued.
But injunctions can be won against them. There was a win against them as in they needed to back off of import bans and seizing them, in 09 or 10.

You are right about needing a crack legal team but as many of us that are in this pile of government shit, it would probably only take a donation of a couple of dollars from each (or more if you can) of us to pay for a dream team for the fight. I know casaa is doing what they can but seems we are reacting instead of taking a proactive approach. These calls to actions have had little effect where as a suit would at least get national attention.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

And here is the other rub that stings worse than salt in road rash.
A lot of money has been funneled and worse stolen with the same hands out for more under different guises.
After the first few you get leery of dumping cash into a well.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

BigNasty said:
And here is the other rub that stings worse than salt in road rash.
A lot of money has been funneled and worse stolen with the same hands out for more under different guises.
After the first few you get leery of dumping cash into a well.

Damn, why don't you just come over here with a gallon of gas and a match, set me on fire so you can put me out...lol. I agree with your point but I would be willing to put some money in a go fund me account to take the task. If we do nothing but sit here and vape the last bit of juice we have as we lay down for the steamroller, we will get what we deserve for doing nothing.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

exodus said:
you have more faith in casaa then i ever did and most likely ever will,from what i have seen their approach is "mealy mouth passive oh i am so sorry for providing you with these studies and results " as they turn and tuck their tails running out of the building

I agree with you 100%, in my OP I stated as much. That's why we need a different approach.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

j1969n said:
Damn, why don't you just come over here with a gallon of gas and a match, set me on fire so you can put me out...lol. I agree with your point but I would be willing to put some money in a go fund me account to take the task. If we do nothing but sit here and vape the last bit of juice we have as we lay down for the steamroller, we will get what we deserve for doing nothing.

Would rather bring over something more potent and brain storm IMHO.
With tons of new people getting into vaping I see traps a bunch fall into and get suckered into over and over again.

I would LOVE to have a fire pisser lawyer locking horns with the FDA. I would donate directly.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

BigNasty said:
Would rather bring over something more potent and brain storm IMHO.
With tons of new people getting into vaping I see traps a bunch fall into and get suckered into over and over again.

I would LOVE to have a fire pisser lawyer locking horns with the FDA. I would donate directly.

Yes I definitely am starting to like you.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

j1969n said:
Yes I definitely am starting to like you.

I blame adult onset NGAF. somewhere along the lines something got fouled up and crossed, rose colored naivety glasses got broke and slanted my outlook.

Oh and hitting 40... I went into full on old man get off my lawn.

Dr3d · Jul 21, 2015

What we need is someone who can identify the lawyer to lead the battle. I don't know, but if a team won an injunction in 09, that's someplace to start.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

Dr3d said:
What we need is someone who can identify the lawyer to lead the battle. I don't know, but if a team won an injunction in 09, that's someplace to start.

I think it was Njoy at the time that got tired of seeing their stuff get stolen buy uncle sugar.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

For everyone, I just did a quick search of lawyers that have sued the FDA and ran across an article that stated some ABC company has hired one of the nation's top lawyer for some crap. I searched for the number and will be calling in the morning to get some basic information and see if this crazy idea can be brought to life. Cross your fingers and toes my vape friends. If it sounds like something that can get a go, I will set up a go fund me account and if we can't get the money up at least you can get it back!

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

I am a member of CASAA but I don't think that what is being done is getting it done. We should have had a plan B long ago.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

I would rather see the FDA and few other government agencies burned to cinders and ash. But that is just me.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

BigNasty said:
Oh and hitting 40... I went into full on old man get off my lawn.

I feel the same way except laying down at 46 except for fun is nothing I want to do, lets fight.... Or let them fight and I will lay down for the fun.

j1969n · Jul 21, 2015

BigNasty said:
I would rather see the FDA and few other government agencies burned to cinders and ash. But that is just me.

Damn skippy, I am starting to get a stiffie. Keep talking dirty to me!

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

j1969n said:
I feel the same way except laying down at 46 except for fun is nothing I want to do, lets fight.... Or let them fight and I will lay down for the fun.

I am so ashamed of our government at the moment. So much distasteful shit,and frankly I am tired of getting fed shit sammichs and told to enjoy and savior the taste.

BigNasty · Jul 21, 2015

exodus said:
my personal favorite is,load up a bunch of vets on D9 cats and send them towards washington dc !!

hate to see the white house go,but sacrifices need to be made

Pretty sure the admin is shitting knickers over Vets guarding recruiting stations with fire power denied our service members.

Dr3d · Jul 21, 2015

j1969n said:
If it sounds like something that can get a go, I will set up a go fund me account and if we can't get the money up at least you can get it back!

The right legal team will be of assistance in generating the funding. It may not require going as far as a gofundme campaign. This is where I admit that I really don't have a good handle on exactly who is and what for. But, I do know that the team that wins this battle and hands it to the FDA will be wealthy soon enough.

j1969n · Jul 22, 2015

I called and talked to someone who told me that since I am in Alabama and they were a firm in New York that it would be better to try to get a local firm involved first and if the local firm needed extra resources that they would make a call as such. I don't think that they took me serious to be truthful. I don't guess its evey day they get hillbillys calling wanting to start a lawsuit against the FDA. I am probably not the best person to whom an attorney would get the message across as to why they should do something as such.....

conanthewarrior · Jul 22, 2015

I hope to make a nice collection before vaping gets regulated here in the UK. With enough devices, and a little bit of tech Know how, I should be able to get the mods I buy to last a very long time. If they ever did get regulated over here, some days the Doctors say they are the best thing since slice bread the next they are saying the dangers of them.

