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Pitbullgrin

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So i got my buddy hooked on vaping. He bought a ipv3li and a snow wolf. I told him to get a Kanger tank till he can build coils. He vapes 0 nic and is a cloud chaser.
My question is what coils are good for high watt devices. I tried to explain to him that the watts need to fit the coil but he doesnt get that yet. Ive been trying to fing a coil the works at high watts without drying the wick to fast. Ive tried traditional 26gk coils, parallel 26g/twisted26g coils, twisted 26gk coils, high ohms and low ohms, 22g coils, everything fires up too hot and dries the wick?
 

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Could be a few things causing the problem. Hard to say without more info.

Is he using a tank system or an RDA? Either way, what make and model? What wicking material is being used and what's the typical diameter for these coils? What kind of resistance range are we looking at here and what is the wattage they're being run at? Pictures would help, too.

Are we talking dry hits before the wicks actually dry-out (wicking not keeping up?) Or are we talking about going through juice too quickly? Generally, with the amount of power and surface area for a typical vapor-oriented setup, the latter is a given.

Simple answer is that if the build is too hot, either turn the power down or wrap a bigger coil with more metal in it and keep the power at the same level.
 

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That's a hard one without more specific info...
Im currently running a dual 24g build in the Dark Horse RDA ...it's 7 wraps of 24g nichrome on a 3mm bit coming in at .25 ohms..using organic cotton wicks it blows good thick clouds on my IPV3 at 65-70w or so...
..having a little fun fogging up my room under the blacklight ..lol
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I like running various subtanks too when I'm too lazy to drip...good luck and vape safe

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Pitbullgrin

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He is using a atty3 RDA/Snowwolf. Organic cotton. I tried 2mm and 3mm. The issue is dry hits due to vaping available juice on cotton before finishing the hit, like 1-2 seconds in. I want to build him a coil for 150-200watts. The resistance is the variable im trying to fit for his demand for watting at 200.
as far as a bigger coil with more metal. are we talking 24g/22g. and isnt the bigger coil with more metal going to drive my ohms donw and get the coil hotter faster?
 

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would something like dual 24g ID4mm 10 wraps at 200w theoretically work?
 

smacksy

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He is using a atty3 RDA/Snowwolf. Organic cotton. I tried 2mm and 3mm. The issue is dry hits due to vaping available juice on cotton before finishing the hit, like 1-2 seconds in. I want to build him a coil for 150-200watts. The resistance is the variable im trying to fit for his demand for watting at 200.
as far as a bigger coil with more metal. are we talking 24g/22g. and isnt the bigger coil with more metal going to drive my ohms donw and get the coil hotter faster?
Can't help you there bud..don't know anybody that vapes at 150-200w either
No need for that really and still get huge thick clouds under 80w...anything else has proven way too hot, for me anyway..good luck!

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would something like dual 24g ID4mm 10 wraps at 200w theoretically work?
Yes it would, I'm a little concerned here because vaping at such high watts and temps tends to produce a lot of nasties when you vaporize ejuice. The cloud comp's I have seen never went above 120watts. Perhaps it's just me being a bit on the cautious side, but if you are going to use 200W to cloud bust with, you will need to build as low as the device can handle. 200W is a LOT of power.
 

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Yes it would, I'm a little concerned here because vaping at such high watts and temps tends to produce a lot of nasties when you vaporize ejuice. The cloud comp's I have seen never went above 120watts. Perhaps it's just me being a bit on the cautious side, but if you are going to use 200W to cloud bust with, you will need to build as low as the device can handle. 200W is a LOT of power.
i dont like nasties!
 

Pitbullgrin

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i should know better to fall into this marketing trap ......but then why produce machines to give so much power?
 

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I think those high watt devices are just for astetics. In this industry the higher the watts the cooler it is apparently....no one I know of goes that high in wattages. So I wouldn't approve of that at all.
 

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I suppose it's a saftey margin..if the chip handle 200w it won't be stressed at lower wattages ...long life too, as its probly a selling point having all that power available...even if we don't use it all...lol

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I was just going to edit that in lol
 

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I suppose it's a saftey margin..if the chip handle 200w it won't be stressed at lower wattages ...long life too, as its probly a selling point having all that power available...even if we don't use it all...lol

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This is kind of what I was going to point out. Just because someone has a 200w mod, doesn't necessarily mean they have to vape @ 200w... Hell, my car will do 130+ mph but I (almost) never drive it that fast..

They do the same thing with the batteries. They might put 200w worth of battery power in a mod that will only do 60-100w. Main reason behind this is if you decide to vape at the higher end of that range, you have some head room so you won't have to recharge between drips. Also it's a bit of a safety net as mentioned above.
 