All I know is they genuinely get you off the stinkies. Problem is now I am addicted to the tech side of it lol! All good though, I would rather vape heavily than smoke 20 a day like I did, plus I don't smell like an Ashtray.

zaroba · Jul 22, 2015

A lawsuit against the FDA could be done. But it would not be easy.
Need to assemble a group that can support vapors and raise funds to cover the costs and expenses of the suit.

It is actually possible and a prime example of this is the current ongoing lawsuit taking place in the reptile keeping community.
The United States Association of Reptile Keepers is a non-profit organization that was established to help protect the rights of reptile keepers in the US. For well over a year now they have been in a legal battle with the US Fish and Wildlife Service since filing a lawsuit protesting the rampant banning of reptiles based off of false statistics and scare tactics because of the detrimental impact it would have on keepers, breeders, and retailers.

Much like what is on the verge of happening in the vaping community.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

conanthewarrior said:
I hope to make a nice collection before vaping gets regulated here in the UK. With enough devices, and a little bit of tech Know how, I should be able to get the mods I buy to last a very long time. If they ever did get regulated over here, some days the Doctors say they are the best thing since slice bread the next they are saying the dangers of them.

All I know is they genuinely get you off the stinkies. Problem is now I am addicted to the tech side of it lol! All good though, I would rather vape heavily than smoke 20 a day like I did, plus I don't smell like an Ashtray.

I throw my whole weight against Idiots that think Vaping is harmful. I smoked 43 years, have a feeling I won't die from Vaping. (I'm going for sex) so they can see who fills their pockets the most, & go from there. Study this, I have enough VG & PG & other goodies to last me forever. at 60 I think 15 years is enough. Ban all you want, just like the Volstead act. Not gonna work. VG & PG go into food. Ban Food. Rest my case.

conanthewarrior · Jul 22, 2015

Saddletramp1200 said:
I throw my whole weight against Idiots that think Vaping is harmful. I smoked 43 years, have a feeling I won't die from Vaping. (I'm going for sex) so they can see who fills their pockets the most, & go from there. Study this, I have enough VG & PG & other goodies to last me forever. at 60 I think 15 years is enough. Ban all you want, just like the Volstead act. Not gonna work. VG & PG go into food. Ban Food. Rest my case.

I agree with you, I am in the camp that thinks vaping is not harmful, because , well, it isn't. You may get a few carcinogens from a dry hit, but that is user error. I compare it to going for a walk in thick fog. If you have done that, you have basically vaped.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

conanthewarrior said:
I agree with you, I am in the camp that thinks vaping is not harmful, because , well, it isn't. You may get a few carcinogens from a dry hit, but that is user error. I compare it to going for a walk in thick fog. If you have done that, you have basically vaped.

Thanks. Unlike some I paid attention in class. Heat has to be ludicrous to change a materials properties. Humans can die from Oxygen if they get too much. I talked to a renowned person about vaping. Person said, your going to die, but not from inhaling VG,PG, & Nicotine in small amounts.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

I'm just tired of money grubbing parasites using their Diploma to try to Bullshit other less informed people into believing something is bad when there is not one nano bit of evidence to back it up. I have a Degree or so myself & say to them. Talk into your right hand, put your Left hand under your ass, & see which one fills up first.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

BigNasty said:
I am so ashamed of our government at the moment. So much distasteful shit,and frankly I am tired of getting fed shit sammichs and told to enjoy and savior the taste.

Don't hardly say anything about this, because it causes fights. Politcos. As an American, I hang my head at how this country is being run. Those that whine the loudest is right, & other things I won't even discuss. I'm truly sad.

Steamin Demon · Jul 22, 2015

Outlaw vaping? Why not, I mean prohibition worked out so well for the U.S.
Let's face it, our government knows what's best for us!
I'm sure if they back off they will still find a way to tax us into submission!

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

Steamin Demon said:
Outlaw vaping? Why not, I mean prohibition worked out so well for the U.S.
Let's face it, our government knows what's best for us!
I'm sure if they back off they will still find a way to tax us into submission!

They take almost a third of my retirement, They have never even met me. Some place someone has a new blanket for their Burro. Or Camel, or whatever. Tax me to death, I'm used to it.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 22, 2015

Why I never think about politics. Give me a stroke from being way too pissed off. I have worn a Tux once in my life. I didn't like it. A T Shirt & my ol' Hog is more suited to me. Don't squirm in my sleep. Politics are not my dream.

conanthewarrior · Jul 23, 2015

Saddletramp1200 said:
Thanks. Unlike some I paid attention in class. Heat has to be ludicrous to change a materials properties. Humans can die from Oxygen if they get too much. I talked to a renowned person about vaping. Person said, your going to die, but not from inhaling VG,PG, & Nicotine in small amounts.

My nan, during one of her strokes, was given too much oxygen of some sort. We wondered what had happened as we was following a speeding ambulance with lights on, for them then to stop, the driver get out, and get in the back aswell.

We thought she had died and did not know what was going on. Turns out some pleb had put it at the wrong pressure or something,making her go downhill fast. That was soon sorted by the other paramedic. This Lead to her stating after a heart attack 'she was allergic to oxygen" which made the ambulance staff laugh, but once we explained they said ooh thats very odd, but I know my nan who I grew up with (R.I.P wherever you are, time flys well be together one day soon with the rest of the family, and even the dogs) did have a bad reaction to pure oxygen after a stroke, so I know what saddletramp is saying I know first person to be true.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

Thanks. I'm no expert in many things, but I am in a very few things. "Love is like oxygen, too much you get too high, not enough and your gonna die" (from a song that I can't remember the artists) Old age sucks.

Markw4mms · Jul 23, 2015

Saddletramp1200 said:
Thanks. I'm no expert in many things, but I am in a very few things. "Love is like oxygen, too much you get too high, not enough and your gonna die" (from a song that I can't remember the artists) Old age sucks.

Song was done by Sweet.

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Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

You are correct Sir. I started the day out with Third rate romance, & wound up singing He sang Dixie, by Dwight Yoakum. Going to be an interesting day, I can tell already.

Markw4mms · Jul 23, 2015

Saddletramp1200 said:
You are correct Sir. I started the day out with Third rate romance, & wound up singing He sang Dixie, by Dwight Yoakum. Going to be an interesting day, I can tell already.

Sounds like it!

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

Got 12 cold Beers, the Dogs are fed, & I haven't woken up the neighbors yet.

conanthewarrior · Jul 23, 2015

Markw4mms said:
Song was done by Sweet.

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I am going to have a listen.

I like that lyric. I write lyrics as I used to MC in my teens, and studied music at college. I don't so much now, as I play real instruments and like metal lol, but still like some old grime and hip hop. Only a few select tracks though, the rest is crap talking about guns, women and Money. There is a couple of real MC's that talk real life issues, I like them.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

I don't do Opera, or Disco. I tolerate the rest.

Markw4mms · Jul 23, 2015

Saddletramp1200 said:
Got 12 cold Beers, the Dogs are fed, & I haven't woken up the neighbors yet.

Damn, you doing good, Bro!

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

I forgot the turn the Bass amp on. "Hey he's gonna sit by you, another one rides the Bus" Weird Al, strange man.

Saddletramp1200 · Jul 23, 2015

Being retired is screwed up. 1/2 my mind is telling me I have to do something, the other 1/2 knows I don't. The Human brain is scary.

You have to slow down enough to listen to it.

BigNasty · Jul 23, 2015

conanthewarrior said:
I am going to have a listen.

I like that lyric. I write lyrics as I used to MC in my teens, and studied music at college. I don't so much now, as I play real instruments and like metal lol, but still like some old grime and hip hop. Only a few select tracks though, the rest is crap talking about guns, women and Money. There is a couple of real MC's that talk real life issues, I like them.

Life without bitches, duckets and gats is boring.
How else are you going to prevent people from taking your bitch or your money without firepower?

conanthewarrior · Jul 23, 2015

BigNasty said:
Life without bitches, duckets and gats is boring.
How else are you going to prevent people from taking your bitch or your money without firepower?

Unfortunately here in England with a good old fist fight. Can't blow no one away here, unless its with the shotgun. They are easy to get licensed for, but handguns are almost impossible to get issued now since the dunblane massacre in 1996.

BigNasty · Jul 23, 2015

conanthewarrior said:
Unfortunately here in England with a good old fist fight. Can't blow no one away here, unless its with the shotgun. They are easy to get licensed for, but handguns are almost impossible to get issued now since the dunblane massacre in 1996.

That is why yours says REPLICA down the side and mine says .50 caliber Desert Eagle.

conanthewarrior · Jul 23, 2015

BigNasty said:
That is why yours says REPLICA down the side and mine says .50 caliber Desert Eagle.

It would be a replica, , but we never have really been close to guns like the Americans, so we don't really miss much. Just can't own handguns, if you want to kill someone you could still use your shotgun as they are super easy to get the license for, unless you get a handgun illegally ( Just like drugs are illegal, handguns do still exist in the UK and aren't too hard to get if you know the right people.)

BigNasty · Jul 23, 2015

conanthewarrior said:
It would be a replica, , but we never have really been close to guns like the Americans, so we don't really miss much. Just can't own handguns, if you want to kill someone you could still use your shotgun as they are super easy to get the license for, unless you get a handgun illegally ( Just like drugs are illegal, handguns do still exist in the UK and aren't too hard to get if you know the right people.)

It was from Snatch.

conanthewarrior · Jul 23, 2015

BigNasty said:
It was from Snatch.

Ahh, I am not familiar with the film lol, sorry about that I wasn't sure what you was getting at, now I know its a movie quote I get you

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j1969n · Jul 24, 2015

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