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as far as a bigger coil with more metal. are we talking 24g/22g. and isnt the bigger coil with more metal going to drive my ohms donw and get the coil hotter faster?
I was thinking just add a wrap or two, but either way, no. Bringing the resistance down doesn't necessarily mean that the coil will heat up faster. This is only true if you take metal OUT of the coil to bring the resistance down. Say you were to take a wrap out of a build without changing anything else... ...that would bring the ohms down AND decrease the ramp-up. You could also go up in gauge and leave everything else the same to get a coil that has more resistance, but still heats up quicker. A 24g @ 2.5mm and 7 wraps will not heat up as quickly as a 28g @ 2.5mm and 7 wraps, even though the latter has a higher resistance.

If you add more metal, but the power level is the same, then the coil will always heat up slower. Whether you add a wrap or use thicker wire, it's the same amount of power heating up more metal. A fatter coil retains more heat, but takes longer to heat up. For example, at 100w for both, a dual 22g at .2 will heat up slower than a dual 26 at .3, but the 22g will get hotter overall. Even if you want to go by resistance and assume the same voltage is going to both (as it would on a mech), a dual 22g at .2 will still heat up slower than a dual 26g at .2, even though they both produce the same wattage because although 22g is more conductive than 26g, inch for inch, it also thus requires more length to hit the same resistance.

This is also why single coils heat up faster than duals and duals heat up faster than quads. A .2 single has half as much metal for the current to move across as a .2 dual. Hope that makes sense. I'm starting to go in circles, now.

The whole concept of decreasing ohms to speed up a coil is something that mech-users have to utilize because when you're using a mech, your voltage is fixed, so the resistance determines how much wattage you get. You have to strike a balance between resistance and surface area in order to get optimal performance at a fixed power level. With a regulated box, this approach is counterintuitive because you can adjust wattage to taste after the fact, resistance be damned.
 
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Pitbullgrin

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Thanks for that. Iv'e been vaping for a couple of months and have gained a lot of knowledge but im a tinkerer and needing the "wrap" my brain around stuff like that drives me crazy. Great explaination!
 

robot zombie

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Thanks for that. Iv'e been vaping for a couple of months and have gained a lot of knowledge but im a tinkerer and needing the "wrap" my brain around stuff like that drives me crazy. Great explaination!
Sall good, keep tinkering and stuff like this will start to click. It takes some time to get from an intellectual understanding of the mechanics behind the vapor to having the intuition to simply know what you want and how to make it happen without really thinking too much about it. The best way to get there is to learn by doing. Vape on!
 

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Ive seen a few people using 20 g dual coils with 10 wraps on 26650 size rda's and trowing a ton of power to it.. was mostly stacked 26650 mods that ive seen though.. they were saying it was like 300 watts or more that they were pushing.. I just got a snow wolf last night so I may tinker in some crazy builds soon..

Also I made a coil (forgot the name) using 10 strands of 32 wrapped in a 32 g like a clapten.. it was a single coil as and I believe 3mm wide.. tough to fit in the rda's I have but made it work.. needed at least 120 watts it seemed and would take 150 butt was definitely a warm vape.. good luck on your building!
 

Slurp812

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Well, you need thick coil to take the power. Resistance isn't a big issue with a regulated mod. But thicker wire will be low anyway. Sounds like a wicking issue. I'm a low watt vaper compared to most here, so I cant say for sure, but he would do better with a big ass dripper.
 

Slurp812

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Ive seen a few people using 20 g dual coils with 10 wraps on 26650 size rda's and trowing a ton of power to it.. was mostly stacked 26650 mods that ive seen though.. they were saying it was like 300 watts or more that they were pushing.. I just got a snow wolf last night so I may tinker in some crazy builds soon..

Realistically I don't think any 26650 can put out that much. Maybe 2? I am sure its lots, and the whole thing gets hot.
 

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Ya, was talking about 2 of them stacked to get double the voltage
 

Swerved

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Whats next, kilowatts??? LOL!

Someone will do it eventually... lol

Personally, my biggest mod is 100w, and that's only because I like playing around with gaudy builds from time to time. I'm sure I'll get a bigger one; I'm a tech junkie and love gadgets. Most of my coils that get the majority of usage are designed generally in the 40-60w range at most. I mean sure, who doesn't like a clapton made from a 2/0 wire wrapped with 4 gauge hooked to a 200kw rectifier? I'm an enthusiast as much as the next guy, but that sort of thing just ain't my gig.
 

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They produce mods that handle these high watts for the crazy builds people are coming up with. You might have tried a clapton coil, imagine 5x26g claptoned with 40gg(cat track style) run parallel with a 24g....that's a ton of metal to heat up. Everything but the new DNA200's will only go up to about 150 watts before they start pulsing power to stay within safe limits of your batteries (excluding the few 3x18650 mods). If you're getting dry hits you need to increase your inner diameter of your coils so that your wick can hold enough juice to keep up with the high heat. 3mm-4mm ID usually does good for me. Plug your coils into steamengine and see what the heat flux is at your desired watts. 3-4mm ID will cover me for up to 500mw/mm² on longer than 4 second pulls. Good airflow is a must too.
 

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